So why didn't they tase this woman, again and again?

[tommy]

Guns and pitbulls don't kill people, people do.

[monkeybomb]

Pet laws should be MUCH stricter.  Most good pet owners would have no problem with this.  It's the irresponsible people that would care and get caught anyway.  Banning breeds is just a stupid way to give into an ignorant public and addresses none of the real problemsand dangers of animal control.

As for Pit Bulls, there are lines of Pit Bulls that are breed for fighting.  If the fines for participating in such activities were significant then that problem would go away and we'd just be left with an outstanding companion animal that can easily play with other dogs and children alike.  I have been to over 25 dog parks and frequent a few every week.  The pit bulls never cause problems and my husky loves to play with them.  I also discuss the issue with other dog enthusiast and none of their opinions match you guys.

Anyone who only knows stories from the "news" and hasn't spent LOTS of time around dogs of all breeds, should shut up.  In fact those that don't fit that category and have posted an opinion should be ashamed of themselves.  It suprises me that people feel they can post strong opinions about things they know nothing about, but wouldn't dream of doing so if it were about a joystick.

[shmokes]

I think rottweilers top the list right now as the most dangerous breed.  It varies from year to year based on number of attacks and deaths and stuff.

[ChadTower]

Anyone who only knows stories from the "news" and hasn't spent LOTS of time around dogs of all breeds, should shut up.

[tommy]

When you see a story about a dog killing someone it's the owners fault for not taking care of the dog properly, you wouldn't let the guy who shoots someone go free and destroy the gun.

Take some resposibilty for your actions or lack of.

[ChadTower]

When you see a story about a dog killing someone it's the owners fault for not taking care of the dog properly, you wouldn't let the guy who shoots someone go free and destroy the gun.

Take some resposibilty for your actions or lack of.

You're talking to us - not the owners.  The owners will not follow any laws or take any responsibility.  Dog owners are notorious for this.  How many times have you seen someone bitten by a dog and the owner denies it, saying their dog has never bitten anyone (meanwhile the dog has blood on its chin and you're bleeding)?

A totally rational solution is only effective if enough people cooperate with it.

[monkeybomb]

But does banning pit bulls address any of the problems?  The illegal fighting rings will still be there until the fine for going to a dog fight is a big enough deterrent.   As long as the rings are there then the pit bulls that actually would kill will still be there.  It seems like a political solution that doesn't do anything at all.

[Dartful Dodger]

You're talking to us - not the owners.

[tommy]

He says stop blaming me for my brothers and sisters bad owners, my owner tommy is the greatest.. 

[ChadTower]

But does banning pit bulls address any of the problems?

[Shape D.]

Anyone who only knows stories from the "news" and hasn't spent LOTS of time around dogs of all breeds, should shut up.  In fact those that don't fit that category and have posted an opinion should be ashamed of themselves.  It suprises me that people feel they can post strong opinions about things they know nothing about, but wouldn't dream of doing so if it were about a joystick.

So if you want to tell people who can and can't post in this thread based on their canine experience. Maybe you could fill us in on yours.

[tommy]

But does banning pit bulls address any of the problems?

[monkeybomb]

Anyone who only knows stories from the "news" and hasn't spent LOTS of time around dogs of all breeds, should shut up.  In fact those that don't fit that category and have posted an opinion should be ashamed of themselves.  It suprises me that people feel they can post strong opinions about things they know nothing about, but wouldn't dream of doing so if it were about a joystick.

So if you want to tell people who can and can't post in this thread based on their canine experience. Maybe you could fill us in on yours.

I am simply a dog owner who has spent an enourmous amount of time around dogs.  I have trained serveral dogs.  Studied a few methods and I volounteered at at a shelter to walk dogs.  I enjoy watching TV and reading about dogs just like I do arcade games.  I am not an animal control officer, vet or a dog breeder.  I only believe in adopting dogs.  I wish I ownerd a dog day care as much as most here wish they had an arcade.

[ChadTower]

Anybody walking a dog without a poop bag, should be ticketed.

...and tased, then ticketed again.

Dog walkers should also be required to carry water and fertilizer.

[tommy]

I give up and you bunch, you can't go around banning things based on some bad examples, you can make a case for just about anything where something bad has gone wrong.

[Shape D.]

She walks away.  What could I do?

I picked up my shovel, scooped up the crap, and flung it at her.  Hit her square in the back.  She screamed and yelled and threatened to call the cops on me.  I never heard from any police, so either she didn't or she did and they told her to screw.

I'm sure thats not the appropriate response, but thats what I would have done as well.

[monkeybomb]

I don't care about illegal fighting.  Not ONE bit.  What I want to do is prevent people from being mauled by pit bulls.

I see the rings as being the source for the dogs that will maul people.  I think we simply disagree on the impact of a pit bull ban.  I think many (but not most) people that have pit bulls get them to participate in this activty.  Those people will hide their dog and still do it.  Then those dogs will get out and maul poeple.  I think not issuing a license will only get rid of the responsible owners and not stop maulings. 

Also does all this apply to the american staffordshire terrier?  Most people wanting a pit bull would be happy with that breed if pit bulls were not available.  But some don't want to recognize the difference.

Chad - great job on the poo fling!!! If we could impose that penalty on all irresponsible dog owners, the world would be a much better place. 

Tommy - ban cars, alchohol and sex

[Shape D.]

I don't care about illegal fighting.  Not ONE bit.  What I want to do is prevent people from being mauled by pit bulls.

I see the rings as being the source for the dogs that will maul people.

I highly doubt that the dog in the story related to this thread was involved in pit fighting. I will deffinattley agree with you that most dogs who maul people are due to a crappy owner. either they don't care enough to train their dog properly or they abuse thier dog.

[monkeybomb]

I highly doubt that the dog in the story related to this thread was involved in pit fighting. I will deffinattley agree with you that most dogs who maul people are due to a crappy owner. either they don't care enough to train their dog properly or they abuse thier dog.

Yeah, I should deffinatly clarify that it's a personal suspicion, not something I have read studies on!

[missioncontrol]

and now on the ligher side:


Rules for Non-Pet Owners Who Visit and Like to
Complain About  Pets:

1. They live here. You don't.

2. If you don't want their hair on your   clothes, stay off the furniture.(That's why they call it "fur"niture.)

3. I like my pets a lot better than  most people.

4. To you, it's an animal. To me, he/she is an adopted on/daughter who is short, hairy, walks on all fours and doesn't speak clearly.

5. Dogs and cats are better than kids...They eat less, don't ask for money all the time, are easier to train, usually come when called, never drive your car, don't hang out with drug-using friends, don't smoke or drink.

You don't worry about having to buy the latest fashions, they don't wear your clothes, and don't need a gazillion dollars for college - - - and if they get pregnant, you can sell the children.

OK continue with debate 

[tommy]

The dog didn't have to have been a fighter to kill, most times a dog that lives outside chained down for many years and rarely sees its owner tends to attack anybody.

[Crazy Cooter]

One of my kids ... he isn't a pit bull.  He's a Great Dane / American Bulldog cross.  Almost twice the size of a pit bull.  I had to be "approved" prior to taking him home and had a visit from the adoption agency both before and after doing so.  There were other hoops to jump through too.  Not everyone should own a dog like this.  He chewed a stump out of my backyard and would probably break bones if he ever bit someone.

Instead of regular beatings and steroids, I gave him Science Diet and obedience classes.  I also take him to dog parks and to the pet store.  I don't wiggle baby's in front of him and I can feed him by hand and take his food out of his mouth while he's trying to eat it.  It's all about the breeders and owners.  A responsible breeder will find a responsible owner and versa-visa.

[tommy]

Cool dog, i had a full bread GD and he had many bone problems growing up, the poor dog couldn't even walk his joints hurt so much, thats something the daynes are known for though.

[Shape D.]

Cool dog, i had a full bread GD and he had many bone problems growing up, the poor dog couldn't even walk his joints hurt so much, thats something the daynes are known for though.

Thats something all large breed dogs have a problem with. their bones grow too fast, and it commonly causes a myriad of bone and joint problems.

[danny_galaga]

Have you ever seen a pit bull in a frenzy?

[danny_galaga]

[allroy1975]

Can you imagine if the boy had killed the dog? 

First off there would be animal rights people all over the place ....and you guys would be arguing about banning children.

maybe they should ban that AWESOME attraction Mission Space at disney world.  If it can kill a 4 year old boy..think what might happen to a pit bull in there.

holy crap i'm confused.

Allroy

[Bones]

I am so gutted. I posted the funniest picture of a dog with the biggest nuts you have ever seen and it got erased. Erased from existence.

I suppose it was just as well, I may have used this image as a precedent to post a pic of my own swollen boys......

[Shape D.]

maybe they should ban that AWESOME attraction Mission Space at disney world.  If it can kill a 4 year old boy.

They should ban it, for four year old children or raise the height requirements for the ride.

[ChadTower]

Not many 4 year olds are 44", which is the height requirement for the ride.  I am sure the autopsy will reveal some unknown preexisting condition.

[Crazy Cooter]

Cool dog, i had a full bread GD and he had many bone problems growing up, the poor dog couldn't even walk his joints hurt so much, thats something the daynes are known for though.

He had a slight issue with one of his back legs, but he grew out of it.  His kneecap would slip a bit and I'd have to massage it back into place.  I forget what it was called.

...but i would rather be trying to bash a german shepherds head in than a pit bulls!

A pit bulls skull is thick.  I've seen my sisters dog bash himself into the couch repeatedly trying to get something from under it.  It made me think of the "chicken or the egg" debate. 


Anyhow, ban 44" tall children!  Group them together for a "ride" called "Mission Pit Bull"  and then open the gates for the pitbulls.  Just like the Romans used to do it.

[ChadTower]

He had a slight issue with one of his back legs, but he grew out of it.

[Stingray]

Anyhow, ban 44" tall children!  Group them together for a "ride" called "Mission Pit Bull"  and then open the gates for the pitbulls.  Just like the Romans used to do it.

Now there's a reality show that I'd be sure to watch.

-S

[DrewKaree]

maybe they should ban that AWESOME attraction Mission Space at disney world.  If it can kill a 4 year old boy.

They should ban it, for four year old children or raise the height requirements for the ride.

I'm never concerned about height requirements for rides.  I'm too busy being concerned about trying to enact width restrictions for airplanes

[danny_galaga]

So had I spelt it like so - RYND - you may have gotten it earlier?

oh, you mean like LYNARD SKYNARD, no...oh wait

[ChadTower]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/24/dog.mauling.ap/index.html

[Shape D.]

Good.

[missioncontrol]

Faibish faces a maximum ten years in prison if convicted.

Maximum 10 years........

She should be mauled to death...........

[ChadTower]

She won't get ten years, she'll get 18 months probation if they even convict her.

[missioncontrol]

She won't get ten years, she'll get 18 months probation if they even convict her.

I know she won't get the ten years, but even if she did it still doesn't sound like enough..............