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Thanks guys... Yes I'm prefering marquee 4 too...  I tried a version with black t-molding and I think it looks best.  A few more tweaks to the design to come, but it's heading the right way I think.  I may try my kids dressed in Tron garb, and maybe a little more holographic looking.

Try some pink t-molding to match the pink accents in the marquee and side panels.  The entire thing screams 80s due to the design and there's nothing more 80s than bright pink. 

Full disclaimer: I love pink arcade cabs! :)

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - theme feedback please!
« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2018, 12:04:21 pm »
haha - maybe - I shall mock one up in sketchup to see what it looks like - I'll also have to check the availability of pink t-molding in the uk!  :cheers:

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - theme feedback please!
« Reply #82 on: November 14, 2018, 03:28:27 pm »
More buildstuff today.  Nothing too exciting, just dowelled up the floor and the monitor frame, and fit it all together.  That's the last bit of dowelling done.  I'm pretty much ready to start prepping the panels now for painting/artwork.

So more of the same for the floor, used the 3d printed guides to make dowel holes in the edges: -



Aaaand same on the side panels where the floor will attach...



The floor fits nice...



And underneath where the control panel meets the floor, it was nicely aligned, phew!...



Next, on to the monitor frame (with the glass overlay).  I made a jig out of wood with 2 dowel holes in each end to use for this.  It worked out nicely.  The top of the monitor glass fits into the small routed recess in the speaker panel, so I used this as an alignment guide, then I measured equal distance away from the front of the side panel on the other (bottom) end, clamped on my jig and drilled the holes into the side panel.  Then used the same jig to drill the holes on the actual monitor frame and pushed in the dowels.  Repeat for the other side and all done...



At the bottom end where the monitor frame meets the control panel, I had to rout away a bit of the CP's rear support block so that I could get the monitor glass in and out.  Basically to take the monitor glass out if I need to replace it, I would take off the CP top, unscrew the hex bolts under the glass retainer panel (see previous post), then the glass can drop down out of the routed recess at the top, and I can tilt it forward to take it out.



Obligatory money shot with it all put together.  The control panel fits snug up to the glass, about 0.5mm away, which is a relief!



Oh, I've also generated this sound sample that I want to play as soon as the cab is switched on (after some bzzzt sounds and flickering marquee for a couple of seconds...

Welcome to VIDEOTRON - boot up message

I am working on a circuit that will play the sounds from an arduino and flicker the marquee.  I should have more on that soon hopefully (using a rectifier, an op amp and an NPN transistor to control the light from the "bzzzt" sound waves).  It's complicated and I'm still trying to get my head around it!

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Love the boot-up message.  The custom artwork and attention to detail really bring it all together.  Your cabinet will be 100% unique, which is the reason I love this website so much.  I was reading through the r/cade forum over on reddit and it makes me want to cry.

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Thanks!  I really hope I can get the boot up sequence working how I'd like to.  New foray for me this electronics stuff, but I'm going to have to up my chops for my other rotating panels project so this is a good primer!

I had a quick look at the r/cade forum... first post I saw was about pandoras box... I've seen one of those in action and it also made me want to cry!

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Hi guys

I need some ideas on the grid lines.  The artist has done the following mockup sketches which I love....



The only thing is the grid lines are not aligned where the control panel, screen panel and speaker panel meet.

The panels are the same width so it's an easy change for the artist to get them to line up as a continuation, and also maybe the speaker panel to continue from the screen panel.

But then the marquee doesn't fit with those grid lines... and I'm not sure I want to change the marquee because I already think it looks great.

Any ideas welcome - should I just extend the lines across all 3 panels but leave the marquee as-is?

Or do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks!  :cheers:
« Last Edit: November 21, 2018, 04:23:32 am by Jimbo »

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - need opinions please!
« Reply #86 on: November 21, 2018, 10:37:32 am »
IMHO this doesn't work. You basically have 4 grids that differ in size, and the marquee and the speaker panel also differ in style. The speaker panel looks out of place because everything else is glowing, the speaker panel grid looks rather plain and also a bit too dark.
The bezel grid is a bit too much for me.

- Bezel: Starfield.

- Marquee: Make the grid wider, so that it goes from side to side.

- Speaker panel: Do a grid that is wide on top and narrows down to the bottom. The grid lines match the ones in the marquee, but in reverse. Give the grid the same background treatment that the marquee has, so that it looks like it wraps around the speaker panel and the marquee.



                  

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - need opinions please!
« Reply #87 on: November 21, 2018, 11:33:47 am »


I do like that better, pulls the eyes into the screen, rather than the screen looking like it is floating on top of the grid.

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - need opinions please!
« Reply #88 on: November 22, 2018, 04:05:03 am »
Thanks guys... you've given me food for thought.  :cheers:  And yamatetsu, I really appreciate you spending the time to tweak the image to show your ideas.

I agree the grid lines on the screen bezel is too much.  I'll have a chat with the artist and try and get something along these lines.  I like it!
« Last Edit: November 22, 2018, 04:06:51 am by Jimbo »

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - need opinions please!
« Reply #89 on: November 27, 2018, 03:31:42 am »
OK so some back and forth with the artist, and this is the result.  The white lines are the borders of the panels...



I've put some labels on some of the controls to be more in with the fictional "videotron" game, and put some C64 assembly code on there as homage to my favourite 8-bit machine :)

Also have made the control panel and speaker panel lines bleed slightly into the screen as a sort of hyperspace effect.

I'll be cutting this out and trying on a small model a bit later today but I think it works well and fits the theme much better - thanks for the suggestions.  :cheers:

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - need opinions please!
« Reply #90 on: December 04, 2018, 04:29:09 am »
Final artwork just sent off to gameongrafix for printing!  Hopefully they'll be here before christmas!  :)

Marquee...



Speaker panel...



Screen bezel...



Control Panel Overlay...



Left Side Panel for my boy...



Right Side Panel for my girl...




Wow this thing has evolved over time.  First "The Arcade Time Machine", then "BART"...  I guess sometimes you can't visual things up front, and of course you lot are pretty good at theme changing coercion ;)  I'm very happy how it turned out so thanks for all your feedback.  I still need to do the startup sound effect and neon-flashing marquee, so that's to come.  Also I'll be looking at doing a VIDEOTRON RetroPie theme in the next week or two.

I've nearly finished painting the back panel, will take pics soon.  I just have the side panels to prep for artwork and the storage box lid to paint now.

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - artwork finalised! :)
« Reply #91 on: December 04, 2018, 05:24:10 am »
You have done a good job of sticking to your vision, but incorporating suggestions and criticisms where you felt necessary.  :cheers:

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - artwork finalised! :)
« Reply #92 on: December 07, 2018, 03:40:46 am »
Thank you...

So I have a full SD card for my retropie setup.  It takes approx 40 seconds to load to the main emulationstation menu from powerup.

I have decided to show a loading screen in the format of an old computer loading screen like on C64 or Amiga... low res pixel art.  It will have a flashing border like it's loading, and some chip music.  This will be shown from boot until the main menu appears.

Here's a sketch of my idea that the artist has pretty much nailed imo :)

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - artwork finalised! :)
« Reply #93 on: December 07, 2018, 04:39:43 am »
Really love this project!

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - loading screen artwork :)
« Reply #94 on: December 07, 2018, 07:20:37 am »
Here's a sketch of my idea that the artist has pretty much nailed imo :)

I like that idea a lot, looks good.

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - loading screen artwork :)
« Reply #95 on: December 09, 2018, 03:12:35 am »
Cheers guys.  :cheers:

So here's the final retropie loading screen to fit my monitor of 1280 x 1024.
This will replace the splash screen video, and will fade in with music while emulationstation is loading up.

VERY happy how this turned out :D

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - loading screen artwork :)
« Reply #96 on: December 12, 2018, 05:36:50 pm »
Nice!   

Love the splash screen art.

(That's the weirdest antialiasing on the green T-mold lines, though!)

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - loading screen artwork :)
« Reply #97 on: December 12, 2018, 06:28:12 pm »
That artwork is very 80's.  I love it!

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - loading screen artwork :)
« Reply #98 on: December 15, 2018, 03:43:43 pm »
Cheers guys.  I've fixed the antialiasing on the t-molding :)

Video coming soon of the intro/loader!

In the mean time, I've finished painting the back panel, and the rest of the top marquee/storage box.  Side panels are sitting in the garage as we speak with first coat of high-build primer on them (prepping for artwork).

Here's how the back panel ended up.  Still to paint the screws and put power and pause decals on the buttons.  Apologies for the finger marks in the photos!





And with the door - hinges still to be screwed on...





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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - Back panel done!
« Reply #99 on: December 16, 2018, 10:06:18 am »
Nice paint work, looks really good.

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - Back panel done!
« Reply #100 on: December 17, 2018, 12:00:13 pm »
Sick paint job.  This is really coming together.   :cheers:

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - Back panel done!
« Reply #101 on: December 18, 2018, 04:38:48 am »
Thanks guys... it's certainly getting there.

I'm making boxes for the inside of the handles, and preparing the speakers/marquee stuff, along with figuring out how I'm going to mount the pi and powerstrip, etc.

Trouble is I can't put all this together until the artwork arrives and is applied (awaiting letter from courier to pay customs charges before they will attempt to deliver - ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- system here in the UK!). Going to be tight to get this done in time for Christmas :/

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - Back panel done!
« Reply #102 on: December 19, 2018, 05:40:18 am »
Finished writing the music for the the intro video and have put it all together :)





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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - INTRO/LOADING VIDEO done!
« Reply #103 on: December 20, 2018, 05:44:27 am »
Really cool. What software did you use to create something like that? I was thinking of doing the same some time ago, but didn't find any nice freeware to do some simple animations.

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - INTRO/LOADING VIDEO done!
« Reply #104 on: December 20, 2018, 05:49:21 am »
Cheers :)

I used Cubase to make the music, and I have a friend with an adobe cc subscription, so After Effects and Premier Pro was used for putting the video together.  I too tried a few free ones (microsoft ones, openshot) but had no luck getting anything good from them.

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - INTRO/LOADING VIDEO done!
« Reply #105 on: December 22, 2018, 05:01:29 pm »
Argh - running out of time.

Today I got the CP overlay applied, and mounted all the controls.  It's ready for wiring (tomorrow)...



Very tight fit!!



I also applied the speaker panel artwork, and mounted the speakers.  I've drilled cable access holes to the marquee box, and prepped a few more bits.

2 days to go....  gonna be tight...  :/

Still got loads to do... marquee lighting, wiring up amp, applying side art, t-molding, cp-wiring, back-panel wiring, affixing handle boxes to back panel, putting it all together...
 
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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - CP overlay applied!
« Reply #106 on: December 23, 2018, 11:44:46 am »
Wow really nice job.  Lining that up must have been really tough.  It looks great!

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - CP overlay applied!
« Reply #107 on: December 23, 2018, 04:45:16 pm »
That control panel is beautiful! :cheers:
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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - CP overlay applied!
« Reply #108 on: December 23, 2018, 08:04:06 pm »
Cheers gents! :cheers: ... cutting the holes was done with a compass cutter, it wasn't too bad.  I had previously test-fit the artwork on some cheap paper at a local printers so I knew it should all line up ok.

Today I glued the thing together!  Finally, after so long... seeing it all together (albeit without the side art applied yet) was great - worth waiting for :)  Even the missus commented that it looked good!





I also lined the storage box with 4mm neoprene rubber/foam sheets.  Looks and feels nice I think :)  It's already full up with stuff!



Also tonight, enlisting a friend to help, we just about managed to get the CP wired up... man that took a while and was fiddly.  Opted to solder the controls instead of using the female spade connectors I'd bought, and I used boot lace ferrules on the ipac end.  Not the neatest, but I'm pretty happy...



Today I also got the speakers and amp connected, the marquee installed with LED strip, wired the IEC power socket, and test-ran booting the pi.  All worked nicely :)

Still to do....

 - Apply side art!
 - Apply t-molding on side panels.
 - Mount powerstrip, pi, usb hub, tidy and connect up cables etc.

Cutting it fine, lol... the kids had better appreciate this... ;)


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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - CP overlay applied!
« Reply #109 on: December 23, 2018, 11:30:11 pm »
Looks real good jimbo!!

I have a question about your intro video/music:
Does this play while the computer is booting up? If so, I have to ask how you did it.
I have thought about using some sort of video switch that would switch between a compact player running a video until the computer boot process is done, then automatically switch the monitor to the PC.
Be a great way to hide the boot process when you power up the arcade.
But I never came up with anything that I thought would work.
Does this video play during boot up or after? You may have already explained this and I missed it. If so, i apologize and claim the senior citizen excuse.

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - CP overlay applied!
« Reply #110 on: December 24, 2018, 05:19:14 am »
Thanks mate :)

The video is setup as a splash screen video with retropie.  I'm running a pi3, and I have disabled the boot text/image by following this procedure:

https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/14299/tutorial-remove-boot-text-on-the-raspberry-pi-for-noobs

Doing this and the video starts after just a few seconds :)

I have a pre-installed downloaded retropie image with loads of systems and games on it so it takes about 35 seconds from boot to the frontend.  I've set the video length to about this amount of time.  The emulationstation frontend loads in the background while the video is playing so once the video finishes, it's only a few more seconds and the frontend shows.

Of course, this method only works with a Pi running retropie.  :cheers:

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - CP overlay applied!
« Reply #111 on: December 25, 2018, 02:04:43 pm »
Woo!  I did it in time....  well, got the side art applied anyway, and it's playable... she chooches like a good'un :)

Not fully configured yet, but the kids love it!  Mission accomplished! :)  I still have some tidying up to do, paint touch ups, t-molding to install and software configuration of emulators and controls, but it's usable :)



Side art came out lovely... the missus helped me apply it last night and I trimmed the edges with a craft knife...



CP looks great - I'm well chuffed with this! :)



Marquee and top box internals: I used a broom handle to hold the LED strip, and hot glued the audio amp. Cable access through each side of the marquee floor/back panel...



And top view... t-molding a bit dirty - might replace that soon...



Back panel/door: -




Merry Christmas everyone!  :cheers:

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - I MADE IT! (just)
« Reply #112 on: December 25, 2018, 02:50:31 pm »
Very nice!  :cheers:
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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - I MADE IT! (just)
« Reply #113 on: December 25, 2018, 04:19:35 pm »
Well done Jimbo, looks great!  :applaud:

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - I MADE IT! (just)
« Reply #114 on: December 25, 2018, 05:25:00 pm »
Looking awesome, my man!

I don't think your photos do justice to how nice that artwork looks in the flesh though...  :cheers:

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« Reply #115 on: January 02, 2019, 04:22:29 pm »
Congrats!  Looks awesome.  Make sure you finish - a playable cab that isn't 100% complete is a dangerous thing.   :cheers:

How was applying the side art?  Did you line it up, stick it down and then trim with a razor?  Can you describe how you did it?  I can't figure out whether to put cab art side down on table and then trim around edge with razor or art side up and slice off excess art with razor blade using the edge of the side panel as a flat surface for the razor.  Basically, how did you get straight lines and a crisp edge?

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - I MADE IT! (just)
« Reply #116 on: January 02, 2019, 05:50:49 pm »
Thanks guys!  :cheers:

I uploaded a short video tour of the finished cab...  apologies for the dressing gown, and the low volume and light, but it shows the main features.  ;)



Javeryh, I agree on the finishing part!  Today I finished the t-molding, so that's pretty much it for the build - just a few software config bits to do with retropie.  The ipac is all setup now so the controls are all working.  I had to switch emulators on some games to get the spinners and trackball to work properly, and mess about with config files while ssh'd into the pi.  Advance Mame seems to work best with these.

With the side art, I had the artwork designed so there was an overhang of about 5mm all the way around - this made it very easy to line up (just make sure it's overlapping all the way around).  I lay the cab on a towel on the floor, on its side, then lined up the artwork so it fit... then I clamped around the middle, and cut a 3cm strip of the backing off the top.  Then I stuck that top bit down, removed the clamps, and peeled back the rest of the adhesive backing slowly to apply to the rest of the side panel.  Had some help from the missus here.  I think 2 pairs of hands is better than 1 for this part!

With the side art applied, I had a 5mm overhang.  I flipped the cab over 180 degrees and put the newly applied side art panel on the floor, on a piece of clean smooth hardboard.  Then I just used a very sharp (new blade) craft knife to trim around the edges by hand.  This wasn't so bad cutting into the hardboard.  I just went slowly and it turned out fine.  I've seen people fold the side art under the t-molding, but this is the tough textured stuff from gameongrafix so I didn't fancy bending that without creases etc.  The t-molding finishes it off nicely and just overlaps the edge of my 18mm side panels so hides the cut edges fine (but they were neat enough anyway).  :cheers:

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - video tour uploaded
« Reply #117 on: January 02, 2019, 05:59:07 pm »
Wow! Great job Jimbo!  :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - I MADE IT! (just)
« Reply #118 on: January 03, 2019, 01:02:47 pm »
Thanks guys!  :cheers:

I uploaded a short video tour of the finished cab...  apologies for the dressing gown, and the low volume and light, but it shows the main features.  ;)



Javeryh, I agree on the finishing part!  Today I finished the t-molding, so that's pretty much it for the build - just a few software config bits to do with retropie.  The ipac is all setup now so the controls are all working.  I had to switch emulators on some games to get the spinners and trackball to work properly, and mess about with config files while ssh'd into the pi.  Advance Mame seems to work best with these.

With the side art, I had the artwork designed so there was an overhang of about 5mm all the way around - this made it very easy to line up (just make sure it's overlapping all the way around).  I lay the cab on a towel on the floor, on its side, then lined up the artwork so it fit... then I clamped around the middle, and cut a 3cm strip of the backing off the top.  Then I stuck that top bit down, removed the clamps, and peeled back the rest of the adhesive backing slowly to apply to the rest of the side panel.  Had some help from the missus here.  I think 2 pairs of hands is better than 1 for this part!

With the side art applied, I had a 5mm overhang.  I flipped the cab over 180 degrees and put the newly applied side art panel on the floor, on a piece of clean smooth hardboard.  Then I just used a very sharp (new blade) craft knife to trim around the edges by hand.  This wasn't so bad cutting into the hardboard.  I just went slowly and it turned out fine.  I've seen people fold the side art under the t-molding, but this is the tough textured stuff from gameongrafix so I didn't fancy bending that without creases etc.  The t-molding finishes it off nicely and just overlaps the edge of my 18mm side panels so hides the cut edges fine (but they were neat enough anyway).  :cheers:

Thanks for the explanation.  I have gameongrafix textured stuff as well so I'll probably do exactly what you did to trim the excess.  As for lining it up... yeah... I had to make a template of the side panel out of plexi so I could see through and line up the art and then line up the plexi with the actual side panel.  I'll go into more detail in my thread if I ever get some time to continue working on my cab!

I love the boot up sequence.  Really makes it look like a finished product.  It came out great!!   :cheers:

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Re: VIDEOTRON (2 player Bartop for the kids) - video tour uploaded
« Reply #119 on: January 04, 2019, 08:23:12 am »
Thanks Javeryh...

Sounds like you're nearly finished... looking forward to seeing how it goes.  BTW, I think we used the same artist!