Thanks Leedsfan. After my sour experience with Hanaho I decided to go ahead and build a cab, so all was not in vain! BTW I tried a usb adaptor with the HotRod SE, didn't work. So maybe the prudent thing to do for $100 would be to buy an I-pac or Keywiz, sticks, buttons etc. and just build a CP, its really not that hard, if I can do it anyone can! Good Luck, ARCADIAC!