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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #800 on: July 28, 2008, 04:00:55 pm »
I do, i unstiall it via the program, but when i install it agian, i cannot get a display, i just figured it was because the program remember what the resoultion was set to last time it was installed

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #801 on: July 28, 2008, 04:05:19 pm »
I mean you should uninstall the whole forceware.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #802 on: July 28, 2008, 04:06:23 pm »
ah ok

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #803 on: July 28, 2008, 05:13:46 pm »
for a prior question use the quikres  tool to set the res of choice and shut down the pc and it will remember what you last set it at manually prior to shutting it down.

set your quik res for 640X480 for desktop

if you start a 800X600 game or whatever res it will display whatever the game runs at if you shut it down or go out of the game it will bring you back to the 640X480 desktop you have it set at on the quik res tool.

are you trying to manually run a specific game at a specific res off the quik res tool or are you letting soft15K do it's thing on it's own without manually setting anything yourself?

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #804 on: July 29, 2008, 02:18:39 am »
SS, I have a couple questions for you:

1. I'm using an ATI X800XL and have been adding several custom resolutions. I'm pretty sure 321x200/240/256 and 401were there in the initial soft15 install, bafter loading the custom resolutions, the 321 and 401 are missing both from Mame and the QR list. Even if I uninstall the custom modes and do a stock soft15 install, they still don't show. There is 320x240, but of coure it doesn't function.

So then I added them to the custom15khz.txt. 321x200 is missing still. The others show up as 300 and 400, respectively. Maybe it's my card? I don't get it.


2. how are you getting those high refresh modes to work when they don't say '1**hz'?

2b. Also, I'm curious becaue if the monitor can do up to 120hz, why have the 352x288 set at 51hz (essentially 106hz on my monitor) ?
« Last Edit: July 29, 2008, 04:42:41 am by Ummon »
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #805 on: July 29, 2008, 04:48:37 am »
Still curious on questions 2 and 2b, but I found the answer to 1. I had driver conflicts between two different versions: ATI and Omega (ATI). Everything works now. If anyone's curious about some of my custom modes, here they are:

- this one helps with Golden Tee games: modeline '384x240@60' 7,22 384 416 440 472 240 245 248 253 -hsync -vsync .  Although the indigenous 360x480 works, this one is better, at least on my monitor.


- this one is a real 60hz version: modeline '384x288@60' 8,75 384 416 448 480 288 294 297 303 -hsync -vsync


- this is a special mode for Macross Plus displayed horizontally. (Displayed vertically, 384x240 works awesome; I'm thinking of doing a vert cab...) It's kind of a toss-up between the indigenous 448x384, but on my monitor the scanlines with this one seem a little more pronounced: modeline "496x384@59" 14,68 496 528 576 608 384 392 396 404 -hsync -vsync
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #806 on: July 29, 2008, 11:27:29 am »
@Ummon: What resolutions are you refering to? (Question 2)

Basically you could double the kHz bei either doubling the vertical refresh, ie. output each frame twice (120hz).
Or you could double it by using "doublescan" which outputs each line twice, i.e. 320x240 doublescanned actually output 320x480.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #807 on: July 29, 2008, 12:20:06 pm »
2b. Also, I'm curious becaue if the monitor can do up to 120hz, why have the 352x288 set at 51hz (essentially 106hz on my monitor) ?

Wouldnt setting a 352x288 resolution to 120hz make any mame game you run in that resolution run waaaay too fast?, also fry 99% of users who are using an Arcade monitor! I accidentally put a 800x600 resolution @ 75hz though my Tri-Sync Pentranic (this was before i installed soft15khz) and it fried the horizontal output transistor on it  :o :banghead:
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #808 on: July 29, 2008, 12:44:53 pm »
You fried your monitor? O_O

As for the 120Hz refresh... Well cabmame has a "redraw" feature to output every frame twice. For the rest, automatic frameskip would do just fine.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #809 on: July 29, 2008, 01:17:33 pm »
Just a transistor, all because the hz was above 60!! Thats why i wanted to make sure that no modes Soft15khz uses use above 60hz!??
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #810 on: July 29, 2008, 04:09:49 pm »
lettuce: there are multisyncs that can handle up to 130hz. I have a presentation monitor that has the following range: 31-52khz, 40-120hz. If you look back in the thread, this has been discussed, and SS even posted some soft15 modes to get native resolutions at high refresh.

SS: I'll try again - those high refresh modes obviously have higher modeline values in them, yet say @59 or @60hz, or in the case of 352x288 still says @51hz - which in practice is really 106hz. However, just as the 15khz version runs at 51hz and is choppy, wouldn't it be better for the high refresh version to run at or around 120hz? (You know, similar to making a 60hz version whose scanrate is 18khz.)

This brings up a couple other related things:

a. I created and put in my own high refresh modeline, but it said '@120hz' and it was superceded by the original, stock modeline. Is that why?...that it has to say something close to 60hz for soft15 to install it?

b. I've notice there is some looseness in the txt file syntax allowed. What exactly are the limits, character-wise?
« Last Edit: July 29, 2008, 04:19:49 pm by Ummon »
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #811 on: July 29, 2008, 07:32:56 pm »
So what you are saying it that some of the standard/preset soft15khz modes use more than 60hz then???

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #812 on: July 30, 2008, 12:27:32 am »
So what you are saying it that some of the standard/preset soft15khz modes use more than 60hz then???

He was talking about the high refresh modelines.



SS: I'll try again - those high refresh modes obviously have higher modeline values in them, yet say @59 or @60hz, or in the case of 352x288 still says @51hz - which in practice is really 106hz. However, just as the 15khz version runs at 51hz and is choppy, wouldn't it be better for the high refresh version to run at or around 120hz? (You know, similar to making a 60hz version whose scanrate is 18khz.)

Yeah, I just doubled the pixel clock on those modes, not the "mode name" field (which isn't used for anything at all).
All of these modes should have 31kHz. So most likely they don't use the full spectrum of your monitor.



This brings up a couple other related things:

a. I created and put in my own high refresh modeline, but it said '@120hz' and it was superceded by the original, stock modeline. Is that why?...that it has to say something close to 60hz for soft15 to install it?
Hm... If you add it in "custom15khz" it will overwrite the stock resolution, if theres any, and will add it as "60hz" to windows (though it is still output as 120).
If you add it in "usermodes" then it will be added with the real refresh rate to windows, and also will not overwrite any stock modeline.



b. I've notice there is some looseness in the txt file syntax allowed. What exactly are the limits, character-wise?
Hm... in the most simple case, just use basic chars and numbers.


modeline "name" pixelclock h_active h_syncstart h_syncend h_total v_active v_syncstart v_syncend v_total options

The name field is ignored, but should not contain any spaces or stuff (could fry my parser).
the resolution added to windows is h_active * v_active.
The vertical refresh rate is calculated by h_total * v_total / pixelclock (doublescan halves the output refresh, interlaced doubles it!)
The options field can contain pretty much everything but soft-15kHz only parses "-hsync", "+hsync", "-vsync", "+vsync", "interlace" und "doublescan" atm.

All values except the pixelclock should be integer values (means no dot/komma whatever).
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #813 on: July 30, 2008, 01:52:54 pm »
SS, is this how the standard soft-15KHz resolutions are set out...

H   V       Refresh Special
240 240 60Hz
256 240 60Hz
256 256 60Hz
256 264 58Hz
288 240 60Hz
296 240 60Hz
304 240 60Hz
321 240 60Hz
321 256 60Hz
336 240 60Hz
352 256 60Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
352 264 58Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
352 288 51Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
368 240 60Hz
384 288 51Hz
392 240 60Hz
401 256 53Hz (Mortal Kombat etc)
448 240 60Hz
512 240 60Hz
512 288 51Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
512 448       
512 512 58Hz
632 264 57Hz
640 240 60Hz
640 288
640 480 60Hz
648 288
720 480 60Hz Artwork
800 600 50Hz

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #814 on: July 30, 2008, 02:18:08 pm »
Yep, something like that.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #815 on: July 31, 2008, 03:08:14 am »
Quote from: SailorSat link=topic=66402.msg864308#msg864308
Hm... If you add it in "custom15khz" it will overwrite the stock resolution, if theres any, and will add it as "60hz" to windows (though it is still output as 120).
If you add it in "usermodes" then it will be added with the real refresh rate to windows, and also will not overwrite any stock modeline.

There seems to be a caveat, though. You cannot add another of the same resolution as that in the stock set - you can only over-write it. I tried to add two 'alternate' 256x240 resolutions via 'usermodes' but they aren't available.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #816 on: July 31, 2008, 11:51:30 am »
Hm... Just stay sure it's not something like "59,67"Hz, that would get rounded to 60Hz.

Whatever, just post me the two modelines and I'll check.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #817 on: July 31, 2008, 12:31:16 pm »
I have had same issue. I had to remove orginal resolution. I would love the ability to have multiple refreshrate on same resolution co-exsist

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #818 on: July 31, 2008, 09:43:24 pm »
remove 352x288
modeline '352x288 60,61Hz' 8,77 352 368 408 464 288 289 292 312 -hsync -vsync

Only way i ould get this resolution to take is to add this into my custom15khz.txt

If I tried to add modeline '352x288 60,61Hz' 8,77 352 368 408 464 288 289 292 312 -hsync -vsync to usermodes.txt the standard 352x288@60 over rides it.

So I have to remove default and add that new modeline to the custom. If you can fix this then we can add 100's of modelines for every refreshrate.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #819 on: August 01, 2008, 12:08:49 am »
Hm... I think I just spotted the problem. I'll look into it.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #820 on: August 01, 2008, 02:16:33 am »
Hm... Just stay sure it's not something like "59,67"Hz, that would get rounded to 60Hz.

Whatever, just post me the two modelines and I'll check.

Sorry, didn't think to.

Modeline "256x240@60" 5.15 256 288 304 336 240 245 248 253 -hsync -vsync

Modeline "256x240@66" 5.61 256 288 304 336 240 245 248 253 -hsync -vsync


Also, I'm curious what happened to that auto utility you talked of a while back?  Although, it wouldn't take into account the monitor would it? (I'm suggesting developing a feature like Advancemame has and incorporating it into Cabmame.)


I have had same issue. I had to remove orginal resolution. I would love the ability to have multiple refreshrate on same resolution co-exsist

 Essentially, I thought as long as the refresh is close 60, it should be stable. Then it's just a matter of finding the right resolution that will most fill the screen. I miss Advancemame in this regard because it by default looks for a mode that is closest to 60hz, though within the constraints of your device_video_format. I haven't been able similarly get the modeline generator online to find a resolution from scanrate and refresh, though.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #821 on: August 01, 2008, 07:04:43 am »
Salior

I know in build 39 you added the ability to add several modlines to the usermodes.txt.  with out a buffer overflow error do the newer builds have this ability? I noticed on the soft15 revsions page build 39 was skipped over.

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« Reply #822 on: August 01, 2008, 09:28:48 am »
all after build 39 have this feature, though I'm not at home right now and can't test in a real life enviroment.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #823 on: August 01, 2008, 10:57:48 am »
SS, is this how the standard soft-15KHz resolutions are set out...

H   V       Refresh Special
240 240 60Hz
256 240 60Hz
256 256 60Hz
256 264 58Hz
288 240 60Hz
296 240 60Hz
304 240 60Hz
321 240 60Hz
321 256 60Hz
336 240 60Hz
352 256 60Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
352 264 58Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
352 288 51Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
368 240 60Hz
384 288 51Hz
392 240 60Hz
401 256 53Hz (Mortal Kombat etc)
448 240 60Hz
512 240 60Hz
512 288 51Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
512 448       
512 512 58Hz
632 264 57Hz
640 240 60Hz
640 288
640 480 60Hz
648 288
720 480 60Hz Artwork
800 600 50Hz

Is it possible to run the above resolutions in 31khz mode?

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #824 on: August 01, 2008, 01:42:26 pm »
Hm... I think I just spotted the problem. I'll look into it.

Great news.

Any ETA on when a new version will be out?

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« Reply #825 on: August 01, 2008, 11:07:04 pm »
I may pick up this old card on a used system.  Does this work with soft15khz?  Is there a list/url where I can checkout other card's compat w/ soft15khz?  thanks!

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« Reply #826 on: August 01, 2008, 11:31:12 pm »
should work as they all run the same drivers I am using the most current wich can also be used on the X700 or any other X-series.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #827 on: August 02, 2008, 03:25:42 pm »
my 8800gt arrived last weeks all is working perfectly crysis on a cab is awsome!

isit ok to update my graphics card drivers whislt soft15hz is installed or should i uninstall it 1st?

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #828 on: August 02, 2008, 04:39:54 pm »
SS, is this how the standard soft-15KHz resolutions are set out...

H   V       Refresh Special
240 240 60Hz
256 240 60Hz
256 256 60Hz
256 264 58Hz
288 240 60Hz
296 240 60Hz
304 240 60Hz
321 240 60Hz
321 256 60Hz
336 240 60Hz
352 256 60Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
352 264 58Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
352 288 51Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
368 240 60Hz
384 288 51Hz
392 240 60Hz
401 256 53Hz (Mortal Kombat etc)
448 240 60Hz
512 240 60Hz
512 288 51Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
512 448       
512 512 58Hz
632 264 57Hz
640 240 60Hz
640 288
640 480 60Hz
648 288
720 480 60Hz Artwork
800 600 50Hz

Is it possible to run the above resolutions in 31khz mode?

It depends what you mean. If you mean at around 31khz and 60hz, yes. The DVI out of the arcade vga actually does this. I can't see any reason to want it to, cos you can get the same display by using D3D with bilinear filtering off. If, however, you mean your monitor will run up to 120hz or so, and you want to use the high refresh modes, look through the thread for them.


my 8800gt arrived last weeks all is working perfectly crysis on a cab is awsome!

isit ok to update my graphics card drivers whislt soft15hz is installed or should i uninstall it 1st?

You can change drivers as you wish - however, for each time you uninstall/install drivers, regardless if it's the same card being used, you'll need to reload soft15, as when drivers are uninstalled the video registry key values are set back to default. (Make sure, if trying the same brand of drivers, to uninstall what's in before installing something else.)
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #829 on: August 02, 2008, 07:33:40 pm »
It depends what you mean. If you mean at around 31khz and 60hz, yes. The DVI out of the arcade vga actually does this. I can't see any reason to want it to, cos you can get the same display by using D3D with bilinear filtering off. If, however, you mean your monitor will run up to 120hz or so, and you want to use the high refresh modes, look through the thread for them.

Yeah keeping the same refresh rates as ithe standard 15khz in soft-15khz, but in 31khz instead. Im not using an ArcadeVGA card, just a 7600GT card, i just wanted to test what the display would be like using screen resolutions at 240x240 up to 640x480 at 31khz instead of 15khz!?. As like most tri-sync monitors in the 15khz display mode i get a horizontal linearity issue on the far right side of the screen, but it is not there when diplaying the 31khz mode
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #830 on: August 03, 2008, 06:11:37 am »
Just found this spreadsheet that calculates screen resolutions for you over at JVS-PAC development site, http://jvspac.kirurg.org/?page=downloads, basically this spreadshhet calculates 31khz screens resolutions at x2. Using these ini settings for mame,

# CORE PERFORMANCE OPTIONS
autoframeskip                1
refreshspeed                 1
# WINDOWS PERFORMANCE              OPTIONS
multithreading                1
# WINDOWS VIDEO OPTIONS
video                    ddraw
prescale                                 2
effect                    scanlines.png
# DIRECTDRAW-SPECIFIC OPTIONS
hwstretch                 0
# FULL SCREEN OPTIONS
triplebuffer                 1
switchres                 1

"With this setup, MAME will prefer a mode that is a 2 times the games resolution. If you have a game that is 320x240, MAME will pick 640x480, and render pixels at exactly two times their original size.  This is a good-thing(tm), as there will be no jagged/blurry scaling artifacts"

Am just woundering is there any spreadsheets that calculates screen resolution formular for just standard resolutions and not double them like this spreadsheet does

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #831 on: August 03, 2008, 06:14:58 am »
Using the spreadsheet calculator i mentioned above i have taken these 15khz resolutions:

H   V       Refresh Special
240 240 60Hz
256 240 60Hz
256 256 60Hz
256 264 58Hz
288 240 60Hz
296 240 60Hz
304 240 60Hz
321 240 60Hz
321 256 60Hz
336 240 60Hz
352 256 60Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
352 264 58Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
352 288 51Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
368 240 60Hz
384 288 51Hz
392 240 60Hz
401 256 53Hz (Mortal Kombat etc)
448 240 60Hz
512 240 60Hz
512 288 51Hz Vert on Horiz Mon
512 448       
512 512 58Hz

and gotten these using the spreadsheet, remember these are all x2 resolutions of the above for 31khz arcade monitors:

modeline "480x480-60" 19.152 480 496 568 608 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
modeline "512x480-60" 20.412 512 528 608 648 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
modeline "512x512-60" 20.412 512 528 608 648 512 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
modeline "512x528-58" 20.412 512 528 608 648 528 508 510 543 -hsync -vsync
modeline "576x480-60" 22.68 576 592 680 720 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
modeline "592x480-60" 23.436 592 608 696 744 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
modeline "608x480-60" 23.94 608 624 712 760 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
modeline "640x480-60" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
modeline "640x512-60" 25.2 640 656 752 800 512 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
modeline "672x480-60" 26.46 672 688 792 840 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
modeline "704x512-60" 27.72 704 720 824 880 512 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
modeline "704x528-58" 27.72 704 720 824 880 528 508 510 543 -hsync -vsync
modeline "704x576-51" 27.72 704 720 824 880 576 583 585 618 -hsync -vsync
modeline "736x480-60" 28.98 736 752 864 920 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
modeline "768x576-51" 29.988 768 784 896 952 576 583 585 618 -hsync -vsync
modeline "784x480-60" 30.744 784 800 920 976 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
modeline "800x512-53" 31.752 800 824 944 1008 512 559 561 594 -hsync -vsync
modeline "896x480-60" 35.28 896 920 1056 1120 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
modeline "1024x480-60" 40.32 1024 1048 1200 1280 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync            
modeline "1024x480-51" 40.32 1024 1048 1200 1280 480 583 585 618 -hsync -vsync
modeline "1024x512-58" 40.32 1024 1048 1200 1280 512 508 510 543 -hsync -vsync
modeline "1024x576-51" 40.32 1024 1048 1200 1280 576 583 585 618 -hsync -vsync

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #832 on: August 04, 2008, 12:20:06 am »

Does soft15khz work in 64bit Vista?  Does it depend on using proper ATI/Nvidia drivers or can it work with the drivers vista x64 picked for my ATI x700?  thanks!


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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #833 on: August 04, 2008, 01:24:00 am »
The first post says
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As on post, I support ATI Catalyst, NVidia ForceWare, Matrox PowerDesk and various 3Dfx Voodoo3/4/5 drivers"

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #834 on: August 04, 2008, 08:29:41 am »
The first post says
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As on post, I support ATI Catalyst, NVidia ForceWare, Matrox PowerDesk and various 3Dfx Voodoo3/4/5 drivers"

Thanks.  That's why I specified "proper" ati/nvidia drivers.  Also Vista x64.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #835 on: August 04, 2008, 11:13:17 am »
ATI Catalyst and NVidia ForceWare are 'proper' ati/nvidia drivers.  ;)

I'm not sure about x64 though, sorry, have not tried it myself.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #836 on: August 04, 2008, 03:57:13 pm »
Okay... Back from a quite flipped out weekend...
Well on my ATI Radeon 7000 multi refresh rates work just fine.

*EDIT* Please note that QuickRes only shows each resolution ONCE and defaults to 60Hz mode (if available).

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   224x 224@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   224x 232@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   232x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   240x 192@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   240x 192@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   240x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   240x 248@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 184@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 192@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 208@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 208@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   256x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 224@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   256x 230@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 240@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 240@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   256x 256@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 256@ 76Hz -> 60.998153
   260x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   272x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   272x 224@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   272x 236@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   288x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   288x 224@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   304x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   320x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504


As for Vista 64... Well XP64 works, but I don't know if it will work with (any) Vista at all.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #837 on: August 04, 2008, 04:15:27 pm »
Okay... Back from a quite flipped out weekend...

Oh, please, do tell.


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Well on my ATI Radeon 7000 multi refresh rates work just fine.

*EDIT* Please note that QuickRes only shows each resolution ONCE and defaults to 60Hz mode (if available).

Quote
   224x 224@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   224x 232@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   232x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   240x 192@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   240x 192@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   240x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   240x 248@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 184@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 192@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 208@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 208@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   256x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 224@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   256x 230@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 240@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 240@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   256x 256@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 256@ 76Hz -> 60.998153
   260x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   272x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   272x 224@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   272x 236@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   288x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   288x 224@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   304x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   320x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504



Hmm. I'm assuming that's verbose or whatever from the command line?  I tend to use mame32/UI to set up/test/etc and when I look in the list of resolutions available per game, there are no redundancies. Perhaps this is the same as with QuickRes?
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #838 on: August 04, 2008, 09:42:51 pm »
Hm... I think I just spotted the problem. I'll look into it.

Did you ever find anything?



I tried Mame UI and also regular mame with cfg files, is there anything special needed to be enetered in the game cfg in mame? I was never successful in getting multiple refresh share same resolution to work.


Okay... Back from a quite flipped out weekend...
Well on my ATI Radeon 7000 multi refresh rates work just fine.

*EDIT* Please note that QuickRes only shows each resolution ONCE and defaults to 60Hz mode (if available).



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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #839 on: August 05, 2008, 12:05:53 am »
I only tested with my Radeon yet, tests with others today after work.
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