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Force Awakens Trailer 3
« on: October 19, 2015, 11:08:15 pm »
Thoughts?  I feel a bit better about it then I did after the last one. Still trying to temper my enthusiasm.

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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2015, 11:40:43 pm »
Thoughts?  I feel a bit better about it then I did after the last one. Still trying to temper my enthusiasm.

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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2015, 12:01:46 am »
I have to admit the xwing tie fighter battle was unbelievable.

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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2015, 11:31:35 am »
Holy Sh#T, They got Carrie Fisher to look like Princess Leia again!

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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2015, 11:42:34 am »
It's coming out in a few weeks.... stay spoiler free, brothers, it's not that long.....


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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2015, 12:04:35 pm »
Still trying to temper my enthusiasm.

Yep. The trailer looks great, but I was excited in '99, too.  :angry:


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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2015, 12:09:50 pm »
It's like I told my buddy last night, I have to keep myself in check.

I simply cannot have a repeat of the fiasco that was Episode I.

I was so geeked for that, and showed up for a childhood obliterating gut punch.  I watched it again, hoping that it was just me and that I really missed the genius the first time around.  Nope, still terrible.  Never in my life had I been so disappointed.  Not even when John Elway destroyed my dreams obliterating my Falcons in their only Super Bowl appearance.


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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2015, 12:16:11 pm »
It's like I told my buddy last night, I have to keep myself in check.

I simply cannot have a repeat of the fiasco that was Episode I.

I was so geeked for that, and showed up for a childhood obliterating gut punch.  I watched it again, hoping that it was just me and that I really missed the genius the first time around.  Nope, still terrible.  Never in my life had I been so disappointed.  Not even when John Elway destroyed my dreams obliterating my Falcons in their only Super Bowl appearance.
Well, your safety getting pinched the night before the game for solicitation didn't help.

I know that I'm in the minority but I enjoyed eps I, II, and III.  Not saying that they're masterpieces but I still watch them from time to time.

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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2015, 12:20:17 pm »
It's like I told my buddy last night, I have to keep myself in check.

I simply cannot have a repeat of the fiasco that was Episode I.

I was so geeked for that, and showed up for a childhood obliterating gut punch.  I watched it again, hoping that it was just me and that I really missed the genius the first time around.  Nope, still terrible.  Never in my life had I been so disappointed.  Not even when John Elway destroyed my dreams obliterating my Falcons in their only Super Bowl appearance.
I know that I'm in the minority but I enjoyed eps I, II, and III.  Not saying that they're masterpieces but I still watch them from time to time.

Add me to that list Hoopz.

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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2015, 12:29:40 pm »
I liked I, II, & III as well. IV, V, & VI weren't exactly Shakespeare  either.
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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2015, 12:31:30 pm »
I liked I, II, & III as well. IV, V, & VI weren't exactly Shakespeare  either.
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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2015, 12:33:39 pm »
Truth be told, I didn't know I was supposed to hate the Ewoks as being "too cute" until the Internet told me so a few years ago.
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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2015, 12:36:58 pm »
Nice to be 45 years old so that when I watch ROTJ, I'll end up having to go pee 2 or 3 times during the movie. That happens when Wicket is on screen. 

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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2015, 12:43:47 pm »
Aww, come one. Ewoks are the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.  8) Sure they were cute, but they eat humans and would have no problem knifing somebody in the back.  My biggest beef with the whole special editions was removing the "Yub Nub" song at the end. Of course, the ewok theorum comes into play here, cuz I'm in my 30's




It's coming out in a few weeks.... stay spoiler free, brothers, it's not that long.....



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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2015, 12:47:30 pm »
yeah I mean sure, there are elements of the prequels that are entertaining.

Light Sabre Battles, some of the clone wars battles, but so much more unforgivable crap.

Stupid allegory for NASCAR and Drugs making it's way into the scripts, Midichlorians, Jake Lloyd, Jar Jar, horrible dialogue and unbelievable romance between Anakin and Padme, Every freaking shot CGI totally abandoning almost all practical effects, dumbing down to the point of almost no subtitles and giving the aliens ridiculous racist accents.....

The list goes on....

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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2015, 12:48:05 pm »
Truth be told, I didn't know I was supposed to hate the Ewoks as being "too cute" until the Internet told me so a few years ago.

I was 9...I flipping LOVED the Ewoks...still don't hate em...but I see the point. That said, The best part of ROTJ is watching Ewoks take out AT-ST walkers.  :lol

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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2015, 01:13:22 pm »
Truth be told, I didn't know I was supposed to hate the Ewoks as being "too cute" until the Internet told me so a few years ago.

I was 9...I flipping LOVED the Ewoks...still don't hate em...but I see the point. That said, The best part of ROTJ is watching Ewoks take out AT-ST walkers.  :lol
Agreed.. I can't say I LOVED them, but I enjoyed the movie back then.  I might have even choked up a little when the one ewok didn't get back up..  It's really only in retrospect that I dislike them.  The original idea to be Wookies on Kashyyyk would have been cooler, but what the heck, it is what it is.  I haven't watched the remade version with the new Anakin at the end, I still have it on VHS in it's original format as well as after the first remake.

On the other hand, the prequels sucked.  I could forgive just about all of it except two things: horrible dialogue (almost unbearable to watch) and a complete departure from the "Official Lucasfilm Authorized" story line that was quite good.  I can understand minor deviations, but deciding to completely rewrite everything that has been published just because of his massive ego, even when his ideas were so clearly inferior.. that is what killed it for me.

You could say just two factors isn't too bad, but I enjoy movies for 3 reasons:
1) special effects.  Come on, it isn't the story that made Star Wars what it is today.  Back then the only way to see what Lucas' team did was to read a book and have a good dream about it.  Today, not so much, but I still see movies as much for the sights and sounds as for the story or anything else. 
2) The story.  When it comes to sequels, it's all about bringing the elements back around to complete the story. 
3) The acting and dialogue.  Face it, even a crappy subject can be great when the actor is good, the dialogue is engaging, and the director can put it together in a way that makes you FEEL.

You can have any one of them be crap if the others are good and still have a decent movie (or even a record breaker).  But when 2 out of 3 are complete crap, not even as good as a B movie at 2 am, even the best special effects in the world can't really make it worthwhile.  I saw Star Wars twice a week for two months when it came out in the theaters (had summer movie tickets and snuck in to Star Wars every time).  I saw the prequels once in the theater each.  I tried to watch each a second time at home, just couldn't make it through them without getting irritated at the awkward dialogue and terrible acting or at least falling asleep.  They just don't have too much in the way of redeeming factors.

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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2015, 01:13:47 pm »
Truth be told, I didn't know I was supposed to hate the Ewoks as being "too cute" until the Internet told me so a few years ago.

I was 9...I flipping LOVED the Ewoks...still don't hate em...but I see the point. That said, The best part of ROTJ is watching Ewoks take out AT-ST walkers. 
Same here. I know the Ewoks were intended for 10 year old me to enjoy, which I did.
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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2015, 01:21:17 pm »
I also loved gizmo from Gremlins and Alf. Dopey fuzzy critters were cool then. :dunno

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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2015, 01:26:15 pm »
Psst: Jar-Jar wasn't created for any of us...
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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2015, 01:43:34 pm »
Psst: Jar-Jar wasn't created for any of us...
I'd bet a few members here were pretty young when Ep I came out.  They'd be in their early 20s now....

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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2015, 01:44:36 pm »
Fine he's for kids, no reason to give him the voice of a mammy jackelope.....

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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2015, 02:07:01 pm »
Fine he's for kids, no reason to give him the voice of a mammy jackelope.....
Meesa think yousa thinking about it too much... 
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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2015, 02:14:08 pm »
Fine he's for kids, no reason to give him the voice of a mammy jackelope.....
Meesa think yousa thinking about it too much...
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2015, 02:38:01 pm »
Psst: Jar-Jar wasn't created for any of us...
I'd bet a few members here were pretty young when Ep I came out.  They'd be in their early 20s now....

I know several people in their 20's that loved/prefer EP1-3.

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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2015, 02:38:51 pm »
Psst: Jar-Jar wasn't created for any of us...
I'd bet a few members here were pretty young when Ep I came out.  They'd be in their early 20s now....

I know several people in their 20's that loved/prefer EP1-3.
Same here.
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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2015, 04:16:07 pm »
1-3 were crap because... cgi.  Literally that's it.  The ONLY thing the Star Wars franchise EVER had going for it were great character designs and impressive special effects.  I-III couldn't even get that right.  Don't complain about the bad story and giant plot holes unless you complain about the original trilogy as well, because they had the same problems. 

Seeing as how these new films seem to be cgi laden they are assuredly going to be crap as well.  Yes, yes I know JJ has assured us that he was going to rely on practical effects and yet.... look at that trailer. 

The characters are as generic and cliché as you can get this time around.... disgruntled ex bad guy that will assuredly end up having a heart of gold, space junk scavenger and "wise old sage" that assures them that the legends are not just legends.  Oh and the bad guy is a vader fanboy who obsessively collects all things sith.  LOL Lucas wrote his fans into the script. 


It's Star Wars and the plagues of Hollywood Lucas and Abrams are at the helm.  The only way it could be more doomed is if Michael Bay were somehow involved.  So expect utter crap and be pleasantly surprised if we get anything better than utter crap. 

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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2015, 04:34:06 pm »
So expect utter crap and be pleasantly surprised if we get anything better than utter crap.
I'm not so fast to judge. While I didn't "hate" EP 1-3 they didn't come anywhere close to having the charm of the original trilogy. Plot holes included.

Bottom line, no matter how much I "didn't love" the prequels, there were a few redeeming moments in each that felt..."Star Wars". (most of the parts without Jar Jar and adolescent Anakin)

And those moments are worth being excited for this movie.

Animated effects can be ok(even CGI)...I loved the first two (original) Cartoon Network "Clone Wars" seasons. Those felt like Star Wars too.

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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2015, 04:42:42 pm »
A comment I read after watching the trailer:

"It's interesting that the next generation of people living in this universe don’t actually know what happened 30 years ago."

EDIT: Then again, I suppose you could say this is also true for kids playing on arcades today. ;)
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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2015, 04:53:26 pm »
Here is what I wrote on another forum

I'm less hyped as they leak more. This movie will print money, they didn't have to leak any of the plot or subtext or twists. Or anything! But omigosh, imagine day 2 numbers! Everything that we knew, what if it was a surprise. Ass holes if you ask me. Ruined it. I mean, I'll go, I'll eat popcorn, I might even enjoy myself. But it would have been so much better if they hadn't spoiled anything. This is boring hype. If afterwards, they hadn't leaked anything, that would have been hype.

Ass holes.

I actually don't think I am going to like this.

All things considered:
The new droid is a toy.
Black Stormtrooper, meh. Which Fet is that? Who cares now.
Women Stormtrooper? Must need the force to be a woman in combat. So she is force sensitive? What the hell, is that a thing? So she might be a jedi? or sith? Meh.

By Vader's Ghost! Is that a lightsaber with a lightsaber hilt? Blech
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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2015, 05:14:34 pm »
So...full disclosure. The thing I like least from the new trailers is lightsabers with lightsaber cross guards. (That is just trying too hard to be cool, and failing)

To me it doesn't fit.




Other than that I'm sure the story is corny and the acting will suck but I'm in it for blasters and space dogfights.

Um...I suppose their is one more thing. Am I the only one who thinks that a droid that has its head(CPU/sensors?) floating above its body is a bad design?

Edited for clarification
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« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2015, 05:56:46 pm »
Other than crap that was caused by the prequels, the only criticism of the original trilogy that I view as fair is a sign of the times it was filmed during.

And that is the fact that Leia didn't attempt to transmit via email or whatever such media was available the plans to the Death Star. And the fact that she seems to have a short memory after watching her entire homeworld blown up.

Almost every other plot hole in the original trilogy is the fault of the prequels.

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« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2015, 07:26:55 pm »
Meh, people can pick apart all the movies and ---smurfette---.  I get it.  I just enjoy them for what they are.  Saw the first one when I was 7 when it was released.  Hooked from the moment Darth Vader appeared on the screen.  None will when any acting/directing/writing awards but a good story even with holes is fine with me in the Star Wars universe.

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« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2015, 08:36:18 pm »
1-3 were crap because... cgi.  Literally that's it.  The ONLY thing the Star Wars franchise EVER had going for it were great character designs and impressive special effects.  I-III couldn't even get that right.  Don't complain about the bad story and giant plot holes unless you complain about the original trilogy as well, because they had the same problems.

The originals didn't just have good character designs, they also had good character arcs.  That's one reason the original series has held up, despite Lucas's repeated attempts to destroy it. 

Episode I-III were completely lacking in the character department, which ruined those films far worse than CGI ever could.
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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2015, 08:40:02 pm »
Here here.

You genuinely felt for Luke.

You were so happy Han came around.

Leia, well she came with slave garb



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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2015, 09:40:11 am »
I finally broke down and watched it last night.  It looks terrible.  I'm really apprehensive about this now.


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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2015, 10:02:41 am »
I get a text from a friend yesterday asking which movie showtime on December 19th works better for me.
WTF?  This is actually that big of a deal to some people?
I guess that gives me time to watch the last 3 which I haven't seen.

Hell, I was flipping through channels a couple years ago and came across The Empire Strikes Back being played on network TV.
After a bit I realized that I had never seen it.   I just assumed I had as a kid because everyone has seen it.


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« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2015, 11:36:39 am »
I finally broke down and watched it last night.  It looks terrible.  I'm really apprehensive about this now.

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« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2015, 01:09:53 pm »
Hoopz put me on the list of those who liked the prequels. I'll never get the disdain some people have for them, while not earth shattering they're still perfectly good films.

It's unrealistic to think you'll ever recapture the wonder of experiencing the originals, especially considering the age most of us saw them at.

The new trailers look great to me, I'm stoked for the release. Seems to be a grittier edge brought back back to the franchise and more of a balance between practical effects and CGI.
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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2015, 01:20:45 pm »
So...full disclosure. The thing I like least from the new trailers is lightsabers with lightsaber cross guards. (That is just trying too hard to be cool, and failing)

It's not cool. Suspension of disbelief...blown.

So the most unbelievable thing to you in the Star Wars universe is a lightsaber with cross guards?  Tauntaun's, AT-AT's and force powers sure, but man those cross guards take me right out of it, totally unbelievable. C'mon, seriously. :laugh2:   
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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2015, 02:13:22 pm »
So...full disclosure. The thing I like least from the new trailers is lightsabers with lightsaber cross guards. (That is just trying too hard to be cool, and failing)

It's not cool. Suspension of disbelief...blown.

So the most unbelievable thing to you in the Star Wars universe is a lightsaber with cross guards?  Tauntaun's, AT-AT's and force powers sure, but man those cross guards take me right out of it, totally unbelievable. C'mon, seriously. :laugh2:
Yeah, I don't get the hate for that. Count Dooku's lightsaber didn't look like anyone elses. Darth Maul's was different than when we have traditionally seen. I don't think there's a standard style of lightsaber, is there? I hope somebody whips out lightsaber ninja stars. That would blow people's minds.
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« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2015, 02:32:52 pm »
It's definitely a ticky tack criticism and falls in among natural suspension of disbelief.  I mean lets face it, if the Jedi's have such force powers as are often displayed they probably should use them more often in battle.  You know, maybe turn off the other guy's light sabre for example or I don't know float some debris in the air so you know you can get to the high ground without getting your legs cut off....

The bigger sin would be if the character doesn't have any depth.  I mean Darth Maul was a bad ass concept for a Sith, and yet they didn't flesh out his character at all.  Kylo Ren better be more than a smoke monster McGuffin.

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« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2015, 03:38:11 pm »
I get the impression that a lot of people who are turned off by the new movie and by the prequels are turned off by things that don't fit the "hipster" mentality (for lack of a better term).  Not liking the movie because of too much CGI is like saying your cabinet sucks because it uses MAME and has an LCD.  Not liking it because of a lightsaber you think is too cliché... same thing. It isn't cool anymore because it isn't just you and a couple kids from the original neighborhood that know about it now.  Heck, I think that is what bugs more people than anything else - back in the day Star Wars was something that just our generation "got".. Anything star wars was rare and to be a part was to be in some kind of exclusive club.  Got the latest action figure?  You're in the club.  Wait, you got the Millenium Falcon??  Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, you are definitely in.  Now you can't spit without hitting some kind of franchised item, and that pisses some people off.  And the new movies just turned the kids of this generation into star wars lovers, but they don't GET IT.. they don't GET that Jar Jar isn't cool.  They don't GET that the double ended lightsaber isn't cool, and that the cross bladed one is even less so.  It isn't fair that a new generation loves what we loved but for the wrong reasons.....

Look, the lightsaber thing - the original "authorized" storyline (aka expanded universe) it was explained that one step of becoming a jedi is to make your own lightsaber.  Hence how each has their own.  So one with parts sticking out all over is perfectly fine with me.  I don't care if people think it is unoriginal, cheesy, or just not up to their standards.  It fits the story, and that is more than could be said about pretty much 100% of ep 1-3. 

The reason a black stormtrooper should offend a fan is because the Empire was well known for being basically racist.  There would never be a black stormtrooper, just like there would never be a wookie stormtrooper.  The Empire hunted Wookies because they saw them and all aliens like Hitler saw the Jews.  However, if you are throwing out everything that didn't happen in ep 4-6 as not a part of the story, you can just go with anything you want.  Black stormtrooper?  Sure, why not? That's how I look at it now - ep 1-3 threw out everything from the known Star Wars universe.  So for me, whatever they come up with will be judged only on the movie vs ep 4-6.  Screw 1-3 and screw anything Lucas did since coming up with the idea to make a movie.. ep 4-6's success had more to do with everyone else than him anyway, and all he contributed was ideas and marketing.  Lucas is the Steve Jobs of films - a couple ideas in the 70's and really good at marketing but otherwise just recycling bits and pieces of what everyone else has already done better.

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« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2015, 03:42:54 pm »
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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2015, 05:42:25 pm »
So...full disclosure. The thing I like least from the new trailers is lightsabers with lightsaber cross guards. (That is just trying too hard to be cool, and failing)

It's not cool. Suspension of disbelief...blown.

So the most unbelievable thing to you in the Star Wars universe is a lightsaber with cross guards?  Tauntaun's, AT-AT's and force powers sure, but man those cross guards take me right out of it, totally unbelievable. C'mon, seriously. :laugh2:
Yeah, I don't get the hate for that. Count Dooku's lightsaber didn't look like anyone elses. Darth Maul's was different than when we have traditionally seen. I don't think there's a standard style of lightsaber, is there? I hope somebody whips out lightsaber ninja stars. That would blow people's minds.

I don't hate it for the fact that it's unbelievable.  I dislike it because it's too much of a gimmick. 

Lightsabers were cool in the original trilogy because the lightsaber duels had meaning.  Even the lightsabers themselves tied into the story and characters.

Episode 1-3 threw all that out in favor of gimmicky crap.  Darth Maul didn't have a double-bladed lightsaber because there was some significant meaning behind it.  He had a double bladed lightsaber because it allowed for a highly choreographed, martial arts style fight scene.  This type of gimmicky crap is what ruins those films, and it looks like they may continue this with Episode 7...
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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2015, 05:45:13 pm »
1-3 suck donkey ballz, and it's not just because I'm older or a hipster.

The biggest problem with them is what you already stated, the dialouge is rubbish, the characters are rubbish, the story doesn't make any sense in the known context.  And people just let Lucas make a crap film because $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

I will accept that Hollywood makes films for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ over art, but Star Wars was transcendent now it's damaged goods.  I refuse to get my hopes up too high that I forget Disney bought these rights for one reason alone, and it wasn't to make art.

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« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2015, 06:31:52 pm »
So the most unbelievable thing to you in the Star Wars universe is a lightsaber with cross guards?  Tauntaun's, AT-AT's and force powers sure, but man those cross guards take me right out of it, totally unbelievable. C'mon, seriously. :laugh2:

Touché'  :cheers:

I think I don't like it because my broken modern understanding of sword combat has no basis in reality. So in my head the user of that crossguard light saber would slice himself up. Possibly disproven by the link I posted. In the end I will get over it but it does lack the grace suggested o'l ben.
I can see the ridiculous nature of the critisism. That is why I'm going to enjoy the new movie.

I didn't mind the double bladed lightsaber that much??? nor do I mind the notion of a black Storm trooper. The Empire is racist...Racist vs Non-Humans. In an universe where there are real non human sentient races the word racism takes on a different context.

We are all a fickle bunch...but most of us will blow $20 to go see the new movie. (if only to get more things to complain about)

Edit: and I may have been exaggerating its importance a bit.  :afro:
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« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2015, 09:30:20 am »
I finally broke down and reviewed the most likely of the plot leaks....

It's a lot of MEH.....  I'm thinking now that it will probably be a decent & entertaining movie, but it remains to seen if it will capture the essence of the original.

A lot of it depends on how the introduce the most hokey of all the plot elements and how they explain the motivation of the characters seeking it out.  However GOTG failed miserably with a similar plot issue, and it was still a pretty good movie.

If you haven't seen it yet and want to spoil it for yourself here's the link http://makingstarwars.net/2015/05/a-compiled-synopsis-of-star-wars-the-force-awakens/ it's not coincidence that Rey and Ren are so closely spelled

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« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2015, 06:18:03 pm »
Holy Sh#T, They got Carrie Fisher to look like Princess Leia again!

This  :applaud:
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« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2015, 06:23:39 pm »
So the most unbelievable thing to you in the Star Wars universe is a lightsaber with cross guards?  Tauntaun's, AT-AT's and force powers sure, but man those cross guards take me right out of it, totally unbelievable. C'mon, seriously. :laugh2:

Touché'  :cheers:

I think I don't like it because my broken modern understanding of sword combat has no basis in reality. So in my head the user of that crossguard light saber would slice himself up. Possibly disproven by the link I posted. In the end I will get over it but it does lack the grace suggested o'l ben.
I can see the ridiculous nature of the critisism. That is why I'm going to enjoy the new movie.

I didn't mind the double bladed lightsaber that much??? nor do I mind the notion of a black Storm trooper. The Empire is racist...Racist vs Non-Humans. In an universe where there are real non human sentient races the word racism takes on a different context.

We are all a fickle bunch...but most of us will blow $20 to go see the new movie. (if only to get more things to complain about)

Edit: and I may have been exaggerating its importance a bit.  :afro:

I'll say this about the cross saber... it's growing on me. He looked mean swinging that thing in the trailer. I still think the chance of him losing his hands at the wrist is hella high. But more power to him keeping that in check.

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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2015, 07:01:52 pm »
I swear, you lightsaber purists. This Sith Lord obviously spent his own money and has his own design for his lightsaber. Who are you to question his design choices. Narcissist!
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« Reply #51 on: October 22, 2015, 07:36:41 pm »
Well, at least the two cross guards are "properly oriented" square to the main blade.   :droid

Imagine how bad the lightsaber purists would freak out if there were two more cross guards -- and they were angled.   >:D   :duckhunt


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« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2015, 08:29:17 pm »
The problem with the Crossgaurd:

 1)  Size.   At nearly 1ft end to end..  its most likely it will cut the user whos swinging it.

 2)  The Un-Shielded Junction.   This is the biggest problem actually.   As swords clash... the persons sword will slide all the way down the sword to the cross-junction.   However,  since the light-bars are a nearly 2" away from the junction... it leaves them to be easily severed off.  (The arm of the Op along with it)

 If they had a weapons expert in there... they probably would have easily spotted this Face-Palm error.

 Neither the Japanese nor Chinese swords have cross members.  The disc shaped hand guards are small, yet effectively enough to keep the hand safe from blade-slide.    Adding durable extended T-shaped cross members does not really gain you much protection,  especially considering that attacks can come from any angle.  It merely adds unwanted weight... making wielding slower and more tiresome.

 I personally have no issue with modifications and unique weapons... so long as they operate with some sense of believable realism.

 All they really had to do to make it more realistic... is to make the beams come out exactly at the edges of the grip.


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 Puppets  - vs - CGI

 CGI can be done quite convincingly when the right people are given the task, and when allowed the maximum rays to be traced + rendering time ($$$).   

 However,  Lucus's ILM team was just not up to par,  and it would seem that they skimped on rays, and render times.    Whats even worse... is that these 3d animators were horrible at simulating realistic motions... such as walking, fighting..etc.    So you get characters like Jar Jar... and Yoda... that seem to move like there is no such thing as Gravity, acceleration, momentum..etc.    No matter how real you make something look... when it does not move realistically... it totally ruins the effect,  and caused most people to shun it instantly.

 Also, Lucus's CGI was made without any form of realism.   Buildings and ships looked like they were just polished by Mr. Clean.  It was bad enough that there wasnt enough depth due to the lack of shading rays... but they to make everything sparkle like brand new... was way over the top.    The real world is gritty and dirty.   The tech and look should have been even more so than the originals.

 Puppets actually looked far more interesting (artistic),  and moved more realistically than many CGI characters.   Even the puppets that looked or moved kinda oddly.. were acceptable, because they were not hyper-realistic in appearance.   Each character was a work of art.. and added a real fantasy element to the movie.    It also added a lot of comedic relief..   otherwise, Starwars would have been more of a serious drama.   It would have lost a lot of its playfulness, heart, and soul.


 Ewoks -  Love / Hate

 It seems that Older generation people didnt like the idea of the Puppets,  most especially the Ewoks.   Its sort of funny, because R2D2 is about as unrealistic as can be... but he was easily accepted... where as Ewoks were not.  Similarly, there are many other puppet characters as well... and again, were accepted.   I would guess that was because they were not the main focus... as the Ewoks were.

 Of course, its more than merely age, that forms certain polar opinions.    There are a lot of Sci-Fi fans that are less about emotions, feelings, drama, and character ... and really just want to see high tech stuff.  Space flight, dog fights, explosions, and pure action.   They often want hyper realism... because to them, fantasy is seen as sort of childish and is not desired.

 These people often feel that Empire is the best of the Starwars films,  as a result of that vastly different perspective.


 I personally love the Ewoks.    But I also love movies like Labyrinth as well.   Im a fan of hand made things, and well done puppetry.
Which sadly, is probably not going to be in the new and future starwars episodes.    As a result, I feel the series will lose a lot of its character and depth.   It will probably become more of a generic and boring series.


 Hand Built Ships  - vs - CGI

 I think a lot of people do not realize the complexity of many of these great ship designs.   They Never would have happened, had some boring CGI artist tried to build them from scratch as originals.   The originals came to be so good.. because there were made by master model makers.   This kind of artists does not usually go into the CGI field.. because the CGI field is far more sterile and quirky.   The software and proceedures are far more painful to deal with... than merely to build these things from scratch with real physical materials.

 Even beyond this... is the fact that most CGI raytraving is done very poorly.. and so the ships look very flat and unrealistic, compared to photographed models.    Add to this a bad animator plotting the flight patterns.. and you have a sterile and unbelievable action scene... that looks fake,  and ruins the emotional value of the scene, due to the suspension of disbelief being far more impactful.


 Prequels - vs - Originals

 Most of what was said above applies to the Prequels.   Horribly unrealistic, flat, super-clean, poorly animated CGI.  A touch of JARmacan Racism.   And adding to that...  you have awful monotone acting.   None of the characters stood out as likable, nor interesting.

 Look at the reactions in the new Trailer.   As soon as people see Han, or Chewie... they go berzerk with emotions.   That is because these characters gave such great performances.   They are memorable and charismatic.  You actually Care what happens with and to them.   That simply cant be said for anything in the Prequels.   Its devoid of any real emotional impact.

 A great actor can almost turn a lump of coal,  into a Diamond.

 When Lucus got full control over SW...  he committed some of the worst crimes to it.   He went against everything that made SW so memorable and impacting.   No more puppets,  no more physically built models,  and poor quality of comedic relief.  Use of no-name actors whom may have looked right... but couldnt act for beans.


 New Trailer Opinion

 I dont want to say to much about it.    Im glad many of the original actors are in it.   Im also a fan of some of JJ's works...  so it has some potential to at least be "Good".   (Unlike Prequels)    Some scenes seemed more decorated in realism, rather than mere CGI.. which was nice.

 I dont think it will surpass something like ROTJ,  from the trailers current looks.

 It seems more of a Star Trek style of adventure... based more on realism, than the more fantasy / artsy originals.

 I do like the aspect of seeing a Star Wars film is Stereoscopic 3d.


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Id pay $30 for a ticket to see that, easily.

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« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2015, 08:58:42 pm »
I know I'm getting too excited about Star Wars when I just read every word of that word salad and generally agreed with everything said.

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« Reply #54 on: October 22, 2015, 09:06:19 pm »
My mom called me today hinting around that she would like me to take her to the 7 movie Star Wars marathon they are having.  I don't think I can do it. It would be really awesome to see EP4 on the big screen again though.

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« Reply #55 on: October 22, 2015, 09:42:09 pm »
No more puppets,  no more physically built models,

Just to nitpick, but there were a lot of practical models and effects in the Star Wars prequels.  The problem was there was also an overabundance of CGI plastered on top of it.

I also wonder if the general slick nature of modern effects tends to render the old-school imperfections of practical effects almost non-existent.  So people these days often mistake practical effects for CGI (the BB-8 droid being a perfect example).
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« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2015, 10:05:19 pm »
No more puppets,  no more physically built models,

Just to nitpick, but there were a lot of practical models and effects in the Star Wars prequels.  The problem was there was also an overabundance of CGI plastered on top of it.

I also wonder if the general slick nature of modern effects tends to render the old-school imperfections of practical effects almost non-existent.  So people these days often mistake practical effects for CGI (the BB-8 droid being a perfect example).

I think you are right.  CGI is often used to clean or spice up a practical effect. As I recall C3PO in EP1 was a practical effect. The only CGI was to remove the puppeteer.

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« Reply #57 on: October 29, 2015, 12:23:49 pm »
I walked out of E1 loving it and so did my two brothers that  I saw it with. Today I'm the only one that admits to liking it. I liked 3 and 4 as well. I guess I just excepted that there were parts of the movies made for me and there were parts that were there for kids. As a teacher I can tell you first hand that there are lots of young children that lover E1-3.

As for the new trailer I'll say this, When Hon Solo said "It's all real" I almost shed a single tear in a wave of nostalgia.     

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« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2015, 04:05:51 pm »
Broke down and bought advanced tickets for me an my 8 year old.... we'll see, even if it sucks at least it will be a good father/son outing.

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Re: Force Awakens Trailer 3
« Reply #60 on: November 30, 2015, 04:38:40 pm »
Given the collective nerdgasm the world is going to have over this thing... I give it 2 days, tops, before a HD quality bootleg is available.  Might want to use your neighbor's wifi to grab it, though.