Petition to tv makers (your thoughts about that)

[SavannahLion]

Hey, everyone! Let's group hug SL and then get into a circle and sing songs around him!

Far out!


 

Get the  off my lawn!

[saurian333]

Hey, everyone! Let's group hug SL and then get into a circle and sing songs around him!

Far out!


 

Get the  off my lawn!

  

[Deadly]

There are still plenty of Chinese manufacturers selling CRT's. There are still an f-ton of tube type TV's that we can use to either replace a burned to hell tube or you can buy a Wei-ya chassis to hook up to the TV tube. We are a loooooong ways away from being CRT-less.

And FWIW LCD's on arcade machines - meh. I think they suck. My finding: for a noob never being around them they have no clue. Anyone that is familiar with a CRT will notice right away and complain.

But something no one mentioned - we need to focus on being more ecologically responsible. Those damn tubes are loaded with lead so please recycle your tubes the responsible way.

[IG-88]

But something no one mentioned - we need to focus on being more ecologically responsible. Those damn tubes are loaded with lead so please recycle your tubes the responsible way.

For Earf Day last year I threw out 3 old PC monitors, a 5 gallon bucket of alkaline batteries I'd been saving for a couple years, and poured about 20 quarts of used motor oil down the street sewer. I then turned every electrical light and appliance on I could think of just because I hate greenies   

[SavannahLion]

But something no one mentioned - we need to focus on being more ecologically responsible. Those damn tubes are loaded with lead so please recycle your tubes the responsible way.

For Earf Day last year I threw out 3 old PC monitors, a 5 gallon bucket of alkaline batteries I'd been saving for a couple years, and poured about 20 quarts of used motor oil down the street sewer. I then turned every electrical light and appliance on I could think of just because I hate greenies   

You forgot to leave your big-ass SUV running at 4AM to charge your cell phone.

[IG-88]

HEY!! Never thought of that!! I have been running it quite a bit lately too. Should be charging that up while I'm at it.

By the way, I was serious earlier.   

[DJ_Izumi]

For Earf Day last year I threw out 3 old PC monitors, a 5 gallon bucket of alkaline batteries I'd been saving for a couple years, and poured about 20 quarts of used motor oil down the street sewer. I then turned every electrical light and appliance on I could think of just because I hate greenies   

Uhh... I think there's a big difference between 'green' and 'safe disposal of hazardous waste'.

[Malenko]

for every animal they dont eat, I eat 3.

[TheShanMan]

For Earf Day last year I threw out 3 old PC monitors, a 5 gallon bucket of alkaline batteries I'd been saving for a couple years, and poured about 20 quarts of used motor oil down the street sewer. I then turned every electrical light and appliance on I could think of just because I hate greenies   

Uhh... I think there's a big difference between 'green' and 'safe disposal of hazardous waste'.

No kidding. I hate the "green movement" but that's taking it to a ridiculous extreme. I think the worst thing I do is ignore the "air quality warnings" that we sometimes get in the summer and mow my lawn anyway.

[SavannahLion]

HEY!! Never thought of that!! I have been running it quite a bit lately too. Should be charging that up while I'm at it.

By the way, I was serious earlier.  

I figured.  

eg, it's always puzzled me how a person can claim to be a environmentalist when they live in a house full of imported or old growth wood, drive a big-ass SUV, and dowse their lawns with enough pesticides to kill all wildlife in a 25 mile radius.

In California (and Nevada), there's this huge lake (Lake Tahoe) that's easily found on nearly any map. A common bumper sticker around the area (clear down to Sacramento and all the way out to Reno)  is one that reads, "Keep Tahoe Blue." Tahoe is/was known for astonishingly clear/blue water. However, up until recently the clarity has been damaged due to changes in the environment so more and more.... locals (we'll come back to that later) are sporting these bumper stickers.

Here's the problem with the "Keep Tahoe Blue" stickers and why environmentalists are some of the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

Lake Tahoe is losing it's clarity for a number of reasons, continued construction around the lake clear the trees which cause the topsoil to erode into the lake (the top soil is naturally acidic in the area so this doesn't help), increasing tourism through the area pollute the air which creates acid rain furthering the damage to the lake and lastly (and probably the least problematic) increased boating in the lake. There are other causes, but these are the primary ones. Bill Clinton banned 2-stroke engines on boats in the lake, but this only staves off the inevitable. The other primary causes, increased tourism and construction around the lake are far more damaging. So the very people who are polluting the lake by constructing huge-ass McMansion Cabins and those driving around the lake in their big SUVs or their crappy Subarus are the very same ones slapping these stickers on their cars. Hello! You are causing the pollution and you want to do what? Right.

Another example. I grew up less than a mile from a Sierra Club lodge which is one of the filthiest after spring thaw. All the other lodges go through every effort to keep their lodge (and surrounding property) clean. Yet Sierra Club members, not only do nothing to keep their lodge clean, it seems they go through extra effort to turn it into a pigsty and the proof appears after snow melt. Why the difference? A money making lodge makes their money on a clean environment. Paying tourists expect  a clean place. Sierra Club members go through the idea of, "out of sight, out of mind." I also suspect staying at the lodge is discounted (or free) for SC members which further puts them in the mindset of, "who cares? I pay my dues." Who is the better environmentalist? The money grubbing lodge owner driving their 1985 beat-to----steaming pile of meadow muffin--- gas guzzling 4x4 Chevy or the granola eating weekend warrior driving 60+ miles every weekend in their gas saving Subaru?


Don't mistake me. Personally, I think pouring used motor oil down the storm drain goes a little too far and I'd probably kick your ass for doing it. However, it's perfectly understandable. It's an extremist reaction to a bunch of other extremists trying to control every aspect of our lives by telling us we can't have homes constructed out of wood while they live in homes constructed out of rare and endangered woods.

True environmentalism is about achieving a balance between what the planet, as a whole, needs and what we need (and desire) as human beings. Dumping waste oil into a river doesn't help anybody, period. No one is going to achieve that balance if everyone keeps acting like an ---uvula---.

[Blanka]

Intel has a nice screen at the CES.
Its a 210cm diagonal square screen with a 1920x1920 resolution. Guess its perfect for this cab:

[DJ_Izumi]

They say it's a DLP projector set up for rear screen projector.  Aspect ratio isn't so much an issue with a projector since you can resize the output image to any aspect ratio you want.

[mlalena]

Now that we're talking TVs and CES, have you seen this from 2 years ago?
http://gizmodo.com/343348/confessions-the-meanest-thing-gizmodo-did-at-ces

[DJ_Izumi]

I'm guessing that from CES 2009 and beyond, demonstrators started putting a bit of black electrical tape over the IR Ports on their screens?

Kinda seems like they're being ---Deutsche Frankfurters--- though.  These guys are trying hard to make their presentations, people are trying to enjoy games, and they're turning off the TVs on'em.

[Blanka]

They say it's a DLP projector set up for rear screen projector.  Aspect ratio isn't so much an issue with a projector since you can resize the output image to any aspect ratio you want.

I know this, but my idea was to put the 2m10 LCD in there

[Deadly]

The lead these tubes contain is not healthy for anyone. That's the point ... no more no less. If I was a greenie I wouldn't drive two gas guzzling V8's 76 miles a day
Dumping motor oil in the gutters? You freakin retard. How hard is it to put your oil into a freakin milk jug and put it by the curb? Seriously people.......

Back on track - There's plenty of monitor alternatives out there. But the mentality of people that think "Wei-Ya and Jenn-shinn chassis are taiwanese crap" is inconclusive and only time will tell if these units will stand the test of time like the (for instance) K4900's and G07's.
Look in your own homes, I think you'll be suprised to see how much of your house was furnished by other countries.

[saurian333]

Dumping motor oil in the gutters? You freakin retard. How hard is it to put your oil into a freakin milk jug and put it by the curb? Seriously people.......

Are you f-ing kidding me?  I haven't lived anywhere in at least 15 years where they pick up motor oil with the regular trash.  You have find a place that will actually take it off your hands, bring it there yourself, and sometimes pay them to dispose of it.

Between that and the ridiculous price of motor oil lately, it's worthwhile just to pay the $30 or whatever to get it changed by a mechanic.

[Deadly]

Dumping motor oil in the gutters? You freakin retard. How hard is it to put your oil into a freakin milk jug and put it by the curb? Seriously people.......

Are you f-ing kidding me?  I haven't lived anywhere in at least 15 years where they pick up motor oil with the regular trash.  You have find a place that will actually take it off your hands, bring it there yourself, and sometimes pay them to dispose of it.

Between that and the ridiculous price of motor oil lately, it's worthwhile just to pay the $30 or whatever to get it changed by a mechanic.

Totally agree a person is much better off having a shop change your oil. I guess not every state /city offers motor oil pickup. Where I live we recycle - and the recycling crew picks up motor oil as well as long as it's in a plastic container clearly labeled. It's how I dispose of my ATV oil. That is not an item that is cheaper to have a shop do.  Can we get back on topic yet

[saurian333]

Can we get back on topic yet

LOL, the original topic died back on page 2.

[IG-88]

The lead these tubes contain is not healthy for anyone. That's the point ... no more no less. If I was a greenie I wouldn't drive two gas guzzling V8's 76 miles a day
Dumping motor oil in the gutters? You freakin retard. How hard is it to put your oil into a freakin milk jug and put it by the curb? Seriously people.......

You mean used motor oil is bad for the water? Doesn't it just disappear into.....that sewer place?

And what do you have against retarded people?

[saurian333]

You mean used motor oil is bad for the water? Doesn't it just disappear into.....that sewer place?

 

[SavannahLion]

The lead these tubes contain is not healthy for anyone. That's the point ... no more no less. If I was a greenie I wouldn't drive two gas guzzling V8's 76 miles a day

First off, there is a lead recovery business. According to one study, they recover something on the order of 98% of all lead from CRTs and car batteries. Even if no lead was recovered from CRTs, seeing a CRT out on the curb was a decidedly rare event up until the last five years or so when flat panels starting taking over the market.

CRTs lasted an ungodly long time. flat panels... eh not so long. So which is the better impact? A CRT that last longer than half the life span of your average human being or a LCD panel that doesn't even last long enough for your children to remember it?

Edit: On another note. Greenies have the whole automobile argument ---smurfing--- back ass wards. Is the answer really to get more gas efficient cars on the road so we can have three or four times as many of them? Those environmentalist jackasses have done virtually everything to impede the development and construction of a what really counts. High speed trains come to mind. Greenies are more than willing to give millions of children asthma in order to save a two square mile patch of land for a frog no one else gives a flying rats ass about.

[DJ_Izumi]

Is the answer really to get more gas efficient cars on the road so we can have three or four times as many of them?

I'm actually pretty certian that the driving force behind more fuel efficent cars and electric hybrid development is not the 'greenies' but the people who pay for the gas at the pumps.

[SavannahLion]

Is the answer really to get more gas efficient cars on the road so we can have three or four times as many of them?

I'm actually pretty certain that the driving force behind more fuel efficent cars and electric hybrid development is not the 'greenies' but the people who pay for the gas at the pumps.

Greenies have been pushing for more fuel efficient cars for years.

When alternate automotive designs were the norm (look up Porsche), the push was to get cars that ran on the cheapest fuels available, be it electricity, gas, oil, kerosene, whatever. At some point, gasoline became the fuel of choice (why is a matter of debate but one of the reasons seemed to indeed be low cost) the other methods of power fell by the wayside.

What happens between then and sometime around the '60s is a bit of a mystery to me, but there is something that definitely happened around the 60's or so. Greenies really started to push fuel efficient cars, going so far as to force governments to research alternative fuel engines.

Here's the thing. If the increase in sales of fuel efficient cars is genuinely powered by the American Dollar, then why pass laws to require more fuel efficient cars when people are already buying them? (As evidenced by the massive increase in rice burners.) Then there's the decidedly painful law to forcibly change the engine/transmission designs in small/medium pickups and the repeated attempts to remove them from the market entirely? (I don't care what anyone says, Obama ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up in this regard.)

Seriously, why remove an insanely popular class of vehicle from the market entirely? Here the American Dollar is speaking and yet it's the damn Greenies that want to get rid of them and stuff us into a piece of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- Cannoli. (Five points if you get the reference.)

Go ahead and offer a gas efficient pickup and see how well it sells. If the "new" truck is genuinely better, people will buy them. No need for the law.

I'm not knocking gas efficient cars. They have their place and their success if clearly measured. All the way back to the original electric powered cars, the Gremlin, the insanely popular VW Bug and even the modern Smart all have their place. Just stop trying to pass silly environmental laws to force everyone to drive them when not everyone wants or needs them.

[saurian333]

While we're on the topic, I'd like to point out that my '95 LeSabre (a beast of a car, if you're not familiar) gets better mileage than most current cars half its size (hybrids excluded).  That little sportster that Saturn put out a few years ago (can't remember the name) had a rating of 23 HWY.  That's pathetic for such a tiny vehicle.

Anyway, while the "green" movement has been pushing for alternative fuel/fuel efficient cars for much longer, it wasn't until recently when consumers actually wanted them (to save $$ at the pump) that manufactures responded, so I'm inclined to agree with DJ_Izumi.  As for the "greenies," the whole concept only works if and when the vast majority of vehicles on the road are more efficient.  Until then, it's just a sort of badge of honor for them.

On that note, I'd like to paraphrase Jay Leno on that subject:  In this country, we like to advertise our charitable deeds.  In this case, a person can buy a Prius and drive around saying, "Look at me, I drive the ugliest car on Earth...look at the sacrifice I make to protect the environment."

[DJ_Izumi]

Anyway, while the "green" movement has been pushing for alternative fuel/fuel efficient cars for much longer, it wasn't until recently when consumers actually wanted them (to save $$ at the pump) that manufactures responded, so I'm inclined to agree with DJ_Izumi.

I switched to CFLs for lighting where I could soon after living in an apartment without hydro included.  The first bi montly electrical bill had me going '...So... Save 75% on lighting... Huh?'  Especially as it was a basement so it needed the lighting a fair bit.

Alternative fuels are an inevitability now anyway, namely cause in 20 years oil is going to become a lot more scarce and a hell of a lot more expensive.  It's just inevitable at this point.