BYOAC's talking dead: The Walking Dead Season 4 (Second half)

[Vigo]

Lizzie just randomly killing her sister one afternoon while sitting on the lawn is totally out of place.

It wasn't random. She was out to prove a point the only way that crazy little ---smurfette--- knew how.

Naw, she cared about her sister and understood her sister's fear of the zombies. Saved her sister from them just earlier. If she wanted to prove a point, she just would have let herself get bit (which she almost did).

[Ginsu Victim]

Are we even talking about the same show?

I think you should go back and watch that scene again, especially the part where she says she was about to kill Judith. When Carol said she couldn't even walk yet, Lizzie was like, "Oh, duh, good point."

[Vigo]

That is my whole point. The whole scene was completely out of place. Her character is normally off in crazy cloud, but at least cares about others and their well-being. If she didn't care about her sister, she probably would have just told her that everything would be alright when she was stuck in a fence with a zombie about to bite her. Pulling her away is not a normal reaction for someone who sees nothing wrong in getting bit by a zombie. Lizzie pulled her sister away, so she at least understands that her sister doesn't want to be bit and helps her sister. If Lizzie didn't care about Judith, she would have fed her to zombies like a mouse long ago, and especially in that scene when she was trying to silence Judith in the forest.

The murder scene just doesn't jive with the "Not a mean bone in her body" sentiment. Maybe something could trigger her to snap, but they didn't do anything to show that happening.

[Howard_Casto]

No it wasn't man.  She's been unstable since day 1.  I agree with Ginsu, you need to go back and watch the whole season again because you've obviously missed some stuff. 

I don't think you understand how crazy works either.  People with mental illnesses don't follow logic, not even their own.  They had all those previous scenes with her torturing animals so you would understand she is disturbed.  Pulling apart animals with no remorse or feeding live animals to something with no remorse in a child are both early warning signs of serial killers in the real world... look it up.

[Ginsu Victim]

I agree with Ginsu

Howard and I actually agree on something. That alone should be proof.

[Vigo]

feeding live animals to something with no remorse in a child are both early warning signs of serial killers in the real world... look it up.

  Ever met a snake owner? Her feeding rats to zombies was an act of compassion toward the zombies, not an act of cruelty towards rats.

They had all those previous scenes with her torturing animals so you would understand she is disturbed.

That's the problem. They just threw in tortured animals to draw a line that she is disturbed. It doesn't match her character on screen at all. Someone with no sense of remorse is not going to make the emotional attachments that Lizzie had. She was fully in touch with human emotions and communicated and cared for others quite normally. She was close and loving to Carol and her sister and interacted well with everyone else. She had a dislike of weapons and violence, and the line of crazy they drew in her acting was that she abhorred violence against zombies, as she saw zombies as still human. It doesn't draw any lines that she would wish harm on anyone unless it was necessary. She saved Tyreese and her sister's lives and it seemed her only demand was to try to live a normal life.

Those dissected animals just felt like bad, cliche writing. First, it was done by someone who knows what they are doing. Lizzie is not strike me as that smart or talented and you would have to be both to dissect an animal that well.  Not to mention, it is actually surprising that not more the kids were doing this sort of thing, given the daily trauma they were dealing with. Living in a moldy, infected jail in a post-apocalyptic world would probably lead to a number of similar creepy hobbies.

[Ginsu Victim]

Ed Gein loved his mother. Just sayin'.

[Vigo]

He was also a social outcast because of his mannerisms and his mother was equally bizarre.

[Vigo]

He was also a social outcast because of his mannerisms and his mother was equally bizarre.

Although, I suppose Carol is not quite a normal mother figure either. 

[ark_ader]

So with the latest instalment, "US" is it safe to surmise that Terminus is full of cannibals?

[DaOld Man]

Someone gave me a spoiler as to what happens to Beth in the comics. So Im thinking you may be right.

[Howard_Casto]

Well the comics aside, I saw a big bunch of steaks on that grill.... I didn't see any cows. 

[Vigo]

and were no zombies, no guards, no locks on the gate....almost too quiet....   

I am figuring it is cannibals too. The cannibal thing was pretty well done in the video game, and that lady was very over-welcoming in the same creepy way.

My back-up theory is is that it is some sort of re-population prison camp, taking off from the whole "Those who arrive, survive" slogan. It might be taking that survival attitude to a serious level where everyone is imprisoned in a community to help guarantee the survival of the human race. Possibly shipped to a secure location via steam engine.

[Rick]

The cannibal thing was pretty well done in the video game, and that lady was very over-welcoming in the same creepy way.

"That lady"?! I believe Ms. Crosby deserves a bit more respect than that!



Oh, and yeah - it's totally cannibals. Check out her 'guest appearance' on Dexter, and you'll see just how well she plays the "evil" role.

[Vigo]

  didn't even notice.

[Howard_Casto]

She was disguised pretty well. 

Back in the day I wouldn't have minded letting her..... nevermind....  too easy.

[Ginsu Victim]

"That lady"?! I believe Ms. Crosby deserves a bit more respect than that!

Look up her Red Shoe Diaries episode.... 

[DaOld Man]

I didn't know that was her. I knew the lady at the terminus place looked very familiar. I was thinking she could have been the lady who played the president on the new Battlestar Galactica, but now that you mentioned it I do think you are right. What was her name on STTNG? Tasha Yar??

[DaOld Man]

Good finale episode!
Looks like Ms Crosby has been eating very well. (I think we know what she has been eating.)

Anyone watch the Talking Dead after the show? Was that a Walking Dead arcade machine they showed right before the last commercial break?

[Howard_Casto]

I think it's apparent by that ending, that the as of now uncaptured Carol and Tyreese will play a crucial role in rescuing the group, resulting in some extreme awkwardness for Rick. 

Yeah it looked like they arcade-ified the facebook game.  So not nearly as awesome as you might think.

[RandyT]

I might as well throw my two cents in..... (don't read this if you didn't watch)


Lizzie:  No doubt she was screwed up.  But the reason she showed compassion to the zombies was because she viewed them through her own internal filter.  When she looked at them, she saw a similarity with some part of herself.  She did care about her sister, but saw her as weak and vulnerable.  Killing her so she would turn, made sense to Lizzie.  It would make her sister into something she could relate to more closely and remove her vulnerabilities.  She definitely had to go.  As for the scene with her and the baby, she was simply about to exercise some of what Carol had been teaching her, without the benefit of a moral compass.  BTW...shades of M.A.S.H. final episode

Terminus:  Lots of advertising, no customers, and meat on the barbie.  Gigantic red flag.  And the name "Terminus"?  They'd probably get more folks if they called it "Homestead" instead of using the latin word for "the end".  The meaning of "sanctuary" was also revealed.  Definitely a "shrine", based on the candles and names on the floor.  Of course there was also the statement by one of the inhabitants that the reason they welcome all comers was something to the effect of "they become part of us and make us stronger."  BTW, am I the only one who saw the stripped pile of skeletal remains they ran past?  If they were veiling the cannibalism aspect of the group, they did their best to make it easy to come to that conclusion.

So what's with the powdered milk?  The only food they had which wasn't them?

[Howard_Casto]

No we all noticed that line and the bones.  Obvious foreshadowing was obvious.  I didn't feel the need to point it out it was so obvious actually. 

The powdered milk thing is a bit iffy.  Potentially it could be foreshadowing an event where Tyreese and Carol arrived earlier and were eaten.  They have the baby and babies need milk after all.  Other than that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  If you were going to eat people you'd try to fatten them up first and powdered milk certainly wouldn't be enough to keep a grown person alive. 

I think the reason they aren't hiding the angle that much is just because anymore they take so much almost directly from the comics.  Many of the current plot lines are 5+ years old in the books, so with the prevalence of the internet, most people know what is going on.

As for the name, Terminus was the original name for Atlanta GA.  I'll agree though that it doesn't sound exactly welcoming.

[RandyT]

Heh.  Probably sounded less ominous in the context of the new railroad. 

I've never read the comics, but suspected cannibals about halfway through the season.  I also considered the "milk=baby" thing, but I couldn't see the reasoning behind sustaining her existence (obviously, from the perspective of the Terminus residents.)   The baby would have been removed from Carol's custody before they were put in the train car.  But then again, not doing so could be convenient to the storyline, so who knows.  The milk would tend to support the idea that they are already there in one form or another.

Now, I'm wondering whether they were recruited.  I don't know about Tyreese, but Carol seems pretty willing to do whatever it takes to survive.

Think everyone else in the car were fixed a plate upon arrival?

[Louis Tully]

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[CCM]

When Ringleader and Archer were talking and he said, "You saw what I did to Tyreese." What was he referring to, I can't remember?

Rick was referring to when he went berserk at the prison and beat the hell out of Tyreese.

[Howard_Casto]

I thought that line was particularly out of place and poorly written. 

"Remember all those guys I killed, and all those people I let die and what not?  Yeah me neither.  I sure feel bad about the time I beat up the black guy though."

[Louis Tully]

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[eds1275]

I thought that episode was entertaining but did not leave me hanging the way a finale should.

[Ginsu Victim]

I thought that episode was entertaining but did not leave me hanging the way a finale should.

How didn't that leave you hanging? They are in a tough spot, surrounded by cannibals. We have no clue where Tyreese, Carol, and baby Judith are (though I agree with Howard--they will probably help later).

This is not from the comics, though, so I have no clue what will happen. The only cannibals ate Dale's legs after he had been bitten, hence the "tainted meat" pic above. Otherwise, we haven't seen this play out.

[eds1275]

It just all happened too soon. Like they open the door and instantly guns and then credits. I mean it was exciting but just sort of tagged on the end of an episode. They have set the bar high for themselves and this just didn't have what I think it needed for a finale.

[Ginsu Victim]

You mean, for once, they didn't drag something out and somehow that's bad? I was happy we didn't have to wait for next season before finding out what we already pretty much knew.

[Drnick]

You mean, for once, they didn't drag something out and somehow that's bad? I was happy we didn't have to wait for next season before finding out what we already pretty much knew.

I'm with Ginsu on this 

[eds1275]

heaven forbid people disagree on the internet!

[Ginsu Victim]

heaven forbid people disagree on the internet!

We're having a discussion. No one took things too far. It's cool.