Author Topic: GunCon2 driver here!!! (Bacon is tasty) (Read 239479 times)

vibez · « **Reply #520 on:** June 23, 2005, 07:44:37 am »

Quote from: Ldsfunaz on June 23, 2005, 07:29:11 am

aljupy, so the official guncon2 is the only accurate gun that is worth playing with that doesn't need to be connected to a ps2 for power?

and for the love of god what is the rolling x problem? everyone talks about it, i cant find any info on what it actually is..

thanks
mike

Acorn posted this on his site

This problem is when your lightgun, as you move it across the screen, resets the mouse to the begining. For examples, see these:

http://www.free2million.com/rollingx.jpg

Smog · « **Reply #521 on:** June 23, 2005, 08:07:31 am »

Quote

aljupy, so the official guncon2 is the only accurate gun that is worth playing with that doesn't need to be connected to a ps2 for power?

I use 2 of the so known "mission gun", and they work great. No need for external power supply (if you don't use the recoil).

aljupy · « **Reply #522 on:** June 23, 2005, 08:36:06 am »

Hello:
I

Jawadali · « **Reply #523 on:** June 23, 2005, 11:29:52 am »

Wow, I was reading you're reply, and that must have been around/over $200 in lightguns tested.

Here was the one I was going to buy:

http://www.gameexpress.com/product_detail.cfm?UPC=837742004795

If you click on the pictures, they show you all the detail/features listed on the box.

I e-maild the manufacturer (www.dreamgear.net) with a few questions regarding Power/compatibility, so I'm going to wait a day or two for a response before I order 2.

It was going to be used for my PS1/PS2 games in addtion to MAME. I liked the recoil feature, and $38 shipped for 2 seems liek a pretty good price.

Jawadali · « **Reply #524 on:** June 23, 2005, 08:20:33 pm »

I have a few questions for people using this driver:

1) Has anyone tried using this on windows 98 or Win98 SE (the OS I'm using)?

2) Do you guys have both "Guncon2Mouse" and "WinGun" installed, or only one of hte drivers/Apps?

Thanks.

aljupy · « **Reply #525 on:** June 24, 2005, 03:54:12 am »

@Jawadali : Yes, I Bought a lot of LightGuns for PS2. I have 11 Lightguns fos PS2 (Most of them I have repeated, because I have two Hands LOL.)

About Your LightGun : I think It is TOO CHEAP. That is a "P99G2 Blaster" Clone ( from Logic 3). I do not Think it is very Accurate. Nobody gives Free items. If Accuracy is the price we must pay, I do not doubt to pay for a Good accurate LightGun. If you are planning to use this Driver. I Would recommend a SCORPION3 (from blaze) just for 15$ more. This One Tracks WONDERFULLY if calibrated properly. And you have a Laser Pointing. It is a shame because Scorpion 3 Has NO RECOIL-KICKBACK. With a little Brighness increase it tracks PERFECTLY on BLACK areas. The gun you are planning to buy requires quite brightness Screen.

About Drivers :
<<Has anyone tried using this on windows 98>> Authors said that it works in Just in XP. I tested in Windows2000 with Success (Wingun). And in windows 98 it failed me, but it could be because it was an old machine. Try it, it is not too hard.
<<Do you guys have both "Guncon2Mouse" and "WinGun">> Authors says that driver "overwrites" one from other so you can use only the LAST you installed. I Use WINGUN, because I can Calibrate SUPER EASY, it doesn

aljupy · « **Reply #526 on:** June 24, 2005, 04:47:41 am »

In my last post, When I say "REBOOT" I mean Reboot your LightGun (UNPLUG and REPLUG from USB).

Smog · « **Reply #527 on:** June 24, 2005, 05:04:06 am »

GunCon2Mouse cannot work on win9x and I don't mean maybe. Chance there are that it can work on win2000 but I've never tested it.

Jawadali · « **Reply #528 on:** June 24, 2005, 01:00:08 pm »

@Aljupy: thanks for all of the info.

I was really keen on that one because of the recoil (I don't care about auto-reload, and I won't miss auto-fire). It seems to be a copy of the "Logic 3 P99L" (http://www.spectravideo.com/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=310&category_id=).

I still haven't got a reply from the USA company (Dreamgear). My budget is about $40 for two guns (and that includes shipping), so I'm kinda limited.

Will the Scorpion 3 work an a projection TV (CRT projection, not DLP projection, not LCD TV, not Plasma TV? Some people have been saying yes and some people have been saying no. I was pretty sure that the answer was a "no".

@Smog: thanks for the driver confirmation. And if the driver works on WinXP, there is a very good chance that it will work on Windows 2000, since they are very similar (almost exactly the same) OSes.

Another Question:Has anyone tried WinGun with windows 98?

Thanks,

Jawadali

aljupy · « **Reply #529 on:** June 24, 2005, 04:01:22 pm »

<<I was really keen on that one because of the recoil>> Yeah, that is a very Good Recoil, but...Orange Colour? Maybe an original p99g2l in a cool Black Color Would be best. !!SEARCH the last model wich is Wireless!!!!
I ADVISE YOU, I Prefer TIME CRISIS ARCADE

Jawadali · « **Reply #530 on:** June 24, 2005, 04:16:21 pm »

Thank you for the info.

So you recommend the Scorpion 3 for an All-around MAME/PS2 experience.

Any guns with a foot pedal that you recommend? Also, any with recoil that you recommend?

I prefer a wired gun cause they are usually cheaper (and less interference/disconnections).

What do you know about any of these guns (there are more of you click PS2 at the top of the page)?

http://www.firstsing.com/products/psx2/PSX2027.htm

I was planning to get a regular CRT TV, most probably 32", but maybe 36" if I find a good one for a decent price.

Sorry for all the questions. I also wonder what it would take to get these drivers to work on Windows 98 SE.

I saw that erealgames gun, and it got pretty bad reviews, so I want to avoid it.

PM me your AIM/MSN if you have one so we can chat.

AceTKK · « **Reply #531 on:** June 24, 2005, 04:46:29 pm »

Does anybody have any experience using a GunCon2 - style gun on an arcade monitor that's laid back at an angle? My cab will have a 27" monitor sitting at pretty close to 45 degrees (like the T.M.N.T. / X-Men / Nba Jam games. Will the guns still track accurately if the screen is not completely vertical?

thx,

-Ace-

Jawadali · « **Reply #532 on:** June 24, 2005, 08:52:12 pm »

Quote from: aljupy on June 24, 2005, 04:01:22 pm

<<I was really keen on that one because of the recoil>> Yeah, that is a very Good Recoil, but...Orange Colour? Maybe an original p99g2l in a cool Black Color Would be best. !!SEARCH the last model wich is Wireless!!!!
I ADVISE YOU, I Prefer TIME CRISIS ARCADE

Smog · « **Reply #533 on:** June 25, 2005, 05:04:05 pm »

My arcade monitor is not perfectly vertical .. let'say about 20 degrees to the back and the gun tracks well.

AceTKK · « **Reply #534 on:** June 25, 2005, 11:59:57 pm »

cool, it's worth a shot then. Thx SMOG.

-Ace-

biocrack · « **Reply #535 on:** July 04, 2005, 11:53:55 am »

I have a Pelican lightgun psx/psx2 compatible and
works as a guncon1 or guncon2. it have rumble support.

because it needs extra voltage (i think) from the console it doesn't work ( i don't have a psx or psx2 )

so my question is :

anyway to make it work without using ad aditional console ?

thanks !

vibez · « **Reply #536 on:** July 04, 2005, 02:23:15 pm »

I wondered the same question. I think we need to just supply 7v to the gameport on the correct pins. Although I believe the gameport takes a 5v & 7.5v supply from the ps2. I'm not sure whether we need just 7.5, 5v or both

Jawadali · « **Reply #537 on:** July 04, 2005, 02:34:04 pm »

Yeah. I will be having the same problem with the Scorpion 3 guns I just ordered.

I have a spare PS2 that I will use for this (it was having DREs, so I got it cheap).

The cheapest thing to so IMHO would be to buy an old PSX/PSone jsut for this reason. I'm sure someone would sell you one for $20 or less (especially if it's broken).

Silver · « **Reply #538 on:** July 05, 2005, 12:15:57 pm »

Quote from: aljupy on June 23, 2005, 08:36:06 am

"Official GUNCON2" Is the MOST accurate gun. This point I want to be cleared. (Forget that RGT-G1 LOL). But we do not Know why Cursors "resets" in Edge X. (Y Edge TRACKS PERFECT!!! ). This Just Happens in this PC-Drivers, not in PS2.
Guncon2 Is Higly Accurate but....... Guncon is the MOST ACCURATE IN WHOLE MARKET.

Are you sure about this? Or are you just talking about amongst the guncon guns? And how can it be so accurate if the X tracking does not even work correctly? (Or is this only some systems/guns?)

A well calibrated Act Labs PC USB gun can be used to hit the falling leaf in Point Blank (where you only have 1 bullet) - So I'd like to know how anyone can test something as being more accurate?

Jawadali · « **Reply #539 on:** July 05, 2005, 12:19:20 pm »

Quote from: Silver on July 05, 2005, 12:15:57 pm

Are you sure about this? Or are you just talking about amongst the guncon guns? And how can it be so accurate if the X tracking does not even work correctly? (Or is this only some systems/guns?)

A well calibrated Act Labs PC USB gun can be used to hit the falling leaf in Point Blank (where you only have 1 bullet) - So I'd like to know how anyone can test something as being more accurate?

He may be talking about it in reference to it being used as a PS2 light gun.

Smog · « **Reply #540 on:** July 05, 2005, 03:18:06 pm »

I hit the leaf 4 times out of 5 with my guncon2 on my cab.

Silver · « **Reply #541 on:** July 05, 2005, 07:40:01 pm »

Quote from: Smog on July 05, 2005, 03:18:06 pm

I hit the leaf 4 times out of 5 with my guncon2 on my cab.

Outstanding! I've not been paying enough attention to read all the threads on this, but I had not encountered anyone who had this running 100%. I thought everyone had this X axis looped round the screen issue. Apologies if I missed it all.

Ok going slightly off the beaten path here: Anyone taken a look at the guts on a guncon? In particular the light-sensitive resistor/optical sensor in the tip of gun? I'd quite like to know if its a special part or something pretty bogstandard.

I had a guncon to mess with although I've foolishly passed it on to someone - I'm going to grab another to play out a couple of ideas....

aljupy · « **Reply #542 on:** July 05, 2005, 07:43:24 pm »

<<<Are you sure about this?>>> YEs, I

biocrack · « **Reply #543 on:** July 06, 2005, 12:27:17 pm »

Quote from: vibez on July 04, 2005, 02:23:15 pm

I wondered the same question. I think we need to just supply 7v to the gameport on the correct pins. Although I believe the gameport takes a 5v & 7.5v supply from the ps2. I'm not sure whether we need just 7.5, 5v or both

Interesting, somebody has more info about this ?
ideas ?
sugestions ?

thanks !

Silver · « **Reply #544 on:** July 07, 2005, 07:14:04 am »

Aha - is this why the scorpion3 I've just borrowed is not even detected?

I don't have a PS/PS2. I'm sure its simply a matter of finding out which pins need power on the PS connector.

Theres a pinout of a PS controller here: http://narmi.net/psx/controller.html

Note that only 5V appears to be available (from a PS1 anyway) if that disgram is accurate. Unless one of the "not used" pins is used for lightguns?

biocrack · « **Reply #545 on:** July 08, 2005, 11:03:57 am »

Then is posible to build a circuit to provide the +5 volts the game port needs !!!!

Silver · « **Reply #546 on:** July 08, 2005, 12:02:34 pm »

Or - even better - if its just 5V then it can be pulled out of the PC power supply (molex connectors)....

Anyone else used a scorpion 3? Does it need extra power? I've seen it mentioned a few times in the various guncon threads.....

AceTKK · « **Reply #547 on:** July 08, 2005, 12:27:34 pm »

I think that would be a good question for the manufacturer of the Scorpion3.

-Ace-

Billkwando · « **Reply #548 on:** July 08, 2005, 12:48:52 pm »

I'd answered the question about powering the gun before, but I'll say it again.

The easiest thing to do is buy a PSX to USB converter, and simply plug the Ps2 plug into that to provide the power. Yes, it'll take up two USB ports for one gun, but it negates the need to build a circuit and is probably cheaper.

aljupy · « **Reply #549 on:** July 08, 2005, 12:59:37 pm »

<<<The easiest thing to do is buy a PSX to USB converter, and simply plug the Ps2 plug>>> Have you test it? I have done it with my sorpion3 and it did not work. I tried my Superbox converter an another one without label.

I plug it in my PS2 or you can buy second hand PS1 or you can connect to an inexpensive External Power Suppply. 7,2 Volt are not supposed to fry the gun.

SEE YOU!!!!

Billkwando · « **Reply #550 on:** July 08, 2005, 01:13:21 pm »

Really, it didn't work? That's pretty bizarre, since the power should be the same either way.....

biocrack · « **Reply #551 on:** July 08, 2005, 02:54:41 pm »

i do the same with my gun and no result..

Jawadali · « **Reply #552 on:** July 08, 2005, 03:26:55 pm »

Here is the Scorpion 3 manufacturer page with downloadable manual:

http://www.xploder.net/?s=195_6ca89103-f0c8-4130-9db8-d3af2bb82b2a&c=ps2&a=products&id=19

Silver · « **Reply #553 on:** July 09, 2005, 09:26:40 am »

Hmmm if the PSX-USB convertes don't work with it, but a PS1 or 2 does, then its probably something slightly more missing.

Are PS1 and PS2 ports identical? Could the PS being setting some of the Data lines 'high' which activates the gun? Although I would assume that a PSX converter would do the same.

Does anyone use a scorpion3 WITHOUT having to run a PS or PS2 just to get it working?

Silver · « **Reply #554 on:** July 09, 2005, 09:31:27 am »

Quote from: aljupy on July 08, 2005, 12:59:37 pm

... you can connect to an inexpensive External Power Suppply. 7,2 Volt are not supposed to fry the gun.

Hi, have you tried this? And more importantly, which pins on the PS controller are +V and Ground when you connect the powe supply?

I am surprised that the above would work and a PSX converter will not - sounds like its needs more power than most, maybe that the USB power lines struggle with? May be due to the laser sighting...

Billkwando · « **Reply #555 on:** July 09, 2005, 10:16:28 am »

I wonder if a powered USB hub would make the difference?

Jawadali · « **Reply #556 on:** July 09, 2005, 12:11:41 pm »

Maybe a powered hub would make a difference, or maybe not.

However, this is what I noticed with my PSX>USB converter. I am using it with my PSX dual arcade stick (here), and it works fine, except for the fact that it does not rumble. When I plug it into my PS2, the rumble/force feedback works. This was plugged directly to an onboard USB port. However, although I got a driver disk for this converter, I did not install it because the controller was auto-detected (when I tried to install one of the 2 drivers, it got messed up and stopped working untill I uninstalled the drivers).

I did not test it with a regular PSX dual shock pad, nor do I have any PC force-feedback enabled games, but no sign of force feedback shows up in Windows' "Game Controllers" control panel.

Billkwando · « **Reply #557 on:** July 09, 2005, 12:13:29 pm »

Kooky.

My PS adaptor rumbles just fine, but of course I usually use a PSX to Xbox adaptor, plugged into an XBox to PC adaptor. LOL

Jawadali · « **Reply #558 on:** July 09, 2005, 12:49:32 pm »

I was suspecting that it was the bigger motors in my dual arcade stick that needed more powerthan the USB could provide.

Billkwando · « **Reply #559 on:** July 09, 2005, 12:57:55 pm »

As for not having a game with force feedback, here's grandaddy for you:

http://finalburnff.tripod.com/

That's Final Burn FF. Then just download the Outrun rom and you can test for FF. It will probably make you run out and buy a wheel....I know I wanted to!


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