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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2003, 12:07:29 am »
Seriously, I might buy something like this just to save time.  I had fun building my cab, but man was it a pain in the butt!  And if I hadn't been unable to find work for a solid month, there's no way I would be able to find the time to build another.  When I have a house with more room, I'd like to have 4-8 mame cabs/ original games, and I doubt I'll really have time or desire to spend weeks or months buiding each one.

Think about it: what are the alternatives?  Gut a classic cab and MAME it?  Blasphemy!  Get an empty cab (probably used) from your local amusment supplier for $100-$300?  You've still got to find a way to haul it home, clean it out, fix it up, fumigate, etc...  How about a finished cab from Hanaho for $3000+?  Too steep for home gaming.  Build your own?  Buying materials, designing, measuring and cutting is 75% of the work (maybe even 90%.)

Having already built a cab from scratch, I'd rather have something delivered to my door that I can put together in a few hours.  I'm not above paying for convenience.  And the product is pretty decent, considering what some companies offer for $1000 (arcade bookshelf anyone?  ;) )

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2003, 12:12:28 am »
Ok, First off, Profit from Raw Materials and Net Profit after all expenses is not the same thing, My example was purely of raw materials, not including time, labor etc.  There should be very little labor, as these are shipped unassembled, the buyer is the one who will spend two/three hours assembling so theres no cost there.  In fact, the only cost besides raw materials will be the use of the machine (again, unless they have free access, or own a machine) and then packaging.  Other costs will be Quality Assurance, and if these is done, there should be little loss of profit from warrenties.

So, I am well aware that it cost money to rent use/time of a CNC Mill, however there are several other routes as well.  Mills are no longer the expensive price they used to be, one can be had for less then the price of a new car.  If you own your own mill, then cost of manufacturing/cutting is not a factor save the maintenance of the machine and the electric bill.  Also, if you do have something milled for you, they usually either charge you for a run of them (cheaper that way) or for the time the machine runs, if the design can be manufactured quickly that reduces the cost as well, i.e. simple designs are cheaper to do then complex designs.

Ive had very complex designs milled on the sides of computer cases for less then 50 Dollars a pop, and these were very complex.  I will even give the benefiet of the doubt, and say it costs 100 dollars to cut each cabinet.  Now, aside from Transportation, that increases the cost of the cabinet to $435, thats a bit closer to the average of 200% Markup on the low volume market, but it is still not a "tempting" offer, for the fact that you could build the same thing for less then half the cost (assuming you have tools to build), and if you dont have tools, then you can still build it for just over half the cost, and then have tools that you can use for other reasons.  Either way the cost is prohibitive as their is too much "left" out, no CP, no Monitor

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Now... as for Brax's request, ill take it.  :)

The Faults we so easily find with premade/ready to assemble cabinets is not because we would rather build our own.  You fail to realize that majority of us build our own to save money, This means that when we can build one for only $400, or buy one for $1000, then naturally you are going to note all the reasons that you should save your money and build it yourself.  You can call these faults, but until there is availible a pre-cut Cabinet at least /close/ to the cost for the average joe to build they will remain reasons.  As for noone complaining because of it, the reason is, when people imagine an arcade, there are specific perameters that come to mind.  If they do not some into your mind then you obviously have not spent enough time in a real arcade.  A design must be functional, comfortable as well as aesthetic.  Since the Midway cabinet meets all three of those criteria, there is no reason to complain about the design.

True that there has been no impartial review, but the review will only tell us about the quality of the construction, something that even if poorly done, can be remedied with a drill and some screws.  So, what true use does a review serve, other then to tell you something that you could have figured out by looking at the pictures of the cabinet.

First off, no I dont think anyone would have "beaten them to the punch" as most of us are not doing this to make a profit, thus we have not searched for deals on milling, cutting, or any such venture.  However, do you honestly think Slick Stik is naive enough to pay $400 Dollars each to have the cabinets cut?  Come on man, be serious.  Why dont you call around, see how much it would be to cut a cabinet on a Mill, tell them how many cuts you'll need, dimensions, and how many holes youll need, and see how much it costs each if you wanted to do say.. 100 or more.  I think you'll be suprised at how inexpensive it comes out to each one.

Noone said they should be sold for only $400, the point was that there is no reason for them to cost nearly a thousand dollars for jut the empty casing, no CP, no Monitor, no Computer... Nothing but the wooden case and some metal brackets....

Since Christian seems a bit preturbed about our abviously uneducated and outlandish assumptions of how much it costs to have a cabinet manufactured... why doesnt he offer some sort of price list, materials and overhead.  This way, when people see that he is only getting a $35 profit, they will be more willing to help him feed his 7 hungry children... you know, as a gesture of good will.  :)

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2003, 12:33:45 am »
ok, nm. i looked back at the xarcade and it is butt @$$ ugly. but i did use the shelf idea. but i really think mine is far less tacky.
i just have no desire for a coin door. it doesnt appeal to me in the slightest.

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2003, 12:42:54 am »
Well, no one knows how many they're selling, so you can't really assume theyr'e getting a given price break.  They may have put down the cash for their own CNC system for all you know and those can't be cheap.  Also, how much would it cost you to have someone cut out a cab on a CNC?  A lot.  I know that if you have Home Depot put in an order for a custom cabinet cut, they want something like $10/linear foot.  That means one side of a 3x6' cab costs about $180, and that doesn't even include the wood.  I know they're sending it to a 3rd party so there's extra markup involved, but even if you can find out who does their work, I'm sure the cost doesn't go down more than 30%.  Most people opt to cut it out themselves to save money, but then you have to figure what that time would cost if you were paying for labor.  Or to think about it another way, how much money would you be getting if you spent the same number of hours at work?  Your time is worth something, and unless you spend every weekend for a couple months grinning from ear to ear despite the sawdust in your teeth, there is value in having some of the work done for you.  Peace.
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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2003, 02:47:36 am »
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By looking at all these posts (mostly positive) I would say you are speaking on your behalf only, and not for the rest of the crew. If you want to discuss how cheap you can build the same cab for, which I highly doubt, then that’s fine but there is no need to be a wise guy.

While I am not at liberty to disclose our manufacturing costs, I can assure you that the profit margin is well under the 200% from which you say it is. I would be willing to bet that the last head of lettuce you bought at the supermarket had more of a profit margin than our cabs do.

Fact is fact, our cabs are manufactured to the highest quality standards, can be disassembled, unlike ones which you might purchase at an arcade auction and have a spiffy classic design.

Oh and by the way, a good CNC machine that is able to change router bits on the fly and have a big enough swing arm to rotate around the full side of an arcade machine costs way more than a car, I would say its more cheaper than a house.  
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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2003, 03:37:03 am »
Personally I think comparing DIY cabinets or conversions to Christian's cabinet is apples to oranges.

A fairer comparison would be designing your own and then taking the blueprints to a cabinet shop. From my experience with custom cabinetry, the quote you'd get would be in the ballpark of Christian's asking price.

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2003, 07:08:11 am »
ok i gotta jump in with a slightly OT....

what does everyone hate about the xarcade cab ? no coindoor? the shelves? ???

It looks bad, the layout is bad, and it would require some fair degree of "hacking" to fit any controller other than the X-arcade.

What I especially despise is the control panel -- it's got this cutout for the X-arcade (not in itself a bad thing), but then it has to have extra "hand hole" cutouts on each side of where the X-arcade would mount so that you can reach in and touch the side-mounted pinball buttons!  :P

It's a bookshelf disguised as an arcade machine, methinks...

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2003, 10:32:10 am »
Two most active posters on any slikstik thread...

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Odd. Very Very Odd. Oh, and comparing OSCAR to Christian is kind of unfair. OSCAR helps people out so much (both on and off the site) that he COULD start selling cabinets built EXACTLY to Lusids specs, and no one would meep.

If you have to ask why, you will most likely never understand.

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« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2003, 11:26:52 am »
Two most active posters on any slikstik thread...

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Odd. Very Very Odd. Oh, and comparing OSCAR to Christian is kind of unfair. OSCAR helps people out so much (both on and off the site) that he COULD start selling cabinets built EXACTLY to Lusids specs, and no one would meep.

If you have to ask why, you will most likely never understand.

Sheesh, you really are on some sort of witch-hunt, aren't you?  ::)

You're right about Oscar, however -- he's been a great help to many people here, and that's built-up a lot of goodwill. Christian, apparently, has not. But to rag on Christian's products like some here have, down to trying to "micro-manage" the pricing, is pretty harsh, IMHO.

You know what, you've implied I'm a shill a number of times, and frankly I'm getting sick of it. My record's out in the open, my relationships with SlikStik and Oscar Controls (and Ultimarc, and X-Arcade, etc.) are out in the open. Frankly, put up or shut up.

I follow the SlikStik posts because I happen to own one. (Look around, I happen to post in a lot of topics).

Now go get a life and lay off the "SlikStik-kevsteele" crap...

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2003, 11:55:59 am »
Two most active posters on any slikstik thread...

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SlikStik-kevsteele

Odd. Very Very Odd. Oh, and comparing OSCAR to Christian is kind of unfair. OSCAR helps people out so much (both on and off the site) that he COULD start selling cabinets built EXACTLY to Lusids specs, and no one would meep.

If you have to ask why, you will most likely never understand.

Oscar, i bet your head is swollen now  :o
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« Reply #50 on: July 22, 2003, 01:02:21 pm »
Dear SlikStik-kevsteele,
  As you yourself observed earlier in this thread, you ARE starting to sound more like an salesman with every post. I believe though, that a more correct term would be SlikStik's Official Unofficial Apologist. And I mean Apologist in the classical, dictionary sense. Of course, if this were a prison or a schoolyard, there would be an entirely different term used to describe your relationship. However, that word isn't really appropriate for these forums.

I assume this is what you meant when you asked me ever so kindly to "put up"?

Three cheers for put-ing!

I'm done on this thread, btw :) Have at me.

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« Reply #51 on: July 22, 2003, 01:18:59 pm »
Dear SlikStik-kevsteele,
  As you yourself observed earlier in this thread, you ARE starting to sound more like an salesman with every post. I believe though, that a more correct term would be SlikStik's Official Unofficial Apologist. And I mean Apologist in the classical, dictionary sense. Of course, if this were a prison or a schoolyard, there would be an entirely different term used to describe your relationship. However, that word isn't really appropriate for these forums.

You really are a master of the cheap shot and low blow, aren't you?

I assume this is what you meant when you asked me ever so kindly to "put up"?

Three cheers for put-ing!

I'm done on this thread, btw :) Have at me.

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« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2003, 02:45:42 pm »
1. Christian and Kevin have every right to post here.
2. EVERYONE is tired of users being personally attacked in this public forum.
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It is my decision that you may not post for 3 days. You must also make Kevin BELIEVE you are sorry via email or IM. This is your final warning. Next time your account will be banned and deleted.

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« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2003, 02:52:12 pm »
Not at liberty to disclose manufacturing costs, thats cute...

I just find it cute, because if you goto the omnicient Google and type CNC Mill "For Sale", for some reason... suddenly it becomes appearent that you can purchase a mill for less then 20,000 naturally they are usually refurbished, or used, but the point is one can be had without spending a lot, and most NICE cars are 20-50 thousand... So I stand by my statement, if you choose to spend an ubsurd amount of money getting your things cut, then the reason you have a low profit percentage is poor decisions on your part.

Now, I have yet to say that people shouldnt buy your Cabinet, something you are slowly convincing me I should say, not because of quality reasons, but because of the obvious bad business decisions, and poor customer relations.  I merely stated that they ARE overpriced, which point blank they are, and that if you didnt have the money to buy one, then you can simply exercise your right not to buy one, which is the very core of capitalism my friend.

So, you may not be able to tell us manufacturing costs, (yeah, whatever...) but I know you can tell us your gross profit.  So, what is it?  Why should we choose your cabinet over other options?
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« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2003, 03:31:33 pm »
Not at liberty to disclose manufacturing costs, thats cute...

I just find it cute, because if you goto the omnicient Google and type CNC Mill "For Sale", for some reason... suddenly it becomes appearent that you can purchase a mill for less then 20,000 naturally they are usually refurbished, or used, but the point is one can be had without spending a lot, and most NICE cars are 20-50 thousand... So I stand by my statement, if you choose to spend an ubsurd amount of money getting your things cut, then the reason you have a low profit percentage is poor decisions on your part.

Now, I have yet to say that people shouldnt buy your Cabinet, something you are slowly convincing me I should say, not because of quality reasons, but because of the obvious bad business decisions, and poor customer relations.  I merely stated that they ARE overpriced, which point blank they are, and that if you didnt have the money to buy one, then you can simply exercise your right not to buy one, which is the very core of capitalism my friend.

So, you may not be able to tell us manufacturing costs, (yeah, whatever...) but I know you can tell us your gross profit.  So, what is it?  Why should we choose your cabinet over other options?

LOL, I am not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.
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« Reply #55 on: July 22, 2003, 03:32:51 pm »
1. Christian and Kevin have every right to post here.
2. EVERYONE is tired of users being personally attacked in this public forum.
3. You have been warned before IIOIOOIOO.

It is my decision that you may not post for 3 days. You must also make Kevin BELIEVE you are sorry via email or IM. This is your final warning. Next time your account will be banned and deleted.

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« Reply #56 on: July 22, 2003, 03:43:17 pm »

So I stand by my statement, if you choose to spend an ubsurd amount of money getting your things cut, then the reason you have a low profit percentage is poor decisions on your part.

Now, I have yet to say that people shouldnt buy your Cabinet, something you are slowly convincing me I should say, not because of quality reasons, but because of the obvious bad business decisions, and poor customer relations.  I merely stated that they ARE overpriced, which point blank they are, and that if you didnt have the money to buy one, then you can simply exercise your right not to buy one, which is the very core of capitalism my friend.

So, you may not be able to tell us manufacturing costs, (yeah, whatever...) but I know you can tell us your gross profit.  So, what is it?  Why should we choose your cabinet over other options?

For some reason that even I don't truly understand, I have the overwhelming compulsion to ask the obvious question:

WTF are you talking about in that last post Dude?!?  Poor business decisions?  Where, when?  What evidence do you have of any poor business decisions on his part?

I've got news for you, the "core of capitalism" is the free market my man.  And the market will decide on our friend's cabs.  If the market judges that they're overpriced then he'll have to lower the price or he won't sell them.  If his costs are out of line (too high) then he won't be able to drop the prices and he'll just have to drop the product altogether.  On the other hand, if his margins are as fat as you and some others think they are, and he finds a way to sell good volumes anyway, then he'll make a lot of money until someone comes along to compete with him on price.

As I said before, I don't see anyone else out there willing to sell these things to his spec at $1,100 a pop, much less $400, $500, $600, etc.  It's really hard to call a product overpriced when there's no one else apparently willing or able to undercut the price!

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« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2003, 04:18:03 pm »
Poor Business Decision = Paying an ubsurd amount of money to have something milled, when it can be done for much much less elsewhere, i.e. Not researching availible options, not doing any homework...

Sorry if I didnt make that clear enough for you Tommy Boy, I didnt realize I needed to speak in such little words.  

Capitalism - The very core a free market, and a free market is a place where people can introduce a product at any price they want, but due to this same free market, it is ultimately the consumer who decides if a product survives.  Naturally Market competition is the normal comparision for a company to judge their costs, i.e. how much to allow for overhead, how much to mark up, and how much to target the price for the consumer.  Unfortunantly, in this case there is not enough of a "Market" to be able to do competition research, which means that the comparision must be done on cost to build the goods.  I.E. The cost to buy should be wieghed by the cost to build, and since the cost to build such a cabinet is nowhere near the asking price, it is obvious that the offer is neither cost effective for the cosumer, nor of any great benefit.  Meaning that quite simply, for the average consumer it wont be ever considered as an option.


Now, since we are on this economics lesson, re-read all posts in this thread, and you will find a quick quote of what the cabinet /should cost/.  Though in reality, if this is a business, then the actual cost should be cheaper due to purchases made in bulk, or business accounts recieving discounts, etc etc etc.  You also have to remember that since it is resale, there is no tax paid on the supplies to build (except tools and such, any such things that will not be for resale).  Now, you can claim all you want, but it is painfully obvious that Either Christian is a complete moron (in the business sence) or he is a liar, either way, it is obvious this is not a company that a consumer should place any trust in, much less any money.

Now, should I make these words any smaller for you Tommy, I dont want to confuse you or anything, as it is quite appearent that you are already drowning.

As for Slik Stick, it is quite appearent to me now of the mentality we are dealing with, so i wont even take the time to continue on about them, its painfully obvious the type of people they are. Oh, I wasnt being mean to Slik Stik, I was simply trying to give the average consumers initial views about what is offered, with the responce I have been given here it is quite appearent that we are not dealing with intelligent people, in fact, I had put aside all reservations and ignored the bad things I have heard about them.  Unfortunantly, it would appear that those accusations are correct, and I stand in awe.  It is amazing at just how vacuous some peoples truly are...  
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« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2003, 04:44:40 pm »
......  Naturally Market competition is the normal comparision for a company to judge their costs, i.e. how much to allow for overhead, how much to mark up, and how much to target the price for the consumer.  Unfortunantly, in this case there is not enough of a "Market" to be able to do competition research, which means that the comparision must be done on cost to build the goods.  I.E. The cost to buy should be wieghed by the cost to build, and since the cost to build such a cabinet is nowhere near the asking price, it is obvious that the offer is neither cost effective for the cosumer, nor of any great benefit. ....

I think there is a little flaw there....
plz feel free to correct me if I'm wrong....
I'm a pgrmmer... not a economist..... haa haa...

but if there's no "market" aka "competition" for your product....
in simple economic term... this is call.... "MONOPOLY"....
that means, you own the market and you set your rules....

Again, if anyone thinks that its expensive, they are free not to buy from them....... (and I don't think anyone here has the right to tell them that they've set the price too high....)

also, I don't think anyone here has the right to ask them to disclose profit margins.... (and it doesn't matter they're making 5% or 1000%...) if you don't feel comfortable, don't buy.... period...

if they deliver something that is bad.... in my terms, bad means, it doesn't fit well together... quality is bad, doesn't look good, they said it has certain quality and came out it doesn't.... then feel free to bash all you want.... but plz stop bashing on their selling price... cos its pointless.... if you can't afford it... save up....

I really think this is UNFAIR.....
Christian might be less popular / friendly / helpful than some other guys here....
but that doesn't mean their product should be bashed like this....








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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2003, 05:14:32 pm »
Amra,

We did not post our news in this forum to get into a mudslinging fest with the hardcore do-it-yourselfers. We simply posted it because we have a good product at a fair price point and we know from our experience as the makers of THE Best commercial control panel available that there is a market for it. Many people have priced out panel parts and looked at the amount of time involved and have decided that it is easier and more feasible to buy our panels.

The same economics that were used to decide how to price our panels were used to price our cabs, we look at the cost of materials, the labor involved, overhead, and then we look at how much time it will save a busy person that earns 30 - 60 dollars per hour, hence if it saves that busy person 24 - 140 hours of labor then it is a good deal to that target market. Ten hours of that customers time is worth $300, free time is worth twice that because it is at a premium, and that
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« Reply #60 on: July 22, 2003, 05:21:08 pm »
No the cab is great!  I don't think anyone has a problem with it.  It's the price associated with it.  :)  For the price most people would expect something either a tad more "complete" or a tad more original.  I happen to like the luscid design (which is also based literally on the mk2 cab, you took what I said the wrong way christian) but I also happen to know that it's a basic enough design that anyone with decent woodworking skills could whip out in no time.  


Quality is also way up there. There is no doubt it's a great cab..... if you'll look back at the posts, most of them simply say that it's not worth the price.  That doesn't mean that it's bad, that just means that it's not 1000$ worth of goodness to most people.  :)  

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« Reply #61 on: July 22, 2003, 05:43:14 pm »
No the cab is great!  I don't think anyone has a problem with it.  It's the price associated with it.  :)  For the price most people would expect something either a tad more "complete" or a tad more original.  I happen to like the luscid design (which is also based literally on the mk2 cab, you took what I said the wrong way christian) but I also happen to know that it's a basic enough design that anyone with decent woodworking skills could whip out in no time.  


Quality is also way up there. There is no doubt it's a great cab..... if you'll look back at the posts, most of them simply say that it's not worth the price.  That doesn't mean that it's bad, that just means that it's not 1000$ worth of goodness to most people.  :)  

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« Reply #62 on: July 22, 2003, 05:45:50 pm »
No the cab is great!  I don't think anyone has a problem with it.  It's the price associated with it.  :)  For the price most people would expect something either a tad more "complete" or a tad more original.  I happen to like the luscid design (which is also based literally on the mk2 cab, you took what I said the wrong way christian) but I also happen to know that it's a basic enough design that anyone with decent woodworking skills could whip out in no time.  


Quality is also way up there. There is no doubt it's a great cab..... if you'll look back at the posts, most of them simply say that it's not worth the price.  That doesn't mean that it's bad, that just means that it's not 1000$ worth of goodness to most people.  :)  

I just figured I would post this pic here, just incase you wanted to see it again  ;)

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« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2003, 06:07:17 pm »
And can we have the price again and how do we order one TODAY?

Juuuuuuuuuuust 3 EZ payments of $333.3333333333333333333!

Heh, sorry but you always seem to come off as "marketing by K-Tel."  ;)
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« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2003, 06:17:02 pm »
ok i gotta jump in with a slightly OT....

what does everyone hate about the xarcade cab ? no coindoor? the shelves? ???

The cabinet, it's a glorified bookshelf.

Ok, to everyone else.  If you don't like it start your own business making cabinets ;)

Also, I expect everyone here with how frugal they sound are tightwads. You make your own soda (which is about $0.20 a can, I make my own rootbeer once and awhile), you build your own computers, you build your own beds (matress and all), you build your own furniture, etc...  Building something yourself will always cost less then buying.  And those who listed parts, you missed alot of stuff.

I don't here you guys complaining about the dotron spinner being overpriced when you could make your own simular thing for much less.  

Ok, my opinion on the product.  It's cool, very well done.  I think it is a little over-priced, I wouldn't pay over $850 for something that didn't have a control panel or monitor.  Control panel seperate adds alot of extra cost when compared to a cabinet that comes with a CP.  With your products we are talking an extra $500 added on (average).  Then the monitor and so forth.  It does get very expensive quickly.  You should offer a bundle package or something.

Second, the hole for the CP cables is sort a small.  Did you design this to work for your CPs?  How are they attached, do they just sit on the cabinet?  If they just sit (which it looks like) you may want to look into a way of securing the CP.  That also ensures the CP stays centered.

Note, the ArcadeWerks is almost the same, just no coindoor, for $600.
http://www.hanaho.com/products/ArcadeWerX/Ultra/index.html
So $1000 is definately overpriced for what you get. compared to the competition.
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« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2003, 06:30:35 pm »
Don't normally get involved in posts like this, but several people here seem to be rather harsh.

Okay some people may be able to make a cabinet for less, some may not. Some may want to build their own cabinet, some may not.

How I see it, is that this offers another option into owning an arcade cabinet. If it meets your needs and you

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« Reply #66 on: July 22, 2003, 06:33:14 pm »
Well I'm all for buying one, but the price has to drop. I think most of the people here have made good points. If nothing else I applaud the fact the there is a company that is making a full game system. Unfortunatly, even with no wood skills whatsoever I  more tempted to build my own for that price. It might not look as professional (that could be debated) but I think I would have much more pride in the fact that I built it.  I do realize that slikstik is not trying to compete with the homebuilders here and I'm sure they'll be a big hit.


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« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2003, 06:41:32 pm »
Well,

I would have to agree with everyone else when they say "If you don't like it, don't buy it."  

Christian:  I wish you the best of luck with your product. If it's as good as your company states, it will sell itself.   ;D

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« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2003, 07:25:34 pm »
Amra,

We did not post our news in this forum to get into a mudslinging fest with the hardcore do-it-yourselfers. We simply posted it because we have a good product at a fair price point and we know from our experience as the makers of THE Best commercial control panel available that there is a market for it. Many people have priced out panel parts and looked at the amount of time involved and have decided that it is easier and more feasible to buy our panels.

The same economics that were used to decide how to price our panels were used to price our cabs, we look at the cost of materials, the labor involved, overhead, and then we look at how much time it will save a busy person that earns 30 - 60 dollars per hour, hence if it saves that busy person 24 - 140 hours of labor then it is a good deal to that target market. Ten hours of that customers time is worth $300, free time is worth twice that because it is at a premium, and that
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« Reply #69 on: July 22, 2003, 07:46:45 pm »
SirPoonga,

We have seen the Hanaho cab, $599.95 for the cab, $199.95 for the stand to make it the size of our cab, it's made of melamine not covered in formica, add $100 for material and labor there, add a happ coin door and we think we are right in line with that pricing no? And I have to admit, if I had to choose between that cab that fits a 25" monitor and our cab which fits a 27" monitor, and between the looks of the SlikStik cab and that one, I would happily pay the $100 difference in price to get the SlikStik cab.

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« Reply #70 on: July 22, 2003, 08:24:22 pm »
SirPoonga,

We have seen the Hanaho cab, $599.95 for the cab, $199.95 for the stand to make it the size of our cab, it's made of melamine not covered in formica, add $100 for material and labor there, add a happ coin door and we think we are right in line with that pricing no? And I have to admit, if I had to choose between that cab that fits a 25" monitor and our cab which fits a 27" monitor, and between the looks of the SlikStik cab and that one, I would happily pay the $100 difference in price to get the SlikStik cab.

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That box is not $200!!!  Pplus if oyu just added that height to the cabient anyway it would be coming from the same sheet of material, essentially getting that height for free with not as much waste.  The Werkz could be cheaper too because of that :)  Plus just adding that extra bit on tot he cabinet instead of an addon is going to make it cheaper anyway.  With that said It shouldn't be $1000 to make what you make.  And the difference in monitors isn't going to cost an extra $100 in materials.  so you could make something much better and not cost much more than $600.

Again, basically a $400 difference in something that is very simular.

Melamine is that much more expensive then formica?  Formica doesn't cost that much, I have alot of it :)

My point being is you could still make what you make for $800 to the consumer which I said is reasonable since it is put together quite well.
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« Reply #71 on: July 22, 2003, 08:49:37 pm »
Hanaho sells the 10" stand for $199.95, our units use black melamine on the inside faces and black formica on the outside faces. Formica is about $30 per sheet, the cab uses 2 sheets and it does not just jump onto the cab when we bring it into the shop :)

That cab was your comparison not mine :) all I did was show you that it is not such a bargain compared to ours.


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« Reply #72 on: July 22, 2003, 08:54:09 pm »
I think people are making a mistake to be comparing what YOU can make a cab at home for, to what a manufacturer has to pay to make one.  Your savings come in labor/profit.  Without these two things, it's impossible/not worth it to make the product.  Yeah, we can all make a cab for the cost of materials and our time, which is free, but once it's gone it's gone.

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« Reply #73 on: July 22, 2003, 09:03:17 pm »
There is no "Labor" involved in cost here, you assemble this product at home, either way YOU are the one whose time ends up gone, not theirs...  Thus "Labor" is not a factor in the cost of this cabinet (unless you want to consider packaging Labor, which im sure takes an hour or two at least, but labor cost for packaging is not even comparable to labor per hour for a master craftsman...)

It just depends on how you look at it I suppose :)
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« Reply #74 on: July 22, 2003, 09:08:25 pm »
That cab was your comparison not mine :) all I did was show you that it is not such a bargain compared to ours.


My point is it doesn't cost $400 to add to the Werks that extra 10", the coin door, and the extra couple of inches to width for the manufacturer.  It's all coming from the same sheets of material.  So adding the width and height is just moving the cut.  That's not an extra $200 to create the cabinet that way.


you are doing the marketting comparison, I am doing a manufacturing comparison.  So my point is to turn the werks into your cabinet is not $400 worth of manufacturing.  You can make your cabient cheaper than $1000 down to the $800 which is a much more reasonable price.

Yes, with what I can purchase as a consumer from Hanaho the price is close (except when you add a cp).  
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« Reply #75 on: July 22, 2003, 09:28:32 pm »
That's not an extra $200 to create the cabinet that way.

I think they're trying to say that it costs $200 to buy the 10" extension stand for the Hanaho cab (according to the Hanaho web site), not that it would cost SlikStik $200 to add 10" (most likely much less  ;) )

http://arcadewerx.com/Ultra/options.html

In other words, the Hanaho DIY cab ($600) + Hanaho 10" stand ($200) = $100 less than the SlikStik "lite" cab.

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« Reply #76 on: July 22, 2003, 09:35:27 pm »
That's not an extra $200 to create the cabinet that way.

I think they're trying to say that it costs $200 to buy the 10" extension stand for the Hanaho cab (according to the Hanaho web site), not that it would cost SlikStik $200 to add 10" (most likely much less  ;) )

http://arcadewerx.com/Ultra/options.html

In other words, the Hanaho DIY cab ($600) + Hanaho 10" stand ($200) = $100 less than the SlikStik "lite" cab.

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Exactly.  It isn't $200 manufacturing cost just to make the Werks with that extra 10".  The 10" extension is a marketing ploy to make the consumer pay more.  There is overhead when having more tha one piece instead of one piece which it could be, like SlikStik's cabinet.  So to the consumer to turn the Werks into the SlikStik cabinet will cost the same.  But think then if SlikStik was cheaper because it should be able to it would "steal" business from hanaho for those people who want all the frills.
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« Reply #77 on: July 22, 2003, 09:48:07 pm »
Exactly.  It isn't $200 manufacturing cost just to make the Werks with that extra 10".  The 10" extension is a marketing ploy to make the consumer pay more.  There is overhead when having more tha one piece instead of one piece which it could be, like SlikStik's cabinet.  So to the consumer to turn the Werks into the SlikStik cabinet will cost the same.  But think then if SlikStik was cheaper because it should be able to it would "steal" business from hanaho for those people who want all the frills.

Probably so - I don't doubt that SlikStik would seriously cut into the Hanaho cab sales at the same price point.

I wonder how many sales Hanaho has had of their Werx cabs? They seem to be doing well with their "premium" cabs - it certainly doesn't seem to hurt them that they've been getting their cabs into the locker rooms of some pro baseball teams!

Now that's well-targeted marketing! :)

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« Reply #78 on: July 22, 2003, 09:48:57 pm »
Yeah I get that now, but I'm comparing finished product to finished product, the consumer can fantasize about as many options as they like, in the end you have to buy a product that actually exists.

Obviously there is a cost to do business that some here don't really grasp over and above what the raw materials and labor is (and there is labor, these cab are not just spit out of a cnc machine fully completed, they are still 4 - 5 hours till completion). We have commercial space that we rent, a truck that needs to be paid for and insured, health insurance, cell phones, regular phones, electricity, airconditioning, heating, payroll, internet access, webhosting, garbage removal, advertising and probaly 10 other bills that are $50 - $100 per month that I can't even remember. When you factor all that in net profit on these cabs is really small.

But we get to work in a business that is fun most of the time and based on one of our favorite things like video games.  AND we get to make friends with every one of our customers and give them a blast from the past. We have tons of email from happy SlikStik customers and I am sure the cabs will bring the same response.

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« Reply #79 on: July 22, 2003, 10:16:19 pm »
Exactly.  It isn't $200 manufacturing cost just to make the Werks with that extra 10".  The 10" extension is a marketing ploy to make the consumer pay more.  There is overhead when having more tha one piece instead of one piece which it could be, like SlikStik's cabinet.  So to the consumer to turn the Werks into the SlikStik cabinet will cost the same.  But think then if SlikStik was cheaper because it should be able to it would "steal" business from hanaho for those people who want all the frills.

Probably so - I don't doubt that SlikStik would seriously cut into the Hanaho cab sales at the same price point.

I wonder how many sales Hanaho has had of their Werx cabs? They seem to be doing well with their "premium" cabs - it certainly doesn't seem to hurt them that they've been getting their cabs into the locker rooms of some pro baseball teams!

Now that's well-targeted marketing! :)

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Actually, if priced right, the SlikStik would slaughter the Hanaho Werks for the market it is intended.  Hanaho's main market isn't DIYers.  But since many DIYers buy the Hotrod Hanaho saw something there.  For what you get with the Werks it isn't that bad.  And I think the SlikStik cabinet is better built.  But for DIYers it is out of most DIYers price range.  Someone has to judge the target market a little better.

It may sound like I am against SlikStik in this thread.  No, I'm just expressing the view from a consumer stand-point.