Author Topic: GunCon2 driver here!!! (Bacon is tasty) (Read 231232 times)

DaemonCollector · « **Reply #440 on:** May 25, 2005, 06:16:56 pm »

Because Acorn's program works, as does yours sans the calibration. I don't know why it dosn't work for me though. Maybe if you explain how to use your calibration routine?

Smog · « **Reply #441 on:** May 25, 2005, 06:23:49 pm »

Well, If acorn's thing work you should use THAT one. We talked a lot about calibration. It's not so hard to understand if you will to read discussions.

AceTKK · « **Reply #442 on:** May 25, 2005, 06:40:34 pm »

wait so Daemon you're saying that I don't need to build the circuit at all if I'm using an ArcadeVGA + arcade monitor?

Acorn · « **Reply #443 on:** May 25, 2005, 09:41:34 pm »

Crap, sorry IntruderAlert, vibez - I promised to update that FAQ then never did. I've made a basic entry about hooking up your arcade monitor, linking to Intruder's lovely guide. Sorry bout that.

IntruderAlert · « **Reply #444 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:36:49 am »

I know that Smog could not get a regular VGA card to work by just combining HSYNC and VSYNC
That was the whole reason for the circuit in the first place.

But Ultimarc's ArcadeVGA and J-Pac are designed to work differently than normal VGA cards.

All I'm saying is that if the J-Pac only needs the second half of the circuit then the ArcadeVGA should only need the second half of the circuit since they both can output the same composite sync.

And yes, I have been able to test the GunCon2 by only connecting an RCA jack to video ground and the twisted HSYNC and VSYNC ( composite sync ) on an ArcadeVGA card

However, that's not saying that I won't get better performance by building the circuit.

So if J-Pac and ArcadeVGA can already ouput a composite sync then all we need is the second half of the circuit to convert the TTL to analog, right?

I really don't mind if I'm completely wrong on this.
I just want to complete the guide with the best connection method for each setup.

IntruderAlert · « **Reply #445 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:44:15 am »

Version 0.0.7u1 OUT !!!
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/smogdragon/files/GunCon2MouseV0.0.7u1.zip

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Tonight I was going to test calibration wizard but my cab didn't want to work .. windows installation got messed up maybe for too much reboots. It will take a pair of days for me to fix it so I've decided to release a new version now. Since it is not fully tested I'll consider it a beta and will not increment version number. Feel free to jump this version if you are not curious or be sure to have the old driver and now how to put it back

so ... in FULL MAME STYLE ... here comes 0.0.7u1 . Let's see what is in it:

Version 0.0.7u1 OUT !!! Codename : "MIND THE GAP"

. New installation pack, joins together driver and control panel (you can find a new icon in XP control panel now) <- I love this.
. Added calibration wizard
. Fixed a bug in the driver that prevented to use sensitivity values minor than 10
. Minor bugfixes.
. Changed handling of centering values (your old values won't work anymore)
. Added a new assignment for buttons (simulates the "shoot off screen")

As always : http://xoomer.virgilio.it/smogdragon/files/GunCon2MouseV0.0.7u1.zip

DETACH (OR PUT IN GCON45 MODE) THE GUN BEFORE INSTALLATION. IF IT IS THE FIRST TIME YOU INSTALL THIS DRIVER, WAIT FOR INSTALLATION TO END AND THEN PLUG THE GUN. LET WINDOWS SEARCH FOR THE BEST DRIVER WITHOUT SUGGESTING A PATH FOR THE INF FILE.

http://lightgun.splinder.com/

vibez · « **Reply #446 on:** May 26, 2005, 04:29:03 am »

Quote from: IntruderAlert on May 26, 2005, 01:36:49 am

So if J-Pac and ArcadeVGA can already ouput a composite sync then all we need is the second half of the circuit to convert the TTL to analog, right?

This part is the uncertainty. I have proved that just connecting the gun to the right pins on the jamma connector, is enough to get sync & move the guns around perfectly calibrated.

My problem is that it did not work @ all resolutions. Now this may be a one off case. I know the jpac & arcadevga have problems syncing correctly with hantarex polo monitors. In my case the screen offsets either left or right depending on the res. There are probably 3 causes.

1 - The setup doesnt like my monitor
2 - The Jpac is outputting too much voltage
3 - The TTL levels are wrong & need the circuit building

Try it guys. Report back your findings. All it involves is attatching a rca plug to the correct pins on the jamme connector. If it dont work, its easily removed

erikthecat · « **Reply #447 on:** May 31, 2005, 02:27:44 pm »

WOW!
this all sounds a little too good to be true.
keep up the good work guys,
can't wait to see the retail version,
(for us MAME dummies)
,but mainly so that you get some return for your efforts.
good luck:)

Smog · « **Reply #448 on:** May 31, 2005, 07:09:34 pm »

A retail version ? Who told you about a retail version

?? Your interest (and my guns working) is all that I need and I plan to need.

notaburger · « **Reply #449 on:** June 01, 2005, 03:41:59 am »

yo guys, just wanted to say thanks to smog
i made a circuit today and i'm plannin on building a tutorial for it (complete with pictures of the exact boxes from radio shack) so that everyone can build it
i'm aiming for it to be geared to all those that have never built a circuit
it's not hard at all
so that way you guys can lay off of smog

we appreciate everything that you're doing (cause we can't do it)
and thanks to acorn too for his work on his driver too
it's all great stuff
i've got a crazy busy couple of days but expect something up by this weekend for all you out there that are terrified that this thing is hard to build
lates

vibez · « **Reply #450 on:** June 01, 2005, 05:41:31 am »

That would be great. Any chance of yoy doing it on a stripboard. I had a nightmare trying to build a PCB. I had to give up in the end as I couldnt get a PCB made properly

AceTKK · « **Reply #451 on:** June 01, 2005, 12:48:57 pm »

Thx notaburgr, that would be great!

-Ace-

Dexter · « **Reply #452 on:** June 01, 2005, 12:51:23 pm »

Hi all,

Question for the guncon gurus. I have a radeon video card in my machine running a WG D9200 via a VGA cable. This card also has a composite out that can (AFAIK) send the same signal as the VGA out simultaneously.
I'm not well up on building circuits as I'm sausage fingered with a soldering iron.

My question is..can I have the vga out going to the D9200 but plug the guncons into the composite out of the video card at the same time?? Will the guncon 2 driver work like this??

Thanks!

Dexter

Billkwando · « **Reply #453 on:** June 01, 2005, 12:58:38 pm »

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can I have the vga out going to the D9200 but plug the guncons into the composite out of the video card at the same time?? Will the guncon 2 driver work like this??

It will "work" but you can't play that way. You'll need a splitter for your composite video out. 1 will need to go to the gun, the other to your TV. The gun will not work or react on a PC monitor, but will through your TV on TV out.

Also, my 9200 has both S-video and composite outputs. I plug the S-video to my TV and the composite to the gun and it works fine with no splitter, plus I get to benefit from the higher quality S-video picture....

AceTKK · « **Reply #454 on:** June 01, 2005, 02:26:47 pm »

Billik, he's not using a t.v. The WG 9200 is a multi-sync arcade monitor. Dexter, you'd better ask Smog whether the driver supports monitors like the 9200.

-Ace-

Billkwando · « **Reply #455 on:** June 01, 2005, 02:40:23 pm »

LMAO.... I read it as Radeon 9200, not WG 9200.....my mistake lol

Would probably work, right?

Flinkly · « **Reply #456 on:** June 01, 2005, 06:08:14 pm »

well, not to sound rude, but we had a big discussion on this some time back. I was thinking along the same lines, but everyone came to the conclusion that the video signals on the vga line aren't the same as the video signals on the composite line. you could hook the guns up this way, but the guns wont see the same screen that your pointing at.

it's hard to explain, but there were two or three pages of posts about this, so you might want to look over those for a better explanation.

Scoobie · « **Reply #457 on:** June 01, 2005, 06:46:31 pm »

Quote from: Billkwando on May 02, 2005, 11:01:39 am

Also, for those who're interested in using Component Video with the guncon, my understanding is that all you have to do is run the guncon off of the green plug. Apparently this is the way it's done when using guncon on PS2 with component cables.

I saw the Component connection question asked but have not read a solution.

Dexter · « **Reply #458 on:** June 02, 2005, 05:23:54 am »

Quote from: Flinkly on June 01, 2005, 06:08:14 pm

I was thinking along the same lines, but everyone came to the conclusion that the video signals on the vga line aren't the same as the video signals on the composite line.

Billkwando · « **Reply #459 on:** June 02, 2005, 09:41:57 am »

Let me take this opportunity to remind everyone that you NEVER have to cut, splice, shave, hack, or generally mutilate ANY part of your Guncon2 or any part of it's accompanying cable to use the driver, or to do ANY part of what we're discussing.

New folks, please put your all-purpose wiring crimper/cutter/stripper away.

Billkwando · « **Reply #460 on:** June 02, 2005, 09:52:12 am »

Quote from: Scoobie on June 01, 2005, 06:46:31 pm

Quote from: Billkwando on May 02, 2005, 11:01:39 am
Also, for those who're interested in using Component Video with the guncon, my understanding is that all you have to do is run the guncon off of the green plug. Apparently this is the way it's done when using guncon on PS2 with component cables.
I saw the Component connection question asked but have not read a solution.

Flinkly · « **Reply #461 on:** June 02, 2005, 12:18:13 pm »

not to offend you dexter, but no one else who is testing for the driver has that kind of setup. if you want to know the answer to your question, be our guest and do it yourself. the driver isn't far enough along that we have all the answers, or even half the answers, but we will give you any information we do have, and that is what we have given you. guncons are only 20 bucks tops, and even 10 if you find a good deal, and if you don't cut up the guncon, you can always use it in a different setup later, since you seem interested in it anyways.

Billkwando · « **Reply #462 on:** June 02, 2005, 12:20:31 pm »

LOL did I give the wrong explanation again?

[Edit]: Oh wait, you're talking to Dexter and I'm talking to Scoob....so I think I got it right this time......

Scoobie · « **Reply #463 on:** June 02, 2005, 04:50:13 pm »

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I saw the Component connection question asked but have not read a solution.

Smog · « **Reply #464 on:** June 02, 2005, 08:20:12 pm »

Hi dexter,

At what frequency are you using your multisync monitor ? Do you use any 15Khz-forcing program with your radeon (i.e. powerstrip) ? If not you are probably driving the arcade mon at 31Khz and this is not good for the gun. It will not work.

Another thing : When you connect your vga out to an arcade mon (we always talk of STANDARD 15 Khz ARCADE MON .. not multisync ) you cannot hook the gun to the composite out. This won't work.

let me say once again that :
15 Khz sync (standard arcade monitor and TVs) = GOOD
31 Khz sync (pc monitor, possible usage of multisync arcade mon) = BAD

Dexter · « **Reply #465 on:** June 03, 2005, 06:11:31 am »

Thanks for the reply Smog, I'm running my WG D9200 at 800x600 res @ 56hz so I guess I'm stuffed.

I know the monitor will work at 15.75hz to 31.5hz so I guess I'm looking at getting an Arcadevga yes?

What about forcing dosmame into arcade monitor mode (ie 15hz). The d9200 will work at this frequency AFAIK.

Any takers???

chrisindfw · « **Reply #466 on:** June 03, 2005, 09:26:30 am »

Well... I got my guns in the mail today. I got a PS2 Gun.

This weekend I plan to ...

1) Hack my S-Video Cable
2) Plug it in
3) Install Driver

PLAY!

Anything else I am forgetting?

Dire Radiant · « **Reply #467 on:** June 03, 2005, 10:48:15 am »

Quote from: chrisindfw on June 03, 2005, 09:26:30 am

Anything else I am forgetting?

Get your camera's focus fixed?

Billkwando · « **Reply #468 on:** June 03, 2005, 10:53:27 am »

Apparently someone figured out how to get the Guncon2 to work with a PC monitor:

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As you say, computer monitors should not work, but it actually works nearly perfect with my Namco GunCon2, just adding a little electronic circuit.

What I do is to add a edge triggered flip-flop (74HC74) to divide both horizontal and vertical sync in a XOR (74HC86) sync combining circuit. This is really not a legal things to do in tv-electronics, but it works with this gun (640x480, 31,5Khz 60Hz Progressive).

There are many ways light guns can figure out where you point it on the screen. A theory (since I don

Smog · « **Reply #469 on:** June 03, 2005, 07:44:47 pm »

@dexter

yes, under DOS you can use arcadeos+mamedos and it works at 15 Khz. You can also use advancemame that is specifically deisgned for this usage.

@billkwando

I see some possibilities this can work, dividing up the horizontal scan should be enough. I suppose it can work or at least it is worth a try. Unfortunately I have an LCD as a pc-monitor

Sorry, I can't test it.

chrisindfw · « **Reply #470 on:** June 04, 2005, 01:36:48 pm »

Well I plugged in my gun and it works... I didnt use any wire splitting... I simply had some adapters laying around so I went from S-Video > RCA Y-Adapter > S-Video > tv works good..

HOWEVER,

The calibration, when it says "Unplug gun and plug in again"(or something like that) my system crashes. And reboots. Same thing goes for if I switch from Guncon2 to normal mode on the gun.

I am thinking it might be time to rebuild xp again. All my games are on a seperate hard drive anyways.

Right now I cannot see the mouse move and the icon is stuck up in the corner.

1) How do the "Edges" on the control panel keep getting reset. Do i need to change these to match my resolution?

2) Whats the best way to center the gun. It is about 2 inches off to the right.

OH... I am not bashing this by any means... This is great.. cheap and simple... Gotta love that

Thanks

vibez · « **Reply #471 on:** June 05, 2005, 05:00:26 am »

I think the crashing can be solved by installing the latest service packs

markb · « **Reply #472 on:** June 05, 2005, 07:08:56 am »

Quote from: chrisindfw on June 04, 2005, 01:36:48 pm

The calibration, when it says "Unplug gun and plug in again"(or something like that) my system crashes. And reboots. Same thing goes for if I switch from Guncon2 to normal mode on the gun.

I have a similar problem on 1 of the 4 PC's I have tried it on, 2 have XP pro, 2 have XP home. My main PC is up to date with Service packs etc however the other 3 have no updates whatsoever and only one of them crashes.
I'm fairly convinced it's a hardware problem (although I will stand to be corrected) as I had a similar problem on an older PC which would crash upon removal of a USB pen.

Alcohol · « **Reply #473 on:** June 05, 2005, 08:08:50 am »

Hi guys.. ive been reading through the thread.. about connecting these guns to arcade monitors or tv via the tv out..

well my set up is a little diffrent as i have and arcade vga connected to a tv via the vga on the card to the rgb inputs(scart) on my tv, now would i be correct in thinking i could connect these guns using the arcade monitor method..

thanks...

nobody · « **Reply #474 on:** June 05, 2005, 09:55:06 am »

i found something that may interest anyone who is looking for a gun:

http://www.joytech.net/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=30

a wireless gun, seems like a pretty cool gun. On play.com it has an offer that mean you get 2 of those for

vibez · « **Reply #475 on:** June 05, 2005, 11:25:32 am »

Do they work in 2player mode ok? They look nice

Dexter · « **Reply #476 on:** June 05, 2005, 11:51:09 am »

Good looking guns alright. Will they definitely work, being guncon2 compatible??

nobody · « **Reply #477 on:** June 05, 2005, 12:20:53 pm »

Quote from: Dexter on June 05, 2005, 11:51:09 am

Good looking guns alright. Will they definitely work, being guncon2 compatible??

yeah if they are guncon 2 they should work, i havent tried them out myself but ill definatly put them on my cab once its built

Smog · « **Reply #478 on:** June 05, 2005, 07:47:25 pm »

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Hi guys.. ive been reading through the thread.. about connecting these guns to arcade monitors or tv via the tv out..

well my set up is a little diffrent as i have and arcade vga connected to a tv via the vga on the card to the rgb inputs(scart) on my tv, now would i be correct in thinking i could connect these guns using the arcade monitor method..

thanks...

Your assumption are good.

jdjuggler · « **Reply #479 on:** June 07, 2005, 12:16:58 am »

Hmm... Seems like this Wireless Gun is an improved version of previous models....

Transferring data at an astonishing speed of 1-3Mbps (Milli Bits Per Second), the Wireless Sharp Shooter communicates with the console at a speed comparable with that of standard wired peripherals, virtually eliminating every trace of


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