Perfect 360s

[Unkis17]

Don't know if this is specifically software related but...

I am building a new CP and i decided to put in the P360's from the original cabinet I bought.  When i hooked them up to the I-PAC I had been getting really weird results, as if the 360's were too sensitive or something or i had something shorted.  I checked the inputs at the I-PAC and all the inputs where saying 0 V (except for GRD + 5V).  So I wrote into Andy and described my situation.  He said try switching GRD & 5V.  So I did and everything went perfectly.  I continuted with some more wiring.  Two days later the 360s do nothing!  Checked all the inputs and they are all getting proper voltage, just nothing happens when you move them?  Andy says I would have fried them.  Checked with a few Electrical Engineers i know and they said if the 360s were to pop on the switch it would have happened right then, not two days later.  So i switch the GRD & 5 back to their marked inputs (the way they were not working) and then i started getting the same results as before i flipped them!  So this means to me the optics are still working?  Flip them back and still nothing?  
Does anyone have any ideas what could be wrong?
BTW, when you have the 360s hooked up the way they are supposed to be, the test mode in the I-PAC shows them up as shorted?  And i have tried isolating the 360 by disconnecting all the GRDs (which disables all the other keys hooked up.  Ran a seperate power line (5 & Grd ) to only one 360 (disabled the other)and still nothing?

[OSCAR]

Do these happen to be the old style P360's like these?



Birdtales sent me one to test out, but I still haven't gotten it work just right because it was missing the actuator.  I have tried mocking up an actuator based on dimensions of an original, but it still gives very funky results.  In talking with some old-timers, I've heard that these old style ones were pretty flakey and prone to strange problems like this.


If it is a new Happ style one like this:



then I guess I don't have an answer for you.  I have mine plugged right into the I-PAC's LED header and they work perfectly.  If they seem overly sensitive, then my guess would be that the actuator that's installed on them is not the correct size.  There is a bit of info on how the P360's work here:  http://www.oscarcontrols.com/joycompare/joyreview2.shtml

[AlanS17]

I've got one of those older ones coming to me in the mail. I'll tell you how it works and if I can find any problems with it.

Oscar, if that thing is causing you problems you can always send it my way.  

[Unkis17]

It kind of looks like that in the fact that everything looks the same, but their is no additional acuators coming out like on yours.  The base and everything are the same, their is just an empty spot where your actuators are.  But that is how it came and they worked perfectly in the Cab when it was still running Final Fight.

[AlanS17]

What's with the leads coming out the sides? Aren't you only supposed to need the ones on the bottom? Is that a converted joystick or what?

[OSCAR]

What's with the leads coming out the sides? Aren't you only supposed to need the ones on the bottom? Is that a converted joystick or what?

Heh, sorry about that...  That pic shows the P360 module sitting on top of the leaf switches to show how the module lines up with the switches on the old Wico sticks.  Here's a pic of the leaf switches removed and the P360 module in their place:

[Unkis17]

Kesley,

  That is exactly what mine looks like without the leafswitches...  (It never had any) does it need them?  It didn't have any when it was working in the Final Fight box.  I also have another 360 that has a different design.  It is all black (no red sticker) and bar going across the bottom (I don't know what purpose that serves beisdes getting in the way when trying to get at the E-ring), and it doesn't have the quick disconnect inputs, you just have screws like on the terminal blocks.  That one is also behaving the same way.
  So does anyone know what i should be trying?

[AlanS17]

It doesn't need the leaf switches. It uses optics so your only connections should be through the bottom. Have you taken them apart at any time? Perhaps light is getting in from somewhere and interfering with the optics???

[Unkis17]

No i have not taken them apart.  But even so, why would both be acting the same way?

[Thenasty]

I was just looking at the old P360 w/Leaf switches and got to thinking about Q-Bert.
Is it possible to use this and use the P360 for 8-way and have the Leaf for Q-bert ? I mean can you install the p360 optics so the leaf will be diagonal when mounted and the 360 is in a normal position ?
maybe you can also do this with 4-way games.

[AlanS17]

No i have not taken them apart.  But even so, why would both be acting the same way?

I don't know. Maybe you should just give up and send them to me. I'll tell you if I get the same problem.   (honestly, I don't know...)

[Edgedamage]

Hi I have used p360's for a while now and had no problems if fact with them I finally was able to play a good game of robotron. Sounds like the one you have might be broken. You said they came from a old cabinet
was the power supply in the cabinet working ok? Maybe the old power supply might have damaged them.