jakobud nintendo widebody plans completely wrong?

[rockin_rick]

Well, I was considering making a widebody nintendo cab for mario bros using the plans from jakobud.  BUT, it seems that those plans are wrong.   They seem to be simply "narrowbody" plans with the width widened.  I then ran across some pics of a widebody right next to a narrowbody and the differences are obvious.  (I believe that each is an original cab).  Did jakobud simply ASSUME that the only difference was the width and not bother to measure (or use someone elses measurements)?   I've attached the pic showing this. 

I'm not intending this to be a jakobud bashing, I do appreciate him for taking the time to draw these up and host them.  I just wish he'd fix them if found wrong, or at least add an asterisk that those plans might not be right, or that he guestimated.  It would really suck to build a cab to those dimensions only to find out when done that they were wrong....

Thanks,
Rick

[CheffoJeffo]

You could always e-mail or PM him and ask ...

[rockin_rick]

I PM'ed him with a request to reply to this thread.

Rick

[CheffoJeffo]

I was actually thinking that you could have a PRIVATE conversation before calling him out ... ain't like folks (e.g. YOU) are paying for his time and bandwidth, so he deserves the courtesy.

You should also know that he isn't doing all of those plans from his own collection, so he relies on others for measurements. *That* person may have been wrong (there are folks who have changed ther DK cabs to 'widebodies' and lots of people, including subsequent owners, would never know) and Jake never knew.

You should have used the Contact Me link on his page first ... it would have been polite.

Cheers.

[patrickl]

I don't think this is Jakobud bashing. Jakobud probably can't test any of the drawings himself.

I know that the Galaga/Ms Pacman drawings are wrong too. So who knows how many others are off. Maybe it would be a good thing to have some (or all) of the drawings checked by people who own an original.

If people who own one of the cabs listed there would check the measurements? Maybe just a rough measurement so we know which ones are correct and which not.

[Wade]

Not a bashing of Jakobud, but I know for a fact that some of the designs on his pages are wrong.  It would be nice if he mentioned they were only approximations, but on the other hand, people shouldn't assume his plans are good.  I provided the T&F cocktail plans, and parts of his drawings are incorrect from what I provided.

My guess is he took a nintendo plan and just widened it on the assumption they are the same cabinet.

Wade

[Fozzy The Bear]

Geeezzz!!! 

               What Jake does, he does for free!!!! For the benefit of this community. If some of the plans are a little out from where they should be then tough! Nobody forces you to use them.

If you have an issue with the plans Jake provides you FREE OF CHARGE!! and you have correct dimensions that you can prove are valid, then I've no doubt he'd be happy to hear from you PRIVATELY!!

To do this on a public forum is just plain rude and ignorant, and IS therefore insulting to Jake, wheather you intended it to be or not.  That's what CheffoJeffo was trying politely to point out to you.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

P.S. His Defender Plans are absolutely bang on the nail.

[notaburger]

I used Jakobud's drawings for reference when I was designing my own cabinet so I could compare heights of control panels and angles on monitors
that being said, I think that it's perfectly fine for rick to be making this post
it's good to know that they aren't EXACTLY correct
what jake does is great and I hope that he keeps it up, but it's also good for people to contribute corrections so that they can be as accurrate as possible
it's up to us to preserve this stuff

[Tailgunner]

Straight from the plan page at Jakobud's site:

"Email me if you have plans you want me to draft/host or if you find errors in my plans."

If the Nintendo wide body plans are wrong, fine. Correct them and re-submit them or give Jake a shout to let him know they're not right.
 

[leapinlew]

I think Rockin_rick can get a pass for this post. I don't think he intended any harmful things to be said towards Jackobuds site. It may read like it was being harsh, but in fact, my guess is he was trying to send out a warning to others and try to get jako to update his site.

The intentions were good. I could see how it might be perceived as rude, but I'm sure he didn't mean it that way. Looking at his previous posts - he seems like a nice enough guy.

[rockin_rick]

I should have not bitched about him fixing them or how he handles them.  Nor did I intend to drag him through the mud here.  I apologize.  OF COURSE, I appreciate all he's already done.  I realize that they are free and I don't expect anything from him.

But am I not allowed to ask to verify that they are correct simply because they are free?  I'll admit that I worded my initial post poorly.  I don't know if Jakobud's are wrong or not - determining that was the point of my thread.  The pic I posted are not my machines, nor do I have access to them.  I found that pic online and do not know if the cabs are original or not.  It seems to be relatively credible.  However, I find Jakobud's plans credible.  So I don't know.  My post was intended to figure this out from the knowledge folks here.  If I had accurate dimensions, I would let him know, but I don't.

Is it common knowledge that some of those plans may be slightly off?  If so, then I missed that - I've been under the impression that they are dead on.  I don't have a problem if they are off, I just would like to know.  I think that it is wonderful that he took the time to draw these up, and hosts them for us for free.  Even if they are not perfect then I know to account for that.   I DO believe that he wants to provide accurate plans for the community, and if his are wrong, then I believe it is an honest mistake.

Rick

[patrickl]

If you have an issue with the plans Jake provides you FREE OF CHARGE!! and you have correct dimensions that you can prove are valid, then I've no doubt he'd be happy to hear from you PRIVATELY!!

The point just is that we (the people who want to use the plans) don't have these measurements and I'm pretty sure Jakobud doesn't have them either. So how could we correct them other then publicly asking people to check them?

Maybe someone could measure up a Galaga/Ms Pac cab? Especially the CP area seems wrong when I compare the plans to a side on picture.

[Tailgunner]

I think Rockin_rick can get a pass for this post. I don't think he intended any harmful things to be said towards Jackobuds site. It may read like it was being harsh, but in fact, my guess is he was trying to send out a warning to others and try to get jako to update his site.

The intentions were good. I could see how it might be perceived as rude, but I'm sure he didn't mean it that way. Looking at his previous posts - he seems like a nice enough guy.

I agree 100%. Rick's certainly got the right to ask, and I don't think Jake would have any problem with anyone doing so.

[CheffoJeffo]

Interesting ... I was thinking that perhaps I was a little overprotective of Jake in my second response, but then, I reread the original and figured naw. I've found that sometimes a sense of entitlement comes across that is occasonally unintended, but may also be a product of the world we live in (where we have so much access to information, that we take it for granted).

I just think it was rude not to ask Jake privately first. After that, then a public discussion would be reasonable.

Cheers

[missioncontrol]

it did come of rude to me.. especially this:

I PM'ed him with a request to reply to this thread.

Rick

it sounds like your calling him out to defend the information that he got from other members when he drew up the plans...

I can appreciate wanting to get your cabinet completely right, but jakobud did not go personally measure every cabinet... he just used the information that was passed to him to draft them up....

I'm sure rockin_rick had the best intentions when he originally posted this, but it all came out wrong...


prehaps posting and asking if anyone had a Nintendo wide body they would be willing to measure to ensure the accuracy of the plans on Jakobud's site and one the discrepancies are noted then e-mailing Jakobud with the revisions....

let us not forget just a few months ago his site was offline and we all though thses plans were not available anymore....


all it takes is a misinterpretation and a little confusion and we could lose these plans again.....

[CheffoJeffo]

all it takes is a misinterpretation and a little confusion and we could lose these plans again.....

* CheffoJeffo runs to update his mirror of Jake's site

Cheers.

[FrizzleFried]

Is it necessary to have to walk on eggshells when asking questions such as this?  Silly.

 

[mccoy178]

Agreed.  I wouldn't take it as a personal attack or anything.  Seems like he was asking an okay question.

[CheffoJeffo]

Is it necessary to have to walk on eggshells when asking questions such as this?  Silly.

Rant removed.

You think one way, I think another.

[SirPeale]

Geeze, no one is being critical of Jake.  Or even the plans.  Most of the plans on his site were taken by third party.  Theres's bound to be errors and/or oversights.  Everyone just needs to chill.

[Wade]

I took some additional measurements of a MsPac and Galaga cab a few months ago that I can send to someone who wants to update the Jakobud plans and work with him to update them on his site.  I can also help correct the T&F cocktail info.

I could provide measurements for a few other cabinets as well, if someone wants to draw them up.  But whoever is doing it will have to be patient, as this stuff is real low on my priorities.  But I CAN get it done, eventually.

Wade

[patrickl]

I think only Jake can alter the plans. IIRC he drew them with CAD software. The EPS files on the site look generated (for the galaga cab at least) . For instance, curves are not curves, but consist of a number of straights approximating a curve. It's difficult to edit that.

Maybe you can send your measurements directly to Jake?

I'd love to have your measurements to so I can alter my own plans, but I can understand if you don't feel like sending it to several people.

[Tailgunner]

I took some additional measurements of a MsPac and Galaga cab a few months ago that I can send to someone who wants to update the Jakobud plans and work with him to update them on his site.  I can also help correct the T&F cocktail info.

I could provide measurements for a few other cabinets as well, if someone wants to draw them up.  But whoever is doing it will have to be patient, as this stuff is real low on my priorities.  But I CAN get it done, eventually.

Wade

I don't mind drawing them up, it's good practice. I did a Frogger style Sega/Gremlin cab tonight for the hell of it. Next on the list is a Zaxxon style cab.

[fixedpigs]

likewise...i like drawing them up too...

[spriggy]

I took some additional measurements of a MsPac and Galaga cab a few months ago that I can send to someone who wants to update the Jakobud plans and work with him to update them on his site.  I can also help correct the T&F cocktail info.

I could provide measurements for a few other cabinets as well, if someone wants to draw them up.  But whoever is doing it will have to be patient, as this stuff is real low on my priorities.  But I CAN get it done, eventually.

Wade

Quick hijack!!    Hey Wade'O..  Have Pm'd you about my old T&F replica project.  Currently doing a 3d model on her... http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=24005.msg619180#msg619180

Cheers.. continue..

[Wade]

I'm going to help Spriggy with the T&F changes, which are minor, rest assured.

The MsPac/Galaga are far worse, but I'll send the info I have to whoever wants it.  I checked out the pics last night and mostly what they show is the depth of the front, the front-rear distance at the bottom and around the CP area, the height to the CP point, the rear upper edge, and maybe a couple other spots.  I only measured these things because they were accessible without moving the games and because they were the areas that I noticed that looked wrong on Jakobud's plans.  The picture above with the dims overlayed on the MsPac are consistent with what I measured (not jakobud's numbers, but the original ones drawn in with a paint program.)  These games aren't at my house but a friends that I can access just about any time.

Since people seem to be willing to draw these up, I could pretty easily give detailed dims on some other games.  These are the classics that I currently have and could measure easily:
Missile Command, Moon Patrol, Virtua Racing sitdown (4 cars+Live), MsPac cocktail (these are already drawn somewhere, right?), 720 degrees.  I also have some new games and pins but I can't imagine anyone trying to build any of those.

Pick one, and I'll measure it up and detail photo it sometime.

Wade

[Tailgunner]

Moon Patrol would be my first choice.

[fixedpigs]

i could model the ms. pac-man cocktail...

[Wade]

i could model the ms. pac-man rockettail...

ROCKETTAIL??

Saint, fix your profanity filters...

Wade

[spriggy]

i could model the ms. pac-man rockettail...

ROCKETTAIL??

Saint, fix your profanity filters...

Wade

A few too many beers for Saint again me thinks..

[Fozzy The Bear]

i could model the ms. pac-man rockettail...

ROCKETTAIL??

Saint, fix your profanity filters...

Wade

A few too many beers for Saint again me thinks..

You can fix them yourself guys!!
Go into your profile and select options..... you can turn off the profanity filter in there.

This has happened because of a global options reset, that has happened some time in the last day or so.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[spriggy]

i could model the ms. pac-man rockettail...

ROCKETTAIL??

Saint, fix your profanity filters...

Wade

A few too many beers for Saint again me thinks..

You can fix them yourself guys!!
Go into your profile and select options..... you can turn off the profanity filter in there.

This has happened because of a global options reset, that has happened some time in the last day or so.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Thanx Fozz.. never check that!

[patrickl]

I'd say it's more a problem that it shouldn't see cocktail as a profanity rather than that we should switch off the profanity filter altogether.

[saint]

(It's actually a joke that I'll fix today)

[patrickl]

Lol, you got us with it 

[rockin_rick]

it did come of rude to me.. especially this:

I PM'ed him with a request to reply to this thread.

Rick

it sounds like your calling him out to defend the information that he got from other members when he drew up the plans...

I can appreciate wanting to get your cabinet completely right, but jakobud did not go personally measure every cabinet... he just used the information that was passed to him to draft them up....

I'm sure rockin_rick had the best intentions when he originally posted this, but it all came out wrong...

I PM'ed him asking for his insight on this, on what I thought was the advice of CheffoJeffo.  I didn't realize that he meant that I should have done that in the first place.

My 'request that he reply here' was NOT to call him out to defend his plans.  It was to allow him to share his insight on the matter with the entire community, rather than just me in a PM.  It was simply for the benefit of the community.  One of my pet peeves about forums (any) is that too much non-private good information is shared in PMs, and then the community doesn't get the benefit of it.

prehaps posting and asking if anyone had a Nintendo wide body they would be willing to measure to ensure the accuracy of the plans on Jakobud's site and one the discrepancies are noted then e-mailing Jakobud with the revisions....

This was much closer to what I meant, but the translation from my brain to the keyboard wasn't the best....

Rick

[rockin_rick]

Moon Patrol would be my first choice.

This is on Jakobud's site already.  Perhaps you could verify that he wasn't supplied bad data and that his plans are correct? 

This is also tops on my list, I'd appreciate anything that you could do regarding this.

Thanks,
Rick

[Bones]

[pointdablame]

I agree with the crazy Aussie.

 

[Goz]

I agree with the crazy Aussie.

 

I agree with the goofy college guy who agrees with the crazy Aussie