To whom this may concern...you

[stellarola]

Hey everyone, I'm about to rant about something that has been bothering the hell out of me. Whats up with some of you guys making these huge arcade cabinets and putting these tiny monitors in them!! It's like I see these nice, gorgeous, 4 player cabs with 17'' inch screens. Go get some balls and get a 25'' inch arcade monitor or tv to put in those things!

[TheGatesofBill]

I don't know if you noticed this, but a 25" screen costs a bit of money.

[stellarola]

I'm not a rich guy and I can afford one. Just take your time and save up, its simple math.

[TheGatesofBill]

Money can be spent on things other than arcade machines.

[subzero23]

I don't know if you noticed this, but a 25" screen costs a bit of money.

No,no they're not
they're like 180 at walmart for a 27"
It really is just pitiful
people with bezels that are a foot long each side, it's just disgusting
make your cabinet and then put a baby TV in there...
it's so so so ugly

[subzero23]

I don't know if you noticed this, but a 25" screen costs a bit of money.

Then why do it at all?
Just make a joystick and play in front of the pc

[stellarola]

Werd.

[Tritoch84]

I agree! This has ALWAYS bothered me! And some are REALLY nice cabs with these dinky little screens in there! I mean, if you know that your cabinet is going  to have this little bitty monitor in it, then build your cab to fit it right at least!

a 20inch TV with S-Vid can be had at wal-mart for around 120 bucks. and if you live near texas, you can get a 20inch APEX with COMPONENT and S-Vid inputs for around 120! You can also order it online, it's a online buy only, or you can have it shipped to a wal mart in dallas/fort worth for free!

I mean, if you like it, thats all well and good, but no teeny tiny screen for me.

[KrawDaddy]

Standard whining.    The point is that people contribute what they can to this hobby in the terms of money and effort.  Who started this anyway?  The more people that are involved in someway (even those with a small monitor) the better off we are as a group.  Cant we all get along.  Maybe we could talk about something that contributes instead of this drivel.

Kraw

[spongebue]

I have a 19 or 20" monitor that fits perfectly in mine.  It's a bit blurry, but you can only really tell when you have small text.  If you know where to look, it's not too hard.  For example, my dad got it from where I work (my boss is a neighbor and good friend) and my boss wouldn't take any money for it.  My dad wanted to do something for it, so he helped him clean his garage.  Anyway, if you search around and have some luck you may be able to find something big enough for a cab withour paying a lot.

[Tritoch84]

I don't know what the forums policy is on mentioning other sites, but look at some of these babys........


http://www.arcadeathome.com/pics.phtml


*screams like a girl at the horror*



And I didn't think that this was like, the real deal. I think most of these projects with little screens were temp fixes when they ran out of money spending it on making the cab, and are planing on upgrading it when they get the free money.

[saint]

Couldn't disagree with you guys more.

25" arcade/SVGA monitors are expensive. If you're planning to go the TV route, fine, but not everyone wants to go that route for a variety of reasons.

If I were building a cabinet on a limited budget, the monitor is exactly what I'd skimp on, because it's one of the easiest things to upgrade later. I'd build my cabinet sized to fit the monitor I eventually want, and make do with whatever I could afford for now. A 25" sized cabinet with a 19" sized monitor makes good sense if your money is tight.

You build a cabinet with the monitor you have, not the monitor you wish you had.

--- saint

[Tritoch84]

Standard whining.    The point is that people contribute what they can to this hobby in the terms of money and effort.  Who started this anyway?  The more people that are involved in someway (even those with a small monitor) the better off we are as a group.  Cant we all get along.  Maybe we could talk about something that contributes instead of this drivel.

Kraw

Did someone wakeup on the wrong side of the bed this morning? We can't make a thread about how *some* of us find those little monitors kinda funny looking? Just relax, it's not a "YOU SMALL MONTIOR FREAKS NEED TO GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM" thread! It's light hearted, keep it that way!

[subzero23]

I don't know what the forums policy is on mentioning other sites, but look at some of these babys........


http://www.arcadeathome.com/pics.phtml


*screams like a girl at the horror*



And I didn't think that this was like, the real deal. I think most of these projects with little screens were temp fixes when they ran out of money spending it on making the cab, and are planing on upgrading it when they get the free money.

hehthat is the worst "arcade" cab i've ever seen

[subzero23]

Couldn't disagree with you guys more.

25" arcade/SVGA monitors are expensive. If you're planning to go the TV route, fine, but not everyone wants to go that route for a variety of reasons.

If I were building a cabinet on a limited budget, the monitor is exactly what I'd skimp on, because it's one of the easiest things to upgrade later. I'd build my cabinet sized to fit the monitor I eventually want, and make do with whatever I could afford for now. A 25" sized cabinet with a 19" sized monitor makes good sense if your money is tight.

You build a cabinet with the monitor you have, not the monitor you wish you had.

--- saint

a 19" monitor isn't that bad though

I just dont see why people dont use a TV

[Tritoch84]

Couldn't disagree with you guys more.

25" arcade/SVGA monitors are expensive. If you're planning to go the TV route, fine, but not everyone wants to go that route for a variety of reasons.

If I were building a cabinet on a limited budget, the monitor is exactly what I'd skimp on, because it's one of the easiest things to upgrade later. I'd build my cabinet sized to fit the monitor I eventually want, and make do with whatever I could afford for now. A 25" sized cabinet with a 19" sized monitor makes good sense if your money is tight.

You build a cabinet with the monitor you have, not the monitor you wish you had.

--- saint

I agree with you! I'm going the TV route, but your right, the monitor is the best thing to slack on to save money, and it's the one part thats easy to upgrade later.

[Tritoch84]

Couldn't disagree with you guys more.

25" arcade/SVGA monitors are expensive. If you're planning to go the TV route, fine, but not everyone wants to go that route for a variety of reasons.

If I were building a cabinet on a limited budget, the monitor is exactly what I'd skimp on, because it's one of the easiest things to upgrade later. I'd build my cabinet sized to fit the monitor I eventually want, and make do with whatever I could afford for now. A 25" sized cabinet with a 19" sized monitor makes good sense if your money is tight.

You build a cabinet with the monitor you have, not the monitor you wish you had.

--- saint

a 19" monitor isn't that bad though

I just dont see why people use a TV

You mean, "I just don't see why people DON'T use a TV"....(I think)

TV's have known to cause certian people strained eyes, a tv isn't the same as an arcade monitor, but my eyes aren't that picky.

I think a TV is a little brighter then the normal arcade monitor?

In any case, some people would rather have a true arcade monitor, and I can understand that.

[stellarola]

The thing is...people build cabs that are worthy of a 33 inch monitor, but only has a 19 inch. I agree with that one dude, build the cab to fit the specs. Look at this cab...Dude wtf??

[DrewKaree]

I'm not a rich guy and I can afford one. Just take your time and save up, its simple math. 

Also check eBay, they always have arcade monitors for cheap.

Tritoch, when someone says you need to get some balls and put a certain size monitor in there, it's not light-hearted, he's being an arse.

There's a thing called "life" that sometimes gets in the way of things like buying a 25" monitor, and to  say "i'm not rich and I can afford one" is simply childish idiocy.  It'd be like saying "I'm not rich, but I can afford a speed boat" and that if you only have a canoe, you've "got no balls".

You're standing on your head, it seems, because it sounds like you're talking out of your arse.

[stellarola]

I highly suggest an arcade monitor over a TV any day. I was just proving a point that there are other cheap alternatives than a 13'' inch pc monitor.

[subzero23]

The thing is...people build cabs that are worthy of a 33 inch monitor, but only has a 19 inch. I agree with that one dude, build the cab to fit the specs. Look at this cab...Dude wtf??

yeah that is kinda sick. Make a MINIcab like one of those cute tabletops, at least people will find it aesthetically pleasing.

And if people want to make an arcade cabinet, dont skimp on a freakin TV I mean cmon TVs are cheap

there are a ton of cabs on that "post your cabinet" thread that have little little little monitors..ew

[subzero23]

I highly suggest an arcade monitor over a TV any day. I was just proving a point that there are other cheap alternatives than a 13'' inch pc monitor.

Well if people are tight on money TVs are fine.. no one's gonna be able to really tell the difference.

[pointdablame]

I highly suggest an arcade monitor over a TV any day. I was just proving a point that there are other cheap alternatives than a 13'' inch pc monitor.

I don't know man... I'd much rather have my machine up and running and playing games on it then waiting till I had the cash for a bigger monitor.  I'm lucky enough to have a large enough monitor for my machine, but if all I had was say a 15" PC monitor, I'm positive I'd use it so I could be playing my games... not worrying about monitor size

[subzero23]

You mean, "I just don't see why people DON'T use a TV"....(I think)

TV's have known to cause certian people strained eyes, a tv isn't the same as an arcade monitor, but my eyes aren't that picky.

I think a TV is a little brighter then the normal arcade monitor?

In any case, some people would rather have a true arcade monitor, and I can understand that.

Right well a TV is better than a 9" computer monitor in there lol

[pointdablame]

I highly suggest an arcade monitor over a TV any day. I was just proving a point that there are other cheap alternatives than a 13'' inch pc monitor.

Well if people are tight on money TVs are fine.. no one's gonna be able to really tell the difference.

 

Yes you can

[stellarola]

Drew...baby..listen. I'm not saying to live paycheck to paycheck, save your money. I just think its ridiculous that people build these cabs and put small monitors in there. I take it the ones who are complaining on this topic are the ones with small monitors in their over-sized cabs. . Also have any of you upgraded your cabs to a larger monitor? Everyone is saying I will, I will, but does anyone ever do it?

[DrewKaree]

You build a cabinet with the monitor you have, not the monitor you wish you had.

--- saint

You're a closet cabinet member, aren't you?  I KNEW St Clair was a pseudonym! 

[Tritoch84]

I'm not a rich guy and I can afford one. Just take your time and save up, its simple math. 

Also check eBay, they always have arcade monitors for cheap.

Tritoch, when someone says you need to get some balls and put a certain size monitor in there, it's not light-hearted, he's being an arse.

There's a thing called "life" that sometimes gets in the way of things like buying a 25" monitor, and to  say "i'm not rich and I can afford one" is simply childish idiocy.  It'd be like saying "I'm not rich, but I can afford a speed boat" and that if you only have a canoe, you've "got no balls".

You're standing on your head, it seems, because it sounds like you're talking out of your arse.

Uh, I'm pretty sure the "get some balls and put a bigger monitor" thing was a joke,,,notice the smiley......

I'm pretty sure he's just talking about the horrible looking ones, like the pictures linked in this thread.

Man, I don't understand the hate in this thread. He's not attacking anyone, he's making a general observation. I mean, face it, SOME of these cabs look kinda silly! Like I said before, he's not spewing hatered for small monitors, he was just wondering if he was the only one that noticed it.

Wow, people, it's new years, and you guys are so cranky!

Must be the all the hangovers!

[subzero23]

I highly suggest an arcade monitor over a TV any day. I was just proving a point that there are other cheap alternatives than a 13'' inch pc monitor.

Well if people are tight on money TVs are fine.. no one's gonna be able to really tell the difference.

 

Yes you can

Not really.. Both TVs and Arcade monitors kinda suck...

[stellarola]

I like that quote by saint. 

[pointdablame]

I highly suggest an arcade monitor over a TV any day. I was just proving a point that there are other cheap alternatives than a 13'' inch pc monitor.

Well if people are tight on money TVs are fine.. no one's gonna be able to really tell the difference.

 

Yes you can

Not really.. Both TVs and Arcade monitors kinda suck...

Arcade monitors suck.... for an arcade machine???  Wow, you continue to amaze me.

[stellarola]

Heh, I personally like arcade monitors in arcade machines myself. 

[DrewKaree]

The more you reply, the more your answer backpedals or attempts to change the words you put to screen. 

Either "get some balls" to define your position clearly and stick to it, or get yourself a Shutupsicle^TM. 

Now YOU sound like the person making excuses.

I've got better things to worry about than if others think I've made a mistake in my choice of ANYTHING in my cab, and it's apparent explaining the vagaries of life here will be like clapping with one hand. 

[KrawDaddy]

well you guys have persuaded my to updrade to that 33!

[subzero23]

Heh, I personally like arcade monitors in arcade machines myself.

[subzero23]

Arcade monitors suck.... for an arcade machine???

[Tritoch84]

Jeez Drew, I hate to say this, but your acting childish! You seem pretty defensive, and you know that "get some balls" comment was a joke, lightin' up! It's not an evil thread!

He's not saying people with little screen in their cabs are idiots, morons, or losers! My god!

What is WRONG with you people today?

[dave 1945]

but is it ok to have a small monitor while you save up for a biger one?

[subzero23]

Jeez Drew, I hate to say this, but your acting childish! You seem pretty defensive, and you know that "get some balls" comment was a joke, lightin' up! It's not an evil thread!

He's not saying people with little screen in their cabs are idiots, morons, or losers! My god!

What is WRONG with you people today?

Maybe OP just doesn't want to see examples posted with lil monitors.. it's kinda like taking a snapshot of your PC and sending it in.
I'll stand by the OP's original comments though

[saint]

Well personally I did find this thread tacky.

Not tacky:

"I don't understand why people put undersized monitors in arcade cabinets. Why not use a larger TV or something?"

Tacky:

"People are stupid for putting small monitors in arcade cabinets that are too big for them. WTF is wrong with them? Here, look at this picture of a cabinet that someone on this forum probably spent days/weeks building and is proud of. Let's publically make fun of them! Ha, they're stoopid and have small monitors!"

...

Never did approve of singling someone out unprovoked to belittle their work. Anyone who has built a cabinet or desktop set is part of this community doing their personal best. Picking someone out individually to belittle is just mean. I'm tired of mean spirited people.

--- saint

[subzero23]

but is it ok to have a small monitor while you save up for a biger one?

Yeah lol just don't post pics of it yet
Why not get the parts and then build it? meanwhile play the games on your PC

I'd hate to unveil the arcade i'm making to friends and family and people see a puny-screen. It's like unveiling a Corvette with a 4 cylinder in it

[saint]

HA! I'll never tell.

By the way, your taxes last year were under-reported, and we need to speak about some of the books you've checked out of the library . . . Expect the men at your door shortly.

--- saint

You build a cabinet with the monitor you have, not the monitor you wish you had.

--- saint

You're a closet cabinet member, aren't you?  I KNEW St Clair was a pseudonym! 

[Tritoch84]

He said nothing like that Saint.

By your definition this thread is not tacky. No one said anyone was stupid,

I can't belive the older forum members are acting so silly about this. They have made this thread unbearable to read now.

How silly.

I'm out of this thread, it's just gotten to childish for me.

[pointdablame]

He said nothing like that Saint.

By your definition this thread is not tacky. No one said anyone was stupid,

I can't belive the older forum members are acting so silly about this. They have made this thread unbearable to read now.

How silly.

I'm out of this thread, it's just gotten to childish for me.

How is pointing out a specific cab, and then a whole thread of cabs saying that they don't understand why those people have small monitors.... that is calling them out.

A general comment is one thing, bringing it to the point of "hey, look here" is just like saying "this guy is dumb cuz his monitor isn't as big as I THINK it should be"

[Nailz]

So someone spent a lot of time on a cabinet and they don't have a 27" monitor packed into so it sucks?

I think you guys that are saying cabs with small monitors look stupid should start donating some money to those who don't have a moniitor large enough.

[subzero23]

He said nothing like that Saint.

By your definition this thread is not tacky. No one said anyone was stupid,

I can't belive the older forum members are acting so silly about this. They have made this thread unbearable to read now.

How silly.

I'm out of this thread, it's just gotten to childish for me.

How is pointing out a specific cab, and then a whole thread of cabs saying that they don't understand why those people have small monitors.... that is calling them out.

A general comment is one thing, bringing it to the point of "hey, look here" is just like saying "this guy is dumb cuz his monitor isn't as big as I THINK it should be"

well personally i dont blame the guy for doing it
i feel like doing it too, there's even a pic with one guy standing right next to his cab with teeeny monitor (yet also with his beautiful mini-cab)

[subzero23]

So someone spent a lot of time on a cabinet and they don't have a 27" monitor packed into so it sucks?

Well pretty much, to be honest. Does this include you? I'd assume for someone to be defensive about it, this is why. I just think that as an onlooker I have reason to have this opinion.. they post the pic and my only role is to judge it's aesthetics

I think you guys that are saying cabs with small monitors look stupid should start donating some money to those who don't have a moniitor large enough.

[pointdablame]

He said nothing like that Saint.

By your definition this thread is not tacky. No one said anyone was stupid,

I can't belive the older forum members are acting so silly about this. They have made this thread unbearable to read now.

How silly.

I'm out of this thread, it's just gotten to childish for me.

How is pointing out a specific cab, and then a whole thread of cabs saying that they don't understand why those people have small monitors.... that is calling them out.

A general comment is one thing, bringing it to the point of "hey, look here" is just like saying "this guy is dumb cuz his monitor isn't as big as I THINK it should be"

well personally i dont blame the guy for doing it
i feel like doing it too, there's even a pic with one guy standing right next to his cab with teeeny monitor (yet also with his beautiful mini-cab)

so what? why does it bother you so much?  The people defending this "gotta have big monitors" argument don't seem to understand you are calling out and insulting people on the board.

You're making fun of people who put a lot of effort into these things, then call some of us jerks for trying to defend people for working with what they have and using what they can afford.


I have 3 15" PC monitors in my basement... if I was buillding a cab... why would I go buy a new TV?  or even a used one?? I HAVE monitors already... ever think that's the case with some of these?

[saint]

Steller's first post wasn't bad. Notice I replied to it in the spirit of the thread.

The thread then degenerated to:

"It really is just pitiful
people with bezels that are a foot long each side, it's just disgusting
make your cabinet and then put a baby TV in there...
it's so so so ugly"

which is clearly insulting.

Your initial posts were fine as well. Then however, you posted a picture of a person's cab, captioned: "*screams like a girl at the horror*" -- how do you think the owner of that cab feels about that? Now, benefit of the doubt, I don't think you meant to belittle anyone per se, though I think that was the end result. Even up to that point you'll notice I didn't post my opinion of the thread, just rebutted the perspective with my own. You even posted a plea to keep the thread light hearted, which I appreciated.

Unfortunately, SubZero fed off your posted picture, and responded with: "hehthat is the worst "arcade" cab i've ever seen" -- now if that isn't just plain mean I'm afraid I don't know what is.

Note to SubZero: In that same thread, you pointed out you thought TV's were fine and you didn't think arcade monitors were any better than TV's. Those are fine points to bring up and you didn't slam or belittle anyone in them. Just so you know I saw both sides of your coin there, and don't think you're always particularly evil.  I'm going to pick on a few other things you said, but you also said some things that were decently said and forwarded the conversation on - duely noted.

A bit more discussion ensued that was civil, then Steller posted a picture of a cabinet with this to say: "Look at this cab...Dude wtf??" and the picture title is "poop.jpg" - if that isn't mean then I'm afraid I just don't know what is.

Then SubZero gave a bit of a slap to the people who were brave enough to post their cabinets with this statement: "there are a ton of cabs on that "post your cabinet" thread that have little little little monitors..ew" ... Didn't necessarily single out any one person, but clearly he has a poor opinion of any cabinet that has a small monitor in that thread. I'm not sure what value that brought to this thread.

Your later point: "Man, I don't understand the hate in this thread. He's not attacking anyone, he's making a general observation." missed the point that there were people specifically singled out as noted above. What could have been a possibly interesting thread unfortunately, whether intended or not, ended up attacking some people who didn't ask for it nor did they deserve it.

By the way Sub, when you responded to Drew with: "you know that makes it sound like I say a lot of stupid things that amaze you? Gee thanks." I applauded. You took a direct challenge to your posting and responded to it without attacking, I was very happy to see that.

Guess everyone has a different opinion of what good netiquette is, but if you don't see why some people would be offended by the tone this thread took maybe you could re-read it with what I've said here in mind.

(By the way, this post isn't an attack on any one individual in the thread nor does it represent my overall opinion of anyone in the thread. More of a dissection of the thread to give my opinion on why potentially good threads go bad)

Cheers!

--- saint

He said nothing like that Saint.

By your definition this thread is not tacky. No one said anyone was stupid,

I can't belive the older forum members are acting so silly about this. They have made this thread unbearable to read now.

How silly.

I'm out of this thread, it's just gotten to childish for me.

[subzero23]

so what? why does it bother you so much?

[pointdablame]

So someone spent a lot of time on a cabinet and they don't have a 27" monitor packed into so it sucks?

Well pretty much, to be honest. Does this include you? I'd assume for someone to be defensive about it, this is why. I just think that as an onlooker I have reason to have this opinion.. they post the pic and my only role is to judge it's aesthetics

I think you guys that are saying cabs with small monitors look stupid should start donating some money to those who don't have a moniitor large enough.  Then you can rip on them for not coming to you for the $$$ to get a decent monitor.  They can then just be stupid and not broke....

No that's not the solution and it's not their fault.

Also, to those ripping on cabs and the monitors, please post pics of what you have done in this thread, I would love to see them.

And what exactly are you going to say? To those with nice cabs and with nice big monitors? To those with nice monitors but a cabinet or control panel you dont like? See, I'm sure you have your own opinions which you have a right to, and to express

The inital post was tacky, defending it is tacky, I have to agree with Saint.

You are such an ass it is amazing.  yeah pretty much they suck.... ya ever hear of "if you dont have anything nice to say...."  If you think their cab isn't so great, then give them consturctive criticism.  Say "it might look nicer with a bigger monitor" not "you cab is crap cuz you dont have a 32034" TV LOLOLO you suck, i rule"  You can criticize aesthetics, but you don't have to be a ---meecrob--- while you do it.

And as for what would you say to pics..... where are pics of your cab?  You make it seem like ANY cab with a big monitor is AUTOMATICALLY awesome.... sorry... no.  In fact, a lot of arcade games just aren't as much fun on large monitors.  Just because you can get a 50" TV doesnt mean it should be in your cab.

There are plenty of cabs with large screens that aren't very nice aesthetic wise... the monitor does not make the cab.

Your argument is juvenile... just like all your other posts.

[subzero23]

Steller's first post wasn't bad. Notice I replied to it in the spirit of the thread.

The thread then degenerated to:

"It really is just pitiful
people with bezels that are a foot long each side, it's just disgusting
make your cabinet and then put a baby TV in there...
it's so so so ugly"

which is clearly insulting.

Your initial posts were fine as well. Then however, you posted a picture of a person's cab, captioned: "*screams like a girl at the horror*" -- how do you think the owner of that cab feels about that? Now, benefit of the doubt, I don't think you meant to belittle anyone per se, though I think that was the end result. Even up to that point you'll notice I didn't post my opinion of the thread, just rebutted the perspective with my own. You even posted a plea to keep the thread light hearted, which I appreciated.

Unfortunately, SubZero fed off your posted picture, and responded with: "hehthat is the worst "arcade" cab i've ever seen" -- now if that isn't just plain mean I'm afraid I don't know what is.

Note to SubZero: In that same thread, you pointed out you thought TV's were fine and you didn't think arcade monitors were any better than TV's. Those are fine points to bring up and you didn't slam or belittle anyone in them. Just so you know I saw both sides of your coin there, and don't think you're always particularly evil.

[subzero23]

You are such an ass it is amazing.

[pointdablame]

so what? why does it bother you so much?  The people defending this "gotta have big monitors" argument don't seem to understand you are calling out and insulting people on the board.

Cuz they're ugly to be honest. They don't bother me so much, they're just ugly that's all. I'm not insulting anyone.

You're making fun of people who put a lot of effort into these things, then call some of us jerks for trying to defend people for working with what they have and using what they can afford.

I didn't call anyone a jerk? I just don't think they should do it. It's my opinion, why should they care? I'm not openly making fun of them but I'm not against it

I have 3 15" PC monitors in my basement... if I was buillding a cab... why would I go buy a new TV?  or even a used one?? I HAVE monitors already... ever think that's the case with some of these?

Is it really that hard to figure out?

opinions are one thing.. insulting people is another entirely. You are of course entitled to your opinion.. everyone is.  You don't have to shove it down everyone's throat however or express it so condescendingly.

no, you didn't say "jerK" but the implication is there.  It's pretty clear you don't think it should be done which is fine.  However, it's also clear that you think you are better than these people.

as for "Is it really that hard to figure out?"  I don't even know how to respond to that... you think a person with parts already... SHOULD buy a new tv... even if it means it would take longer to get the cab up and running?  If I were in this position... I should just let the monitors I have gather dust?  A bit absurd no?

[subzero23]

so what? why does it bother you so much?

[saint]

Opinions without tact or common courtesy will inevitably leave you an outcast of whatever social group you're stating them in. Having an opinion is fine. But flatly stating your opinions without regard to how you present them and how they are received is not a virtue or something to be proud of. Understanding this is what makes the difference between someone who is interesting (regardless of whether or not you agree with their opinion) and someone who is just simply loud and boorish.

As a side note, failing to understand this will likely leave you going through life with people perpetually mad at you and/or unwilling to socialize with you. Taking it as a point of pride that "I told it like it is and their reaction is their problem" is a poor substitue for a lonely, isolated life and one I wouldn't wish on anyone.

Tact isn't a weakness. You can make your points and state your opinion without losing sight of tact and other people's feelings.

--- saint

Well I'm honestly not trying to attack anyone either. I just have strong opinions against it. and yeah i'll openly call them ugly and pitiful cuz it's my opinion and I hope they know I strongly believe they shouldnt care, especially if they're happy with it.
it's all about opinions really

[KrawDaddy]

Is it all over Mommy?  There scaring me.

[subzero23]

Opinions without tact or common courtesy will inevitably leave you an outcast of whatever social group you're stating them in. Having an opinion is fine. But flatly stating your opinions without regard to how you present them and how they are received is not a virtue or something to be proud of. Understanding this is what makes the difference between someone who is interesting (regardless of whether or not you agree with their opinion) and someone who is just simply loud and boorish.

As a side note, failing to understand this will likely leave you going through life with people perpetually mad at you and/or unwilling to socialize with you. Taking it as a point of pride that "I told it like it is and their reaction is their problem" is a poor substitue for a lonely, isolated life and one I wouldn't wish on anyone.

Tact isn't a weakness. You can make your points and state your opinion without losing sight of tact and other people's feelings.

--- saint

Yeah but this is the internet.. I don't need tact really
Some people assume I act the same way in real life, and maybe some people do that, but I sure as heck don't.

[pointdablame]

I'm NOT an ass. They're just my opinions. I didn't pick them arbitrarily. The way you just misquoted me made me look like i was being a ---meecrob--- when doing it. I didn't say it like that and you know it. I said they're ugly, and in a way disgusting to look at, but I have the same opinion of a ford mustang.. they're material objects.

You still miss my point entirely... have your opinons... I have mine.  But why go about them so meanly?  Obviously you've never heard of satire or a bit of fun since obviously my quote was not a direct quote of yours.... it was simply a characterization of how your argument seems to some people in this thread.

Who ever said just cuz it has a big tube in it it's awesome? There's a TON of other things on cabinets I hate aesthetically. Someone simply brought up a very important aspect of an arcade cabinet.

what?  YOU said it had to have a big monitor to be awesome... that's your EXACT argument.  Big screen = good, small = ugly, not good.  You can't backpedal that far buddy....



And THAT's not juvenile? Who said it was an argument.. They're my opinions. All these personal attacks on me pointdablame are getting a little cliche. If YOU don't have anything nice to say...

First... these aren't personal attacks. they are my opinions.  I personally feel that you are being quite mean in your actions and you are very arrogant, and quite frankly... an ass.  It's my perogative to feel this way, just as it's yours to have your opinions.  However, I try to keep my criticisms consturctive except for cases like yours when you are so overly nasty and rude to people that I feel you deserve a bit of it back.  I am not juvenile... I can assure you that.  It simply amazes me that you make these statements.... and say such harsh things... and don't listen to people here... and fall back on a 5 year old's argument of "I feel that way, thats all there is, wah wah"

ANd for the record... I know that's not a direct quote of yours... no need to say I'm misquoting you

[Nailz]

Subzero, I am a member of this forum, so any thread on here can concern me if I like....

My point is, people here come for support, not for your rude opinion.

[saint]

The Internet is the media of communication. It doesn't make it any different than having a conversation with someone face to face, over the phone, by radio, by letter, closed circuit tv, smoke signals, or telepathy.

At any rate, these last few messages are the clear answer to your question of why everyone was / is hostile towards you.

--- saint

Opinions without tact or common courtesy will inevitably leave you an outcast of whatever social group you're stating them in. Having an opinion is fine. But flatly stating your opinions without regard to how you present them and how they are received is not a virtue or something to be proud of. Understanding this is what makes the difference between someone who is interesting (regardless of whether or not you agree with their opinion) and someone who is just simply loud and boorish.

As a side note, failing to understand this will likely leave you going through life with people perpetually mad at you and/or unwilling to socialize with you. Taking it as a point of pride that "I told it like it is and their reaction is their problem" is a poor substitue for a lonely, isolated life and one I wouldn't wish on anyone.

Tact isn't a weakness. You can make your points and state your opinion without losing sight of tact and other people's feelings.

--- saint

Yeah but this is the internet.. I don't need tact really
Some people assume I act the same way in real life, and maybe some people do that, but I sure as heck don't.

[pointdablame]

Why do you enjoy being such a <<<censored by saint>>> on the internet... because "its only the internet"

To most of us here, this is a nice community where we like to share thoughts, ideas, etc... not be attacked by idiots.

Is it because you have anonymity and get some kick out of it?  Were you picked on as a child? Not held by your mother? I mean seriously.... grow up.

And yes, I'm resorting to name calling, cuz frankly... you deserve it.  You clearly cannot have an intellectual conversation, so I'll resort to my 8th grade tactics that I thought I would have left behind years ago... but it seems to be the only way to get through to you.

[saint]

Oh, and I just have to add this in:

Whether or not you feel it's necessary to have tact on the Internet versus real life is besides the point. This is my home, and I have asked for basically one simple rule to be followed:

"Rules?  We don't need no steeenkin rules!  Well, maybe one.  Be nice to each other.  We're serious about this one.  Disagree, debate, argue at will - but please be respectful.  Messages that are antagonistic or contain profanity will likely be deleted, and repeat offenders banned from posting. "

----

One would hope that you would realize the sense of such a rule, but whether or not you do is beside the point. There are other forums that don't require such behavior if the constraints on this one aren't to someone's liking.

Cheers!

--- saint

[subzero23]

Subzero, I am a member of this forum, so any thread on here can concern me if I like....

My point is, people here come for support, not for your rude opinion.

[subzero23]

Oh, and I just have to add this in:

Whether or not you feel it's necessary to have tact on the Internet versus real life is besides the point. This is my home, and I have asked for basically one simple rule to be followed:

"Rules?

[pointdablame]

Oh, and I just have to add this in:

Whether or not you feel it's necessary to have tact on the Internet versus real life is besides the point. This is my home, and I have asked for basically one simple rule to be followed:

"Rules?  We don't need no steeenkin rules!  Well, maybe one.  Be nice to each other.  We're serious about this one.  Disagree, debate, argue at will - but please be respectful.  Messages that are antagonistic or contain profanity will likely be deleted, and repeat offenders banned from posting. "

----

One would hope that you would realize the sense of such a rule, but whether or not you do is beside the point. There are other forums that don't require such behavior if the constraints on this one aren't to someone's liking.

Cheers!

--- saint

Amen.  Actually, on that note I apologze to you Saint.... this guy just grates on me, and I should have a bit more self constraint.  I only wish I were a mod so I can ban him as all he seems to do is aggravate people in our community.

You have my apologies Saint... feel free to delete my posts.  I'm bowing out of this one.  I'll continue to read his contrived logic... but you have my word I won't post in this thread again.

[Bones]

I don't have a cab. <yet>

If I had built one and it only had a tiny monitor, I wouldn't be any less proud than the owner of a cab with an IMAX screen.

[subzero23]

Why do you enjoy being such a <<<censored by saint>>> on the internet... because "its only the internet"

To most of us here, this is a nice community where we like to share thoughts, ideas, etc... not be attacked by idiots.

You're the one doing all the attacking. I'm NOT an idiot. I'm not a p**** and I don't enjoy it.. I"m just sharing my opinions!

Is it because you have anonymity and get some kick out of it?

[subzero23]

Oh, and I just have to add this in:

Whether or not you feel it's necessary to have tact on the Internet versus real life is besides the point. This is my home, and I have asked for basically one simple rule to be followed:

"Rules?

[versapak]

You would ban me just so you don't have to "hear" my opinions. This is why the internet sharply contrasts with real life. I'm sorry but I think you would need the social-help if you can't get past someone having vastly different opinions than yourself.

If you came into my house with the lack of respect, and the poor attitude that you have consistantly been showing on these boards, then it would be more than a safe bet that you would be removed from my house.


These boards are not some public street, that just anyone can walk around spewing whatever comes out of their mouth. Which is what you seem to think it is. This is more like a club, and just like in the REAL world, you can be removed if you don't respect the rules.

[Nailz]

Subzero, I am a member of this forum, so any thread on here can concern me if I like....

My point is, people here come for support, not for your rude opinion.

[GGKoul]

You're 22???

[subzero23]

Subzero, I am a member of this forum, so any thread on here can concern me if I like....

My point is, people here come for support, not for your rude opinion.

[Nailz]

It's funny that you don't get it, maybe someone can begin a "ban subzero" poll.  Would you be curious as to the results?  I think I already know.....

[subzero23]

Get what? that people dont like me or want me here? I get that. What isn't to get?

If I'm not doing anything to get banned then honestly I don't care if others think i should or shouldnt be banned

[DarkKobold]

Wow, have to say, I'm impressed. I've never seen Saint reply to a thread this often. My hangover is way too large to get the general gist of what is going on.

My new years resolution? Start a thread that Saint replies to, like a hundred gillion times.

[saint]

Lay on McDuff, and damned be he who first cries, "Hold, enough!"

--- saint

Wow, have to say, I'm impressed. I've never seen Saint reply to a thread this often. My hangover is way too large to get the general gist of what is going on.

My new years resolution? Start a thread that Saint replies to, like a hundred gillion times.

[DarkKobold]

C'mon Saint, take it easy. You just flew a 747 over my head.

I haven't read MacBeth since 8th grade english. I was impressed with myself for simply figuring out where it came from without google. Not a clue what it means. Damn Shakespearean, or whoever Shakespeare stole it from, wisdom.

[Bones]

It's funny that you don't get it, maybe someone can begin a "ban subzero" poll.

[Nailz]

It's funny that you don't get it, maybe someone can begin a "ban subzero" poll.

[FractalWalk]

This is my home, and I have asked for basically one simple rule to be followed: . . .

[subzero23]

This is my home, and I have asked for basically one simple rule to be followed: . . .

[Daniel270]

Hey guys...

we "ALL" seem to have forgotten one minor detail..

No MAME cab is ever really finished right??  Maybe those of us using 13" monitors are only temporarily using them while we're saving up for that 52" plasma widescreen monitor 

[menace]

For all you guys whining about other guys cabs with small monitors--put up or shut up.  If you can do a better job than do so--putting someone down to make yourself look better is pathetic--even IF it is your sacred opinion that YOU feel you should spew to whoever walks by.  Until I see some sign of superior (or at least equal) workmanship, I consider you an armchair quarterback troll.

[stellarola]

For all you guys whining about other guys cabs with small monitors--put up or shut up. If you can do a better job than do so--putting someone down to make yourself look better is pathetic--even IF it is your sacred opinion that YOU feel you should spew to whoever walks by. Until I see some sign of superior (or at least equal) workmanship, I consider you an armchair quarterback troll.

This topic is getting a little outta control...   I just wanted people to talk it over, just wanted some activity on the forum. I dont have to "put up or shutup" anything. I just would like all the happy boys and girls out there to experience superior video with a larger arcade monitor. I hope everyone chills out a little bit....LETS GET YOGURT, IM BUYING     

[erikthecat]

man! you people are passionate!
i'd hate to get involved in a topic that was important:)

in my first project, i just used whatever was available at the time, and over time have upgraded to the size that was used in the original machine (so that must be OK?!)

if someone decides to build their own / convert cabinet they are probably so passionate about the subject, that screen size is the last thing on their mind. isn't the game play is the most important thing, followed by authentic control mechanism?

i always found massive screens hard to view at close range?

could viewing a massive screen further away be exactly the same as viewing a smaller screen closer up?!

i think i'll shut up now as i'm beginning to bore myself now:)

GaRy:)

[danny_galaga]

but is it ok to have a small monitor while you save up for a biger one?

Yeah lol just don't post pics of it yet
Why not get the parts and then build it? meanwhile play the games on your PC

I'd hate to unveil the arcade i'm making to friends and family and people see a puny-screen. It's like unveiling a Corvette with a 4 cylinder in it

except that in all likelyhood the first corvette unveiled would have been a mock up and had NO engine in it. and then the first production models had 6 cylinder engines...

[danny_galaga]

It's funny that you don't get it, maybe someone can begin a "ban subzero" poll.

[GGKoul]

For all you guys whining about other guys cabs with small monitors--put up or shut up.

[TOK]

I highly suggest an arcade monitor over a TV any day. I was just proving a point that there are other cheap alternatives than a 13'' inch pc monitor.

How about some pictures of your cab?

[stevejt]

Some people assume I act the same way in real life, and maybe some people do that, but I sure as heck don't. 

Why wouldn't you act in real life like you do here?  Please explain...

[subzero23]

Some people assume I act the same way in real life, and maybe some people do that, but I sure as heck don't.

[Kremmit]

I'm trying to do my best and saint knows that. But I'm sure as heck not afraid of him (nor would I think he'd want me to be). I see no forseeable real life consequences for my actions on the internet in any conceivable way I would behave on various internet forums.

It's not about being afraid of the big bad SiteOp.  It's about being respectful.   His house, his rules.  Do you understand that, or not?

It's not about real life consequences.  It's about being a good person.  Just because nothing's going to happen to you doesn't mean you should behave badly.  (You know you're behaving badly, or you wouldn't be thinking about whether or not there will be consequenses.)

The other times you were temporarily banned, that wasn't a punishment, wasn't intended to put a scare into you.  It was an attempt to send you a message, that your behaviour was not appreciated, and it would be appreciated if you would behave better when you came back.  Not beacause you're afraid of what might happen if you don't, just because it's nice. 

Be nice! 
 

[stevejt]

Quote
Some people assume I act the same way in real life, and maybe some people do that, but I sure as heck don't. 

Why wouldn't you act in real life like you do here?  Please explain...

Because real life is real life and this is the internet, it's self explanatory.
The internet is an extension of my thoughts. That's what I come here to do, express my thoughts. In real life I don't express every thought I have. There's a huge difference when you interact in real life then you do here. You all can deny it all you want but you know I'm right.

You mean you would be embarrased in real life to act like you do here?

I guess all of us here that try to be ourselves here are just weird....

[subzero23]

Quote
Some people assume I act the same way in real life, and maybe some people do that, but I sure as heck don't.

[stevejt]

I am just guessing from that, that you only start these "arguments" for their entertainment value...  (Though I admit that half the time you act like a 12 year old here, it does get entertaining when you get people heated up.)

[subzero23]

YOU KNOW I AM SICK AND TIRED of this "oh he must be 12 years old crap cuz you always act immature". What's so immature about simply having a different <<<censored by saint>>> opinion? GET OVER IT

[stevejt]

It's not your opinion, it's HOW you express it, LIKE A 12 YEAR OLD!

After you telling everyone over and over and over and over...and over to get over you having your own opinion about everything and every one...  You seem to not be able to get over everyone having an opinion about you. 

Some people think you act like a 12 year old, GET OVER IT....

(and have a nice day)

Steve

[subzero23]

It's not your opinion, it's HOW you express it, LIKE A 12 YEAR OLD!

After you telling everyone over and over and over and over...and over to get over you having your own opinion about everything and every one...

[RayB]

In other words folks, "in real life" he's probably a complete introvert, so he uses the perceived anonymity and safe distance the internet provides to over-compensate for his short-comings in "reality".

[subzero23]

In other words folks, "in real life" he's probably a complete introvert, so he uses the perceived anonymity and safe distance the internet provides to over-compensate for his short-comings in "reality".

[saint]

Banned, thread locked.