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Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« on: March 07, 2013, 01:11:20 am »
I just finished building my jukebox and it really looks nice and i love the software, and thanks to this forum i found the way to use windows7 and hide'it which it makes it looks bad ass at boot time,everything works flawless, but i need one last piese which i cant find a solution for on the net. The software has an option to connect an external USB memory, so people can download certain content, so no problem there, the thing is i don't want anyone hooking up a USB keyboard and be able to search for stuff , therefore they can get inside the system via the alt-crtl-del to bring up the task manager.
 Its there a way to change that key combination to something else?
i though about autohotket but since the juke software its shelled it wont give autohotkey a chance to start. am i right?
thanks for any help.

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How do the kiosk computers disable such thing? and it needs a way to be able to use the task manager with a secret combination when giving maintanance
« Last Edit: March 07, 2013, 01:13:18 am by abispac »

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2013, 04:41:46 am »
There is a Windows "kiosk mode"  that has features like that. You will need Windows7 professional to set it up.

Maybe this is an option? http://www.northcode.com/blog.php/2007/07/25/Securing-Windows-For-Use-As-A-Kiosk
Be sure to set up automatic logon (or the requirement to press CTRL+ALT+DEL before login) or you won't be able to login at all after that change. Note: I haven't tested this, use at your own risk :-)

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2013, 11:07:17 am »
People bring keyboards to your parties?......and plug them into your jukebox?...and press ctrl+alt+delete?

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Re: Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2013, 11:20:19 am »
People bring keyboards to your parties?......and plug them into your jukebox?...and press ctrl+alt+delete?

That was my thought as well.
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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2013, 11:32:06 am »
There is a Windows "kiosk mode"  that has features like that. You will need Windows7 professional to set it up.

Maybe this is an option? http://www.northcode.com/blog.php/2007/07/25/Securing-Windows-For-Use-As-A-Kiosk
Be sure to set up automatic logon (or the requirement to press CTRL+ALT+DEL before login) or you won't be able to login at all after that change. Note: I haven't tested this, use at your own risk :-)
this sounds like a nice solution, but after reading it, i still dont get how do i go back to normal mode, dont forget the aplication its shelled, so in order to get back to normal i have to aplly some other combination key to get the task manager and run explorer to get into windows.

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2013, 11:34:30 am »
People bring keyboards to your parties?......and plug them into your jukebox?...and press ctrl+alt+delete?
no, they dont, but i do let my  friends and relatives use my juke on their partys, there i have no controls on whether some lurkers will like to sneak inside my content. usb boot has been disable, and bios has a password, so they don have a chanse too boot a second OS via usb. all i need its to secure the acces to windows.

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Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2013, 12:17:44 pm »
This sounds like a nice solution, but after reading it, i still dont get how do i go back to normal mode, dont forget the aplication its shelled, so in order to get back to normal i have to aplly some other combination key to get the task manager and run explorer to get into windows.
So you want to disable it, but still need it yourself to access the taskmanager? Sounds like a conflict of requirements there. I mean, even if you would change the combination to something else this way there will always be a backdoor for someone to exploit.
If you're so concerned that people carry USB keyboards to hack the jukebox, I would disable the USB option alltogether.

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2013, 12:26:47 pm »
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no, they dont, but i do let my  friends and relatives use my juke on their partys, there i have no controls on whether some lurkers will like to sneak inside my content. usb boot has been disable, and bios has a password, so they don have a chanse too boot a second OS via usb. all i need its to secure the acces to windows.

Unless you have seen some history of "lurkers" doing this kind of stuff, I wouldn't worry too much about it.  The other option is to simply not let friends and relatives use it if there is that much risk.  I don't know, seems like a lot of work for something that seems unlikely to happen.

Up until recently, anyone could exit out of GameEx on my cabinet and jump straight into Windows.  The keyboard was also plugged in as I was still working on it.  Never had a single instance of anyone doing anything wrong.  (Then again, I don't know how crazy the parties in question can be.)

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2013, 01:59:07 pm »
Incredible how some users want to give other options based on their own ideas rather to help on the topic petition. I found a way to do'it, disable the keys  with the reg file has described in the link above, and if i need to update the jukebox i can just simple boot onothers via usb (since im the admin) and update the juke.
ADVICE: guys please foucus into helping on what the topic petition is rather that give opinions that had nothing to do with it. thanks for the help felsir.  :cheers:

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2013, 02:03:41 pm »
Incredible how some users want to give other options based on their own ideas rather to help on the topic petition. I found a way to do'it, disable the keys  with the reg file has described in the link above, and if i need to update the jukebox i can just simple boot onothers via usb (since im the admin) and update the juke.
ADVICE: guys please foucus into helping on what the topic petition is rather that give opinions that had nothing to do with it. thanks for the help felsir.  :cheers:

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2013, 02:05:56 pm »
Incredible how some users want to give other options based on their own ideas rather to help on the topic petition. I found a way to do'it, disable the keys  with the reg file has described in the link above, and if i need to update the jukebox i can just simple boot onothers via usb (since im the admin) and update the juke.
ADVICE: guys please foucus into helping on what the topic petition is rather that give opinions that had nothing to do with it. thanks for the help felsir.  :cheers:

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2013, 03:29:48 pm »
OK, I retract my other comment and instead will say....

Your a paranoid control freak who is way too worried about people seeing the wacked out porn you have on your jukebox.

Better?


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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2013, 03:47:49 pm »
OK, I retract my other comment and instead will say....

Your a paranoid control freak who is way too worried about people seeing the wacked out porn you have on your jukebox.

Better?

Much more likely someone selling jukeboxes who doesn't want the customers figuring out that it's a standard windows PC running free software.
Steer clear of selling to anyone who will use it in public if you're in the US.  Spies that check for tax stickers and annual music licensing abound!  8)

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2013, 06:31:00 pm »
Good point and that may be true.  I was looking at it more from a perspective of "friends and family".  If my friends and family were prone to tinkering with my stuff, I simply wouldn't let them use it. 

abispac, in all seriousness, some of the best advice can actually be someone pointing out something that may have not considered.   In this case, it begs the simple question, "Is it really worth it?"  \I would also add that there is risk involved.  When you are cursing yourself for somehow locking yourself out of your PC, you may have a different opinion.

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2013, 09:29:16 pm »
heck with USB keyboard, I'll just take HD out and lurk that way...  :banghead:
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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2013, 02:36:33 am »
OK, I retract my other comment and instead will say....

Your a paranoid control freak who is way too worried about people seeing the wacked out porn you have on your jukebox.

Better?
no im not. i just dont want them to mess my setup.  :cheers:

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2013, 02:39:08 am »
heck with USB keyboard, I'll just take HD out and lurk that way...  :banghead:
yu cant, its a jukebox,everything its inside and locked  :cheers:

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2013, 02:47:32 am »
OK, I retract my other comment and instead will say....

Your a paranoid control freak who is way too worried about people seeing the wacked out porn you have on your jukebox.

Better?

Much more likely someone selling jukeboxes who doesn't want the customers figuring out that it's a standard windows PC running free software.
Steer clear of selling to anyone who will use it in public if you're in the US.  Spies that check for tax stickers and annual music licensing abound!  8)
naaaa not the cse, and coments like this one are the ones that dont help. its this the PANDR FORUM? no, its this the GENERAL forum? no its not,it sas its the SOFTWARE forum, and users come here for SOFTWARE related help, not for ethics,or something ealse. you really had no idea but rather likes to fabricate an THIS GUY MUST BE DOING ILLEGAL STUFF HYSTORY, rather then helping. but  :cheers:

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2013, 12:38:15 pm »
Nope.  You asked how to do it.  The experts here replied that you shouldn't do it. 

Don't get mad if the answer you get isn't the one you want.  Sometimes the answer is just no.

That is the case with this.  Advice aside what you are wanting to do simply isn't possible without a physical hack.  You can't simulate ctrl+alt+delete via software at the login screen.  So if you disable ctrl+alt+delete via a registry hack you'll have to give yourself some other way to access your task manager.  If you do then this "security measure" is worthless because whatever exploit you use to allow this could be done by anyone else. 

Your only real solution is to physically block the usb ports.  I'm sure you'll come back with some sort of snide comment about that regarding allowing your users to play their own music in which case yup, the answer is no... there's nothing you can do (that will be effective anyway). 

Seriously what kind of freak would come to a party with a usb keyboard while the music is playing and interrupt said music via mucking about in windows?  People like this just don't exist, which is why everyone is assuming you are going to use this in a commercial setting. 

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2013, 12:42:10 pm »
heck with USB keyboard, I'll just take HD out and lurk that way...  :banghead:
yu cant, its a jukebox,everything its inside and locked  :cheers:

Lock is a device to keep away Honest people >:D
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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2013, 12:49:56 pm »
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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2013, 01:14:23 pm »
OK, I retract my other comment and instead will say....

Your a paranoid control freak who is way too worried about people seeing the wacked out porn you have on your jukebox.

Better?

Much more likely someone selling jukeboxes who doesn't want the customers figuring out that it's a standard windows PC running free software.
Steer clear of selling to anyone who will use it in public if you're in the US.  Spies that check for tax stickers and annual music licensing abound!  8)
naaaa not the cse, and coments like this one are the ones that dont help. its this the PANDR FORUM? no, its this the GENERAL forum? no its not,it sas its the SOFTWARE forum, and users come here for SOFTWARE related help, not for ethics,or something ealse. you really had no idea but rather likes to fabricate an THIS GUY MUST BE DOING ILLEGAL STUFF HYSTORY, rather then helping. but  :cheers:

your attitude suggests it as much as your posting, I can see why people jump to that conclusion.

that and your scenario is barely believable.

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2013, 01:28:36 pm »
heck with USB keyboard, I'll just take HD out and lurk that way...  :banghead:
yu cant, its a jukebox,everything its inside and locked  :cheers:

No such thing as cant, many moons ago me and a couple of others managed to get the actual pool table out and left it in the carpark (its a joke NOT theft if its still on the property :) ), if youre THAT worried why not keep all your songs on a really cheap touchpad or phone that people can access the songs off from your "friends and family".... or ummm... print a sticker and stick it to the machine to show where you stole/downloaded it from :) .... or errrr.... if theres nothing that youre actually worried about people seeing on there, backup the system up to a portable hard drive and let them get on with it knowing you can just put it back as it was ... or errr finally ummm ahhh .... have a dress code at your parties that doesnt include "large rectangular bits of plastic with buttons on it" / "rolled up rubber mats with buttons on it" allowed.

All the above suggestions will work, unless youre not being completely honest about why you want ctrl,alt + delete disabled, though letting other people access music illegally from a system you provided isnt the best of cover stories  :laugh2:
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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2013, 05:22:18 pm »

As hilarious as the thought of this guy showing up at a party carrying a keyboard is, I'll try to offer an alternative.

Rather than disabling ctrl-alt-del, you could instead just disable Task Manager for the user profile running your juke software. If you're really concerned about folks poking around the system, you should probably be running it under a restricted user account anyway. However, expanding upon what Howard was saying, an open usb port on any system is a gaping hole no matter how you look at it. You can lock it down all you want, but a determined, usb keyboard wielding miscreant will find a way in eventually.

That being said, if it were my system, I would add a new user account with no password (no keyboard!) and minimal rights, and run the frontend under this user. Then I would "Remove Task Manager" and "Remove Change Password" for that user. (Microsoft Management Console > Group Policy Object Editor) Then I could simply log the user off and login with my admin account (and a keyboard) for maintenance.

On second thought, if it were my system, I would just use Subsonic server. Best thing I've tried!

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2013, 02:09:42 am »
problem has been solved, i disable the task manager , that way if someone wants to  get inside, it will be more dificult for them.
i dont say someone will cut the music on the middle of a party to mess with my juke, but theres always a posibility that the day after, some smart kid will try to sneak inside to see how it works, and if they mess with my setup then i will have to work again ,maybe format the pc and start from cratch, it happened to me in the past and since this is the first time i use windows 7 to shell an aplication and that actually looks good and legit, i wouldnt want anyone mess my setup, im not worried about the music, anyone can have that, thats the point of having the usb port so if you like a song or if you win a price, yu'll just hook your usb key and get whatever youll get.
thats why i said this back again:
why to start thinking about fake tales of "this guy wants to do somenthing illegal" or " this guy its a freak" instead lets focus on the help we can provide. cheers to all ,problem solved, case close. bye bye.

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Re: Its there a way to disable ctrl-alt-del ?
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2013, 06:34:47 am »
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im not worried about the music, anyone can have that, thats the point of having the usb port so if you like a song or if you win a price,

Wasn't that the exact point some of the posters were making?????  You give prizes away at parties for your friends and family???  Hmmm.