Author Topic: The last arcade in NYC Chinatown (Read 4667 times)

RayB · « **on:** February 17, 2011, 01:45:36 pm »

http://www.scoutingny.com/?p=3570

SNAAKE · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2011, 06:09:23 pm »

ah yes CTF is the real deal and its not going anywhere. this is where arcade LEGENDS are born. pretty much any "pro" you can think of plays/played there. I used to be there every friday until cvs2 kinda died out. I still go from time to time. maybe tomorrow

TOK · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2011, 08:31:52 pm »

That is a cool looking place!

SNAAKE · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2011, 12:52:53 pm »

I heard CTF lost its lease................

not even kidding. I personally know the guy works there(henry)

amendonz · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2011, 11:01:23 pm »

this is so gay.

was planning to visit on my OE.
:'(

http://shoryuken.com/content/america-s-top-arcades-closing-down-say-goodbye-chinatown-fair-arcade-infinity-3678/

AI maybe too...

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2011, 01:26:53 am »

How does closing of an arcade equate to homosexuality?

amendonz · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2011, 01:29:50 am »

don't have friends that use slang mate?

SNAAKE · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2011, 04:43:30 am »

rent is like 10k/month.

I honestly dont know how CTF survived for years

Ive been around for like 10 years. I actually remember the first day we had 2 marvel2 cabinets. there had to be over 100 people in that place lol..

Thenasty · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2011, 12:17:08 pm »

all your fault SNAKE..... modding all consoles so players can stay home and play games for free

i still wanna learn how to mod my other xbox.

SNAAKE · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2011, 01:06:43 pm »

yeah because staying home and playing by yourself is...fun

I am also hearing that cf might relocate. thats worst case scenario. meaning there will still be an arcade.

Dartful Dodger · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2011, 03:26:25 pm »

Quote from: Xiaou2 on February 21, 2011, 01:26:53 am

How does closing of an arcade equate to homosexuality?

Not homosexual gay but, you know, 'my parents are chaperoning the dance' gay.

Epyx · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2011, 04:32:44 pm »

Funny how a word can change meaning so drastically in such a short amount of time...from once meaning simply "happy" to describing a sexual preference to now also essentially meaning the reverse of what it initially meant..something akin to "not cool". All within the space of about 40 years...

Either way cool link...here in Vancouver we have a similar arcade called "Movieland" on Granville Street in downtown. For the last 15 years it has always looked like it was "barely" hanging on and yet there it stays year after year...of course it has the pervo booths in the back but that is a whole other story...

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2011, 10:50:23 pm »

I think the problem is that the words association really didnt change from a sexual description, to a negative expression. (check definition) It pretty much came into existence from bashing homosexuals.

Probably brought on and popularized widely by South Park alone. Which is incredibly sad to see impressionable youth soak that crap up, and spreading the hate and intolerance... Even if its on an unconscious level.

There are plenty of better ways to express displeasure than using a derogatory/bashing word.

If we were using the derogatory word for African American to express a bad situation / experience... Im sure that would be flagged pretty quickly.

Racial tolerance, rights, and abuses are much better monitored and protected against. Yet sexual preference, discrimination, abuses...are not thought much about.
In reality, its the same exact thing.

amendonz · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2011, 11:00:36 pm »

to some extent i agree.

but yeh, meaning of words change.

amendonz · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2011, 11:05:27 pm »

bit of an update.

NOT GAY!

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/02/21/chinatown-fair-could-relocate-currently-renegotiating-lease/

Gray_Area · « **Reply #15 on:** February 21, 2011, 11:09:19 pm »

Quote from: Xiaou2 on February 21, 2011, 01:26:53 am

How does closing of an arcade equate to homosexuality?

Many words have more than one meaning.

Epyx · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2011, 03:12:08 pm »

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I think the problem is that the words association really didnt change from a sexual description, to a negative expression. (check definition) It pretty much came into existence from bashing homosexuals.

But by your own definition you are still calling the term late...remember the word Gay meant "Happy" long before it designated a sexual preference. Now with that said I am completely against gay bashing or its current use (implied derogatory meaning etc) and don't use it for that reason. I just find it amusing how its changed from happy to sexual orientation to its present use. My interest is purely from a historical linguistic point of view...

Mikezilla · « **Reply #17 on:** February 22, 2011, 03:32:31 pm »

Quote from: Xiaou2 on February 21, 2011, 10:50:23 pm

I think the problem is that the words association really didnt change from a sexual description, to a negative expression. (check definition) It pretty much came into existence from bashing homosexuals.

Probably brought on and popularized widely by South Park alone. Which is incredibly sad to see impressionable youth soak that crap up, and spreading the hate and intolerance... Even if its on an unconscious level.

There are plenty of better ways to express displeasure than using a derogatory/bashing word.

If we were using the derogatory word for African American to express a bad situation / experience... Im sure that would be flagged pretty quickly.

Racial tolerance, rights, and abuses are much better monitored and protected against. Yet sexual preference, discrimination, abuses...are not thought much about.
In reality, its the same exact thing.

"Lame" is the new gay anyway. Its funny how whenever someone uses the word "gay" someone ALWAYS chimes in and derails whatever the original topic was with this sort of thing.

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 22, 2011, 06:02:54 pm »

Actually, its not funny. Which is why I continue to post it.

The word Gay has Not added:

"uncool, a drag, bummer"...ect.. as a definition.

People started using it as a bashing terminology, stating that something was negative as it applies to homosexuality being negative.

Then others started mindlessly copying the term, not realizing the significance of the term.

Just because you dont realize the terms meaning, does not change the facts. It does not and still has not changed the words definition. Nor would it be correct to do so.. which is why it has not been changed.

Long ago, I was talking with a guy, and I told him that someone "Japped" on me. He Immediately corrected me. While my meaning was "no show", I never realized the truth of the word that I spit out of my mouth... which was a negative inference to Japanese.
I was partly in shock, and felt stupid that I never put it together like that before. I of course do not use that terminology anymore.

The term Gay may have been adopted and accepted by the homosexual community,
and so hey, thats ok. Its not negative, or destructive. It was never meant to be used as a derogatory term.

Just because people do not intend for a word to mean something else, such as Japped, it does not change how someone else who knows its real meaning hears it. A Japanese person knowing where it came from, would surely feel a tingle of offense, even by a close friend who mindlessly used it in a conversation.

Id love to see someone try to use the word Nazi to describe something cool/positive.
Maybe South Park creators can push the next gen of kids and teens into using it that way...

amendonz · « **Reply #19 on:** February 22, 2011, 06:14:46 pm »

Just asked the gay guy at work if he gets offended when people describe some thing negative as gay, he said maybe ten years ago he might have but know he uses it himself lol. I dunno that's just one person tho .

Epyx · « **Reply #20 on:** February 22, 2011, 07:21:23 pm »

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Id love to see someone try to use the word Nazi to describe something cool/positive.
Maybe South Park creators can push the next gen of kids and teens into using it that way...

That is still the same flawed logic...Gay never originally meant someone who prefers their own sex...it meant "HAPPY"...Nazi...always meant a member of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. While I choose not to use the word Gay to describe things I don't like out of sensitivity to homosexuals I certainly don't believe for one second that the majority of the people purposely use it offensively...I honestly do think they use it for the new meaning "uncool"...and unfortunately that is the nature of language...it changes...The N word will always mean what it means...Homosexual will always mean what it means but Gay for hundreds of years meant happy and only the last few decades did it mean Sexual preference of ones own sex...

Either way its not as apples to apples to compare it to the term Nazi for the reasons I outlined, even if I agree with you on your other points...either way the thread is derailing.

So How about those Vancouver Canucks eh?

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2011, 02:43:53 am »

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That is still the same flawed logic...Gay never originally meant someone who prefers their own sex...it meant "HAPPY"

Yes, and as Ive said, homosexuals adopted it because it was positive. Theres nothing really wrong with that.

Whats wrong, is when a word is changed into being abusive, on purpose.

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...Nazi...always meant a member of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.

You are comparing the wrong meanings. I am comparing the definition of Homsexuality, VS uncool,crap,despicable...etc. A nice "Spin" tactic, but anyone can see past that crud.

And, As Ive said, try to take something Known to be wrong and make it into a positive. It would be wrong and offensive.

Just as changing the Generally ACCEPTED, and Documented, term of "Gay" to be "Homosexuality", into a Negative and derogatory term, is wrong.

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While I choose not to use the word Gay to describe things I don't like out of sensitivity to homosexuals

Bravo. Because you too know its wrong. So its strange you defend in the opposing direction... instead of standing for proper principals. Not that Im calling you this... but thats kind of spineless.

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I certainly don't believe for one second that the majority of the people purposely use it offensively...I honestly do think they use it for the new meaning "uncool"

I agree with you there.

But I dont agree with people using that term in my presence, and I dont believe in letting that behavior go unchecked elsewhere either. If they are not aware, then they should be made aware, that its not right.

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...and unfortunately that is the nature of language...it changes...

Look, be real. The only way the Term would change from Happy to beyond its absolute Polar Opposite (abusive), AND BECOME POPULAR, is through the magic of brainwashing thats been done through the Mass Media.

While the shows intent may have been to shock a certain group of people into being more reasonable, they in fact have created the opposite effect on the other side of the fence. I have a feeling that they are in fact homosexual haters/bashers at heart.

Its a sad world indeed, that such garbage is allowed to poison the minds and hearts of the young.

(Cartoon characters for Cigarette brands? hmm, is that wrong? /sarcasm off )

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Either way its not as apples to apples to compare it to the term Nazi for the reasons I outlined, even if I agree with you on your other points...either way the thread is derailing.

Well, we can agree to disagree on certain points.
But I stand firm on my stance, even though its the most extreme example.

As for thread derailing, I could care less. There is no crime in expressing an opinion...
and there are no laws about changing topics and thread content.

And if you believe there Should be... then you are getting closer and closer to Nazi style of thinking.

For example, only One way to build a control panel... and if you deviate and are caught, you are dismembered.

Extremest points, yes. But sadly, it seems the only way to wake people up to the ridiculous attitudes that are becoming this sad reality.

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2011, 02:58:07 am »

As for the arcade, Its always sad when they close. I used to manage one for several years.

But seeing the video of countless "Me-Too" fighters in that arcade didnt do much to get any sympathy from me.

Theres maybe 3 games Id ever put a quarter into over there. The rest is a waste of space, Imop.

In NYC, the population density is so high that they can get away with it... but you put those same games in an arcade here upstate, and there wont be more than a handful of people per week... and fairly few regulars. Which is again, why arcades have pretty much closed up altogether.

There simply isnt as much originality in games today. Theres nothing that really drives people to want to get away from the home systems... let alone play something more than once. ("novelty only" games suck, and dont get repeat money)

If the industry ever starts to let creative people have full reign of control again... then maybe we will finally get our arcades back, and more popular than ever. Till then, its all down hill... and it wont be long before even the highest density locations, are closed down forever.

Mikezilla · « **Reply #23 on:** February 23, 2011, 11:31:37 am »

Quote from: Xiaou2 on February 23, 2011, 02:43:53 am

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That is still the same flawed logic...Gay never originally meant someone who prefers their own sex...it meant "HAPPY"

Yes, and as Ive said, homosexuals adopted it because it was positive. Theres nothing really wrong with that.

Whats wrong, is when a word is changed into being abusive, on purpose.

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...Nazi...always meant a member of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.

You are comparing the wrong meanings. I am comparing the definition of Homsexuality, VS uncool,crap,despicable...etc. A nice "Spin" tactic, but anyone can see past that crud.

And, As Ive said, try to take something Known to be wrong and make it into a positive. It would be wrong and offensive.

Just as changing the Generally ACCEPTED, and Documented, term of "Gay" to be "Homosexuality", into a Negative and derogatory term, is wrong.

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While I choose not to use the word Gay to describe things I don't like out of sensitivity to homosexuals

Bravo. Because you too know its wrong. So its strange you defend in the opposing direction... instead of standing for proper principals. Not that Im calling you this... but thats kind of spineless.

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I certainly don't believe for one second that the majority of the people purposely use it offensively...I honestly do think they use it for the new meaning "uncool"

I agree with you there.

But I dont agree with people using that term in my presence, and I dont believe in letting that behavior go unchecked elsewhere either. If they are not aware, then they should be made aware, that its not right.

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...and unfortunately that is the nature of language...it changes...

Look, be real. The only way the Term would change from Happy to beyond its absolute Polar Opposite (abusive), AND BECOME POPULAR, is through the magic of brainwashing thats been done through the Mass Media.

While the shows intent may have been to shock a certain group of people into being more reasonable, they in fact have created the opposite effect on the other side of the fence. I have a feeling that they are in fact homosexual haters/bashers at heart.

Its a sad world indeed, that such garbage is allowed to poison the minds and hearts of the young.

(Cartoon characters for Cigarette brands? hmm, is that wrong? /sarcasm off )

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Either way its not as apples to apples to compare it to the term Nazi for the reasons I outlined, even if I agree with you on your other points...either way the thread is derailing.

Well, we can agree to disagree on certain points.
But I stand firm on my stance, even though its the most extreme example.

As for thread derailing, I could care less. There is no crime in expressing an opinion...
and there are no laws about changing topics and thread content.

And if you believe there Should be... then you are getting closer and closer to Nazi style of thinking.

For example, only One way to build a control panel... and if you deviate and are caught, you are dismembered.

Extremest points, yes. But sadly, it seems the only way to wake people up to the ridiculous attitudes that are becoming this sad reality.

Youre so judgmental Xiaou, its really kind of laughable. Ok, so what if the meaning of the word "gay" changed to "reject" or "defective", because from nature's point of view, thats what being homosexual is right? Then what would you say? "Oh man, this new computer part I got is gay(defective) I better take it back".

Epyx · « **Reply #24 on:** February 23, 2011, 01:15:44 pm »

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Youre so judgmental Xiaou, its really kind of laughable. Ok, so what if the meaning of the word "gay" changed to "reject" or "defective", because from nature's point of view, thats what being homosexual is right? Then what would you say? "Oh man, this new computer part I got is gay(defective) I better take it back"

Im actually impressed I caught Xiaou's attention...he didn't understand what I was trying to say so ill just leave it be...everything I said was twisted with the brilliant spin only Xiaou is capable of...

I still remember a response you (Xiaou) made in one of my project threads that was completely off base to which i responded correcting you and of course you never acknowledged it...I think it was to do with my 8 way and 4 way CP setup...so it is funny you would actually use that analogy lol.

What would be really nice Xiaou if everything you said didn't sound so threatening and judgemental...Read your response to me carefully and then read my original response and note the difference both in tone and approach...you may learn something in dealing with others.

robertsig · « **Reply #25 on:** February 23, 2011, 03:12:32 pm »

Another one
http://motherboard.tv/2011/2/23/the-odd-history-and-uncertain-future-of-chinatown-fair-nyc-s-last-great-arcade

Epyx · « **Reply #26 on:** February 23, 2011, 03:21:18 pm »

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Another one
http://motherboard.tv/2011/2/23/the-odd-history-and-uncertain-future-of-chinatown-fair-nyc-s-last-great-arcade

Awesome link...very sad

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 23, 2011, 05:41:05 pm »

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Youre so judgmental Xiaou, its really kind of laughable. Ok, so what if the meaning of the word "gay" changed to "reject" or "defective", because from nature's point of view, thats what being homosexual is right? Then what would you say? "Oh man, this new computer part I got is gay(defective) I better take it back".

Well, as we can see from this type of reply, this person IS in fact an abusive type of person, with little regard to others feelings.

Natures point of View? Who is this Nature?

Why not cast that view upon yourself?

Show us all your picture, and list all your accomplishments, let us see your medical stats, tests scores...etc... and let us all decided if YOU are worthy of being here on this planet. Hows that for a 'nature' Judgment?

For all we know, you have an undiagnosed medical condition about to hit, a brain tumor developing, or mental issues that point to the fact that you should NOT reproduce, and all your family line should be terminated and or sterilized. Does this sound more like nature?

AND, if we consider that if everyone were successful rabbits, and had 10 kids each (let alone 1.. as many people have never had kids..), then we would have exhausted all of the planets resources and destroyed it beyond compare ages ago. So be thankful for people who chose not to reproduce, be it a choice, or a biological reason.

And btw - are you going to call everyone who chose not to reproduce a failure? How about all those the decided to adopt instead? (from successful reproducers who couldnt take care of their creations. Hmm... who is the worthy ones now?)

I can tell you, that while Im not homosexual or even bisexual, I do know some who are... and they were the some of the nicest people Ive ever met. Well more deserving of space on this rock than some other ignorant arrogant punks like yourself.

But hey, its all good. More than likely, there IS in fact re-incarnation... and all the bashing that you are pumping out will be returned to you, when you return as a homosexual.

upprc04 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 23, 2011, 05:59:13 pm »

I'm pretty sure there is a better sub forum for this:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/board,31.0

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 23, 2011, 06:17:49 pm »

Sure there is, but then, you would have to remove every religious and homosexual bashing comment there too right?

When somebody slaps you in the face, do you respond on the spot, or do you schedule a time and place for your reaction at a later date?

a) *Slap*
b) ouch. Heres my number. Tomorrow Im free, so I would like to slap you back then, at the local park on 5th street, behind the tall trees... preferably at noon.

Obviously, this does not involve you. Cause if it did, the concept of being shushed would not go over so well.

While my intention isnt to disrupt threads, or disturb others arcade related conversations and enjoyment of them... its bound to happen, just like in any real conversation. Thats reality.

If we cant deal and live with reality, then there Is a problem. Basically, if you dont like what I say, ignore it, dont read it, ... or block it.

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #30 on:** February 24, 2011, 10:59:08 am »

LOL @ the old-school urinal...

yotsuya · « **Reply #31 on:** February 24, 2011, 11:20:23 am »

I would love to buy an NBA Fastbreak!

yotsuya · « **Reply #32 on:** February 24, 2011, 12:00:22 pm »

I'm nowhere near Oklahoma, unfortunately.

Gray_Area · « **Reply #33 on:** February 24, 2011, 03:14:44 pm »

Quote from: Xiaou2 on February 23, 2011, 02:43:53 am

Yes, and as Ive said, homosexuals adopted it because it was positive.

No. While I'm certain there was some sentiment to spite those who had 'created' the term, homosexuals adopted it because it was becoming a cultural standard. It's a common social practice.

Quote from: Xiaou2 on February 23, 2011, 06:17:49 pm

When somebody slaps you in the face, do you respond on the spot, or do you schedule a time and place for your reaction at a later date?

We death punch 'em! Zow!!

@pinballjim: those pins are decent. That place needs carpet something fierce, though.


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