Author Topic: Coin Controls - Coin Mechs - Installation (Read 4134 times)

DreamWeb · « **on:** March 14, 2005, 11:12:07 am »

Hey folks.

I'm just about done collecting the pieces for my cabinet (in fact.. this is the last bit)

My question is..

Can I pretty much choose any pair of coin mechs that I see on Ebay and have them fit my current coin door? How exactly do they fit in there? I take it they're pretty much universal?

Here's a shot of my coin door.

Thanks guys.

David

cholin · « **Reply #1 on:** March 14, 2005, 11:16:09 am »

Last time I checked, as long as they fit right, they should be OK. You may buy one that doesnt quite work the same, and may need a little hack, but I read that if they fit, they fit

DreamWeb · « **Reply #2 on:** March 14, 2005, 11:17:52 am »

A hack? That's what scares me!!

d.

cholin · « **Reply #3 on:** March 14, 2005, 11:21:27 am »

Haha nah not that bad, just like maybe tightenning a screw or crimping wires...nothing big.

Stingray · « **Reply #4 on:** March 14, 2005, 11:23:48 am »

Looks like a Coin Controls over/under. Standard mechs fit fine. Once you have the mech in hand it will be pretty obvious how they fit in there.

-S

Thenasty · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2005, 11:29:12 am »

from that pic, looks like the coin mechs are missing. Look slike a Coin Controls/happs over and under standard coin door, so if you have any mechs you can hack it to this.....
http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=19200

Ken Layton · « **Reply #6 on:** March 14, 2005, 11:46:10 am »

No No No! That's an old style Coin Controls door. Only Coin Controls coin mechs will work properly in those. The entry trough has an area that will let quarters occasionaly slip out and fall past the coin mech altogether. A Coin Controls coin mech has an extended part of the coin gate assembly to make allowance for this and keep coins from falling past/jamming/screwing up. Either the metal or plastic Coin Controls coin mechs will work properly in this door.

If this were the late style (say 1996 and newer with the quick latch bracket) Coin Controls or any other brand of coin door then yes you could use any coin mech.

DreamWeb · « **Reply #7 on:** March 14, 2005, 12:00:13 pm »

Does this mean I need a new coin door?? Coin Controls mechs seem tougher to come by.

d.

Ken Layton · « **Reply #8 on:** March 14, 2005, 12:16:26 pm »

If you just want to use any old mech then get another brand of door. At one time Coin Controls made a retrofit kit to convert this door to the new style (silver) entry troughs/quick release bracket. Since Coin Controls no longer make coin doors nor coin mechs you're screwed.

DreamWeb · « **Reply #9 on:** March 14, 2005, 12:39:55 pm »

Well.. that certainly does suck.

Just to confirm that these are Coin Controls doors.. Here is a (rather poor) shot of the front of the door.

Sorry it's not more of a close-up.

Let me know, please.

Thanks, guys.

d.

Stingray · « **Reply #10 on:** March 14, 2005, 12:48:42 pm »

Hmm, that looks just like the door on my NEO-GEO. I just grabbed a couple mechs randomly out of the parts box and stuck them on. I guess mine must be the newer style, though I don't see what the difference is. Not looking at mine right now, I guess if I were the difference might be obvious.

-S

Wade · « **Reply #11 on:** March 14, 2005, 12:50:27 pm »

I believe I have extra coin control mechs, if it turns out you need those specifically. I will sell you a pair for $5 each + shipping (should be < $5) if you need them. Email me privately at wadelanham at hotmail.com if you are interested.

Thanks,
Wade

Thenasty · « **Reply #12 on:** March 14, 2005, 01:20:48 pm »

this is what Ken might be refering too.

Thenasty · « **Reply #13 on:** March 14, 2005, 01:22:16 pm »

Quote from: DreamWeb on March 14, 2005, 12:00:13 pm

Does this mean I need a new coin door??

DreamWeb · « **Reply #14 on:** March 14, 2005, 01:30:22 pm »

TheNasty,

Are they really all that tough to modify/hack? I'm in Canada, so Canadian .25 would be ideal... or even token (.982?) capable mechs would be ok in a pinch.

Thanks for the photos.

d.

Thenasty · « **Reply #15 on:** March 14, 2005, 01:33:30 pm »

Quote from: DreamWeb on March 14, 2005, 01:30:22 pm

TheNasty,

Are they really all that tough to modify/hack?

APFelon · « **Reply #16 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:20:45 pm »

Canadian quarters are the same size as US quarters. All you have to do to make mechs work with Canadian quarters is remove the magnet in them.

APf

DreamWeb · « **Reply #17 on:** March 14, 2005, 04:12:21 pm »

Oh, good to know.

Does that include both Coin Controls AND Happs mechs?

Thanks for the info.

d.

Thenasty · « **Reply #18 on:** March 14, 2005, 04:23:47 pm »

Quote from: DreamWeb on March 14, 2005, 04:12:21 pm

Oh, good to know.

APFelon · « **Reply #19 on:** March 14, 2005, 05:07:01 pm »

Yep, Canadian coins will stick to a magnet. Unlike US coins, which are made of a non-magnetic alloy, I believe Canadian coins are steel (not sure, but they WILL get caught on mech magnets).

We saw quite a few Canadian quarters on my route and in the airport. Canadians would jam the machines with their quarters so often that my boss had me remove the magnets entirely. Funny thing is, Minnesotan banks (at the time, anyway) treated the Canadian quarter as 25c US, oddly enough.

Magnet removal on most models of mechs is pretty simple and self explanitory. Some are kept in place with bendable tabs, screws, or whatever. Some you have to snap a plastic retainer. No matter, just remove the magnets and stick them to the refridgerator. The mech will operate as normal (even with quarters from north of the border)

APf

Ken Layton · « **Reply #20 on:** March 14, 2005, 07:50:20 pm »

Thenasty:

Yup those are Coin Control mechs. They have the "shovel" extension at the top.

Chris · « **Reply #21 on:** March 14, 2005, 08:58:54 pm »

I have a Coin Controls door and I put Happ plastic mechs in them just fine. It's kind of a pain to get them in, but they do work. I did have to cut off the plastic studs on the mechs, as they were too large... I just put small screws in their place once the mech was installed.

Here's my Coin Controls door with installed Happ's mechs. Ignore the red ovals; they're highlighting the extra switches I added to register a credit when the coin return is pushed in.

DreamWeb · « **Reply #22 on:** March 14, 2005, 09:13:29 pm »

Thanks for the pic!! Luckily though, I just found a person (locally) that is going to sell me Coin Control mechs.. so, no need to worry about installing Happs mechs inside the doors.

One (really newbie) question though....

All of the wiring leads to one single plug.. I'm assuming that this was made for easy attaching to some kind of harness?! Would my best bet be to rewire it completely so I could hook it up to my Keywiz? (sorry.. this might sound like a bit of an obvious question)

d.

Chris · « **Reply #23 on:** March 14, 2005, 09:22:40 pm »

I wouldn't cut off the existing plug. Just get a matching plug at Radio Shack (probably the 9-Position Standard Male Polarized Interlocking Connector, $2.39, Catalog #274-229), follow the wires back to figure out which is which, and wire them accordingly. Four of the wires (two switches, two grounds) will go to the IPac, one of them (green, in all likelyhood) goes to the cabinet ground (if you have one), and the rest are for the lamps and will go to a 5V or 12V connector on your PC power supply, depending on whether the door has 6V or 12V lamps.

--Chris

DreamWeb · « **Reply #24 on:** March 14, 2005, 09:34:05 pm »

Wow. That was a pretty thurough reply ! (complete with RS Catalog #)!! thanks. I've got a lot to learn.. but, I guess that's part of the reason I jumped into this hobby!

Thanks.

d.

RayB · « **Reply #25 on:** March 14, 2005, 09:42:37 pm »

Ummm... I have tried removing the magnet to acept CDN 25c and the quarter just goes through and comes out the reject chute.

APFelon · « **Reply #26 on:** March 15, 2005, 01:36:38 am »

Then you did it wrong. Believe me, I have removed literally HUNDREDS of magnets from coin mechs and they all worked fine after the removal. The magnets do nothing more than catch quarter sized slugs and Canadian money. It has no bearing on the adjustment whatsoever.

If for whatever reason the mech didn't work after you removed the magnet, give the width adjustment screw a slight counterclockwise turn and you should be in like flint. If not, I don't know what to tell you. You have the world's oddest coin mech in existence and it belongs in a museum next to the slice of toast with the Virgin Mary head burned into it and the Chicken McNugget that bears a striking resemblence to a celebrity, I guess.

If you'd like, I can remove the magnets from two of my mechs and send them to you. Just send me 5$ US and the old mechs that no longer work. I'll even make sure they work with Canadian quarters at no extra fee.

APf

RayB · « **Reply #27 on:** March 15, 2005, 10:03:40 am »

I was not aware of an adjustment screw! I'll give that a try! Thanks!

DreamWeb · « **Reply #28 on:** March 28, 2005, 12:13:14 am »

Hey guys.

I received my plastic Coin Controls mechs in the mail.. and a couple of people said that it would be obvious how to install them. But, of course, it's not obvious. At least, not to me.

Can anyone offer up some suggestions? Or point to a tutorial?

Thanks guys.

D.

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Update - I've managed to get them in there.. but, they don't really fit all that well. I suspect that maybe they aren't coin control mechs that I received after all. I'll need to investigate this more. But.. anyhow.. It seems to work (none of the electronics are hooked up yet).. A penny goes to the reject door.. and a quarter trips the wire at the bottom of the mechs.

What I'm wondering now is.. how does this actually activate a switch down there? A quarter seems to knock a spring down to make contact with some metal that's attached to a microswitch... but... is that all it takes? I recevied these doors from the person I bought the cab from.. I have no idea if the switches were ever actually hooked up and were working.

Anyhow.. I ramble.

d.

paigeoliver · « **Reply #29 on:** March 28, 2005, 01:03:01 am »

That is all it takes, the thing the quarter knocks down is just a microswitch, similar to the ones on your buttons and it gets hooked up the same way.

DreamWeb · « **Reply #30 on:** March 28, 2005, 01:30:00 am »

So.. the quarter just hits the switch which which causes the switch to touch some metal on the microswitch?

d.

Chris · « **Reply #31 on:** March 28, 2005, 08:31:25 am »

The microswitch has a long thing metal wire lever that should pass under the coin mech. As a quarter falls through, it trips this wire and sets off the switch. This type of microswitch is not going to have a regular plunger like you're used to.

--Chris

RayB · « **Reply #32 on:** March 28, 2005, 06:44:51 pm »

Just flip the wire down with your finger and you'll hear/feel the click and it will all make sense to you. The wire doesn't "touch metal", it just clicks the internal switch, like a joystick switch or button switch.

DreamWeb · « **Reply #33 on:** March 28, 2005, 10:34:42 pm »

I see it now! And it works, I think. I don't have it hooked up to the Keywiz yet.. but, it looks like it should be working. Thanks guys!

I should also add that the sound of a quarter going through coin mechs is one heck of a satisfying sound. All kinds of nostalgia attached to that for me.

d.


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