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SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« on: July 18, 2003, 11:21:09 am »
All,

  We just wanted to let everyone know that we have released our new arcade machines. More can be read on our website by clicking this link http://www.slikstik.com/sscab.htm

Comments and feedback are welcome, thanks for looking.
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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2003, 02:33:37 pm »
INTERESTING INDEED! :D
This is great...looks like an actual arcade cabinet and all.  :)
Midway style.
wayyyyyyyyyyy better then that x-arcade cabinet for $1000(lol...that thing dont even look like an arcade machine).

I think(personal opinion) the price is right too(no?).
building your own isnt that easy and tools cost A LOT ! :(

HOWEVER,that arcadeshopper dude still selling brand new cabinets(cnc router cut) like this for $500 on ebay.
Consider that too.....
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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2003, 03:37:28 pm »
I'm with Snaaack.  For people who have lots of experience and skill with woodworking and already own the tools they need building a cab is a weekend job.  But those people aren't really the target market for these things anyway.  For people like me who are learning as they go, not to mention are only able to work on it during the weekends building a cab is a difficult, sometimes frustrating process that takes many months.  If I were being paid my normal wage during the time I've spent on my cab I would already have been paid far more that $1100 and I'm only about half-way through.  

Not to mention that materials and tools haven't been exactly cheap.  

$1100 ain't inexpensive, but some things just aren't cheap.  A full-size, well-made arcade cabinet happens to be one of those things.
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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2003, 04:11:43 pm »
Its sharp alright, but its waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay pricy.  I know there are costs to these things, but when it all comes down to it thats a really expensive box you've got there, especially when you consider $900 bucks is just for the shell.  You still dont have a Monitor, PC, components OR a control panel.

When the SlickStik machine was announced earlier, I was under the impression you were going to do a more cost-effective solution than the other $1000+ examples already available, I guess I was wrong.

I think when you see these boxes hit in the $400 range (remember, this stuff has to be shipped too...a couple hundred pounds of board we're talking about) you'll see them really take off, but at $1000 for an empty cab, I just dont see the market.

Unless SlickStik is aiming for that "high end" market......


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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2003, 06:22:02 pm »
I'm with Snaake and shmokes -- the new cab looks good, and the price is fair -- I won't say the price is fantastic (free would be fantastic ;)) but for what you're getting it seems very reasonable. It's certainly a much better value for the money than the X-arcade "cabinet" (term used loosely).

I'm sure the skilled amoung us can make a cab cheaper, but I doubt anyone could really duplicate the precision of an industrial CNC router with home tools. With the black formica surfaces, it should look fantastic.

I know it's blasphemy to some, but I love the keyboard tray. This is one of the first keyboard tray designs I've seen that really hides away well.

Sheesh, I'm sounding like an informercial dude (but wait! there's more! ;)) but I'm really excited about this cab! -- with a WG D9200 and a SlikStik controller, it looks like you'll finally have the option of a "quick-n-easy" professional-grade arcade cab.

It won't be cheap, but with adding a PC, SlikStik, and WG D9200 monitor, a finished brand-new MAME machine will probably run you about $2500, which is (correct me if I'm wrong) about the same or less than what you'd pay for a brand new arcade game (if they made them anymore!).

This cabinet is probably not for the hardcore BYOAC crowd, but I'd certainly recommend this to all of my friends who have asked me to build them an arcade cabinet after seeing mine!

You know, if it had motherboard mounting posts inside and an integrated PC power supply, it'd be perfect...  ;D

One question I do have, is how do you mount a fluorescent tube in it for a marquee light?


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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2003, 07:46:48 pm »
I have to wonder how this compares in price to brand new cabinets from Dynamo.

Has anyone researched this?

(The few new in box empty cabinets with monitors that I have seen sold at auction only went for $300-$400).
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2003, 11:27:57 pm »
For about $1400 you can get a brand spanking new Dynamo 25" WITH a WG monitor, power supply, and JAMMA harness installed. To quote a more famous member of these forums...

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But if Kevin Steele likes a SlikStik product, how could you go wrong? Can't wait to read the review! :)

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2003, 02:28:29 am »
huh?  looks like a lucid cab to me...

well, anyway, it's a lot more than what you get for that arcade bookshelf someone was selling for the same price...
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2003, 02:34:08 am »
Not to knock the product. But I don't get it. If Dynamo sells new 25" cabinets (with monitor and control panel, and pretty much everything but yr game kit) at a similar price point, then what is the point of buying one that screws together like the furniture that comes in a flat box? Have you ever seen how poorly that furniture holds up? My desk came in a flat box and it is falling apart after only 5 years.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2003, 03:05:56 am »
LOL.. no "Specially designed rotating control panel"s :-X
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2003, 07:13:09 am »
I think its a good price myself...  I would have saved money buying one probably... would have lost out in a lot of fun.

Assuming that you are a beginner...

8 sheets of 4x8 MDF (assuming you did every part twice because of a !@# up) - 250
Happs Bezel  - 20
Shipping that happs Bezel - 40  (really)
TMolding - 10
Router bit for TMolding - 20
Cheap Router - 40
Happs Coin door - 80
Happs shipping of that door - 20 (must be.. could be more)
Keyboard drawer - 20 (assuming 10 but messing up the first one to get it to work right)
Paint - 20
Screws - 20
Glue - 10

About 530 bucks.  Super quick pricing... Assuming for some major !@# ups.

Next.  Can you build it that nice?

How much is your time worth?

It seems to be perfectly priced.  But probably not for this group here (Since we like building our own...).

But for others, its a little more then what it would probably cost them and end up with what looks like a MUCH nicer product.

I wish I could afford one.  I want to redo my standup (never got it 'finished')... but I want to spend my time on my cocktail table I'm hopefully starting soon.... soon...  Would be a great way to get it done, especially since I have the other parts.

What I like about it is the adjustable monitor stand...  I would like to see how it works.




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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2003, 09:39:55 am »
For about $1400 you can get a brand spanking new Dynamo 25" WITH a WG monitor, power supply, and JAMMA harness installed. To quote a more famous member of these forums...

*shrug*

So, cost-wise they're about the same. I guess the only advantage to the SlikStik then is that it has a keyboard drawer and can be easily disassembled for transport (especially for moving it into the basement!)

But if Kevin Steele likes a SlikStik product, how could you go wrong? Can't wait to read the review! :)

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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2003, 10:19:22 am »
I guess I just dont understand why the world needs ANOTHER $1000+ empty Cabinet....I realize Slickstik is out to make a buck (no fault with that), and they are obviously marketing their stuff as high-end real arcade equipment..but.....still, I'd figure the world needed a $400 cab.  

You'd figure someone would have figured out how to make a basic cab with a CP-shelf for like $500 bucks.
Leave out the fancy angles, the keyboard drawers....the laminate covering....

You have each "side" of the cab, two flat pieces for the "top", a back, a front with coindoor cutout or a back with a hinged door, whatever...a shelf for the TV or brackets for mounting a monitor.  All you need to do is run a router around the "templates" as thats where your tmoulding will go....

I'm over-simplifying it, but not by too much.  You tell the customer to put screws here, there, and over there....put some wood glue here, there and there.....and thats it, your basic arcade cabinet.

Is there no market for this?? I'm just curious..if I couldn't find a cab, and decided to buy one...I'd opt for a simple example like this, and not a $1000+ model.....

Seems kinda odd to spend $1000 on an empty cab when any auction can net you a working game for a few hundred dollars, and that will start you off possibly with a working monitor, controls and...hmm..game?......


The point is that this would sell for a few hundred dollars, and this is the part that 99% of people who want to start a cab can't get past.

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2003, 11:33:37 am »
It looks like a great product, but the price for the bare-bones model still seems a bit high.  I've been looking at the one over at http://www.arcadeshopper.com/mame/mamekits.htm that is SlikStik-compatible for $400.  To me that seems like a better price point.

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2003, 11:39:30 am »
It looks like a great product, but the price for the bare-bones model still seems a bit high.  I've been looking at the one over at http://www.arcadeshopper.com/mame/mamekits.htm that is SlikStik-compatible for $400.  To me that seems like a better price point.
I did mention the guy.
My suggestion would be to "add" a slik stick panel with the cabinet so the cab itself would be like $600+$400 for the panel(rough estimate) and THEN $1000 for a nice looking cabinet with a panel be reasonable.but again they gotta make money too so . . . :-\

(I am being silly,$900 without a panel is still a deal)
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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2003, 05:53:02 pm »
This is a religious argument.  Either you're in the market for the kind of product that SlikStik is selling or your not and arguments about "how much is too much" don't apply if you really aren't interested in buying a pre-fab cab anyway.

I'm probably in SlikStik's target market for this product.  And for me it comes down to whether the product lives up to the hype.  If the build quality is as good as they suggest and it's easy to assemble, easy to transport, and it looks good, I'd shell out $1100 for it.

Hell, if it's a good product, professionally designed and manufactured, then you have to pay for the "overhead" of the CNC machines, design effort, etc.  And keep in mind that this will never be a truly high volume product, so they can't make it up in volume.  They need to get a fair price for each unit they sell.

But frankly, I'll wait to order mine until the more adventuresome of you post your reviews of the product.  ;)

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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2003, 02:56:34 am »
This is a religious argument.  Either you're in the market for the kind of product that SlikStik is selling or your not and arguments about "how much is too much" don't apply if you really aren't interested in buying a pre-fab cab anyway.

I'm probably in SlikStik's target market for this product.  And for me it comes down to whether the product lives up to the hype.  If the build quality is as good as they suggest and it's easy to assemble, easy to transport, and it looks good, I'd shell out $1100 for it.

Hell, if it's a good product, professionally designed and manufactured, then you have to pay for the "overhead" of the CNC machines, design effort, etc.  And keep in mind that this will never be a truly high volume product, so they can't make it up in volume.  They need to get a fair price for each unit they sell.

But frankly, I'll wait to order mine until the more adventuresome of you post your reviews of the product.  ;)

I normally don't get into these arguments but the points you bring up beg to be corrected.

Overhead i'll give you, but the raw materials for that design couldn't cost over about 300 bucks.    If you notice, many of the things that lilwolf mentioned are absent on this cab....  all it has are 5 dollar roller rails and t-molding.  Of course depending upon the coin door that it comes with, and the deal they are getting, that could jack up the price.  The construction of this kit is most likely completely automated, so there is very little effort.  The design is luscid's.  I know they modified it a tad, but it truely is.  

I'm not saying it's a bad product mind you, but if you are going to market it to the "do it yourself'ers" then it's overpriced. You don't even throw in marquee retainers or speaker grills. If I were to buy your kit and assumingly buy a slikstik from you it would take approx 600-800 dollars more to finish it, and that's assuming I put a really cheap pc in it and got a deal on the arcade monitor. For 1800 bucks you can get a quite nice dynamo cab that would only need an jpac, arcadevga and pc.  You can even get a not so nice, complete dynamo for around 400 bucks.  But getting away from that.  

Those that don't want to do anything themselves aren't going to like it either as they can buy a hotrod system which requires no effort on their part for a similar price.  Now keep in mind, I hate hotrod products, so I'm kind of impartial on this. I happen to like your design better, but if I were to choose, I would at least get a cab with a monitor.  Afterall, that's the hardest part for newbies to aquire (or at least aquire the proper one and get it hooked up and mounted).  


Anyway, enough bashing. When you have a hard time selling these and lower your price to something more reasonable let us know.  :)

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2003, 04:52:38 am »
I think with that budget i could build something more! Sorry but i think that is overpriced...   :(

There's more, a used cab for that price it's a better choice!

At least it's better than the X-arcade products and it seems solid and well built! Can't wait to see the rewiew!  ;D
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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2003, 10:23:47 am »
As much as I'm for new products in the arcade field, I just not a big fan of these (and all assemble-yourself/premade cabs).  Granted, it's taken to a better level than the XBS, but as others say it is just a lucid-like design that doesn't really stand out from the crowd.   Except for the matte paint job it looks almost identical to the first one I built, which looks like 80% of the cabs out there...If I were to make a production-line cab I'd choose a very obviously original design - something no one has done before.  

The price seems high for a cabinet, but you're free to charge whatever you want.  I wouldn't buy one even if it was 300$.  I realize some people lack time/woodworking skills to build their own, so I...suppose...there might be a small market....but probably not around here.  



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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2003, 10:28:52 am »
This is a religious argument.  Either you're in the market for the kind of product that SlikStik is selling or your not and arguments about "how much is too much" don't apply if you really aren't interested in buying a pre-fab cab anyway.

I'm probably in SlikStik's target market for this product.  And for me it comes down to whether the product lives up to the hype.  If the build quality is as good as they suggest and it's easy to assemble, easy to transport, and it looks good, I'd shell out $1100 for it.

Hell, if it's a good product, professionally designed and manufactured, then you have to pay for the "overhead" of the CNC machines, design effort, etc.  And keep in mind that this will never be a truly high volume product, so they can't make it up in volume.  They need to get a fair price for each unit they sell.

But frankly, I'll wait to order mine until the more adventuresome of you post your reviews of the product.  ;)

I normally don't get into these arguments but the points you bring up beg to be corrected.

Overhead i'll give you, but the raw materials for that design couldn't cost over about 300 bucks.    If you notice, many of the things that lilwolf mentioned are absent on this cab....  all it has are 5 dollar roller rails and t-molding.  Of course depending upon the coin door that it comes with, and the deal they are getting, that could jack up the price.  The construction of this kit is most likely completely automated, so there is very little effort.  The design is luscid's.  I know they modified it a tad, but it truely is.  

I'm not saying it's a bad product mind you, but if you are going to market it to the "do it yourself'ers" then it's overpriced. You don't even throw in marquee retainers or speaker grills. If I were to buy your kit and assumingly buy a slikstik from you it would take approx 600-800 dollars more to finish it, and that's assuming I put a really cheap pc in it and got a deal on the arcade monitor. For 1800 bucks you can get a quite nice dynamo cab that would only need an jpac, arcadevga and pc.  You can even get a not so nice, complete dynamo for around 400 bucks.  But getting away from that.  

Those that don't want to do anything themselves aren't going to like it either as they can buy a hotrod system which requires no effort on their part for a similar price.  Now keep in mind, I hate hotrod products, so I'm kind of impartial on this. I happen to like your design better, but if I were to choose, I would at least get a cab with a monitor.  Afterall, that's the hardest part for newbies to aquire (or at least aquire the proper one and get it hooked up and mounted).  


Anyway, enough bashing. When you have a hard time selling these and lower your price to something more reasonable let us know.  :)
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    Its unfortunate that you feel that way about our new arcade machines, but your comment is valued just as much as anyone elses. A few things that I wanted to correct you on, (Speaking of the complete version) yes it does come with marquee retainers, and speaker grills. As for the draw slides they are not the cheap $5.00 ones, they are quadruple that cost.

In addition, if we were to include a Wells Gardner D9200 monitor the cost would still be way under the $1800 Dynamo that you mentioned above.

Is there a profit, yes. Is it huge, no.

Lastly, I can assure you that the cab is not Lucids design; it is fully designed after the midway mortal combat II machine which we purchased as a starting point and modified it to our liking. We think the mortal combat II machine design is very generic but is a great classic machine.


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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2003, 04:58:08 pm »
Lets see....

Wood MDF 4' x 8'~ $20 x 3 = $60
Laminate 4' x 8' ~ $50 x 3 = $150
Screws, Glue, Hinges ~ $30 x 1 = $30
Rollar Drawer Slide ~ $20 x 1 = $20
T-Molding 20' ~ $15 x 3 = $45
Bracket for Monitor ~ $30 x 1 = $30
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Total Cost of Materials ~ $335

Ok, now... take in a discount for buying in bulk, and you prolly save about $30-$50 per cab, I would say the materials are about $300 to build the Lite Cabinet.

Now, you need to take in quality assurance, packaging, but if these are done by the owners, then the remaining $600 Dollars per cabinet (of the lite model) is all profit.  

This is a 300% Markup... Which is realistic if you use the high price, low volume market strategy, though 200% is more common, but most companies have something Slik Stik doesnt have much of... Competition.  With XArcades design being very unaesthetic, the market for a Arcade Case is very shallow.  Arcade PC sells the whole cabinet, and GRock uses Ultimate Arcade II Design, which doesnt appeal to a lot of people because it doesnt look like an arcade machine you would find at an arcade.  Slick Sticks however is a basic Midway design, which just happens to be the same as LuSiD's, as LuSiD designed his after a midway Cabinet...

Yes, the cabinets are Overpriced, but they are overpriced because there is no reason for them to lower their price, its not like people are going to find a different supplier, because there isnt one.  The only way to get them to lower their prices is the classic consumer action.... Dont buy it.  They will get tired of not selling any, and eventually they will accept a lower profit, its that simple.
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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2003, 05:05:23 pm »
Total Cost of Materials ~ $335

Ok, now... take in a discount for buying in bulk, and you prolly save about $30-$50 per cab, I would say the materials are about $300 to build the Lite Cabinet.

Now, you need to take in quality assurance, packaging, but if these are done by the owners, then the remaining $600 Dollars per cabinet (of the lite model) is all profit.  


Did you forget the actual manufacturing and labor costs? CNC machines aren't free, I believe.

(No, I don't have any idea of how much it actually costs to make one, but your example seems a bit oversimplified.)

Like you said, time will tell -- supply and demand, the cornerstones of capitalism...

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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2003, 05:10:52 pm »
Hey all.

Just wanted to throw something into the mix here.  Running a CNC router is not exactly without it's costs as well.  Aside from what the raw materials may cost, you still have to recoup both the time it takes to program the machine as well as upkeep on a large piece of machinery.

Not saying that that's worth $600, but I'd also personally estimate that initial supplies figure to be more in the $400+ range than $300.  Wood may not be cheap in everyone's area of the country and all the supplies, tools and skills may not be readily available to everyone.

Why do you think that companies such as Bush and Sauder are so large?  There is a huge market for pre-made knock-down furniture...and the higher quality built stuff is not cheap (think real office furniture at well over $1k for a decent pre-fab desk)

Yes it's not for those of us who BYOC and like to do it, but I could easily see someone purchasing one of these for their game room who may be into computers and can do the rest on their own.

Just a thought...carry on  :D

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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2003, 05:43:14 pm »
Lets see....


Laminate 4' x 8' ~ $50 x 3 = $150



take out cost of laminate ;).
I think they use black (EDIT)melamine(EDIT) board.
I mean you know...companies use black (EDIT)melamine(EDIT) boards for mass produced cabinets(like hanaho).
unless I am wrong(could be)

I STILL think the price is "reasonable".
Imagine having your own cabinet without having to buy any tools,parts,cutting,building,this,that.  :)
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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2003, 05:51:25 pm »
Lets see....


Laminate 4' x 8' ~ $50 x 3 = $150



take out cost of laminate ;).
I think they use black formica board.
I mean you know...companies use black formica boards for mass produced cabinets(like hanaho).
unless I am wrong(could be)

I STILL think the price is reasonable.
Imagine having your own cabinet without having to buy any tools,parts,cutting,building,this,that.  :)

FYI, its black Formica on the outside and black melamine on the inside.
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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2003, 05:51:30 pm »
I would also like to say a little about this discussion....

I would also agree that the equation is a little bit over simplified... the guys who are doing this will need to get pay... they need a place for all the stuffs... rent.. electric... machine... maintainence... etc.

so.. its not just materials....

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Now.... do they have profits ??... of course... its a business... if you don't get pay... you won't go to work.. right ??....

is it reasonable ??.... that depends....
I don't think most of the guys here will find it a reasonable price.... (hmmm... let me put it in a different word...) I think most of the guys here will not buy it..... (even if they say its reasonable priced...)

but that doesn't mean anything whether we buy or not..... (since we hack and mod...... we don't buy...    ;) ;D )

I think what is important here is... are they trying to cheat ?? are they having false advertisement ??.... are they claiming they have something in the cab that they sell and you pay and you get it and found out that its not there ??  

I can't find any.... so.... the product is  fine for my standard...... frankly... they can sell it for $10,000 a pop and just sell 1 per year..... or they sell $500 a pop and sell 500 a year..... (that will be their choice of business model and none of our concern.....)

if I were to choose.... of course... from a customer's point of view... I would prefer them to sell $200 a pop and sell 100,000 cabs per year.... cos I can't afford the $1,000 tag.... that means I have more options to choose from.... but let's be fair... as a customer... I cannot run their business and decide for them.....

if you think you can do better... you are more than welcome to open a store and sell it online for 1/2 that price..... place your ad next to all the slikstick's ad to "compete" with them...  ;)

I'm sure the rest of us are more than willing to give comments on your discounted products !!.... hee hee....

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now.... on a side note....

about slikstick's metal stick replacement.....
its VERY MUCH COOL AND NICE and all that....
but if they claim you can score 50% higher on the same game just by changing the stick.....

well...... I will have to think about.....
if they can't proof it.... I would suggest they should
"re-phase" it......

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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2003, 05:53:25 pm »
Lets see....

Wood MDF 4' x 8'~ $20 x 3 = $60
Laminate 4' x 8' ~ $50 x 3 = $150
Screws, Glue, Hinges ~ $30 x 1 = $30
Rollar Drawer Slide ~ $20 x 1 = $20
T-Molding 20' ~ $15 x 3 = $45
Bracket for Monitor ~ $30 x 1 = $30
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Total Cost of Materials ~ $335

Ok, now... take in a discount for buying in bulk, and you prolly save about $30-$50 per cab, I would say the materials are about $300 to build the Lite Cabinet.

Now, you need to take in quality assurance, packaging, but if these are done by the owners, then the remaining $600 Dollars per cabinet (of the lite model) is all profit.  

This is a 300% Markup... Which is realistic if you use the high price, low volume market strategy, though 200% is more common, but most companies have something Slik Stik doesnt have much of... Competition.  With XArcades design being very unaesthetic, the market for a Arcade Case is very shallow.  Arcade PC sells the whole cabinet, and GRock uses Ultimate Arcade II Design, which doesnt appeal to a lot of people because it doesnt look like an arcade machine you would find at an arcade.  Slick Sticks however is a basic Midway design, which just happens to be the same as LuSiD's, as LuSiD designed his after a midway Cabinet...

Yes, the cabinets are Overpriced, but they are overpriced because there is no reason for them to lower their price, its not like people are going to find a different supplier, because there isnt one.  The only way to get them to lower their prices is the classic consumer action.... Dont buy it.  They will get tired of not selling any, and eventually they will accept a lower profit, its that simple.

Here we go again... I'll tell you what, you make the same exact cabinets we make for $335.00 and I will by them from you all day long.
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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2003, 06:21:44 pm »
hehe, I LOVE these arguments  ;D

I don't know how much it costs you to build these... But knowing what you sell for the slicksticks... I would guess that it's top quality all around... but that wasn't my point.

My point is that almost everyone here would probably come somewhat close to that...  Maybe save themselfs a few hundred doing it themselfs.  But in the end, not have it as nice as something cnc milled.

IE, it seemed like it was right priced.  Something that can build could probably do themselfs for cheaper... but for the people who cant... proably wont.

I love building mine.  I would have liked it to be yours in the end thought....  It looks great!

But building all that for $300 bucks... come on... Sure, if you can steel all the lumber from your parents and you already have all the tools... And you happen to have some parts laying around...

We all know how expensive this hobbie actually is... Sure, I'm going to hack up this $50 cab I got.  How cheap!....  But wait... ebay?  You can get parts on ebay?  Wow... new TMolding!  I would love to convert this to a cocktail table... Wait... Why tear that down when I could just build a new one!  Wouldn't it be great if I had a real starwars yoke!  I need a new design to fit the SNK controollers... I reallly wish I didn't paint it black... I should find some side art... wait, I can just professionally create my own sideart?  How about light gun support... Act labs are ok I guess..  How about ...

you get my idea..

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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2003, 06:22:45 pm »
Lastly, I can assure you that the cab is not Lucids design; it is fully designed after the midway mortal combat II machine which we purchased as a starting point and modified it to our liking. We think the mortal combat II machine design is very generic but is a great classic machine.

Lol!
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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2003, 07:41:36 pm »
Lol!
"We didn't steal the design from Lucid, we stole it from Midway!"

Ha!

As I said before, this is a religious debate.  The true 'build your own' crowd will find nothing but fault with this or any prefabbed alternative.  Now you guys are even bashing because they copied a "classic" design.  If they hadn't copied a classic design, you'd be carping because the thing isn't "authentic" looking.

I'm not saying this cab is worth the $1100 beans, mostly because I haven't personally seen or touched one yet, nor have I read anything approaching a real review from a non-partisan person who has.

But I can tell you this much, if you think that you can CNC mill the cabs that SlikStik has spec'd for $350 a pop, and market them, you oughta go for it.  Because I believe you'll sell a BIG volume of 'em.  I also believe you'll lose money on every unit you sell.  Frankly, if this is truly a 300% markup proposition, don't you think someone else would have beat Christian to the gravy?  Or else we should be seeing a number of strong competitors enter the marketplace very soon.  Afterall he doesn't have exclusive rights to the Midway design or to CNC milling equipment.

I'd love to see someone sell these (as spec'd -- or better) for $400 bucks a pop.  I'd buy 3 right now (no kidding).  But who'll step up and put their money where their mouth is?  :)  I will.  I'll buy three of these from anyone who can deliver them to Christian's spec for $400 bucks or less each.  No slouching.  They must be 100% to spec, or better if you think you can improve on his design.

Any takers?  ;D 8)

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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2003, 07:45:12 pm »
I can do it... minimum order is 10,000 units though.

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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2003, 07:45:28 pm »
Lastly, I can assure you that the cab is not Lucids design; it is fully designed after the midway mortal combat II machine which we purchased as a starting point and modified it to our liking. We think the mortal combat II machine design is very generic but is a great classic machine.

Lol!
"We didn't steal the design from Lucid, we stole it from Midway!"

Ha!

Like Kelsey "stole" the design of his new Tempest spinner from Atari? What's your point?

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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2003, 07:51:52 pm »
I'm not going to go choosing sides on this subject but I will say this:

If you don't mind using a genuine used machine you can get one for significantly cheaper. A shell of a 25" machine with coin door could probably be had for $100 without monitor. I picked up my 19" without monitor for $50.

I even spotted a working Midway cabinet for about $300 at a local arcade. Don't think the monitor was in good condition, but it was functional. Even without the working monitor, though, that's a GENUINE Midway cabinet for $300 in good condition with clean sides.


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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2003, 08:24:41 pm »
Like Kelsey "stole" the design of his new Tempest spinner from Atari? What's your point?

Sheesh...

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Dude, that's the second time that someone else has offered "critism" towards you or Christian, and you bring up my name.   Don't poke the bear....  ;)


BTW, Christian, the cabinet does look very traditional and I personally like the Midway cabinets!  I do have a question about the optional glass that you are offering for the cabinets... Is there a shelf or rails that support the glass?  I can't make out from the photo if there are rails on the insides of the cabinet for the monitor bezel/glass to rest against.

I can imagine many people would find it useful if you were to also offer common things that everyone that purchases the cabinet would probably need anyway; maybe like a Deluxe model that included speakers (perhaps with amp & exterior volume control?), light fixture, integrated power strip with line filter receptacle, leg levelers/castors, vent grilles, etc...  I can imagine that some people may be a bit reluctant drilling holes and modifying a brand new cabinet they just paid $1100 for.  Good luck with the new product!



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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2003, 08:44:29 pm »
Dude, that's the second time that someone else has offered "critism" towards you or Christian, and you bring up my name.   Don't poke the bear....  ;)

My point was that it seems that SlikStik is being condemned for something that is a non-factor: i.e., the "copying". I thought it was a cheap shot, especially considering the whole point of retrogaming is reproducing stuff that has already been created once.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you had done anything wrong -- in fact, that was part of what I was trying to point out: there's nothing wrong with copying the designs of the past that have worked.

I think you've created some really great products. I also think the same of Christian at SlikStik. Somehow, though, he's managed to rub a lot of people here the wrong way, and now I'm apparently guilty by association.

(Oh, and I won't comment on your "beariness" until I've seen a photo of you.  ::) )

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« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2003, 08:47:03 pm »
There's actually a thread for that in "Everything Else". You may want to consult The Captain.


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« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2003, 09:01:02 pm »
My point was that it seems that SlikStik is being condemned for something that is a non-factor: i.e., the "copying". I thought it was a cheap shot, especially considering the whole point of retrogaming is reproducing stuff that has already been created once.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you had done anything wrong -- in fact, that was part of what I was trying to point out: there's nothing wrong with copying the designs of the past that have worked.

I think you've created some really great products. I also think the same of Christian at SlikStik. Somehow, though, he's managed to rub a lot of people here the wrong way, and now I'm apparently guilty by association.

(Oh, and I won't comment on your "beariness" until I've seen a photo of you.  ::) )

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« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2003, 09:15:18 pm »
Aye, mate, I only speaks in jest!  Methinks we can settle it over a bottle o' rum and some wenchin' & pillaging, tho!      ;)

You've seen too many promos for "Pirates of the Caribbean," methinks...

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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2003, 09:45:09 pm »
has anyone thought that the extra $$$ you pay is for the assurance of getting a quality cabinet. i know it is possible to build for less, but can you gaurantee that your cab will look as slick( ;D) as theirs? just think about it...
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« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2003, 10:59:34 pm »
ok i gotta jump in with a slightly OT....

what does everyone hate about the xarcade cab ? no coindoor? the shelves? ???

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« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2003, 12:07:29 am »
Seriously, I might buy something like this just to save time.  I had fun building my cab, but man was it a pain in the butt!  And if I hadn't been unable to find work for a solid month, there's no way I would be able to find the time to build another.  When I have a house with more room, I'd like to have 4-8 mame cabs/ original games, and I doubt I'll really have time or desire to spend weeks or months buiding each one.

Think about it: what are the alternatives?  Gut a classic cab and MAME it?  Blasphemy!  Get an empty cab (probably used) from your local amusment supplier for $100-$300?  You've still got to find a way to haul it home, clean it out, fix it up, fumigate, etc...  How about a finished cab from Hanaho for $3000+?  Too steep for home gaming.  Build your own?  Buying materials, designing, measuring and cutting is 75% of the work (maybe even 90%.)

Having already built a cab from scratch, I'd rather have something delivered to my door that I can put together in a few hours.  I'm not above paying for convenience.  And the product is pretty decent, considering what some companies offer for $1000 (arcade bookshelf anyone?  ;) )

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« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2003, 12:12:28 am »
Ok, First off, Profit from Raw Materials and Net Profit after all expenses is not the same thing, My example was purely of raw materials, not including time, labor etc.  There should be very little labor, as these are shipped unassembled, the buyer is the one who will spend two/three hours assembling so theres no cost there.  In fact, the only cost besides raw materials will be the use of the machine (again, unless they have free access, or own a machine) and then packaging.  Other costs will be Quality Assurance, and if these is done, there should be little loss of profit from warrenties.

So, I am well aware that it cost money to rent use/time of a CNC Mill, however there are several other routes as well.  Mills are no longer the expensive price they used to be, one can be had for less then the price of a new car.  If you own your own mill, then cost of manufacturing/cutting is not a factor save the maintenance of the machine and the electric bill.  Also, if you do have something milled for you, they usually either charge you for a run of them (cheaper that way) or for the time the machine runs, if the design can be manufactured quickly that reduces the cost as well, i.e. simple designs are cheaper to do then complex designs.

Ive had very complex designs milled on the sides of computer cases for less then 50 Dollars a pop, and these were very complex.  I will even give the benefiet of the doubt, and say it costs 100 dollars to cut each cabinet.  Now, aside from Transportation, that increases the cost of the cabinet to $435, thats a bit closer to the average of 200% Markup on the low volume market, but it is still not a "tempting" offer, for the fact that you could build the same thing for less then half the cost (assuming you have tools to build), and if you dont have tools, then you can still build it for just over half the cost, and then have tools that you can use for other reasons.  Either way the cost is prohibitive as their is too much "left" out, no CP, no Monitor

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Now... as for Brax's request, ill take it.  :)

The Faults we so easily find with premade/ready to assemble cabinets is not because we would rather build our own.  You fail to realize that majority of us build our own to save money, This means that when we can build one for only $400, or buy one for $1000, then naturally you are going to note all the reasons that you should save your money and build it yourself.  You can call these faults, but until there is availible a pre-cut Cabinet at least /close/ to the cost for the average joe to build they will remain reasons.  As for noone complaining because of it, the reason is, when people imagine an arcade, there are specific perameters that come to mind.  If they do not some into your mind then you obviously have not spent enough time in a real arcade.  A design must be functional, comfortable as well as aesthetic.  Since the Midway cabinet meets all three of those criteria, there is no reason to complain about the design.

True that there has been no impartial review, but the review will only tell us about the quality of the construction, something that even if poorly done, can be remedied with a drill and some screws.  So, what true use does a review serve, other then to tell you something that you could have figured out by looking at the pictures of the cabinet.

First off, no I dont think anyone would have "beaten them to the punch" as most of us are not doing this to make a profit, thus we have not searched for deals on milling, cutting, or any such venture.  However, do you honestly think Slick Stik is naive enough to pay $400 Dollars each to have the cabinets cut?  Come on man, be serious.  Why dont you call around, see how much it would be to cut a cabinet on a Mill, tell them how many cuts you'll need, dimensions, and how many holes youll need, and see how much it costs each if you wanted to do say.. 100 or more.  I think you'll be suprised at how inexpensive it comes out to each one.

Noone said they should be sold for only $400, the point was that there is no reason for them to cost nearly a thousand dollars for jut the empty casing, no CP, no Monitor, no Computer... Nothing but the wooden case and some metal brackets....

Since Christian seems a bit preturbed about our abviously uneducated and outlandish assumptions of how much it costs to have a cabinet manufactured... why doesnt he offer some sort of price list, materials and overhead.  This way, when people see that he is only getting a $35 profit, they will be more willing to help him feed his 7 hungry children... you know, as a gesture of good will.  :)

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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2003, 12:33:45 am »
ok, nm. i looked back at the xarcade and it is butt @$$ ugly. but i did use the shelf idea. but i really think mine is far less tacky.
i just have no desire for a coin door. it doesnt appeal to me in the slightest.

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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2003, 12:42:54 am »
Well, no one knows how many they're selling, so you can't really assume theyr'e getting a given price break.  They may have put down the cash for their own CNC system for all you know and those can't be cheap.  Also, how much would it cost you to have someone cut out a cab on a CNC?  A lot.  I know that if you have Home Depot put in an order for a custom cabinet cut, they want something like $10/linear foot.  That means one side of a 3x6' cab costs about $180, and that doesn't even include the wood.  I know they're sending it to a 3rd party so there's extra markup involved, but even if you can find out who does their work, I'm sure the cost doesn't go down more than 30%.  Most people opt to cut it out themselves to save money, but then you have to figure what that time would cost if you were paying for labor.  Or to think about it another way, how much money would you be getting if you spent the same number of hours at work?  Your time is worth something, and unless you spend every weekend for a couple months grinning from ear to ear despite the sawdust in your teeth, there is value in having some of the work done for you.  Peace.
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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2003, 02:47:36 am »
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By looking at all these posts (mostly positive) I would say you are speaking on your behalf only, and not for the rest of the crew. If you want to discuss how cheap you can build the same cab for, which I highly doubt, then that’s fine but there is no need to be a wise guy.

While I am not at liberty to disclose our manufacturing costs, I can assure you that the profit margin is well under the 200% from which you say it is. I would be willing to bet that the last head of lettuce you bought at the supermarket had more of a profit margin than our cabs do.

Fact is fact, our cabs are manufactured to the highest quality standards, can be disassembled, unlike ones which you might purchase at an arcade auction and have a spiffy classic design.

Oh and by the way, a good CNC machine that is able to change router bits on the fly and have a big enough swing arm to rotate around the full side of an arcade machine costs way more than a car, I would say its more cheaper than a house.  
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« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2003, 03:37:03 am »
Personally I think comparing DIY cabinets or conversions to Christian's cabinet is apples to oranges.

A fairer comparison would be designing your own and then taking the blueprints to a cabinet shop. From my experience with custom cabinetry, the quote you'd get would be in the ballpark of Christian's asking price.

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« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2003, 07:08:11 am »
ok i gotta jump in with a slightly OT....

what does everyone hate about the xarcade cab ? no coindoor? the shelves? ???

It looks bad, the layout is bad, and it would require some fair degree of "hacking" to fit any controller other than the X-arcade.

What I especially despise is the control panel -- it's got this cutout for the X-arcade (not in itself a bad thing), but then it has to have extra "hand hole" cutouts on each side of where the X-arcade would mount so that you can reach in and touch the side-mounted pinball buttons!  :P

It's a bookshelf disguised as an arcade machine, methinks...

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« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2003, 10:32:10 am »
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Odd. Very Very Odd. Oh, and comparing OSCAR to Christian is kind of unfair. OSCAR helps people out so much (both on and off the site) that he COULD start selling cabinets built EXACTLY to Lusids specs, and no one would meep.

If you have to ask why, you will most likely never understand.

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« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2003, 11:26:52 am »
Two most active posters on any slikstik thread...

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Odd. Very Very Odd. Oh, and comparing OSCAR to Christian is kind of unfair. OSCAR helps people out so much (both on and off the site) that he COULD start selling cabinets built EXACTLY to Lusids specs, and no one would meep.

If you have to ask why, you will most likely never understand.

Sheesh, you really are on some sort of witch-hunt, aren't you?  ::)

You're right about Oscar, however -- he's been a great help to many people here, and that's built-up a lot of goodwill. Christian, apparently, has not. But to rag on Christian's products like some here have, down to trying to "micro-manage" the pricing, is pretty harsh, IMHO.

You know what, you've implied I'm a shill a number of times, and frankly I'm getting sick of it. My record's out in the open, my relationships with SlikStik and Oscar Controls (and Ultimarc, and X-Arcade, etc.) are out in the open. Frankly, put up or shut up.

I follow the SlikStik posts because I happen to own one. (Look around, I happen to post in a lot of topics).

Now go get a life and lay off the "SlikStik-kevsteele" crap...

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« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2003, 11:55:59 am »
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Odd. Very Very Odd. Oh, and comparing OSCAR to Christian is kind of unfair. OSCAR helps people out so much (both on and off the site) that he COULD start selling cabinets built EXACTLY to Lusids specs, and no one would meep.

If you have to ask why, you will most likely never understand.

Oscar, i bet your head is swollen now  :o
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« Reply #50 on: July 22, 2003, 01:02:21 pm »
Dear SlikStik-kevsteele,
  As you yourself observed earlier in this thread, you ARE starting to sound more like an salesman with every post. I believe though, that a more correct term would be SlikStik's Official Unofficial Apologist. And I mean Apologist in the classical, dictionary sense. Of course, if this were a prison or a schoolyard, there would be an entirely different term used to describe your relationship. However, that word isn't really appropriate for these forums.

I assume this is what you meant when you asked me ever so kindly to "put up"?

Three cheers for put-ing!

I'm done on this thread, btw :) Have at me.

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« Reply #51 on: July 22, 2003, 01:18:59 pm »
Dear SlikStik-kevsteele,
  As you yourself observed earlier in this thread, you ARE starting to sound more like an salesman with every post. I believe though, that a more correct term would be SlikStik's Official Unofficial Apologist. And I mean Apologist in the classical, dictionary sense. Of course, if this were a prison or a schoolyard, there would be an entirely different term used to describe your relationship. However, that word isn't really appropriate for these forums.

You really are a master of the cheap shot and low blow, aren't you?

I assume this is what you meant when you asked me ever so kindly to "put up"?

Three cheers for put-ing!

I'm done on this thread, btw :) Have at me.

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« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2003, 02:45:42 pm »
1. Christian and Kevin have every right to post here.
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« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2003, 02:52:12 pm »
Not at liberty to disclose manufacturing costs, thats cute...

I just find it cute, because if you goto the omnicient Google and type CNC Mill "For Sale", for some reason... suddenly it becomes appearent that you can purchase a mill for less then 20,000 naturally they are usually refurbished, or used, but the point is one can be had without spending a lot, and most NICE cars are 20-50 thousand... So I stand by my statement, if you choose to spend an ubsurd amount of money getting your things cut, then the reason you have a low profit percentage is poor decisions on your part.

Now, I have yet to say that people shouldnt buy your Cabinet, something you are slowly convincing me I should say, not because of quality reasons, but because of the obvious bad business decisions, and poor customer relations.  I merely stated that they ARE overpriced, which point blank they are, and that if you didnt have the money to buy one, then you can simply exercise your right not to buy one, which is the very core of capitalism my friend.

So, you may not be able to tell us manufacturing costs, (yeah, whatever...) but I know you can tell us your gross profit.  So, what is it?  Why should we choose your cabinet over other options?
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« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2003, 03:31:33 pm »
Not at liberty to disclose manufacturing costs, thats cute...

I just find it cute, because if you goto the omnicient Google and type CNC Mill "For Sale", for some reason... suddenly it becomes appearent that you can purchase a mill for less then 20,000 naturally they are usually refurbished, or used, but the point is one can be had without spending a lot, and most NICE cars are 20-50 thousand... So I stand by my statement, if you choose to spend an ubsurd amount of money getting your things cut, then the reason you have a low profit percentage is poor decisions on your part.

Now, I have yet to say that people shouldnt buy your Cabinet, something you are slowly convincing me I should say, not because of quality reasons, but because of the obvious bad business decisions, and poor customer relations.  I merely stated that they ARE overpriced, which point blank they are, and that if you didnt have the money to buy one, then you can simply exercise your right not to buy one, which is the very core of capitalism my friend.

So, you may not be able to tell us manufacturing costs, (yeah, whatever...) but I know you can tell us your gross profit.  So, what is it?  Why should we choose your cabinet over other options?

LOL, I am not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.
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« Reply #55 on: July 22, 2003, 03:32:51 pm »
1. Christian and Kevin have every right to post here.
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3. You have been warned before IIOIOOIOO.

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« Reply #56 on: July 22, 2003, 03:43:17 pm »

So I stand by my statement, if you choose to spend an ubsurd amount of money getting your things cut, then the reason you have a low profit percentage is poor decisions on your part.

Now, I have yet to say that people shouldnt buy your Cabinet, something you are slowly convincing me I should say, not because of quality reasons, but because of the obvious bad business decisions, and poor customer relations.  I merely stated that they ARE overpriced, which point blank they are, and that if you didnt have the money to buy one, then you can simply exercise your right not to buy one, which is the very core of capitalism my friend.

So, you may not be able to tell us manufacturing costs, (yeah, whatever...) but I know you can tell us your gross profit.  So, what is it?  Why should we choose your cabinet over other options?

For some reason that even I don't truly understand, I have the overwhelming compulsion to ask the obvious question:

WTF are you talking about in that last post Dude?!?  Poor business decisions?  Where, when?  What evidence do you have of any poor business decisions on his part?

I've got news for you, the "core of capitalism" is the free market my man.  And the market will decide on our friend's cabs.  If the market judges that they're overpriced then he'll have to lower the price or he won't sell them.  If his costs are out of line (too high) then he won't be able to drop the prices and he'll just have to drop the product altogether.  On the other hand, if his margins are as fat as you and some others think they are, and he finds a way to sell good volumes anyway, then he'll make a lot of money until someone comes along to compete with him on price.

As I said before, I don't see anyone else out there willing to sell these things to his spec at $1,100 a pop, much less $400, $500, $600, etc.  It's really hard to call a product overpriced when there's no one else apparently willing or able to undercut the price!

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« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2003, 04:18:03 pm »
Poor Business Decision = Paying an ubsurd amount of money to have something milled, when it can be done for much much less elsewhere, i.e. Not researching availible options, not doing any homework...

Sorry if I didnt make that clear enough for you Tommy Boy, I didnt realize I needed to speak in such little words.  

Capitalism - The very core a free market, and a free market is a place where people can introduce a product at any price they want, but due to this same free market, it is ultimately the consumer who decides if a product survives.  Naturally Market competition is the normal comparision for a company to judge their costs, i.e. how much to allow for overhead, how much to mark up, and how much to target the price for the consumer.  Unfortunantly, in this case there is not enough of a "Market" to be able to do competition research, which means that the comparision must be done on cost to build the goods.  I.E. The cost to buy should be wieghed by the cost to build, and since the cost to build such a cabinet is nowhere near the asking price, it is obvious that the offer is neither cost effective for the cosumer, nor of any great benefit.  Meaning that quite simply, for the average consumer it wont be ever considered as an option.


Now, since we are on this economics lesson, re-read all posts in this thread, and you will find a quick quote of what the cabinet /should cost/.  Though in reality, if this is a business, then the actual cost should be cheaper due to purchases made in bulk, or business accounts recieving discounts, etc etc etc.  You also have to remember that since it is resale, there is no tax paid on the supplies to build (except tools and such, any such things that will not be for resale).  Now, you can claim all you want, but it is painfully obvious that Either Christian is a complete moron (in the business sence) or he is a liar, either way, it is obvious this is not a company that a consumer should place any trust in, much less any money.

Now, should I make these words any smaller for you Tommy, I dont want to confuse you or anything, as it is quite appearent that you are already drowning.

As for Slik Stick, it is quite appearent to me now of the mentality we are dealing with, so i wont even take the time to continue on about them, its painfully obvious the type of people they are. Oh, I wasnt being mean to Slik Stik, I was simply trying to give the average consumers initial views about what is offered, with the responce I have been given here it is quite appearent that we are not dealing with intelligent people, in fact, I had put aside all reservations and ignored the bad things I have heard about them.  Unfortunantly, it would appear that those accusations are correct, and I stand in awe.  It is amazing at just how vacuous some peoples truly are...  
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« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2003, 04:44:40 pm »
......  Naturally Market competition is the normal comparision for a company to judge their costs, i.e. how much to allow for overhead, how much to mark up, and how much to target the price for the consumer.  Unfortunantly, in this case there is not enough of a "Market" to be able to do competition research, which means that the comparision must be done on cost to build the goods.  I.E. The cost to buy should be wieghed by the cost to build, and since the cost to build such a cabinet is nowhere near the asking price, it is obvious that the offer is neither cost effective for the cosumer, nor of any great benefit. ....

I think there is a little flaw there....
plz feel free to correct me if I'm wrong....
I'm a pgrmmer... not a economist..... haa haa...

but if there's no "market" aka "competition" for your product....
in simple economic term... this is call.... "MONOPOLY"....
that means, you own the market and you set your rules....

Again, if anyone thinks that its expensive, they are free not to buy from them....... (and I don't think anyone here has the right to tell them that they've set the price too high....)

also, I don't think anyone here has the right to ask them to disclose profit margins.... (and it doesn't matter they're making 5% or 1000%...) if you don't feel comfortable, don't buy.... period...

if they deliver something that is bad.... in my terms, bad means, it doesn't fit well together... quality is bad, doesn't look good, they said it has certain quality and came out it doesn't.... then feel free to bash all you want.... but plz stop bashing on their selling price... cos its pointless.... if you can't afford it... save up....

I really think this is UNFAIR.....
Christian might be less popular / friendly / helpful than some other guys here....
but that doesn't mean their product should be bashed like this....








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« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2003, 05:14:32 pm »
Amra,

We did not post our news in this forum to get into a mudslinging fest with the hardcore do-it-yourselfers. We simply posted it because we have a good product at a fair price point and we know from our experience as the makers of THE Best commercial control panel available that there is a market for it. Many people have priced out panel parts and looked at the amount of time involved and have decided that it is easier and more feasible to buy our panels.

The same economics that were used to decide how to price our panels were used to price our cabs, we look at the cost of materials, the labor involved, overhead, and then we look at how much time it will save a busy person that earns 30 - 60 dollars per hour, hence if it saves that busy person 24 - 140 hours of labor then it is a good deal to that target market. Ten hours of that customers time is worth $300, free time is worth twice that because it is at a premium, and that
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« Reply #60 on: July 22, 2003, 05:21:08 pm »
No the cab is great!  I don't think anyone has a problem with it.  It's the price associated with it.  :)  For the price most people would expect something either a tad more "complete" or a tad more original.  I happen to like the luscid design (which is also based literally on the mk2 cab, you took what I said the wrong way christian) but I also happen to know that it's a basic enough design that anyone with decent woodworking skills could whip out in no time.  


Quality is also way up there. There is no doubt it's a great cab..... if you'll look back at the posts, most of them simply say that it's not worth the price.  That doesn't mean that it's bad, that just means that it's not 1000$ worth of goodness to most people.  :)  

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« Reply #61 on: July 22, 2003, 05:43:14 pm »
No the cab is great!  I don't think anyone has a problem with it.  It's the price associated with it.  :)  For the price most people would expect something either a tad more "complete" or a tad more original.  I happen to like the luscid design (which is also based literally on the mk2 cab, you took what I said the wrong way christian) but I also happen to know that it's a basic enough design that anyone with decent woodworking skills could whip out in no time.  


Quality is also way up there. There is no doubt it's a great cab..... if you'll look back at the posts, most of them simply say that it's not worth the price.  That doesn't mean that it's bad, that just means that it's not 1000$ worth of goodness to most people.  :)  

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   Point well taken.
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« Reply #62 on: July 22, 2003, 05:45:50 pm »
No the cab is great!  I don't think anyone has a problem with it.  It's the price associated with it.  :)  For the price most people would expect something either a tad more "complete" or a tad more original.  I happen to like the luscid design (which is also based literally on the mk2 cab, you took what I said the wrong way christian) but I also happen to know that it's a basic enough design that anyone with decent woodworking skills could whip out in no time.  


Quality is also way up there. There is no doubt it's a great cab..... if you'll look back at the posts, most of them simply say that it's not worth the price.  That doesn't mean that it's bad, that just means that it's not 1000$ worth of goodness to most people.  :)  

I just figured I would post this pic here, just incase you wanted to see it again  ;)

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« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2003, 06:07:17 pm »
And can we have the price again and how do we order one TODAY?

Juuuuuuuuuuust 3 EZ payments of $333.3333333333333333333!

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« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2003, 06:17:02 pm »
ok i gotta jump in with a slightly OT....

what does everyone hate about the xarcade cab ? no coindoor? the shelves? ???

The cabinet, it's a glorified bookshelf.

Ok, to everyone else.  If you don't like it start your own business making cabinets ;)

Also, I expect everyone here with how frugal they sound are tightwads. You make your own soda (which is about $0.20 a can, I make my own rootbeer once and awhile), you build your own computers, you build your own beds (matress and all), you build your own furniture, etc...  Building something yourself will always cost less then buying.  And those who listed parts, you missed alot of stuff.

I don't here you guys complaining about the dotron spinner being overpriced when you could make your own simular thing for much less.  

Ok, my opinion on the product.  It's cool, very well done.  I think it is a little over-priced, I wouldn't pay over $850 for something that didn't have a control panel or monitor.  Control panel seperate adds alot of extra cost when compared to a cabinet that comes with a CP.  With your products we are talking an extra $500 added on (average).  Then the monitor and so forth.  It does get very expensive quickly.  You should offer a bundle package or something.

Second, the hole for the CP cables is sort a small.  Did you design this to work for your CPs?  How are they attached, do they just sit on the cabinet?  If they just sit (which it looks like) you may want to look into a way of securing the CP.  That also ensures the CP stays centered.

Note, the ArcadeWerks is almost the same, just no coindoor, for $600.
http://www.hanaho.com/products/ArcadeWerX/Ultra/index.html
So $1000 is definately overpriced for what you get. compared to the competition.
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« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2003, 06:30:35 pm »
Don't normally get involved in posts like this, but several people here seem to be rather harsh.

Okay some people may be able to make a cabinet for less, some may not. Some may want to build their own cabinet, some may not.

How I see it, is that this offers another option into owning an arcade cabinet. If it meets your needs and you

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« Reply #66 on: July 22, 2003, 06:33:14 pm »
Well I'm all for buying one, but the price has to drop. I think most of the people here have made good points. If nothing else I applaud the fact the there is a company that is making a full game system. Unfortunatly, even with no wood skills whatsoever I  more tempted to build my own for that price. It might not look as professional (that could be debated) but I think I would have much more pride in the fact that I built it.  I do realize that slikstik is not trying to compete with the homebuilders here and I'm sure they'll be a big hit.


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« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2003, 06:41:32 pm »
Well,

I would have to agree with everyone else when they say "If you don't like it, don't buy it."  

Christian:  I wish you the best of luck with your product. If it's as good as your company states, it will sell itself.   ;D

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« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2003, 07:25:34 pm »
Amra,

We did not post our news in this forum to get into a mudslinging fest with the hardcore do-it-yourselfers. We simply posted it because we have a good product at a fair price point and we know from our experience as the makers of THE Best commercial control panel available that there is a market for it. Many people have priced out panel parts and looked at the amount of time involved and have decided that it is easier and more feasible to buy our panels.

The same economics that were used to decide how to price our panels were used to price our cabs, we look at the cost of materials, the labor involved, overhead, and then we look at how much time it will save a busy person that earns 30 - 60 dollars per hour, hence if it saves that busy person 24 - 140 hours of labor then it is a good deal to that target market. Ten hours of that customers time is worth $300, free time is worth twice that because it is at a premium, and that
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« Reply #69 on: July 22, 2003, 07:46:45 pm »
SirPoonga,

We have seen the Hanaho cab, $599.95 for the cab, $199.95 for the stand to make it the size of our cab, it's made of melamine not covered in formica, add $100 for material and labor there, add a happ coin door and we think we are right in line with that pricing no? And I have to admit, if I had to choose between that cab that fits a 25" monitor and our cab which fits a 27" monitor, and between the looks of the SlikStik cab and that one, I would happily pay the $100 difference in price to get the SlikStik cab.

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« Reply #70 on: July 22, 2003, 08:24:22 pm »
SirPoonga,

We have seen the Hanaho cab, $599.95 for the cab, $199.95 for the stand to make it the size of our cab, it's made of melamine not covered in formica, add $100 for material and labor there, add a happ coin door and we think we are right in line with that pricing no? And I have to admit, if I had to choose between that cab that fits a 25" monitor and our cab which fits a 27" monitor, and between the looks of the SlikStik cab and that one, I would happily pay the $100 difference in price to get the SlikStik cab.

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That box is not $200!!!  Pplus if oyu just added that height to the cabient anyway it would be coming from the same sheet of material, essentially getting that height for free with not as much waste.  The Werkz could be cheaper too because of that :)  Plus just adding that extra bit on tot he cabinet instead of an addon is going to make it cheaper anyway.  With that said It shouldn't be $1000 to make what you make.  And the difference in monitors isn't going to cost an extra $100 in materials.  so you could make something much better and not cost much more than $600.

Again, basically a $400 difference in something that is very simular.

Melamine is that much more expensive then formica?  Formica doesn't cost that much, I have alot of it :)

My point being is you could still make what you make for $800 to the consumer which I said is reasonable since it is put together quite well.
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« Reply #71 on: July 22, 2003, 08:49:37 pm »
Hanaho sells the 10" stand for $199.95, our units use black melamine on the inside faces and black formica on the outside faces. Formica is about $30 per sheet, the cab uses 2 sheets and it does not just jump onto the cab when we bring it into the shop :)

That cab was your comparison not mine :) all I did was show you that it is not such a bargain compared to ours.


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« Reply #72 on: July 22, 2003, 08:54:09 pm »
I think people are making a mistake to be comparing what YOU can make a cab at home for, to what a manufacturer has to pay to make one.  Your savings come in labor/profit.  Without these two things, it's impossible/not worth it to make the product.  Yeah, we can all make a cab for the cost of materials and our time, which is free, but once it's gone it's gone.

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« Reply #73 on: July 22, 2003, 09:03:17 pm »
There is no "Labor" involved in cost here, you assemble this product at home, either way YOU are the one whose time ends up gone, not theirs...  Thus "Labor" is not a factor in the cost of this cabinet (unless you want to consider packaging Labor, which im sure takes an hour or two at least, but labor cost for packaging is not even comparable to labor per hour for a master craftsman...)

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« Reply #74 on: July 22, 2003, 09:08:25 pm »
That cab was your comparison not mine :) all I did was show you that it is not such a bargain compared to ours.


My point is it doesn't cost $400 to add to the Werks that extra 10", the coin door, and the extra couple of inches to width for the manufacturer.  It's all coming from the same sheets of material.  So adding the width and height is just moving the cut.  That's not an extra $200 to create the cabinet that way.


you are doing the marketting comparison, I am doing a manufacturing comparison.  So my point is to turn the werks into your cabinet is not $400 worth of manufacturing.  You can make your cabient cheaper than $1000 down to the $800 which is a much more reasonable price.

Yes, with what I can purchase as a consumer from Hanaho the price is close (except when you add a cp).  
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« Reply #75 on: July 22, 2003, 09:28:32 pm »
That's not an extra $200 to create the cabinet that way.

I think they're trying to say that it costs $200 to buy the 10" extension stand for the Hanaho cab (according to the Hanaho web site), not that it would cost SlikStik $200 to add 10" (most likely much less  ;) )

http://arcadewerx.com/Ultra/options.html

In other words, the Hanaho DIY cab ($600) + Hanaho 10" stand ($200) = $100 less than the SlikStik "lite" cab.

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« Reply #76 on: July 22, 2003, 09:35:27 pm »
That's not an extra $200 to create the cabinet that way.

I think they're trying to say that it costs $200 to buy the 10" extension stand for the Hanaho cab (according to the Hanaho web site), not that it would cost SlikStik $200 to add 10" (most likely much less  ;) )

http://arcadewerx.com/Ultra/options.html

In other words, the Hanaho DIY cab ($600) + Hanaho 10" stand ($200) = $100 less than the SlikStik "lite" cab.

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Exactly.  It isn't $200 manufacturing cost just to make the Werks with that extra 10".  The 10" extension is a marketing ploy to make the consumer pay more.  There is overhead when having more tha one piece instead of one piece which it could be, like SlikStik's cabinet.  So to the consumer to turn the Werks into the SlikStik cabinet will cost the same.  But think then if SlikStik was cheaper because it should be able to it would "steal" business from hanaho for those people who want all the frills.
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« Reply #77 on: July 22, 2003, 09:48:07 pm »
Exactly.  It isn't $200 manufacturing cost just to make the Werks with that extra 10".  The 10" extension is a marketing ploy to make the consumer pay more.  There is overhead when having more tha one piece instead of one piece which it could be, like SlikStik's cabinet.  So to the consumer to turn the Werks into the SlikStik cabinet will cost the same.  But think then if SlikStik was cheaper because it should be able to it would "steal" business from hanaho for those people who want all the frills.

Probably so - I don't doubt that SlikStik would seriously cut into the Hanaho cab sales at the same price point.

I wonder how many sales Hanaho has had of their Werx cabs? They seem to be doing well with their "premium" cabs - it certainly doesn't seem to hurt them that they've been getting their cabs into the locker rooms of some pro baseball teams!

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« Reply #78 on: July 22, 2003, 09:48:57 pm »
Yeah I get that now, but I'm comparing finished product to finished product, the consumer can fantasize about as many options as they like, in the end you have to buy a product that actually exists.

Obviously there is a cost to do business that some here don't really grasp over and above what the raw materials and labor is (and there is labor, these cab are not just spit out of a cnc machine fully completed, they are still 4 - 5 hours till completion). We have commercial space that we rent, a truck that needs to be paid for and insured, health insurance, cell phones, regular phones, electricity, airconditioning, heating, payroll, internet access, webhosting, garbage removal, advertising and probaly 10 other bills that are $50 - $100 per month that I can't even remember. When you factor all that in net profit on these cabs is really small.

But we get to work in a business that is fun most of the time and based on one of our favorite things like video games.  AND we get to make friends with every one of our customers and give them a blast from the past. We have tons of email from happy SlikStik customers and I am sure the cabs will bring the same response.

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« Reply #79 on: July 22, 2003, 10:16:19 pm »
Exactly.  It isn't $200 manufacturing cost just to make the Werks with that extra 10".  The 10" extension is a marketing ploy to make the consumer pay more.  There is overhead when having more tha one piece instead of one piece which it could be, like SlikStik's cabinet.  So to the consumer to turn the Werks into the SlikStik cabinet will cost the same.  But think then if SlikStik was cheaper because it should be able to it would "steal" business from hanaho for those people who want all the frills.

Probably so - I don't doubt that SlikStik would seriously cut into the Hanaho cab sales at the same price point.

I wonder how many sales Hanaho has had of their Werx cabs? They seem to be doing well with their "premium" cabs - it certainly doesn't seem to hurt them that they've been getting their cabs into the locker rooms of some pro baseball teams!

Now that's well-targeted marketing! :)

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Actually, if priced right, the SlikStik would slaughter the Hanaho Werks for the market it is intended.  Hanaho's main market isn't DIYers.  But since many DIYers buy the Hotrod Hanaho saw something there.  For what you get with the Werks it isn't that bad.  And I think the SlikStik cabinet is better built.  But for DIYers it is out of most DIYers price range.  Someone has to judge the target market a little better.

It may sound like I am against SlikStik in this thread.  No, I'm just expressing the view from a consumer stand-point.  

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« Reply #80 on: July 22, 2003, 10:17:38 pm »
There is no "Labor" involved in cost here, you assemble this product at home, either way YOU are the one whose time ends up gone, not theirs...  Thus "Labor" is not a factor in the cost of this cabinet (unless you want to consider packaging Labor, which im sure takes an hour or two at least, but labor cost for packaging is not even comparable to labor per hour for a master craftsman...)

It just depends on how you look at it I suppose :)

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« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2003, 10:24:53 pm »
Nice looking cab. I hope your next cab design will  be for apartment dwellers nice and compact. Anyway nice looking product hope it helps to cut down the maming of innocent classic cabinets.
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« Reply #82 on: July 22, 2003, 10:27:03 pm »
Having had the pleasure of actually *building* my own cab, instead of just talking about it, I can say that the Slikstik product sounds reasonable to me.  I wanted the challenge of building my own, and have some minor experience with using power tools.  Many people don't have experience or the tools, and I think this cab would be an attractive option.   Many, many hours I spent working on mine.  Slikstik has a machine to cut down on time, but then you have to pay for the machine.

Plus have to figure he's not going to sell a million of them thru Walmart, this a niche market and not going to have the same economies of scale.  

We should be encouraging the small business owner to support this hobby.

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« Reply #83 on: July 22, 2003, 10:40:52 pm »

We should be encouraging the small business owner to support this hobby.

my $0.02.

Amen, brother.  That's probably the best point made so far in this thread.  Isn't this hobby a lot more fun with great products and lots of choices?  The cool stuff that Kelsey is building, Christian's products, and the guy who sells the Tron repro handles are just a few examples of this.

We're lucky these guys are willing to devote their talents to this stuff.  Most commercial enterprises would look right past this tiny market.

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« Reply #84 on: July 22, 2003, 10:55:39 pm »

We should be encouraging the small business owner to support this hobby.

my $0.02.

Amen, brother.  That's probably the best point made so far in this thread.  Isn't this hobby a lot more fun with great products and lots of choices?  The cool stuff that Kelsey is building, Christian's products, and the guy who sells the Tron repro handles are just a few examples of this.

We're lucky these guys are willing to devote their talents to this stuff.  Most commercial enterprises would look right past this tiny market.


This is the best turn this thread has taken, lets keep it this way.  If people that actually have an interest in promoting and furthering the hobby are are scorned and shunned upon, what will be left?

Quite frankly, I'm ashamed of some of the comments made in this thread.  I know that BYOAC'ers are better than this.  Let's start to act like it.



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« Reply #85 on: July 22, 2003, 11:01:45 pm »
I am still having hard time "understanding" the reason why everyone's bashing the product ! WTF ?

I honestly honestly think the price IS reasonable because where else can we buy empty brand new arcade machines.
Professionally build.

Besides it shouldn't be none of our business(bashing) since we are not buying.
dont have to make the product or company look like $hit without any reason.  :)
I am sure there is market for cabinets(just not around here).
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« Reply #86 on: July 22, 2003, 11:03:11 pm »
I thought I'd post this here since a few of you want a pre-cut cabinet but not assemblied to avoid the usual overhead or you just lack time or woodworking skills (originally posted over at mameroom forum) ...


IRONMAN
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"IS ANYONE OFFERING CNC ROUTER SERVICES TO CUT OUT THE CABINETS? IF NOT I CAN OFFER THIS SERVICE.
I AM ALSO THE LARGEST RESELLER OF USED CNC ROUTERS ON THE PLANET. WWW.DIAMONDMACH.COM"

"I WOULD HAVE TO GET A NOMINAL CHARGE (SAY A $100.00 OR SO) FOR RE-DRAWING THEM IN CAD THEN IMPORTING THEM INTO CAM SOFTWARE AND POST PROCESSING THEM INTO CNC CODE.  ONCE THIS WAS DONE THE CABINETS COULD THEN BE CUT OUT USING STANDARD MDF OR THERMOFUSED MELAMINE (TFM) WHICH COMES IN AN ARRAY OF COLORS INCLUDING BLACK, GRAY, WHITE YELLOW ETC ETC. ITS MORE EXPENSIVE BUT NO PAINTING WOULD BE REQUIRED."
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.. figured since some of you were interested in this kind of service and he's offering it for custom arcade cabinets (your own design or someone elses) ... I'd post it

Save yourself some money if you already had your design in AutoCAD  ;D

Hope that helps a few of you out on your next cabinet project  ;)

(Seems to be some confusion ... I'm not the person offering this service ... so please don't e-mail me about this ... thanks)

here's his contact info
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FAX: 704-209-0802
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« Reply #87 on: July 22, 2003, 11:07:31 pm »
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Nuff said.

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We should be encouraging the small business owner to support this hobby.

my $0.02.

Amen, brother.  That's probably the best point made so far in this thread.  Isn't this hobby a lot more fun with great products and lots of choices?  The cool stuff that Kelsey is building, Christian's products, and the guy who sells the Tron repro handles are just a few examples of this.

We're lucky these guys are willing to devote their talents to this stuff.  Most commercial enterprises would look right past this tiny market.


This is the best turn this thread has taken, lets keep it this way.  If people that actually have an interest in promoting and furthering the hobby are are scorned and shunned upon, what will be left?

Quite frankly, I'm ashamed of some of the comments made in this thread.  I know that BYOAC'ers are better than this.  Let's start to act like it.



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« Reply #88 on: July 22, 2003, 11:13:17 pm »
I am still having hard time "understanding" the reason why everyone's bashing the product ! WTF ?
No, not bashing the product.  The product is pretty damn cool.  It's the price, it isn't targetted for this croud.
That's me, I'm sure the product is great, but something needs to be thoughtout more for hte target market.  

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I am sure there is market for cabinets(just not around here).
Good luck on the product ! ;D
Actually, this would be the market for it since they posted the info here.

I'm done ranting though.  I ususally don;t make this much fuss but SlikStik didn;t understand what I was saying right away.
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« Reply #90 on: July 22, 2003, 11:28:39 pm »
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Man, you just love to argue, even if it means ignoring the obvious truth.  Yeah, the sides are cut out on a CNC, but are they loaded on there by a robot?  Does a robot measure, cut and install the t-molding?  Does a robot gather and check all the miscellaneous bits and pieces and prep for shipping?  Robot QC?  There has to be some kind of manual labor involved in the manufacture of ANY physical object.  I don't know how much, or what it costs for slikstik, but it exists, I assure you.  Get real.

True, you do have to have somoene to load the wood, remove the wood when finished, etc etc.  But that person is usually a low paid average joe, working both hours on the CNC Mill for six to eight bucks an hour, he is not some master craftman earning 50 dollars an hour.  I never said that there wasnt, but then we dont know the situation either.

Heres an Example, lets say Christian /owns/ a Mill, and already has a surplus of wood availible (from business with the control panels), and lets say he loads the wood himself onto the mill, inspects it and sends it on the way.  

Now, logically this makes more sence, if this Job is Christians bread and butter like he makes it out to be, then for him to NOT own a mill would be... lacking... to say the least.  Now, he can hire any old slob to load the machine for 6 bucks an hour, under the table, or even load it himself.  Now, since we are adding in cell phones, payroll and such, then this must be a full fledged business as you have to have licences, meaning that these arcade cabinets are also putting food on the table and paying the rent as well, if thats true then owning a Mill is not a good Idea, its neccessary, because the cost would be far too prohibitive otherwise, thus the profit would hardly be enough for anything, much less payroll, electricity bills, cell phones, etc.

The point still remains that they are overpriced, either from stupidity, or due to poor business management.

Now, I would also like to point out, that my entire "argueing" has been centered around the price (and all things related).  I have not "bashed the product"  I think it is marvolous that someone is making a quality cabinet for consumer purchase, I just dont believe in robbing people blind, or even willingly.

Again, I commmend Slik Stik for taking initiative to create the product, and such, but once again, what good does their product to the average consumer... after all, most of the people on this website are here to build their own, not have somone sell them one... especially at such an ubsurd price.

And just to reiterate, Im not bashing the product, I think the product is great... just not worth it.

The point is, there is no way logically speaking that the cost is as much as
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« Reply #91 on: July 22, 2003, 11:30:35 pm »
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Man, you just love to argue, even if it means ignoring the obvious truth.  Yeah, the sides are cut out on a CNC, but are they loaded on there by a robot?  Does a robot measure, cut and install the t-molding?  Does a robot gather and check all the miscellaneous bits and pieces and prep for shipping?  Robot QC?  There has to be some kind of manual labor involved in the manufacture of ANY physical object.  I don't know how much, or what it costs for slikstik, but it exists, I assure you.  Get real.

True, you do have to have somoene to load the wood, remove the wood when finished, etc etc.  But that person is usually a low paid average joe, working both hours on the CNC Mill for six to eight bucks an hour, he is not some master craftman earning 50 dollars an hour.  I never said that there wasnt, but then we dont know the situation either.

Heres an Example, lets say Christian /owns/ a Mill, and already has a surplus of wood availible (from business with the control panels), and lets say he loads the wood himself onto the mill, inspects it and sends it on the way.  

Now, logically this makes more sence, if this Job is Christians bread and butter like he makes it out to be, then for him to NOT own a mill would be... lacking... to say the least.  Now, he can hire any old slob to load the machine for 6 bucks an hour, under the table, or even load it himself.  Now, since we are adding in cell phones, payroll and such, then this must be a full fledged business as you have to have licences, meaning that these arcade cabinets are also putting food on the table and paying the rent as well, if thats true then owning a Mill is not a good Idea, its neccessary, because the cost would be far too prohibitive otherwise, thus the profit would hardly be enough for anything, much less payroll, electricity bills, cell phones, etc.

The point still remains that they are overpriced, either from stupidity, or due to poor business management.

Now, I would also like to point out, that my entire "argueing" has been centered around the price (and all things related).  I have not "bashed the product"  I think it is marvolous that someone is making a quality cabinet for consumer purchase, I just dont believe in robbing people blind, or even willingly.

Again, I commmend Slik Stik for taking initiative to create the product, and such, but once again, what good does their product to the average consumer... after all, most of the people on this website are here to build their own, not have somone sell them one... especially at such an ubsurd price.

And just to reiterate, Im not bashing the product, I think the product is great... just not worth it.

The point is, there is no way logically speaking that the cost is as much as

Dude, do you ever stop???
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« Reply #92 on: July 22, 2003, 11:30:37 pm »
Can I get a group hug  ;D

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« Reply #93 on: July 22, 2003, 11:34:59 pm »
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Man, you just love to argue, even if it means ignoring the obvious truth.  Yeah, the sides are cut out on a CNC, but are they loaded on there by a robot?  Does a robot measure, cut and install the t-molding?  Does a robot gather and check all the miscellaneous bits and pieces and prep for shipping?  Robot QC?  There has to be some kind of manual labor involved in the manufacture of ANY physical object.  I don't know how much, or what it costs for slikstik, but it exists, I assure you.  Get real.

True, you do have to have somoene to load the wood, remove the wood when finished, etc etc.  But that person is usually a low paid average joe, working both hours on the CNC Mill for six to eight bucks an hour, he is not some master craftman earning 50 dollars an hour.  I never said that there wasnt, but then we dont know the situation either.

Heres an Example, lets say Christian /owns/ a Mill, and already has a surplus of wood availible (from business with the control panels), and lets say he loads the wood himself onto the mill, inspects it and sends it on the way.  

Now, logically this makes more sence, if this Job is Christians bread and butter like he makes it out to be, then for him to NOT own a mill would be... lacking... to say the least.  Now, he can hire any old slob to load the machine for 6 bucks an hour, under the table, or even load it himself.  Now, since we are adding in cell phones, payroll and such, then this must be a full fledged business as you have to have licences, meaning that these arcade cabinets are also putting food on the table and paying the rent as well, if thats true then owning a Mill is not a good Idea, its neccessary, because the cost would be far too prohibitive otherwise, thus the profit would hardly be enough for anything, much less payroll, electricity bills, cell phones, etc.

The point still remains that they are overpriced, either from stupidity, or due to poor business management.

Now, I would also like to point out, that my entire "argueing" has been centered around the price (and all things related).  I have not "bashed the product"  I think it is marvolous that someone is making a quality cabinet for consumer purchase, I just dont believe in robbing people blind, or even willingly.

Again, I commmend Slik Stik for taking initiative to create the product, and such, but once again, what good does their product to the average consumer... after all, most of the people on this website are here to build their own, not have somone sell them one... especially at such an ubsurd price.

And just to reiterate, Im not bashing the product, I think the product is great... just not worth it.

The point is, there is no way logically speaking that the cost is as much as

FYI, (Use spell checker next time, it would kind of make you sound not so ignorant)...

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« Reply #94 on: July 22, 2003, 11:35:18 pm »
haha, just no sneaky reach arounds from anyone...


i do believe the price is a very tough call. im nearly done with mine (will have lots of pics) and it is quite a complex design compared to 99% of cabs ive seen. it will have taken me approx 8 solid days (4 weekends) to build when done. although the first is always a good bit slower.
today i was standing there in the garage and feeling proud of myself. it looks good, no CNC machined, but doing a bit in my head, i was thinking i could build them to sell with TV, sound, and comp for perhaps 1300 for parts, and make it a nice round $2000 complete with labor time. so taking the slik into that, comp, sound, TV (thinking 250ish for a good TV vs 500 for a WG) a 900-1000 more for a playable slik cab seems about right. although mine has glass and 4player.

i think though, if it were priced a touch lower, it would be so much more appealing for the simple fact that few want to build a cab, but most wanna build there own CP design.

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« Reply #95 on: July 22, 2003, 11:51:42 pm »
I can't believe I'm getting so involved in this...

Why is it that every time a new pre-fab cab is announced, everyone around here goes into hysterics?  No one complains about any of the other hardware promoted on this site.  I haven't noticed anyone ripping on Andy for selling I-PACs at a higher price than the Keywiz.  What is it about cabinets that gets everyone so nuts?

For all you whining about the price, take a look at the X-Arcade machine.  Same price, but you're not even getting something that actually looks like an arcade cab!  I thought that was too much to pay for an erzats "arcade machine", but I would actually consider the slikstik offering at this price.  Also notice that x-arcade is still offering that thing, so they must be selling...  ::)  Considering what you get (basically a pro-looking cab you can put together in an evening) it's not that bad.  Some might say that paying $12 for a joystick with no base, that you still have to build or buy a separate interface for and then put together, is way overpriced, but we all buy them anyway!  ;)

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« Reply #96 on: July 22, 2003, 11:52:34 pm »
I think it is marvolous that someone is making a quality cabinet for consumer purchase, I just dont believe in robbing people blind, or even willingly.

Again, I commmend Slik Stik for taking initiative to create the product, and such, but once again, what good does their product to the average consumer... after all, most of the people on this website are here to build their own, not have somone sell them one... especially at such an ubsurd price.

And just to reiterate, Im not bashing the product, I think the product is great... just not worth it.

The point is, there is no way logically speaking that the cost is as much as

That's nice.  Thanks for letting this thing end on a graceful note.  ::)

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« Reply #97 on: July 22, 2003, 11:59:40 pm »
True, you do have to have somoene to load the wood, remove the wood when finished, etc etc...  I never said that there wasnt...

Oh Amra, Amra, Amra you nutty guy, yes you did--->

There is no "Labor" involved in cost here, you assemble this product at home, either way YOU are the one whose time ends up gone, not theirs...  Thus "Labor" is not a factor in the cost of this cabinet....

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The point still remains that they are overpriced, either from stupidity, or due to poor business management.

Then I guess they'll soon go under, and that will be the end of that...  ::)
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« Reply #98 on: July 23, 2003, 12:08:23 am »
Why is it that every time a new pre-fab cab is announced, everyone around here goes into hysterics?  

I think it's because the prefabs don't understand this target  market.  There's a reason people here build their own or convert, it's cheap.  Usually these machines are on a tight budget.  How many posts have we had where a person said they went well over budget or their cabinet has to wait and they are just going to do the control panel because of budget.

People do complain about other new hardware.   The dotron spinner got complaints of price.

Look at the past announcements of prefab cabs and their main complaints.  
X-Arcade - Ugly and over priced
ArcadeWerks - Ugly
Wico Jamma - small
Those are all I could think up off hand.  Not all were complaints about price.  
The fact is there isn't much for prefab that fits a market that is on a budget.

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« Reply #99 on: July 23, 2003, 12:14:23 am »
The thing is, I don't think we're the primary (or only) market for this.  I think Sharper Image sells the Arcade PC.  That's probably a better market--people who are ignorant of how cheap it is to do it yourself, or have enough money not to bother with it.  But slickstick would be stupid to ignore the extra sales it might be able to get here...

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« Reply #100 on: July 23, 2003, 12:37:05 am »
Hmm, just a thought...but don't you think that if slikstik could afford to sell their cabs for close to what it costs us, wouldn't they do it?  They'd almost be guaranteed to get huge volumes of orders from all of us who are planning to make a cab from here on!  If that were the case, I know I'd buy one in a heartbeat for my next project, rather than spend all my weekends in frustration pushing power tools around!  :D

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« Reply #101 on: July 23, 2003, 12:59:37 am »
Yes, I can see how 4 mispellings and some typos verifies complete and total ignorance.

And 1up, You should have been able to infer when I said Labor (in Quotes) I was referring to actual construction, of which there is NONE, This doesnt include labor costs such as toting around goods because that type of labor is cheap, unlike constuction labor.  You know as well as I that any poor slop will carry wood around for 6 bucks an hour, it sounds more like your "reaching" then anything.  I guess I need to be very obvious and specific because its humerous at just how desperate you all are getting to discredit what I am saying... no matter how valid.  Are you truly reduced to taking Jabs at the error level of 43 wpm typing, seriously.. thats a little desperate.  

Yes, I can go on and on and on, so as long as someone keeps trying to justify their position, I will justify mine.  And who doesnt love a healthy debate?

So, do you own a mill, or are you paying someone to do the cutting, because if your paying other people to cut it, I will shut up right now, because it would then be obvious that if I am ignorant, your right down here with me.

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« Reply #102 on: July 23, 2003, 01:57:44 am »
I'm new to the forum and feeling sucked in by this thread...

I'm just at the start of my project and decided to build my own cabinet. I looked at buying a cab but didn't like what I saw (didn't see the SlikStik cabinet), so I'm happy enough to build my own. But, my savings? Hmmmm...

Based on what I've read and my own experience thus far, the $350 for materials is really just the starting point. There's the "extras" that you need or end up buying because you're there or because it'll make the project easier. For me, I've got the basic material, plus the spade bit, the slotting bit, extra clamps, and throw in a jig saw. Sure, these are mine to keep after the project is over, but it adds to my out-of-pocket costs.

Beyond the extras, there is significantly more time involved. I'm anal so I've already taken time to pore over and refine my design. Based on the examples of other projects I've read through, the construction is also a multi-weekend effort. Add to that the 17 extra trips to Home Dept to fix the screw-ups, and the purchase route isn't looking so bad after all.

I mean, really...The alternative is this nice, professional looking cabinet. Is it more expensive than my raw materials? Sure. On the other hand, will the quality of construction/finish be better than my own cabinet? Honestly... for most of us, yes. Will it go together faster than the DIY project? Yes.

Let's not castigate SlikStik for exercising a little entrepreneurial spirit while trying to add to the community. The product price is in line with its competition... not so outlandish as to deserve such a vitriolic response.

It seems like there may be a market segmentation opportunity for SlikStik: an entry-level cabinet for the price-conscious and a more deluxe model for those who want some of the extra features.

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« Reply #103 on: July 23, 2003, 02:18:29 am »
And 1up, You should have been able to infer when I said Labor (in Quotes) I was referring to actual construction, of which there is NONE, This doesnt include labor costs such as toting around goods because that type of labor is cheap, unlike constuction labor.

Do you even READ before posting?  No construction labor huh?  What do you call installing t-molding?  I'd say that constitutes construction.  I would assume that cutting the slot for the t-molding is also a manual process, unless they can do that at the same time as the cutting.  They may not be doing the final assembly, but I think you aren't in any place to say that there is ZERO construction labor going on.  If you want to keep taking such an extreme position, I can continue to find holes in your argument.

Labor is labor, it costs something, and quite frankly, unless you're there on the production floor, I don't think you can really say what that labor is.  If he claims that there is 5 hours of work left on each one after the wood is cut, he's either a liar, or there's a lot more to do than just lugging wood around on a dolly.  They have to put in the pre-drilled holes for one, and I assume that requires lining up a template and drilling.  I'm not saying that's expensive, but it's still labor.  I have nothing invested in this company or its products, but I just find it ridiculous that you take such an extreme position on this, like the cabs just pop out Christian's --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules--.

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« Reply #104 on: July 23, 2003, 02:42:40 am »
Hi All:

its like 2:30 am and I'm still reading this thread... (this is sick... I'm sucked in... still have to work tmw....)

I think its clear that we all (maybe almost all) like the design and features of the cab....

only thing that is left open to argue is the price....

can we just let time decide if they make a good decision or not ??....

look back in 6 months... or 1 yr.... see if they're still selling it... see if they're throwing more packages/deals to it.... see if they stand on their price or offer discounts....

arguing like this really is a waste of our time.....
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« Reply #105 on: July 23, 2003, 03:33:05 am »
I am still having hard time "understanding" the reason why everyone's bashing the product ! WTF ?
No, not bashing the product.  The product is pretty damn cool.  It's the price, it isn't targetted for this croud.
That's me, I'm sure the product is great, but something needs to be thoughtout more for hte target market.  

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I am sure there is market for cabinets(just not around here).
Good luck on the product ! ;D
Actually, this would be the market for it since they posted the info here.

I'm done ranting though.  I ususally don;t make this much fuss but SlikStik didn;t understand what I was saying right away.

I think SirP and myself are on exactly the same page here.  If I were bashing the product, trust me, you'd know.  When x-arcade posted their "cabinet"  here I quite literally said that it was a p.o.s. in the thread started about it. Christian is taking what we are saying the wrong way.  We like the cabinet, there just isn't a market for the price.  DIY's want a cheaper product and those who aren't want a complete product.  I really wish that before these company's make a product like this they would make a post with a mockup and the estimated price range.  I'm also unsure to why Christian posted a pic of the cab after my last reply.  We all know what it looks like and the quality involved, but even if there are 100$ worth of "extras" that I overlooked, it's still 150-300$ overpriced for this target audience.  This isn't just my opinion or else I wouldn't be pushing it.  

I honestly hate to see businesses fail because of a bad idea.   If you can't make an empty cab for 700 bucks then you shouldn't, because real arcade manufacturers can.  I hope that it does well, but I doubt it will as-is.  

I will agree that some of the posters have a poor attitude about their view either way.  I don't think it's constructive to fight over it either way, unless you give some advice on how to change things.  

I think the cab would sell much better if you could get the price down about 150 bucks or include a basic slikstick panel with the purchase (at the same price).  As sirp and myself have stated, the product isn't bad at all, it's who you are trying to sell it to.  Make up your mind and adjust the product accordingly.  :)  

I'll be quiet now because my intention was to be helpful, not to beat a deadhorse.  

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« Reply #106 on: July 23, 2003, 04:49:46 am »
Touche 1UP :)  But we still know that Installing T-Molding is also something that is done in 5 minutes with a rubber mallet, again, something that the same guy your paying 6 bucks an hour to tote your wood can do at no extra charge.  So, once again there is no true construction labor involved, but then I dont know if the wood comes precovered or if that has to be done just before milling, because that would actually require a little skill (little, but still there)...

I think we are all getting kinda knit pickity now, the point remains that the cabinet is overpriced, I never said it was ugly, I never said it was poorly constructed, I simply said it was Overpriced (because it is), you can fight all you want, but the fact remains that the cab it not meant for majority of the people on this site... so why put it here? It just doesnt make sense to advertise a product and then tell the people reading it, that it was not even targetted for that general populous, that it was meant for people who want a cab NOW, who just happen to have almost a thousand dollars to blow...  It seems a little... well... cocky, bold, brash, rude, pretentious, evincing, yokelish...

Anyhow, I know you all are like "when will it end" but you are also curious whats coming next, kinda like a traffic jam due to an accident, its always on the other side of the road... you dont really wanna read/look, but you cant help it... lol
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« Reply #107 on: July 23, 2003, 06:30:05 am »
I think people are making a mistake to be comparing what YOU can make a cab at home for, to what a manufacturer has to pay to make one.  Your savings come in labor/profit.  Without these two things, it's impossible/not worth it to make the product.  Yeah, we can all make a cab for the cost of materials and our time, which is free, but once it's gone it's gone.

But THEIR savings (are supposed to) come from mass production and volume buying. Wal-Mart has spoiled  us all? A "company" is supposed to be able to develop some buying power. The problem is, SlikStik is probably 3 guys in a garage....
Maybe part of the problem is Christian touting themselves as some big, high powered company? If that's the case then people expect the $99.99 cabinets.
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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #108 on: July 23, 2003, 07:54:21 am »
Way out of left field:

What is the reason for most restaurants that go out of business within the first year?
Because the prices are too low for the restaurant to make money.  Too few customers and bad quality account for a minority of those restaurants that go out of business within a year.

I usually eat at the cheap fast food / chinese / burrito / pizza joints.  I almost never eat at the steak houses because the dishes cost too much.  Just cause I don't eat at the steak joints does not mean they should price their steaks the same as a burger.

And sometimes those who eat mostly at the high end steak and shrimp restaurants also eat at fast food joints.


WTF does the above have to do with this thread?
I'm with SirPoonga and Howard: the SilkStik cab is a top quality steak, and is too high priced for me to afford.  BYOAC is centered around us fast food price people, and the steak costs quite a bit more than the burgers I am willing to buy.  To say, however, that no one visiting BYOAC can pay $900 ($1100 w/ CP) is stretching it; there way be some steak & shrimp people lurking around.

I think Amra is a little off, however, and is trying to argue the price of a steak should be close to that of a burger.  Most restaurant owners that go out of business forget about "hidden" overheads, such as taxes, office space, web site services, advertisements, phone, water, gas, electricity, trash pickup, warehouse space, depreciation, maintenance, repairs, etc, let alone any business profit.  I know, I know; much of these overheads are shared across the rest of SlikStik's products, but the cab uses a lot of space and tool time compared to the rest of the stuff.  I'm not going to guess at the actual margins or sales volume, but margins need to surprisingly high for low to medium sales volumes in order to make money.

Remember, too many people have thought "I can make the same quality food dishes and sell it at lower prices; I should start my own restaurant" and were wrong by thousands of dollars and dashed dreams within a year.


Oh, but sometimes I wish I could have some steak.  $900 is a little high for me, Christian, but the cab looks so good my mouth is watering. :)

(Sorry to all vegetarians for my steak = high quality metaphor)
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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #109 on: July 23, 2003, 10:00:28 am »
hmm... I think my cabinet is a steak... but I purchased it one bite (byte?!) at a time, and everything was al a carte. =P

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #110 on: July 23, 2003, 10:19:27 am »
uRebel,

Good analogy.

Amra,

The reason we post here is because a lot of people that wind up here are just passing through on the new journey of MAME and control panels and home arcade machines. We think we have a good mix of products, some of them are geared towards this crowd like our spinners and tops and joystick handles, you just can't make those things yourself feasibly and a BYOAC'er might buy them. Our blank panels are another product that might interest someone here.

The cabs, well we know they are not in the price range of everyone, and they don't appeal to everyone, but if you knew how many 1 time visitors come through BYOAC, stumble on a post or a review of our product line and then buy a product from us then you would understand why we as well as other commercial vendors post here.

You might have mentioned it before if you have please refresh my memory, what do you think this cabinet should be priced at?

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #111 on: July 23, 2003, 10:37:46 am »
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« Reply #112 on: July 23, 2003, 10:49:06 am »
To Amra -

You seem to be taking quite a bit of heat in this thread.

Your main points seem to be (if I may paraphrase):

A. $1000 is more than I'm willing to spend for a pre-fab arcade cabinet, no matter how high the quality.

B. $1000 is an unreasonable price for a pre-fab arcade cabinet, no matter how high the quality.


Regarding A, that's fine, and in fact Slik-Stik acknowledges there will be quite a few people that feel this way.

But B seems to be where you're getting in trouble.  Because Slik-Stik doesn't provide their a cost breakdown (in fairness, I don't think they're obligated to), you take a swag at it:

1. parts and raw materials: $300-$400
2. process equipment/facilities (including overhead): ?? (would you say $100)
3. labor (including overhead): ?? (would you say $100)
4. profit: ~$400
Total: $1000

I don't think many people will dispute your estimate for #1, but the remaining categories are not as easy to calculate.  Your supporting data:

"you can purchase a mill for less then 20,000 naturally they are usually refurbished, or used"
and

"he can hire any old slob to load the machine for 6 bucks an hour, under the table, or even load it himself"
is unconvincing and lacks credibility (even implying Slik-Stik of shady business practices).  These assumptions don't seem to be based on actual experience (you may have a great deal of experience in starting up a small business, I don't know), and they rather are vague and unclear.  There are a lot of details that aren't addressed - how much does it actually cost to hire people at minimum wage (are there tax issues)?  How long does it take to finish a single unit?  How many units are produced?  I'm not saying you're wrong, but your cost model just doesn't get into enough detail on all the expenses to justify your conclusion:

"The point still remains that they are overpriced, either from stupidity, or due to poor business management."

For me, the bottom line is that I'm mostly in agreement with you - $1000 is more than I'm willing to spend on a cabinet (now, if that included shipping, I would seriously consider getting one, hint,hint,hint  :)).  Can Slik-Stik sell it for less and still make a profit?  I think they could, but I don't have (and haven't seen) any data that indicates they can.  Since I don't have experience in operating a small business, the best I can do is compare the Slik-Stik cabinet to the competitors products.  It's certainly a fair price compared to the X-arcade unit - of course, that could just mean that the X-arcade is even more over-priced  :), but Slik-Stik shouldn't be single out as being gouging/incompetent in their pricing.

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #113 on: July 23, 2003, 11:00:16 am »


(Sorry to all vegetarians for my steak = high quality metaphor)

ok as a veggie (am i the only one here?), I forgive you...this time... ;D

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« Reply #114 on: July 23, 2003, 11:14:11 am »
I like to think of my cab as a fresh cut of veal that died of loneliness  :)

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« Reply #115 on: July 23, 2003, 11:20:17 am »

...but if you knew how many 1 time visitors come through BYOAC, stumble on a post or a review of our product line and then buy a product from us then you would understand why we as well as other commercial vendors post here.


That's exactly why threads like this are so unfortunate.  First-time visitors are going to conclude that 1) We're a bunch of jackasses on this board, and 2) SlikStik is (might be) ripping the community off.  And neither point is fair.

Everyone knows what they are willing and able to spend for a product.  Some here have pointed out that the SlikStik cab is out of their price range.  That's fair.  Tell Christian and Jerry what you'd be willing to spend and what you'd expect in return for that money.  If you don't think the cab is a good value, then that's a valid perspective and SlikStik should be glad to get the honest feedback.

But no one has a right to say or imply that SlikStik is ripping anyone off.  That's not fair.  No one has complete enough information to say anything of the sort.  And besides, if I want to spend $1,100 smacks on a "steak", isn't that MY choice?  Isn't that choice as valid as the one that finds the cab to be a poor value or out of range?

Of course SlikStik and others should advertise here.  Don't we want this board to continue to be an important information resource for the hobby?  Everyone can see what they're getting for the money, let everyone make an informed choice.  I think we should be very honest but also fair in what we say.  Afterall, these discussions COULD be an influencer in some noob purchasing behavior.  

Let's be supportive of OSCAR, SlikStik, and the other small businesses in this space.  These guys are kicking out some quality products, most of which I'll never buy for one reason or another.  But what's the downside to having a variety of quality products available -- even if I can't afford or don't want all of them?

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« Reply #116 on: July 23, 2003, 11:29:58 am »
As a side note, I used to think this board was a bunch of snobs when I first visited.  I know now that's not true.  But whenever someone mentioned buying a panel there were usually a few posters that would throw little snide comments out there about being on the wrong board, just build it yourself, why are you here, etc.

I love this board now though  :)

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #117 on: July 23, 2003, 11:50:45 am »
When I first saw the SlikStik site, and looked at their CP's, my immediate reaction was that they were overcharging something fierce and ripping people off.

After doing the math on the parts, and the labor (wiring is tedious, even if you have a pre-built harness) - they don't have such a huge margin as I first suspected.  After building my own panels, I have a new respect for the prices they offer, and I no longer feel their panels are over priced in anyway.  I feel they are right on target for the quality of the workmanship + the price of the controls you get.

I'm not really sure how I feel about the cabinet.  On one hand, you can get a used arcade cab (not a classic, just one of the newer hunks O' junk) and modify it for your purposes.  This will frequently costs you anywhere from "Haul this thing away and you can have it" to around $300 - $400.  Either way, it's cheaper than any cab I've seen on the net for sale, and you sometimes get a working machine/electronics. (I recently "hauled away" a perfectly good Dragons Lair, complete with Laserdisc!  Laser unit is out though... but everything else works.  No, I'm not going to butcher the cab... I'm going to put an emu in it running DL and leave it in all it's Dragon's Lair glory).  

On the other hand, the SlikStik cab is custom built for exactly what you want it to do, and it comes with working coin mechs.  I won't say it's a bad deal, and I won't say it's over priced, but I do think it's more than _I_, personally, want to spend on a cab w/o a monitor.  But for someone who isn't electronically and/or power tool inclined, it's not that bad of a deal, all in all.

Now, if they have a "bundle" deal, where they sell a SlikStik and the cab for a lower price than either of them together, that might be something I'd be interested in.

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« Reply #118 on: July 23, 2003, 11:52:55 am »
I'm not sure why everyone is coming down so hard on Christian.  His cabinet looks like a great product.  And while the price may be a bit out of my range, I'm sure that it will find a place in the market.  So lighten up guys.  All this means is now there's another option for those wanting to get into this wonderful hobby.  Let's show others that we can be both helpful AND respectful.  

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« Reply #119 on: July 23, 2003, 12:46:07 pm »
Sorry, I gotta chime in here...


I simply said it was Overpriced (because it is), you can fight all you want, but the fact remains that the cab it not meant for majority of the people on this site... so why put it here?

Why put it here?  Like any good entrepreneur Christian is taking advantage of free advertising.  If even one person from the board here buys a cabinet from him, it makes all the time he spent making his original post <about 1 min> more than worthwhile.  In the mean time, with all the posts since then about it, just how many people know about it now? And how many more are telling other people about it.  Word-of-mouth is a powerful ally in any business, and I can

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #120 on: July 23, 2003, 01:50:09 pm »
After building a cab of my own, I can see how prices can quickly get out of hand.  I'm not talking about your average painted MDF or plywood cab.  Melamine and laminate is not that cheap (especially in colors), even when you buy it direct.  If you're doing it yourself, you'll need two 4x8 sheets just to build the sides.   If you're lucky, you can build the front and back from the leftovers, but most likely you'll need a third sheet.

People email me all the time to ask if I'll builld them a rotating CP cab.  I ususally give them an estimate of $6000 to $8000.  This is half just to make them give up and build it themselves (it works, I never hear from them again  ;) ) but it's also because I'd have to take a few weeks off of work to build another one, and that's how much money I would lose from the time off.

Now maybe I'm luckier than some, I make a pretty decent living (although it doesn't stretch as far here in California) but when I get ready to make another cab, it will probably be a pre-fab or a used jamma or something that I can just stuff a PC into and be done with.  When I built the first one, I was out of work for a full month, but I would have rather had the work and bought a ready made cab, except that no one makes a cab like the one I wanted!  :)  To me, $1000 for a cab that's probably better quality than the one I built, that just needs the guts and a little finishing, is not out of the question.  But I won't argue that it's not for everyone...
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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #121 on: July 23, 2003, 02:11:28 pm »
hey 1up.... instead of asking you to build me your cab....

maybe you should work on a "rotating cp add-on kit" that can be easily added on to.... let's say... slikstick's pre-fab cab (or other generic cabs...) !!!...

that would be a cool thing to have..... haaa haa.....

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #122 on: July 23, 2003, 03:22:38 pm »
We just wanted to thank everyone who has posted positive as well as objective replies to our new product. One thing is for certain; you will continue to see cutting edge products from the SlikStik team for years to come.

:)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)
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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #123 on: July 23, 2003, 03:33:24 pm »
Damn!  Did I miss everything?!

Oh, well..  Nice looking cabinet slikster.

Everyone else:  Quit yer bitchin. ;)


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« Reply #124 on: July 23, 2003, 04:01:12 pm »
I just took 5 to check out this new machine, mixed receptions so far I gather...

So, $900 for the lite version, which I think is ~

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« Reply #125 on: July 23, 2003, 05:01:48 pm »
Everyone else:  Quit yer bitchin. ;)

HEhe, you mean objective response :)  Hey, without feedback companies don't know if their product needs a change or not :)

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« Reply #126 on: July 23, 2003, 05:16:39 pm »
Here we go again... I'll tell you what, you make the same exact cabinets we make for $335.00 and I will by them from you all day long.

Let's be fair, he isn't saying you should sell them for $335, he estimated the materials at $335.  If you want to be witty, then say you will buy the parts from him all day long for $335 and then build your cabs...
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« Reply #127 on: July 23, 2003, 06:03:18 pm »
I would pay 650, slightly more if it recieves good reviews, but thats for the Lite cab, as that (provided you own your own mill) would give you nearly the 300 dollar profit, the price that you saved me due to the 10 hours of cutting, sanding, shaping and drilling that I didnt have to do ( all at a craftsmans rate of 30 dollars an hour).  Since I still have to assemble it, I dont see paying you a 600 dollar profit.  Again, this is under the assumption you own your own mill, if you dont own one, I am not going to pay you an extra 300 Dollars just because you have to pay someone else to cut the stuff for you, that is your fault, not mine...

Ok, Im done ranting...  I promise :)

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #128 on: July 23, 2003, 09:25:59 pm »
I would pay 650, slightly more if it recieves good reviews, but thats for the Lite cab, as that (provided you own your own mill) would give you nearly the 300 dollar profit, the price that you saved me due to the 10 hours of cutting, sanding, shaping and drilling that I didnt have to do ( all at a craftsmans rate of 30 dollars an hour).  Since I still have to assemble it, I dont see paying you a 600 dollar profit.  Again, this is under the assumption you own your own mill, if you dont own one, I am not going to pay you an extra 300 Dollars just because you have to pay someone else to cut the stuff for you, that is your fault, not mine...

Ok, Im done ranting...  I promise :)

Good Luck once again!

Maybe we should just give you one, and then you could be busy assembling it rather than posting any more replies! On second thought, maybe not.
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« Reply #129 on: July 23, 2003, 09:38:35 pm »
I'll take one if you're giving a few away!   ;D

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« Reply #130 on: July 23, 2003, 09:47:42 pm »
You still havent said whether you own or rent a mill... Wonder why that is :)
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« Reply #131 on: July 23, 2003, 10:41:10 pm »
You still havent said whether you own or rent a mill... Wonder why that is :)
Because it's nobodies business, and it has nothing to do with what the price "should" be?

Here's an absurd though: If SlikStik notices that they're not selling any of these cabinets, they might consider lowering the price.  If they manage to move a decent amount of cabinets at the current price, they'll probably keep it around the same.  SUPPLY AND DEMAND, WHAT A CONCEPT!

That said, I agree with Howard_Castro's earlier points.

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« Reply #132 on: July 24, 2003, 02:21:16 am »

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« Reply #133 on: July 24, 2003, 11:52:59 am »
Amra,

If you are still in college, do yourself a favor and enroll in a business course this coming semester.  Heck, even an econ course would do, or accounting.  Your "everything costs too much" stress would decrease enough to lower your blood pressure.  Profit is never equal to the difference between materials cost and selling price.  

Personally, I cannot afford the nearly $1300 this cabinet costs after delivery fees.  However, if I could afford it, I would likely buy it as it looks like a good product and would save me hours and hours and hours of work.  I could have had a fully functional MAME cabinet in weeks instead of the months it is taking me now...and I wouldn't have had to "mame" (heheheh) a classic Galaxian cabinet (yes I feel shame).

Christian, is there any chance of offering customized cabinets in the future?  My plans for my next MAME machine involve the EA Sports PGA Tour Golf cabinet design, which I think is a beautiful modern cabinet and would allow for some innovative modular control panel designs.

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #134 on: July 24, 2003, 12:16:45 pm »
Amra,

If you are still in college, do yourself a favor and enroll in a business course this coming semester.  Heck, even an econ course would do, or accounting.  Your "everything costs too much" stress would decrease enough to lower your blood pressure.  Profit is never equal to the difference between materials cost and selling price.  

Personally, I cannot afford the nearly $1300 this cabinet costs after delivery fees.  However, if I could afford it, I would likely buy it as it looks like a good product and would save me hours and hours and hours of work.  I could have had a fully functional MAME cabinet in weeks instead of the months it is taking me now...and I wouldn't have had to "mame" (heheheh) a classic Galaxian cabinet (yes I feel shame).

Christian, is there any chance of offering customized cabinets in the future?  My plans for my next MAME machine involve the EA Sports PGA Tour Golf cabinet design, which I think is a beautiful modern cabinet and would allow for some innovative modular control panel designs.


Anything is possible, contact us via info@slikstik.com for your requirements.
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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #135 on: July 24, 2003, 12:29:33 pm »
Well since this thread never drops, I'll chime in.

Great work Christian. I think that your cab looks very professional and it sure can save people a lot of hassle.  I, like many here, unfortunately can't afford to spend that kind of money on an empty cab, however, if I could, I would seriously consider your product. As much fun as planning my cab has been, when it finally gets off the ground, I know it will be a ton of work. You've taken all the guesswork out of it for people. Great job.

I may be new here, but I'm surprised at how many people just got so hostile about this.  This hobby is all of our "babies" and the elitist in all of us may want to come out every now and then, but don't blame a person for trying to make a buck.  It comes off as jealousy and arrogance. If you wanna go make a better cab for half the price, go for it. Let me know if you can pull it off, cuz I (and many others here) would like to see how it turns out.   ;D
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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #136 on: July 24, 2003, 12:48:52 pm »
You still havent said whether you own or rent a mill... Wonder why that is :)

He has said before that a mill costs 'more than a new car', which most people would assume means that they own one.

As for continuing belief that he has a $300 cost and a $600 profit, read back a few pages, he's already stated several times that his profit margin is well under half of the selling price.  Overhead costs something (usually a lot) and it factors into every product they sell.  If this doesn't finally sink in, then I'm done bashing my skull against a brick wall, it's useless...  ::)

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #137 on: July 24, 2003, 01:41:11 pm »

HEhe, you mean objective response :)  Hey, without feedback companies don't know if their product needs a change or not :)


I think SlikStik will find out when they don't sell any of those overpriced POS's..

 ;)j/k.... Or am I?  :P



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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #138 on: July 24, 2003, 04:03:50 pm »
He has said before that a mill costs 'more than a new car', which most people would assume means that they own one.

The proper piece of equipment to manufacture this CAN cost more than a new car, but doesn't NEED to.  I know, I own one, it was new and it didn't :).

BTW, I am not taking any sides here.  I know what it's like to have been on the receiving end of this a couple of times, once even for a similar product.  The interesting thing is that a good portion of those that make statements like "I would buy one if it was only $600" often don't even have $60 of excess income for such things, let alone 600.

If I could build my own car, I wouldn't call up Ferrari and tell them "I would buy one of their $200,000 vehicles if it only cost $160,000"  :P

If you really feel strongly that someone is making a mistake in their business practices and sincerely want to help them onto the "right track", try a heartfelt email. You also might want to include some justifications for your views if you expect to be taken seriously.

You might have a better effect that way and you might be doing them a real favor.  Then again, you might just get ignored.  If you are right, they will see that in time.  If not, then it's a good thing they didn't listen to you.  :D

But it's difficult to see some of the comments in this type of thread as anything other than "pack mentality product bashing".  Is it ok to say "I don't like it and I think it costs too much"?  I would think so, free speech and all :)  But when you start attempting to analyze a business model without even knowing what that model is, solely in an attempt to justify your statements (which you don't need to do if it's your opinion), I think certain lines are being crossed that probably shouldn't be.  

These items aren't shoes, food or toilet paper.  You don't need to buy these things.  State your opinion, move on and vote with your wallet.  It's the only real power you have as a consumer.

My seven cents :)

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #139 on: July 24, 2003, 05:00:29 pm »
These items aren't shoes, food or toilet paper.  You don't need to buy these things.  State your opinion, move on and vote with your wallet.  It's the only real power you have as a consumer.

My seven cents :)

RandyT

Good point, and well said.

But did it really cost you seven cents? By my estimates it should have only cost you 3 cents. I'd take your advice if it was 3 cents, maybe 4. But 7? Surely you could have found a lower-cost advice manufacturer...

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« Reply #140 on: July 24, 2003, 07:50:19 pm »
Send me a cab kit and a Slik Stick CO2 and I'll assemble it, review it, and keep it. ;)

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« Reply #141 on: July 24, 2003, 09:20:52 pm »
2500+ views!   :o

At least these cabs are getting a lot of publicity!


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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #142 on: July 24, 2003, 09:43:42 pm »
2500+ views!   :o

At least these cabs are getting a lot of publicity!



What's the old saying, "I don't care what you say about me, just as long as you spell the name right?"

Any publicity is good publicity...unless you're Oday or Qusay...  :P

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #143 on: September 09, 2003, 05:13:37 am »
Amra,

We did not post our news in this forum to get into a mudslinging fest with the hardcore do-it-yourselfers. We simply posted it because we have a good product at a fair price point and we know from our experience as the makers of THE Best commercial control panel available that there is a market for it. Many people have priced out panel parts and looked at the amount of time involved and have decided that it is easier and more feasible to buy our panels.


I wanted to add this one last comment to this discussion.  It has been a little while since i posted here, but for the record i have bought a slikstick joystick and have also built myself a 4 player panel.  
At first i started working on my own panel and after MANY MANY hours of fiddling and tweaking thoughts and ideas and trying to cut angles on various saws (i really had NO woodworking experience since my high school days so i might as well have known nothing hehe)   I then and there decided that for me, the AVERAGE joe user with limited time on my hands decided to take the plunge and order a professional made joystick!!    Let me tell you, i don't regret it one single bit!    I spent over $500 on  a joystick panel......JUST FOR THE FRICKEN JOYSTICK!!!! And in the end i still am glad i did!!!!  :D
Now i hear people making comments about the price of the cabinets and yes, i will  concede that a $1000 is alot, but if your like me and don't have  much experience nor the endless hours of time it takes to make this stuff, $1000 isn't looking to shabby, especially for something that you will have and enjoy for a LONG time to come.
Bottom line for me is this:  
 SLIKSTICK has a great product line and i will always keep them in mind if i need something for the future!  
Thanks TEAM SLICKSTICK, you guys are great!! Keep up the great work and i look forward to seeing what all kinds of new kewl ideas you can come up with.

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #144 on: September 09, 2003, 10:49:53 am »
LOL!  

These items aren't shoes, food or toilet paper.  You don't need to buy these things.  State your opinion, move on and vote with your wallet.  It's the only real power you have as a consumer.

My seven cents :)

RandyT

Good point, and well said.

But did it really cost you seven cents? By my estimates it should have only cost you 3 cents. I'd take your advice if it was 3 cents, maybe 4. But 7? Surely you could have found a lower-cost advice manufacturer...

 ;)

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #145 on: September 10, 2003, 02:19:35 am »
Just finished reading all the posts, I wish I could have added to this great topic when it was fresh.
Slikstik has a quality product here....but for the $ I'd like to see a customizable blank CP and encoder.

However, why does everyone get so worked up over something that in the end has little to do with the enjoyment of your games?
A cabinet?
What was the original intent of a cabinet? Probably something that needed to be flashy to attract arcade-goers to it? Actually I know there was a little more to it than that but unless one is building their own arcade for the public why would one want to spend the $ and/or deal with the hassle of building one?
Before anyone starts bashing me assuming I'm a young buck who has no recollection of the arcade's golden years, I'm 33.
I had been considering building my own cab for quite some time until I really thought about the reasons I wanted to.
Nostalgia seemed to be the biggest motivation.
I want to relive those days long since past and bring my friends and I back together on weekends.
But when I think back my friends and I had more fun on the home consoles which at the time tried to give one the impression one WAS at the arcade.
I've decided to go with my own CP connected to my PC output to a T.V. instead. It just seems more practical for me plus a couch and a good sized T.V. will be more accomodating for 3 or more friends than everyone crowded around a cabinet.
Anyone who has already built their own cab(s), feel free to try and sway me.  :)
 
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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #146 on: September 11, 2003, 01:53:24 am »
I read completely through this monster thread also.  I couldn't have more respect for the craftsmen on here, but it is not for me just yet.  

So I wanted to look into getting something that looked great and was well built.

www.custom-arcade.com seemed to have a mindblowing product but the price was obscene.  $9000 for their top model with all the extras!  That arcade better be able to put its arms around me, carry me to bed and ride me!  If my fiance ever found out I dropped that on a cabinet and PC it would be just me and my custom arcade in that waterbed.

Why was there only build your own or $5000+ turnkey options.  A Harvard MBA wasn't necessary to figure the $6000 versions were marked up at least 100%!  I figured somebody would eventually step forward and prefer to sell more machines with a little less markup.  At least not an insulting markup.

My other thread "BIG QUESTION FOR THE BYOAC MASTERS," has links to the three finalists for my cab project.

I emailed slik stick asking about a package deal with a stick and received an immediate call back.  They were very helpful and were supposed to email me a package deal and never did?  It has been 10 days at least.   :'(

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Re:SlikStik Arcade Machines Released!
« Reply #147 on: September 12, 2003, 05:05:02 am »
Regardless of how wonderful or junky slikstik's product, there were a couple of problems that doomed this thread from the beginning, imo:

1) No matter how you slice it, you're advertising your product in a discussion forum(targeted spam, imo). Yes, you are providing a product pertinent to the folks here, but a better place to put it would be the for sale forum, or something like that.

2)  Semi-prebuilt products (i.e. it's a cabinet all nice and ready, but you still have to do the rest of the work) like this appeal to a very specific end-user: somebody who either makes a lot of money(where saving hours of work is more worthwhile than saving $1000), or somebody that just doesn't want to  spend a lot of time/effort on this sort of thing. For both of these parties, this arcade cabinet is likely not a good solution, simply because there's soooo much more work to be done anyway. The better solution for the rich feller would be to buy a turn-key product ($1500-$4000). Regardless, I'd wager that the majority of people here (build your own arcade controls) don't fall into either of these two categories. Sure, if the price was right many of us would snap one up, but for me, at least, the cost of that cabinet is a whole lot more than I'll be spending on the entire project.