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Keezer pedestal
« on: June 17, 2014, 07:05:54 pm »
Hi gang,

Hoping to get some clarification on some details of my build.  I am planning on using severedhed/PBJ's turtle themed pedestal.  I am using a one-off FE that uses MAME, S/NES, and N64.  I plan on actually having people over to utilize 4P games, such as The Simpson's, NBA Jam/Hangtime, and Golden Axe.  I would really like for there to be a trackball for use in about 3 games I would realistically play, namely Golden Tee. There will be heavy use of fighters like SF2, MvC, and the occasional Japanese WTH is going on game.

The CP itself will feature 2 players using 6 buttons, and the other 2 using 4.  4 individual player buttons, along with 4 coin buttons. I found a really cool job someone did of under-mounting the button hardware and then placed quarters veritcally into slots that you depressed to "insert coin".  Very slick, I totally want to pirate this idea, and will post a picture when I find it.  I would like to do 2 pinball flapper buttons, just in case, but those can be scrapped easily.  I would also like to use 3 admin buttons in the front of what I call the "collar".

The plan is to mount the guts to a very solid i7 (HP desktop) to the base of the pedestal, and run the video out to a wall mounted TV (37" LCD that has yet to be purchased) or to a free-to-me projector for game nights outside.  Obviously with this plan, portability is key, as is form-factor and footprint. Crazy enough, my wife signed off on this being a fun project.

I do not plan on using LEDs or anything along those lines.  I would love for the wood to be the center of attention.  I am still undecided about joysticks and buttons, but I like the idea of purchasing everything from one site (ultimarc).

Here are some of my initial questions:
I am leaning toward using the ipac4 interface, but this would then require a secondary interface for the use of a trackball, correct?

Is there a different interface that will allow for the 4P CP and a trackball?

I am contemplating going to a 2P CP and using 4 gamepads specifcally for the S/NES and N64 games.  Is there any issue with using a iPac4 in 2P mode and a trackball, AND 4 gamepads from a MAME input perspective?  Or is it because windows will identify these as gamepads, there wont be a conflict in which player is doing what?  Is this more "accepted" than building a frankenpanel?

Here is a similar design to my upcoming "keezer" project, and what will ultimately be the theme of this pedestal:


Main difference is my collar (top wood assembly) will have the taps coming out of it instead of a tower, like this:

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2014, 07:12:49 pm »
Depends on the type of trackball.  I am going to use an X-Arcade trackball in my pedestal, that has a built in PS/2 & USB interface so it's not going need an independant interface.

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2014, 07:26:40 pm »
I can definitely make concessions on USB inputs.  The MoBo has 5 dedicated inputs I believe, and that is a great point.  Thanks!

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2014, 09:10:02 pm »
I like the idea of purchasing everything from one site
Don't worry, you'll get over THAT fixation as your plan takes shape.   :laugh2:

Most people will order from several vendors since various companies have certain products that are better than the competition's.

I am contemplating going to a 2P CP and using 4 gamepads specifcally for the S/NES and N64 games.  Is there any issue with using a iPac4 in 2P mode and a trackball, AND 4 gamepads from a MAME input perspective?  Or is it because windows will identify these as gamepads, there wont be a conflict in which player is doing what?  Is this more "accepted" than building a frankenpanel?
MAME default recognizes both keyboard encoder inputs and gamepad inputs (i.e. P1B1 = L. Ctrl or Mouse B0 or Gamepad B0) but is easy to reprogram -- look at the other emulators you'll be using to see how flexible they are.

There are many ways to approach your question, depending on what controls you plan to use with the emulators/games you plan on playing.

Before you get too far in your design process, one recommended early step is to make a list of the games you want to play -- check out this part of the FAQ for a series of considerations that may help you sort through the wide variety of available options.


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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2014, 12:34:14 pm »
My wifi bit the dust last night after I wrote up a reply.  :-\

PL1:  I do have a list of must-have games, which came out to a list of around 45.  I already have the emulation aspect figured out in terms of ROMs, FE, and PC parts.  I have been practicing my SF2 skills with the keyboard, and they are quite lacking  ;D  I did read the link provided, and have definitely benefited by raising some more questions for myself.

Comparing the x-arcade trackball assembly to the twisted quarter trackball:

Does anyone have first-hand experience with one or both of these units?


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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2014, 08:29:31 pm »
I like the uniqueness of Quinn's coin buttons in her CP design (http://quinndunki.com/blondihacks/?p=1364) here:


Would a simple Cherry switch like this work for this design?


Another idea I had was to flush-mount quarters into the CP with a switch below.  Cheesy?  Too over the top?

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2014, 09:26:54 pm »
If you're planning on doing the vertical quarters trick, you may want to use a lever arm microswitch -- you'll want a heavier actuation force switch (probably 125 gram?) like the 95-0735-90 switches in a Happ Super that can lift 4 quarters.

Tested several switches and the (50g?) Zippyy ones from Paradise aren't strong enough for this application.



Another option is to print inserts like these for LED pushbuttons.




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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2014, 07:04:46 pm »
Thanks, PL1!  I will look into this as I gather my parts list.

I realized that I never really did introduce myself to the forum, and I'd like to take a minute to do that now.  I have been in IT for about 13 years, and currently work for a software company that leverages cloud-based IVR solutions and general optimization software.  I spent 5 years in the US Coast Guard, mainly in the Bay/SF area, before relocating back to Phoenix, Arizona with my wife.  We have been married for 9 years this April, and have a 4 year old boy. 

I am really intrigued with integrating technology into every practices.  I am working with a buddy who uses CAD daily to build a CNC machine for around 150 dollars.  I have a virtualization server in my office to learn VMWare and further understand the intricacies of server environments. 

I have loved video games since Mike Tyson's Punchout.  Of course, I have played an really like SMB, and other nostalgic games, but Punchout was one of the first times I sat around for hours laughing and playing with a group of friends trying to dismantle that pesky Soda Popinski!

I am hoping to learn a lot here.  I really enjoy the community feel I have seen while lurking, and been shown since signing up.  I am trying to figure sketchup out so I can post up some ideas and thoughts on build specifics, moreso than what I've already found and saved from the board.  Thanks again for the hospitality, and I am really looking forward to showing some construction pictures soon!

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2014, 07:48:14 pm »
...before relocating back to Phoenix, Arizona with my wife.  We have been married for 9 years this April, and have a 4 year old boy. 

Welcome to the valley!  There's a few of us here on the boards that also live in that particular Circle of Hell.

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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2014, 09:02:30 pm »

Welcome to the valley!  There's a few of us here on the boards that also live in that particular Circle of Hell.

Ha!  My family moved here in '89.  I left in 01 to join the USCG, and came back in 06 after my enlistment.  Not sure why I convinced her to leave SF, never move to San Diego, and insisted on moving to Phoenix. 

What part of the valley are most of you guys from?  I'm in Ahwatukee.  Let the jokes begin  :cheers:

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2014, 09:09:28 pm »
I'm up in Sunnyslope.  Yotsuya and Haruman are local as well as well as a couple others.

On a side note, can we change the beer taps in your design a little?  I've found that IV lines work much better.  For a short time at least.   >:D

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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2014, 09:30:57 pm »
'Sup, horizon? I'm in north central Phoenix.
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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2014, 10:00:13 pm »
Yotsuya can hook you up with the tortillas maiz and salsa verde, too.


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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2014, 11:33:16 pm »
I think I know enough nurses and ER techs to make the IV lines a reality.  :notworthy:  Yo Yotsuya.  I used to live over by Moon Valley HS before moving to Chandler/Ahwatukee.

Yotsuya can hook you up with the tortillas maiz and salsa verde, too.

You had me at tortillas.

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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2014, 07:30:56 pm »
I put together a small google doc spreadsheet for keeping track of options and, hopefully, a way to organize all the random thoughts in my head.

It can be viewed here:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eoX4Ks0KALJbe9WaiGbqptqcTnh95C4PRLw_AEWp9Bg/edit?usp=sharing

Interfaces: it seems like my only "real" option is the iPac4, either the standard or ultimate.  The KeyWiz40 just doesn't have enough inputs for 4P, unless I am missing something?  I don't plan on using LEDs in any capacity, and I want to have 4P with a trackball.  My best bet here is the iPac4 and a USB trackball, right?

Trackballs: There are a few options out there, and the best deal appears to be from X-Arcade.  Anyone have any experience with it directly?  If there is a better option in terms of bang for your buck, I am all ears!  I don't want to eBay special this build, or always go with the lowest price if that means I am sacrificing performance at every turn.

Pushbuttons: I realize there is a lot of variance on opinion on what makes a good pushbutton.  For the most part, I feel like fighters and shmups will dominate what we play outside of Golden Tee.  I think I agree that I should buy one of each main style and see what I dig, but the Happ competition pushbutton is what we all know from streetfighter, correct?  Is the Arcade PRIME pushbutton decent? If there is not much/no difference with the Happ comps, do you lean toward the more "traditional name"?  If I decide to "upgrade" to the ultimarc offerings, is there a major difference in feel between the two, GoldLeaf and Classic?

Joysticks:  I feel that at this point there is no reason to get into the U360, strictly due to the price point.  Even if I make changes to the interface and go with cheaper buttons, it comes nowhere close to offsetting the cost.  I realize this is a highly subjective topic.  On one hand the price of the Happs is favorable, half of the Sanwa's.  But if I were to upgrade all 4 joysticks down the road, then the ~34 dollars would be a waste, right?  I've read a lot of opinions on joysticks from the search results.  When it comes to the GGG Smoothstick and LeafPro, would anyone recommend those OVER the Sanwa's?  Why?  I don't see the point of buying the JStik when I can purchase a legitimate Sanwa. Is there another Sanwa model I should be aware of?  Any controllers not on my list that I should research?

Misc: Aside from some tools and bits, is there anything I am overlooking or forgetting for the CP?  I plan on getting a drill guide, although my wife signed off on the drill press (yay!), forstner bits, PCB feet, and small things for wire management.

I wanted to break this up into multiple posts to make it easier to respond and quote, but I also didn't want to spam my thread without having pictures  :laugh:

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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2014, 07:35:02 pm »
I was hoping to have some time to knock out a design of the cab in SketchUp this weekend, but that just didn't happen.  I will need to modify Severedhed and PBJ's designs in order to accommodate the Keezer style.  I want a base that is stained (cherry) pine or oak.  Sitting inside that 2x4, wrapped base will set the cab as planned minus the height of the bottom "collar".  The main body will be painted, or laminated, black.  The CP will have a matching collar, while the very top will be black. 

I am leaning toward using smooth black t-molding as needed.  The hard part is going to be getting the two collars to look professional.

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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2014, 07:39:05 pm »
Last questions for this round:

I have sanded pine from another project, any objections from the masses for using already paid for sanded pine?  I will still need a second sheet of something for the CP.

How terrible would it look if the CP itself was square, rather than a Hexagon?  I definitely need to get a CP skethed!

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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2014, 08:19:11 pm »
I have sanded pine from another project, any objections from the masses for using already paid for sanded pine?  I will still need a second sheet of something for the CP.

The main reason we use MDF is because it is stupidly easy to route and paint.  Paint on ply tends to look crappy.  If you are not going to paint and are gonna use an artwork laminate or something like that the there's no reason not to use it.

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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2014, 08:20:16 pm »
Trackballs: There are a few options out there, and the best deal appears to be from X-Arcade.  Anyone have any experience with it directly?  If there is a better option in terms of bang for your buck, I am all ears!
I've read many favorable reviews on Rodney's reconditioned Happ trackballs and accessories available here.


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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2014, 12:54:50 am »
Yotsuya can hook you up with the tortillas maiz and salsa verde, too.

True dat. Last time we had a local collectors repair party, I made authentic Mexican beef tacos and rice for the whole group. It was fun.

That reminds me, if you want to get to know the local Phoenix group, horizon, PM me and I'll get you some contact info.
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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2014, 09:38:54 am »
What's authentic mean?  No cheese and you used lengua?


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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2014, 10:44:07 am »
What's authentic mean?  No cheese and you used lengua?

Authentic means "cooked by a Mexican-American using a family recipe and not picking up a 12-pack at Taco Bell".
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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2014, 11:00:38 am »
Sounds awesome, Yotsuya.  Incoming PM.

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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2014, 11:47:22 am »
I'll throw my 2 cents in here based on my limited recent experience
Interfaces: it seems like my only "real" option is the iPac4, either the standard or ultimate.  The KeyWiz40 just doesn't have enough inputs for 4P, unless I am missing something?  I don't plan on using LEDs in any capacity, and I want to have 4P with a trackball.  My best bet here is the iPac4 and a USB trackball, right?
I don't know the price off the top of my head on the USB interface for the trackball, and I didn't see you saying you want a spinner, so as far as I know, the extra $35 for the ultimate would only give you the trackball interface, but in using it you lose some of the player 4 inputs.  You can make up for them with the 4 auxiliary inputs, but if you want a pause or service button, that is out too.  I managed to get 32 buttons, 2 joysticks (2 are u360's so don't use the ipac), trackball and spinner on the ultimate, but I used every single input.  No sense if you aren't going with LED lighting anywhere, you can do it all with the ipac4.
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Trackballs: There are a few options out there, and the best deal appears to be from X-Arcade.  Anyone have any experience with it directly?  If there is a better option in terms of bang for your buck, I am all ears!  I don't want to eBay special this build, or always go with the lowest price if that means I am sacrificing performance at every turn.
I had a tankstick first and thought the trackball was crap.  Brand new out of the box it feels like it needs to be cleaned badly, like it has been used for a year or two.  It is so bumpy and stuck on the left-right axis all the time.  I went with the ultimarc u-trak on the new CP (I added led's and the translucent ball) and I like it.  If you can cut a perfect 80mm hole you can go without the trim ring and it comes out really nice.  But that is a tricky feat because it is a finished hole.  The trim ring for it would only be useful if you were using 1/2" MDF or routed out the back of 3/4" to bring it up about 3/16", but if you use the trim ring you can just use a 3 1/4" hole saw.. it is a trade off on how you want it to look.  I don't have any experience with other trackballs so I can't say more, but so far the u-trak is smooth as silk and looks fantastic. 
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Pushbuttons: I realize there is a lot of variance on opinion on what makes a good pushbutton.  For the most part, I feel like fighters and shmups will dominate what we play outside of Golden Tee.  I think I agree that I should buy one of each main style and see what I dig, but the Happ competition pushbutton is what we all know from streetfighter, correct?  Is the Arcade PRIME pushbutton decent? If there is not much/no difference with the Happ comps, do you lean toward the more "traditional name"?  If I decide to "upgrade" to the ultimarc offerings, is there a major difference in feel between the two, GoldLeaf and Classic?
All I can say about switches so far is that I am unimpressed with the GGG basic switches and the electric ice II switch mount is leaving a little to be desired.  The buttons don't feel that "solid" to me.  But they aren't all the different feeling from the tankstick buttons either.  The only thing I can say about leaf switches is that they take up some room on the back side of the cp, so plan carefully for that.  I could never have used leafs in my cp without moving buttons around a lot to accommodate for it, and as it was I had to trim off the leaf mounts on the GGG buttons.  The Ultimarc basic buttons and switches feel much more solid, although maybe too tight of tolerances because one out of four that I added seems to stick just a little.
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Joysticks:  I feel that at this point there is no reason to get into the U360, strictly due to the price point.  Even if I make changes to the interface and go with cheaper buttons, it comes nowhere close to offsetting the cost.  I realize this is a highly subjective topic.  On one hand the price of the Happs is favorable, half of the Sanwa's.  But if I were to upgrade all 4 joysticks down the road, then the ~34 dollars would be a waste, right?  I've read a lot of opinions on joysticks from the search results.  When it comes to the GGG Smoothstick and LeafPro, would anyone recommend those OVER the Sanwa's?  Why?  I don't see the point of buying the JStik when I can purchase a legitimate Sanwa. Is there another Sanwa model I should be aware of?  Any controllers not on my list that I should research?
I added j-stiks for my p3 and p4, and u360's for p1 and p2.  I like the j-stik feel so far, although I have not played games with it yet (tonight maybe).  The u-360 is smooth as silk but feels like it has too much throw even with the top mounted restrictors, so I am not sure I will like them.  I might double up the springs to see if that helps.  The cheapo sticks in the tankstick were too loose and undefined.  They worked and felt good but in play it felt sloppy.  I think I just need more defined corners.  If I didn't care about flexibility, I would do the j-stik's personally.  The 4-8 switch from underneath is a really nice feature, I like the feel of the stick in general, and it was a real toss up between the u360 and servo stik for the main joysticks.. The idea of not having to mess with anything to get true 4 or 8 way (ie with restrictors) was a big one for me.. but cost is a factor too, so given the choice and a stricter budget, anything that feels like the j-stik would work, even if I was stuck in 8-way mode. 

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Misc: Aside from some tools and bits, is there anything I am overlooking or forgetting for the CP?  I plan on getting a drill guide, although my wife signed off on the drill press (yay!), forstner bits, PCB feet, and small things for wire management.
zip ties, zip tie mounts, a good crimper, some red and blue butt connectors, some extra wire (22 ga would be fine, 18 if you have to buy at a hardware store).  extra female spade connectors, and a lot of patience.  Might even be good to have a solder pen and some heat shrink handy if you run into any issues.  Avoid the prewired harnesses if you can, they are crap.  Have a multimeter on hand too, chances are you will have a bad connection somewhere (especially if you use prewired harnesses).  If you are doing t-molding, have a 1/16th" slot cutting bit.. And overall, a router is your best friend.  Flush trim bits to duplicate from a template, dado and rabbeting bits are good to have, and a roundover bit if you are doing any edges that won't have t-molding. 

Even if you are doing graphics on the CP, prime and seal whatever wood you choose and sand to 220 or 320.  The finished quality of everything is going to be very dependent on how much time you take to prep surfaces right.  If you plan to paint with latex, remember that latex can take 2-4 weeks to fully cure and is very fragile until then.  You could build a cabinet to perfection but if you finish it poorly it will look like you slapped it together with CD plywood and a jigsaw.

That's about all I have to offer here, good luck on it!

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2014, 12:21:53 pm »
Another +1 for the U-Trak, although I would consider Rodney's trackball and USB interface as well.

And personally, I love the GGG ClassX leaf switches and PacPro Leaf stick. Just stay away from convex buttons if you want an old school feel. Ugh.  :puke
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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2014, 03:18:20 pm »
dkersten - Thank you for the insight.  Truly appreciate when someone takes that amount of time to give their feedback, both positive and negative.  I think the biggest take away from this board so far is people's willingness to genuinely help.  Thank you!

Yotsuya - I sent a PM to him either last night or this morning...work is making my brain melt, so it is kind of a blur.  I really wanted an all black CP, but I can definitely concede to a white trackball.

I will try and knock some stuff out in sketchup tonight for feedback.

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2014, 04:45:16 am »
Here is a pain staking attempt at sketchup for the plans mentioned earlier:


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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2014, 03:40:42 pm »
When it comes to button layout, what is your preference?  I have the slagcoin templates up and printed.  I am going to order a few pushbuttons so I can make a template with cardboard. 

Does anyone actually prefer the SF layout?

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2014, 05:17:56 pm »
When it comes to button layout, what is your preference?  I have the slagcoin templates up and printed.  I am going to order a few pushbuttons so I can make a template with cardboard. 

Does anyone actually prefer the SF layout?

I like a straight layout.  3x2.  I like mine a little closer together than the standard Street Fighter though.
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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2014, 07:20:42 pm »
I have some templates from slagcoin.com at 300 dpi.  Going to try a few and see how it goes.

Just ordered 20 goldleaf pushbuttons.  And the money hole begins....   :applaud:

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2014, 03:09:03 am »
I'd say skip the zip ties and zip tie mounts. Get yourself a roll of Velcro tape and a staple gun. Looks cleaner, lasts longer than a tacky adhesive, and it's reusable if you need to get at the wires.


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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2014, 11:04:18 am »
I'd say skip the zip ties and zip tie mounts. Get yourself a roll of Velcro tape and a staple gun. Looks cleaner, lasts longer than a tacky adhesive, and it's reusable if you need to get at the wires.

See, and here I would say use the zip ties and tie mounts because it looks more arcade-authentic. But since this is a scratch build and custom shape, Chance is probably right.  :cheers:
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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2014, 12:15:49 pm »
I'd say skip the zip ties and zip tie mounts. Get yourself a roll of Velcro tape and a staple gun. Looks cleaner, lasts longer than a tacky adhesive, and it's reusable if you need to get at the wires.

See, and here I would say use the zip ties and tie mounts because it looks more arcade-authentic. But since this is a scratch build and custom shape, Chance is probably right.  :cheers:

I never really looked at it that way. ...you know, me being right ;D

But seriously, that's a valid point yotsuya, I can see a place for both. The ties do look more authentic, but the Velcro looks more modern and clean. I know the R-Pod used Velcro for sure and it was a custom (beyond custom) build.

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2014, 07:57:03 pm »
I have a small roll of velcro at the house.  I will roll with that and see how it looks.  If it looks like cheese, I can always do zip ties to replace them.  The only thing I dislike about zip ties is that they feel so permanent to me.  Especially when someone has bundled  100 cat5 cables with a giant zip tie and you need to remove a faulty cable.  :banghead:

All valid points - digging the info guys!

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2014, 09:35:02 pm »
I have a small roll of velcro at the house.  I will roll with that and see how it looks.  If it looks like cheese, I can always do zip ties to replace them.  The only thing I dislike about zip ties is that they feel so permanent to me.  Especially when someone has bundled  100 cat5 cables with a giant zip tie and you need to remove a faulty cable.  :banghead:

All valid points - digging the info guys!

Yeah, if you have the Velcro already, then that's the way to go. One other thing - I've mainly been dealing with metal control panels, where you NEED to use zip ties and mounts.
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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2014, 05:19:11 pm »
For me, I like either the velcro or small tie wraps (always twist the ends off of the tie wraps rather than snip)
And for real arcadeness and neatness, I prefer these.
http://pinballmagic.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=87

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2014, 06:20:53 pm »
This forum needs an, "alert me when a board has been cut" feature.


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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2014, 06:31:53 pm »
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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2014, 08:01:47 pm »
PBJ, Severdhed, guru's:  If the plans you supplied on the board, with the base being approximately 25.5"x24"D, what would be necessary to trim the depth to about 18" and it still be stable?  Would the best route be to change from 4 player to 2 player?

After showing both of your builds to my wife over the past couple of weeks, I got the dreaded "You didn't say it would be that big" line.  The space I am putting it on is 60"w and only 21" until the first window. 

If I can't figure out an easy alternative for the base, I will need to make a portable CP only. 

Suggestions?

I wil upload my progress pictures shortly.

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2014, 09:20:12 pm »
Any opinions on the base of the pedestal being approximately 18x25.5"?  Is this going to be sturdy enough for general usage?  I'm not sure how intense games of Qix will get.  :P

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2014, 09:24:25 pm »
..."You didn't say it would be that big"....

Boom, Phrasing.

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« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2014, 11:00:57 pm »
First time I've EVER heard that.   :cry:

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« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2014, 07:05:17 pm »
Update:

Apologies for it bein. Upside down. Not worth editing on my phone. Sorry!

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2014, 09:13:49 pm »
Quick update:

I've been sick the past two days, so today I decided to know out the last of my base.  All that is left is the CP and assembly.

Edit:  Back piece is the front panel, with the other three making up the back panels.  I have the two sides done from before.  I am going to buy some wood for the bracing.  Do you guys typically use 1x1"'s for that?
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« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2014, 08:57:01 pm »
Another update and questions!

Purchased items:
  • rablack Trackball
  • fortsner and flush trim bits
  • countersink bit
  • golfleafs from Ultimarc
  • ipac4 from delusional
  • misc wiring

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  • slot cutter and tmolding
  • feet and wheels, latches and hinges

Square CP - Doing some slight rounding up, the distance from the joystick to the first column of buttons is 2.5", and the space from column 1 to column 2 is 1.25".
Do you keep your button spacing about that far apart?  What do you do for distance from last/widest button to next joystick?  So from P3 button 4 to P1 joystick, what distance do you keep?

Since my CP is going to be taller than average (to keep with the actual keezer design), I am going to put the PC inside of here, and the below latching concept will keep it modular, thus portable. The original plan was to put the PC at the bottom of the base, for weight balance more than anything, so that idea is out.

I was thinking of using 1x1"s for braces for under the CP, which would fit within the base, and use latches to secure tightly.  I will attempt to sketchup this later, but most likely being done in paint :D
Does anyone have any recommendation for latches that will work with this idea?

Overall size of the CP is going to be 20x48", and square as mentioned above.  The base measures 16Dx25.5W", this was a big concession with my wife.  I plan on putting feet up front and wheels in the back.
Do you think this will look or feel top heavy?

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2014, 08:36:54 pm »
Had the day off and started assembling the base. Wood filler or bondo is probably my BFF when it's a tad cooler.


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« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2014, 05:31:19 pm »
Today was not a good day. Got some hinges to make the cp accessible, and that's all that was accomplished.

I don't know if I just can't math, or see, but not a single cut came out straight or square. Waste of a couple hours measuring, configuring, and cutting.

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« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2014, 01:45:42 pm »
Have the remaining wood pieces for the final product, and purchased 4 joysticks for the CP.

And now we wait.

Probably getting a table saw shortly.  Found a decent deal in Chandler for a used setup.  Fingers crossed.

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2014, 10:45:10 am »
Cut the top of the CP and aligned all the buttons.

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« Reply #49 on: December 14, 2014, 01:44:51 pm »
Control panel top is done. Paint, admin buttons, assembly of the CP, and final construction remains!
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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2015, 11:32:17 pm »
Gotten a lot of things hammered out since my last update.  Im using a simple version of mamep - very WMC feel to it.  I also finished the cuts to the back panel, completed final assembly of the base, and filled all the countersunk screws. 

I couldn't find a locking mechanism that worked with my design, so I decided to try a cleat system.  I have 3/4x3/4"boards glued and screwed to the bottom of base to the CP.  I fit the first two, squared it all up, then marked the next two.  I then added another 1/16" to the measurements to make sure it was all snug.  I then added some finishing wax to the cleats to reduce unnecessary friction.  It actually holds it in place well.

I painted the base a gloss black, and for the most part, its turned out well.  The black hides some of the imperfections of my woodworking craftsmanship.  There was one major setback, which was today.  I thought I cleaned the MDF top of the CP really well, but I discovered as I applied paint that there were a ton of small fibers in the paint.  I am assuming that I can do a light sanding of maybe 120 grit to remove those imperfections and add another coat or two to the CP.

Last thing I need to figure out is how Im mounting the trackball.  I'd like to do an under-mount, but need to look up the best way to make it happen.

I have made several purchases from ArcadeEmulator.net and can say I've been satisfied with everything but one communication.  Dude notice I selected the wrong number of buttons and reached out to me prior to shipping it out.  Got that resolved and everything showed up in relatively timely fashion.  If any of you guys are on instagram, I'm pretty sure I've used the #bringyourquarters for most every relevant pic.  I will post some pics up shortly.

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« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2015, 12:12:14 am »
Pics pics pics...







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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2015, 11:14:30 am »
looking good.  i havent been on the forums much lately, sorry i didn't see your question about the dimensions.  Mine is super stable at 24" square, i would think that reducing it a little would be ok...depending on how wide the top is.  if you are going with a full 48" top, and someone pushes down hard on one of the ends, i'm not sure what would happen.
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« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2015, 11:56:25 am »
Thanks for popping in man.  I haven't update in a while.  Once I get it out of the garage and into the room, I will get a better idea of how stable it is. I only have a little ways to go.

I am going to stain the CP, add the A/V connections to the rear of CP, secure the PC components to the bottom of the CP, wire the ipac, and finish trim work on the base.

I will post up some pics when I get some free time today.

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« Reply #54 on: March 04, 2015, 12:35:38 pm »
Progress pictures:












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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2015, 12:46:11 pm »
The joysticks I bought from ArcadeEmulator.net seem fine, but they are noise as hell.  I know its the cheaper-ish microswitches they ship with.  The only alternative I've found to replacing those is the http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=92&products_id=346

Anyone have any experience with these?  Are they considerably quieter?  Worth it at $.89/each if it sounds less like a cheap knock off IMO.

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« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2015, 04:37:43 pm »
looks great.  judging by the pictures, i can't imagine any stability issues with that.  wood is heavy.

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« Reply #57 on: March 04, 2015, 04:39:24 pm »
looks great.  judging by the pictures, i can't imagine any stability issues with that.  wood is heavy.

Thanks man.  The base is actually pretty light.  Its 3/4" birch plywood.  The MDF sheet used for the top and bottom of the CP is heavier than the rest of the construction.

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« Reply #58 on: March 10, 2015, 09:36:33 pm »
Basic layout


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« Reply #59 on: March 12, 2015, 11:06:32 am »
looking good
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« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2015, 11:20:28 am »
Thanks, man!  I swear when I upload the pictures they are correct in alignment, then when I hit post, they go all wonky.  Sorry about that, posting from the phone is a pita.

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Re: Keezer pedestal
« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2015, 02:08:58 pm »
The joysticks I bought from ArcadeEmulator.net seem fine, but they are noise as hell.  I know its the cheaper-ish microswitches they ship with.  The only alternative I've found to replacing those is the http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=92&products_id=346

Anyone have any experience with these?  Are they considerably quieter?  Worth it at $.89/each if it sounds less like a cheap knock off IMO.

Randy from GGG know's his stuff. I have gotten all my buttons from him and amy happy with the standard soft touch switches that come as the default when you order from him.

Welcome to team pedestal.  :cheers: 
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