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Author Topic: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!  (Read 1774 times)

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2018, 03:21:19 pm »
Some day, I will never hear about this guy ever again.  And that will be a good day.


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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2018, 05:11:54 pm »
I'd rather hear about this nerdy saga any day of the week over any of the other garbage on the news today.  :cheers:

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2018, 05:34:59 pm »
But this was all just a smear campaign orchestrated by Dwayne Richard.

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2018, 05:36:57 pm »
what pbj said.....I cant believe I just typed that.



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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2018, 06:39:52 pm »
Hey, wasn't that dude in Pixels?
I thought he was taller.

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2018, 07:53:46 pm »
Billy and Kaneda need to get together and have a sausage party.

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2018, 05:36:37 am »
I'm confident that an esteemed group such as TG holds each and every record submitted to the same standards and scrutiny and no Mame recorded high scores slips through the cracks. Hey remember when they were pimping out high score certifications for cash?


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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2018, 10:51:31 am »
I'm confident that an esteemed group such as TG holds each and every record submitted to the same standards and scrutiny and no Mame recorded high scores slips through the cracks. Hey remember when they were pimping out high score certifications for cash?

Vigo, you have to understand that the people that hold high scores have a different mentality.  They have trained tirelessly in the pursuit and invested large portions of their lives.  It's not like someone could just get high, veg out playing Snacks 'n Jaxon or some other random game, and beat the world record.

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2018, 11:17:32 am »
I'm confident that an esteemed group such as TG holds each and every record submitted to the same standards and scrutiny and no Mame recorded high scores slips through the cracks. Hey remember when they were pimping out high score certifications for cash?

Aren't/Weren't you a record holder on there in some crazy ass game?

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2018, 11:31:36 am »
Vigo, you have to understand that the people that hold high scores have a different mentality.  They have trained tirelessly in the pursuit and invested large portions of their lives.  It's not like someone could just get high, veg out playing Snacks 'n Jaxon or some other random game, and beat the world record.

CHadTower has the record for Clockwork Knight on Saturn, his score is easily beat but no one gives a ---fudgesicle--- enough to bother submitting a higher score.

NO ONE ---smurfing--- CARES.  We definitely need like 8 Billy Mitchell threads though.............
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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2018, 12:22:15 pm »
I submitted a bunch of ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- scores and they finally told me to stop.  I was like #1 on Windjammers with 700 points.

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2018, 12:54:28 pm »
I'm confident that an esteemed group such as TG holds each and every record submitted to the same standards and scrutiny and no Mame recorded high scores slips through the cracks. Hey remember when they were pimping out high score certifications for cash?

Vigo, you have to understand that the people that hold high scores have a different mentality.  They have trained tirelessly in the pursuit and invested large portions of their lives.  It's not like someone could just get high, veg out playing Snacks 'n Jaxon or some other random game, and beat the world record.

I get what it means to the record holder, I am more acknowledging that there is a spotted history from the organization the is the gatekeeper of the records. At one point swatches of records were lost when changing ownership. Multiple stories of some scores being held to different standards. I don't think that many involved were a bad actors, stuff I have perked up on seemed to be a the result of letting multiple personalities rule the show and budget and time constraints leaving inconsistent standards.



I'm confident that an esteemed group such as TG holds each and every record submitted to the same standards and scrutiny and no Mame recorded high scores slips through the cracks. Hey remember when they were pimping out high score certifications for cash?

Aren't/Weren't you a record holder on there in some crazy ass game?

Yeah, I had achieved the record for Snack n Jaxson. It was a Mame record, but that was OK, because the only records for the game then were in the Mame category. I submitted the record, and was approved quickly, but they would not post it for me unless I handed them a sweaty wad of cash to seal the deal. Another wad of money for them to send me a sheet of paper telling me the score I got. I was not willing to pay for either.


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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2018, 12:55:10 pm »
I submitted a bunch of ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- scores and they finally told me to stop.  I was like #1 on Windjammers with 700 points.

 :lol

Buhaha!  :lol

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2018, 02:27:43 pm »
My buddy Dave tied the 27 point Stunt Cycle world record on like his 3rd game back when I owned one. No video proof though since we were not expecting it and he only ever managed to do it again one other time.

I'm confident that an esteemed group such as TG holds each and every record submitted to the same standards and scrutiny and no Mame recorded high scores slips through the cracks. Hey remember when they were pimping out high score certifications for cash?

Vigo, you have to understand that the people that hold high scores have a different mentality.  They have trained tirelessly in the pursuit and invested large portions of their lives.  It's not like someone could just get high, veg out playing Snacks 'n Jaxon or some other random game, and beat the world record.
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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2018, 02:57:48 pm »
My buddy Dave tied the 27 point Stunt Cycle world record on like his 3rd game back when I owned one. No video proof though since we were not expecting it and he only ever managed to do it again one other time.


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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2018, 03:00:46 pm »
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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2018, 04:03:54 pm »
Dude, I got 27 at ZapCon a few years back
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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2018, 04:11:09 pm »
My proof
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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2018, 08:18:18 am »
So I am at the Midwest Gaming Classic. Someone was pretty lonely at the pre opening last night. They let a limited number of people in the night before the actual event.

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2018, 01:02:08 pm »
Lol.  Oh man.  That’s an iconic shot, sell it to Kotaku.


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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2018, 01:10:02 pm »
Go say hi, Mike. Nicest guy you’ll ever meet.
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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2018, 01:15:52 pm »
That's what I have heard. I just thought that was a great pic. In was going to say hello, but it was my turn on Iron Maiden pinball. He was gone after my game ended. My problem is that he cheated, and he won't own up to it. People do dumb things. Own up to your mistakes and apologize.


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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2018, 03:12:22 pm »
Enh,  i’m not saying go up and say hi to him because of the “worlds records”. Go say hi to him because he’s a nice guy.
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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2018, 03:15:14 pm »
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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2018, 09:20:15 am »
Own up to your mistakes and apologize.

Ironic.

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2018, 09:28:54 am »
I'm a Billy Mitchell fan. What a bummer.

I wish I knew about him a 15 years ago. I used to travel in and out of Hollywood Florida all the time and never even knew to stop at his folks BBQ joint.

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« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2018, 05:00:45 pm »
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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2018, 08:39:15 pm »
Did he or didn't he, I could care less.  I met Billy Mitchell at FreePlay in Orlando this past year.  We shook hands and  chatted a bit about the mundane, not about video game records, where are you from that sort of thing. " Have you seen the the Homebrews? Cupcade and Polybius?"  cool stuff.  EA was there and we happened to be standing by their table  where there was to be some sort of raffle.  A kid, probably 10 to 12 years of age came up, and asked for a raffle ticket.  He was denied as the age of entry was 18 or over.  He was told if a parent would sign they'd be happy to issue him a ticket and grab some swag from the table.  The kid was hurt, I think he was just dropped off for the day and his parents would pick him up later.  Before I could do anything, Billy jumped in, "Hey!, I need a ticket!, to which EA handed him one immediately and he grabbed some swag as well.  We found the kid, and Billy handed over the loot telling him "If you win, come get me, I'm here all day and I'll claim your prize for you. But make sure you come to me first."   I stayed for at least three drawings, but alas the kid didn't win.  I had hoped he won in one of the later drawings.  Billy also has a wicked sense of humor.  I'm not sure if it was people playing the giant Donkey Kong, which Billy was offering advice, or people that had him pose for photos.  But throughout the day, I noticed many people with small photos of Billy Mitchell giving a thumbs up pasted to the back of their shirts.  I think he was clapping people on the back and leaving his mark, so to speak.  There is a video somewhere on YouTube from a talk he gave while in Orlando.  Someone asked about King of Kong and his portrayal as the villain.  He said he'd become aware pretty early as to how he was being portrayed and said "Do you know how much fun it is to play the bad guy?".  I'm no fanboy, and video games are not the be all, end all of my life.  I just happened to meet some guy whose name I recognized and he made my day that much better.  Not because of some championship but because we shared some friendly conversation at a pretty cool event.  Whatever the outcome, Billy's ok in my book.
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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2018, 10:17:52 pm »
I am rooting for him.  I have seen too many rush to judgement situations like this, with haters piling on like its their job.  Which is what haters do.  So I guess it is their job?  Whatever.   ;D

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2018, 07:25:01 am »
I am rooting for him.  I have seen too many rush to judgement situations like this, with haters piling on like its their job.  Which is what haters do.  So I guess it is their job?  Whatever.   ;D

Nobody rushed into anything.

The case has caused a good number of people to record high quality 60fps footage from genuine DK arcade PCBs.

That footage has been used to fix fundamental flaws in the way MAME was rendering Donkey Kong compared to a real PCB, the 2 most recent versions of MAME contain those improvements.  It's very easy to look at the MAME codebase and say "oops, yes, we were doing that wrong in older versions" based on the real DK PCB evidence that has been provided.

On the contrary, the only way you can get output that matches the material supplied for the record tapes Billy provided is if those fundamental flaws exist, ie it's rendering with the bugs that would only be present in older emulators, the very bugs that the recent real hardware material has helped us fix.

Nice guy or not a nice guy is kinda irrelevant here, good at the game or not good at the game, again irrelevant, cheated in other ways or didn't cheat, irrelevant.  By claiming, and then insisting that the record was done with a genuine original 1981 Donkey Kong PCB the chain of trust has been broken.

Might be nitpicking, but they have different score tables for PCBs / MAME for good reason.  The evidence conclusively shows it can't be a real 1981 hardware recording, and he says it isn't a MAME recording, so in the end it has no home on either leaderboard.

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2018, 09:47:45 am »
Nobody cares about any of that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.


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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2018, 09:52:10 am »

The case has caused a good number of people to record high quality 60fps footage from genuine DK arcade PCBs.

That footage has been used to fix fundamental flaws in the way MAME was rendering Donkey Kong compared to a real PCB, the 2 most recent versions of MAME contain those improvements.  It's very easy to look at the MAME codebase and say "oops, yes, we were doing that wrong in older versions" based on the real DK PCB evidence that has been provided.


This is the most interesting item I've seen come out of the whole Billygate debacle.

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2018, 11:39:33 am »
I am rooting for him.  I have seen too many rush to judgement situations like this, with haters piling on like its their job.

This investigation took over 2 months to complete and come to a decision. No one at TG rushed to anything.

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2018, 12:58:08 pm »
The score is still impressive.  But rules are rules I guess.

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2018, 01:02:48 pm »
If there was no other cheating then it's actually more impressive, because with emulators and PCBs based on emulators you're dealing with at least one extra frame of input latency.

The problem is a lot of people think there is something else fishy going on based on other things seen in the tapes and that whole chain of trust thing I mentioned.

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Re: Billy Mitchell stripped of Donkey Kong records!
« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2018, 05:12:31 am »
And These...Are the Days of Our Lives.

Really cool that DK emulation was improved through this.

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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2018, 10:22:33 pm »
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