BYOAC Talking Dead - Walking Dead Season 5

[harveybirdman]

I think the thing that bothered me the most about blowing up the bikers was that I read hundreds of people comment on FB that this is exactly what they expected to happen.  Daryl would blow them up with the Missile Launcher after overcoming the guy at the back, so that when it actually happened it almost was like it had been spoiled.

But yeah I wasn't down for our heroes to have to put up with any all your base are belong to us BS so I'm happy the Saviors are waiting for another day. 

Oh and guys.... I wouldn't get too comfortable with Glenn or Abraham

[Howard_Casto]

When Glenn was getting pinned against the fence, I thought "Oh no, here we go again."

Me and my girlfriend were screaming at the screen when he got pinned.. I was all "You went through ALL THAT BS with the dumpster only to kill him again?? NOOO!"  And then the walkers get mowed down without any bullets passing through their soft weak flesh to hit him, which was all good because they eliminated so many other people so fast.  I cheered..

I only knew about Carl living because of comments from here from the comic fans.  Oh well, that's what you get for reading the internet, lol.

I was surprised that after all the development with the mom and kids that they offed all of them.  The little kid, yeah, he needed to die.  The brother, or as they said in Talking Dead "Porch Dick Jr.", yeah, cool.  But it would have added some nice drama to keep the squeeze alive and have her degrade from watching her kids die.  Hell, drag her through that and turn her into a more bad assed version of Carol..  Oh well, one whole family down in a matter of seconds.  The pace felt off though for that whole scene.  I like how it moved the story forward, but that scene just felt ill-timed or something..

Great episode overall though.  And yeah, I was surprised (pleasantly) when the bikers blew up.. I almost rewound it to watch it again, lol..

Well they swapped some things around due to the fact that the people alive in the comics at this point aren't the same as on the show, but aside from the nice little inserts like the rocket launcher, scene this was scene for scene exactly what went down in the comic.  Which is why I was saying it's a shame that the overall arc is the same as the comics and it makes the show a bit of a let down for those who have read it.  I liked last years a lot better because aside from arriving at Alexandria, they went off page a lot.  This is mostly due to the fact that not a whole lot happens in the comics for some time after they arrive in Alexandria.  That's the only bad thing about the comics... the pacing is waaaaaay to slow.

[thomas_surles]

so people will complain that it's not enough like the comics and some will complain that it's too much like the comics? I'm confused. 

I don't read so it was a pretty exciting episode. the biker explosion took me by surprise. and the part with the kid and his mom getting  eaten seemed like it was one of their dreams and then it wasnt.

[dkersten]

and the part with the kid and his mom getting  eaten seemed like it was one of their dreams and then it wasnt.

Exactly.. the way they cut to it and it was just kind of.. happening.. made my girlfriend ask if this was a dream sequence or was it really happening.. It just didn't seem to fit at that moment.  It was almost anti-dramatic.  While it happened I didn't really care, at least until Michone's sword went through the kid and the gun went off.  When I finally decided it was really happening, my only thought was "Well, that was a waste of character development." 

[ChanceKJ]

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[RandyT]

I think I actually said out loud "Damn, just a little more to the right...."

[Malenko]

I think I actually said out loud "Damn, just a little more to the right...."

I was sooooo happy to see Sam get taken out and his weirdo brother. The wolf dying... I was indifferent, same with the mom.

[Howard_Casto]

Yeah it's too bad it wasn't much of a shock... as soon as they introduced "porch dick" I knew that was the family from the comic that becomes zombie chow, so I pretty much ignored their development.

[HaRuMaN]

[vwalbridge]

I like how the tires squealed when they hit the brakes. Even though they are driving in an open field. 

[Ginsu Victim]

JDM as Negan - Awesome. I knew he was a good pick when I saw the casting and he did not disappoint. I'm looking forward to seeing what he'll do with the character next season.

Steven Ogg as henchman #1 - aka Trevor Phillips of GTA V. I'm glad to see Steve showing up in more stuff lately. His cameo on season one of Better Call Saul was great, but it looks like he's going to be a real nasty bastard next season on TWD.

Anyone think the people Morgan and Carol ran into are from The Kingdom? I'm hoping we see a tiger next season.

Now....---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---....
We knew Negan was coming and that he would kill someone, but making us wait until October to find out who.....that's ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---. It's a ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- ending, a ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- cliffhanger.....---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---.

[vwalbridge]

JDM as Negan - Awesome. I knew he was a good pick when I saw the casting and he did not disappoint. I'm looking forward to seeing what he'll do with the character next season.

Steven Ogg as henchman #1 - aka Trevor Phillips of GTA V. I'm glad to see Steve showing up in more stuff lately. His cameo on season one of Better Call Saul was great, but it looks like he's going to be a real nasty bastard next season on TWD.

Anyone think the people Morgan and Carol ran into are from The Kingdom? I'm hoping we see a tiger next season.

Now....---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---....
We knew Negan was coming and that he would kill someone, but making us wait until October to find out who.....that's ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---. It's a ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- ending, a ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- cliffhanger.....---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---.

+1 on all of THIS^.

Now, place your bets on who was killed. Lot's of theories out there on this. It was definitely someone to Negan's left. So probably someone that was inside the Van. My guess is Glenn.

[jennifer]

    They are all dead to me.... I wont be back to watch more of that stupid.

[vwalbridge]

    They are all dead to me.... I wont be back to watch more of that stupid.

[jennifer]

 OMG that's funny...Jennifer laughs and laughs.

[RandyT]

Now, place your bets on who was killed.

Carl.  Then we get to sit through another umpteen filler episodes watching Rick lose his mind.

Question: How many times will one character or another do something stupid for the sake of pushing an implausible plot line? 

Answer:  Looks like too many.

[harveybirdman]

It was most definitely Glenn, if they make it anyone else it will be far too drastic a departure from the Comic though I was happy to see Abraham spared by Denise taking his death.

I mean how can you show the rift between Rick and Maggie if Glenn doesn't bite it?

[Malenko]

Q: Who did Negan kill on the Walking Dead Finale?
A:  About 1/3rd of the fan base

I think it was Glenn because of the comics, despite the show deviating from the source material.  I believe the line Negan says prior to the whacking, keeps it from being Carl or Rick. Leaving the death as a cliff hanger, for a very loyal fanbase is just a dick move and I think alienated the fanbase more than keeping them salivating for more.

Im significantly less interested in the next season because of it.

[harveybirdman]

I totally agree, and if it is Glenn his death totally deserves more than being a cheap ratings grab ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- show.... TWICE....

[vwalbridge]

There is still a very slight possibility that Negan doesn't actually kill anyone. The writers have already deviated from the comic books so they could do it again.

Now hear me out...

Negan doesn't actually say "I'm going to kill one of you". He actual line was "So, now I'm gonna beat the holy hell outta one of you."

So, it's possible that the writers did this on purpose to buy themselves time between seasons, or to test the waters with the audience to see how they would react.

Remember, there is no such thing as "bad publicity".  The show has already won because everyone is talking about it. So, if the audience revolts, they will just keep the victim barley alive. And if the audience was OK with the finale, they will let the person die. Either way, the writers win because they can do whatever they want before season 7.

Also, remember that Carol and Morgan meet up with those Horseback dudes earlier in the day...so it's technically possible for them to interrupt Negan's beating before his victim dies.

[Howard_Casto]

I don't think it's Glenn and hear me out on this.  I think they were worried about killing a core character, something they haven't done yet, (Sorry Shane, and Hershel fans, those were second tier characters) so the mid-season finale was a test run.  Fans lost their minds so they re-thought it... and then the change happened.  Eugene now gives Rick instructions on how to make bullets, serving him up to be functionally useless and therefore replaceable in the upcoming war.  He even hugged his buddie goodbye and Rick thanked him which is odd because I don't think those two characters have ever spoke more than three words to each other.   

I sure hope I'm wrong though.  Eugene is a breath of fresh air on the show.  Everyone else is all grim-dark and super serious all the time and yet Eugene now just randomly walks into scenes saying something awkward that totally kills the tension.  It's like he's winking to the audience saying "you know this is just a dumb show about zombies right?".

[Malenko]

The 2 obvious set ups are Maggie (the whole episode was about saving her) but her arc with Rick in the comics makes me think its not, and Eugene for the reasons you just mentioned. It feels like a really obvious "bait and switch" distraction.

I dont think its Abraham because then it wouldn't make sense to swap his death with Denise's (in the comics) Of all the people Sasha and Rosita seem the most expendable, but I hope its not Christian Serratos, shes very easy on the eyes.



There is such thing as bad publicity if it means fewer and fewer people watch the show.

[Ginsu Victim]

Question: Who the hell decided Abraham should have the worst lines of anyone? The things he has said this season have only been met with groans in our household.

[Howard_Casto]

The comics.  He's like that in there.  Honestly though I find him almost as enjoyable as Eugene. 

"You know how to bit a dick Eugene, and I say that with the upmost respect."

That's quite possibly the best line uttered by anyone in history, fictional or otherwise.

[Ginsu Victim]

The comics.  He's like that in there.

I guess seeing it written didn't give me the kind of reaction that hearing it spoken does. I'm fairly current on the comic and forgot.

"You know how to bite a dick Eugene, and I say that with the upmost respect."

That's quite possibly the best line uttered by anyone in history, fictional or otherwise.

That's not the kind of line I was referring to. That one's GOLD. 

[RandyT]

There is still a very slight possibility that Negan doesn't actually kill anyone.

I don't think anyone could survive even one good whack to the skull with a barbed-wire wound baseball bat.  Of course, getting shot in the eye socket would have been un-survivable, without seriously advanced reconstructive procedures and medical care as well.  So....yeah, anything is possible.

I also doubt it's Glen.   Negan gave him a "pass" earlier in the scene, so the gesture would be a bit meaningless to then do him in anyway.  Tend also to think it's not a female, for obvious reasons.

[Howard_Casto]

The 2 obvious set ups are Maggie (the whole episode was about saving her) but her arc with Rick in the comics makes me think its not, and Eugene for the reasons you just mentioned. It feels like a really obvious "bait and switch" distraction.

I dont think its Abraham because then it wouldn't make sense to swap his death with Denise's (in the comics) Of all the people Sasha and Rosita seem the most expendable, but I hope its not Christian Serratos, shes very easy on the eyes.



There is such thing as bad publicity if it means fewer and fewer people watch the show.

Well all these changes from the comics have also written the characters into a lot of corners.  (Massive text incoming)

They made Andrea into a villain screwing hoe-bag, so much so that they had to kill her off even though she is STILL alive in the comics.  The relationship that Rick now has with Michonne is supposed to be with her.  How is that a problem?  Well Michonne is supposed to hook-up with the leader of the Kingdom which starts a major story arc that is playing out in the comics right now.  They killed their only doctor as well and while I'm sure they can put a cheap stand-in in place, it's going to cause story issues.  Another major corner they just seem to ignore is Judith (the baby).  She was supposed to die in the prison attack along with Judith senior in rather spectacular fashion.  They didn't have the balls to do it though, so on the show she gave birth and died doing it.  They tried to kill the baby off in a more "tasteful" manner later, but the fan-base revolted, so they caved again and put her back the next season.  So now they have this baby that is conveniently "somewhere else" whenever all the action goes down.   Say what you want about Z-nation... they killed a baby in the first episode. 

Anyway my point....  Maggie has her kid in the comics but on the show we already have a baby.  So the unexpected and unexplained illness they gave her is to kill off the fetus leaving only one baby on the show.  They don't want to make the same mistake twice. 

Also I'm not sure how much longer the show has......  they are going to catch up to the "time jump" next season.... they obviously can't jump forward like they do in the books due to the fact that there are teenagers/kids on the show.  So one more season and then the whole thing is going to fall apart because the only good parts of the show are direct-adaptations of major arcs in the comics.

[Howard_Casto]

There is still a very slight possibility that Negan doesn't actually kill anyone.

I don't think anyone could survive even one good whack to the skull with a barbed-wire wound baseball bat. 

Cactus Jack would beg to differ.  Seriously how do they introduce Lucille and not even give a passing nod to Foley in Talking Dead?

Don't get me wrong, I think they are dead as well.

[Blackfoot]

The comics.  He's like that in there.  Honestly though I find him almost as enjoyable as Eugene. 

"You know how to bit a dick Eugene, and I say that with the upmost respect."

That's quite possibly the best line uttered by anyone in history, fictional or otherwise.

I like:

"Why are dingleberries brown?  Because ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- happens."

[vwalbridge]

Wait a second...

If the audience has anything to complain about it's Carol's radical 180 character turn.

So she is a bad-ass for nearly 6.5 seasons, then suddenly can't take it anymore for one episode and turns into a weakling?

THAT is the only dumb writing as far as I'm concerned. The rest of the writing thus far I'm A-OK with.

[smass]

My money is on Abraham.  He had that whole "I am ready to have kids" moment with Sasha in the camper earlier in the episode and that may have fore-shadowed his death.  Also, the first hit from the bat did not kill him or knock him out as Negan exclaimed "you took that like a man" (or close to that).  Abraham has a big ole skull that might take a hit without popping like a ripe melon.  If it were Glenn it would have been a one hit TKO

[Ginsu Victim]

There is still a very slight possibility that Negan doesn't actually kill anyone.

I don't think anyone could survive even one good whack to the skull with a barbed-wire wound baseball bat. 

Cactus Jack would beg to differ.  Seriously how do they introduce Lucille and not even give a passing nod to Foley in Talking Dead?

Don't get me wrong, I think they are dead as well.

Negan doesn't do kayfabe.

[vwalbridge]

Negan exclaimed "you took that like a man"

Exact line was:

Negan: "Ho! Ho! Look at that. Taking it like a champ! "

[harveybirdman]

The real question is that if they deviate from source material is the resulting story going to be any good?

I mean look at Fear, they have a blank script.... and so far it's garbage comparatively.

I mean can you remember even one character's name?

Let's just forget the fact the the population of Los Angeles circa 2015 is 18.55 million, by comparison Atlanta's population a meager 447,000.  But somehow there are no Zombies in sight? or they must have all fit in the Staples center right? (a mere 18k capacity).

I mean c'mon if they get too far from the comics it's going to suck, and not just because the book is always better than the movie.

[smass]

The real question is that if they deviate from source material is the resulting story going to be any good?

This is another reason my guess is that it was Abraham.  His character dies in the comic around this point in the story.  My second guess would be Glenn for the same reasons, but I think Abraham's story has run its course.  Glenn is far more integral to the TV show storyline.

Last point on Abraham as my choice:  Negan is no dummy.  If he is going to kill one of the group, he is not going to kill Rick because he needs the leader alive to work for him.  Who is he going to kill then?  The next biggest threat.  Abraham is the biggest dude in the lineup (something that is emphasized when the camera pans the kneeling group - he is a head taller than any of the others) and if I was Negan I would kill the next biggest threat after Rick.  Lets not kid anyone, his eanie-meanie-minie-moe thing was just for show.  Damn sure he picked who he was gonna kill, it was not at all random.  He is too smart for that.

[CCM]

Someone slowed down the audio from the end as proof it is Glenn... I don't know that it necessarily proves anything, but it makes that final scene much more disturbing.

[Ginsu Victim]

Someone slowed down the audio from the end as proof it is Glenn... I don't know that it necessarily proves anything, but it makes that final scene much more disturbing.

They can retcon it in s07e01 to be whoever they want.

[smass]

Someone slowed down the audio from the end as proof it is Glenn... I don't know that it necessarily proves anything, but it makes that final scene much more disturbing.

Disturbing for sure.  I saw that clip this morning.  Seems to be probable that Maggie screaming Glenn's name was edited in from the a few episodes earlier when she was trapped on the watchtower.  That being said, Glenn is a strong possibility as the head banger even without this apparently manufactured "evidence"

[CCM]

Someone slowed down the audio from the end as proof it is Glenn... I don't know that it necessarily proves anything, but it makes that final scene much more disturbing.

They can retcon it in s07e01 to be whoever they want.

Exactly,  I am of the belief that the writers/producers haven't even decided who it is yet.   

[vwalbridge]

Exactly,  I am of the belief that the writers/producers haven't even decided who it is yet.

Agreed. Word on the street is that the actors in the show still don't know either.