Crap MAME II: Crap Harder

[yotsuya]

I doubt it prevented entire builds. I'm pretty sure more people benefited from it than ran screaming.

[DaveMMR]

I doubt it prevented entire builds. I'm pretty sure more people benefited from it than ran screaming.

If anything, maybe it prevented people from posting their builds on websites, this forum, etc.

[yotsuya]

And? I've never posted a build. Didn't prevent me from making them.

[DaveMMR]

No follow-up. Not mentioning it as a "good thing" or a "bad thing", just speculating the possible effects of the site.

[yotsuya]

Honestly, I think CM has probably scared more builders straight than anything else. I don't see it as a bad thing.

I honestly think that we've come a long way, so that none of our current builds look like anything on that site anymore. Which can only be a good thing.

[Xiaou2]

Part of being an adult on the Internet means growing a thick enough skin to not get all upset over a bunch of comments from Internet Strangers(TM).  If people are so hyper-sensitive that they can't deal with some negativity online, then they shouldn't be posting stuff to begin with.

  This has nothing to do with being hyper sensitive.    I guess you never have heard about Cyber bullying, Cyber Stalking, Slander, Libel 

 Maybe we should devote a 'humorous personal attack website devoted to you and your shortcomings, as well as slanderous attacks?


 So, what you have now... is a bunch of people, who every day have to be reminded that there is a site devoted to personally trashing them... and Slandering them personally.   

 I have no problem with people not agreeing with my designs.. but I DO have an issue with personal attacks and SLANDER.


 I really Should get a lawyer on it...   I have one in the family, and know quite a few personally... as I used to service their entire staffs office computers regularly.

 Maybe I can get the others material taken down too.  Im sure they would be quite happy about that.

[Xiaou2]

 And btw - Im not Embarrassed of my creations.   The thing was designed to do exactly what I wanted it to do.. which was easily play almost any game I chose, without swapping a thing, nor discomfort in playability of those controls.

 Looks were always unimportant to me.. and marble paper was the rage back then.. when there was no printing services available.  It was also cheap.

 I never finished it, cause I lost a job... and then my ideas changed about what I wanted..  such as learning about leafswich joys, and the idea that a sitdown similar to Unclets, would be far more comfortable.


 What I take issue with, is someones personal insults and slander, with my material on Their site.
 Especially with them possibly making money on it from advertising to boot.


 Yeah, maybe it is time to Flush the crap site down the toilet where it belongs...

 Edit...

 Anyone whos works are posted without your consent, that you would like removed, PM me with info.  Thx.

[Le Chuck]

I can't wait to see the guy suing the web host for posting a pic and a sentence that doesn't ever identify the plaintiff counter suing said plaintiff for threatening to knock his teeth out.  Especially after the violent one making physical threats posted the pics on teh INTERNETS!1!!1  I'm no lawyer, clearly neither is the above, but I'd bet a buffalo nickel that this goes exactly nowhere. 

[Dawgz Rule]

I really Should get a lawyer on it...   I have one in the family, and know quite a few personally... as I used to service their entire staffs office computers regularly.

 Maybe I can get the others material taken down too.  Im sure they would be quite happy about that.

Anyone whos works are posted without your consent, that you would like removed, PM me with info.  Thx.

Xiaou2, I actually agree with a lot of your comments on this thread but when you post this kind of crap, it really discredits you completely.  Good luck with the lawsuits.

[Xiaou2]

Dawgz,

  What exactly discredits me?

 And this is crap?!   No.    Whats crap, is people Crapping all over others on a daily basis.

 As for lawsuit, I doubt it would need get to that point.  But who knows...

 Dawgz, this is called Karma.  You think that you can just go around kicking people in the nuts and not get
any repercussions?

 Rather than keep being a punching bag, and having negative feelings bought up constantly..
I choose to take a stand for myself, and for others.

 Thats the right thing to do.  And the Right way to be.   If you dont agree.. then maybe your idea of what good Morals are, is just not quite right.

[Xiaou2]

I can't wait to see the guy suing the web host for posting a pic and a sentence that doesn't ever identify the plaintiff counter suing said plaintiff for threatening to knock his teeth out.  Especially after the violent one making physical threats posted the pics on teh INTERNETS!1!!1  I'm no lawyer, clearly neither is the OP, but I'd bet a buffalo nickel that this goes exactly nowhere.

 Threats?  I made no threats.  I made a statement, that if he wants to insult me.. then clearly he has a problem with me... so come on down and solve it man to man... or,  we can do this legally.    Well, that man to man time has past.

 Take the crap down and Be 'GROWN man'...   Or, we shall see what further transpires.  Theres what... +30 people or so that are constantly being harassed and made to feel negatively at others expense... and profit?   I think thats a good enough case to get it flushed, ..and maybe more than that.

[CheffoJeffo]

I can't wait to see the guy suing the web host for posting a pic and a sentence that doesn't ever identify the plaintiff counter suing said plaintiff for threatening to knock his teeth out.  Especially after the violent one making physical threats posted the pics on teh INTERNETS!1!!1  I'm no lawyer, clearly neither is the OP, but I'd bet a buffalo nickel that this goes exactly nowhere.

 Threats?  I made no threats.  I made a statement, that if he wants to insult me.. then clearly he has a problem with me... so come on down and solve it man to man... or,  we can do this legally.    Well, that man to man time has past.

 Take the crap down and Be 'GROWN man'...   Or, we shall see what further transpires.  Theres what... +30 people or so that are constantly being harassed and made to feel negatively at others expense... and profit?   I think thats a good enough case to get it flushed, ..and maybe more than that.

Steve, please shut the ---fudgesicle--- up.

Your threats ring hollow because, like most people, I don't see myself making the drive to Rochester so that you can knock my teeth out.

And you aren't allowed to leave the jurisdiction, play with sharp objects or talk to lawyers.

[Malenko]

I guess you never have heard about Cyber bullying, Cyber Stalking, Slander, Libel 

Man, here is where doing IT for a buncha law firms is starting to come in handy I am not a lawyer but........

Slander is oral defamation.  Since you cant hear us, it doesn't apply. Oh please dear lord tell me you cant actually hear us.

Libel is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image. You would have an exceedingly difficult time proving that when someone called you a meth head, that it would be implied to be factual and not just an insult based on the poster's opinion of the quality of work and idea the work is based on. That and you are never directly identified as the user of meth on the page.

Cyber-bullying "involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others."  Hostile behavior by an individual, like I dunno repeatedly threatening people with physical harm when they disagree with you. If you are implying that CrapMAME is bullying you, the page is static and hasn't been updated, so that removes the "repeatedly" prerequisite. And again, you aren't personally identified.

Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet or other electronic means to stalk or harass an individual, a group of individuals, or an organization. It may include false accusations, monitoring, making threats, identity theft, damage to data or equipment, the solicitation of minors for sex, or gathering information in order to harass. Can't help but notice the whole "making threats" thing again, even with that I'm not sure how much of the law would be applied to trolling.

Couple allllllll that with the fact some of the people you'd be suing may not be American and subject to our laws and things get flimsy. I'm pretty sure suing anyone on here or Saint directly would break the a couple forum rules and therefor would subject your account to be banned. So please, do try.

And just for clarification, when you say anything that involves you "knocking someones teeth out" that's threatening them, you cant hide behind semantics. Lastly, I've already made a full site copy of crap MAME, I really hope you can get it taken down, so I can have it hosted in a country that doesn't have diplomatic ties to the US and I'll put it back up. Getting something taken off the internet is like trying to get pee out of the ocean.

[Le Chuck]

M beat me to the punch (double entendre snicker) but here's what I was working on...

Threats?  I made no threats.  I made a statement, that if he wants to insult me.. then clearly he has a problem with me... so come on down and solve it man to man... or,  we can do this legally.    Well, that man to man time has past.

 Take the crap down and Be 'GROWN man'...   Or, we shall see what further transpires.

And then I will respond in kind, by knocking your teeth out, to teach you the most basic of lessons.

In the manner that this isn't legally a threat the crapmame site isn't legally libel.

Some facts about libel - feel free to use your own research abilities to verify the veracity of my post

1) It has a statute of limitations - many places that is only a year from publication (this assumes what you're describing is actually libelous...which it isn't - either way you're likely already SOL)

2) It doesn't have to name the person directly but they must be easily identified.  Even if I say Xiaou2 only posts under the influence of the crack rock that doesn't constitute libel because Xiaou2 isn't an identifiable person, it's an online persona that provides a level of anonymity.  If you want to out yourself, feel free, it won't stop the comments - see points three und vier.

3) Private citizens have to shows negligence while public figures must show malice.  Showing legal malice is difficult and you could easily be identified as a limited public figure on the internet what with your prolific post count and legnth.

4) Comments that appear libelous but in context cannot be construed as a verifiable fact are not liable.  In other words, jokes and hyperbole don't cut the libel mustard.

So to wrap up, it's clearly hyperbole, it's old news, it doesn't identify who you are, we have no way of discerning easily who you really are, it's humor value for me has gone from mildly amusing to ROFL based on your childish reactions and chest thumping years after the fact. 

That's not even getting into all the other things I don't like about you, I'm doing my bestest to keep those separate from this discussion.  That said, maybe Shmokes will pick up your case probono

[jdbailey1206]

What I can't understand is how this has gotten out of control.  For those who who are so proud of their work there seems to be an awful amount of protesting.  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."  (I'M NOT CALLING ANYONE A LADY!  THATS THE QUOTE!)  If it is such a big deal than we should not be bombarded with all the anger.  The anger should be put against the person who "slandered your character" in the first place and they should be confronted and appropriate action should be taken against them.  Not us.  I would have never known who made certain things on that site until said person brought it to light that it was their own work.

I am at a loss also on how they are "profiting".  The only way they could possibly profit is through the AdChoice.  This, I understand, works on a premise of how many clicks are made through the Crap Mame website that links to the website on the ad.  (And I don't think it gets a lot of hits.)  For the times that I have been there it has been showing things that I already own.  Or websites that I have been to previously.  And if any of us are that veterened of internet users, like I know we are, we just open another window and go to where we want.  And even if revenue was made it would most likely go back to the web host.  Thus resulting in no profit on the creators end. 

In the end this site is and always will be a gigantic arm grab before we fall in the proverbial mud puddle.  Think of if as those who have fallen in the mud puddle telling us that I like you just enough not to get covered in mud like I did.

PS

Le Chuck said "Pro Boner"....

[TopJimmyCooks]

X2, instead of all this, if it's pissing you off ask the site owner to take it down or change his text on the page to something less rude.  one thing you might have a shot with is the decency of the original site owner.  A quick note saying that the pic is your copyright and you'd like it off or at least the verbiage changed to just attack the product not the maker, etc. might get you there. 

[Dawgz Rule]

What exactly discredits me?

Hollow threats is what discredits you and it continues with your continued comments about lawsuits.

You think that you can just go around kicking people in the nuts and not get
any repercussions?

I honestly don't believe I go around kicking people in the nuts.  I may have pointed out the obvious in some posts (the kid who was going to get us all monitors dirt cheap rings a bell).  By and large, I try to keep things positive and give constructive advice and opinion.

Admittedly, I do think the original site is quite funny and pokes fun at mistakes we all have made or could have made.   That aside, I do see that some of the comments posted here can be a little over the top.   It is also clear that it can drive some people away.  (Monitor kid, Dick Turpin, etc.).   However, in some cases the ribbing received was well deserved IMHO.   By and large, the community is a good community and provides sound advice.

I would even go so far to say that you do bring up some good things too  but it is often clouded by rants that seem to add no value and truly display your anger....especially to other members of this community. 

[ChadTower]

I am at a loss also on how they are "profiting".  The only way they could possibly profit is through the AdChoice.

FWIW, "profit" on the internet, in particular social media, is not always monetary.  A lot of the time it's status, prestige, traffic, or popularity.  Granted I have no idea if the law here is modern enough to consider that (plus this case would do nothing but feed some lawyers).

[lcmgadgets]

What I can't understand is how this has gotten out control.

+1

The anger should be put against the person who "slandered your character" in the first place and they should be confronted and appropriate action should be taken against them.  Not us.

Again, +1.

I would even go so far to say that you do bring up some good things too  but it is often clouded by rants that seem to add no value and truly display your anger....especially to other members of this community. 

& yet again, +1.

[Vigo]

To be wronged is nothing unless you continue to remember it.

- Confucius

[shponglefan]

Part of being an adult on the Internet means growing a thick enough skin to not get all upset over a bunch of comments from Internet Strangers(TM).  If people are so hyper-sensitive that they can't deal with some negativity online, then they shouldn't be posting stuff to begin with.

  This has nothing to do with being hyper sensitive.    I guess you never have heard about Cyber bullying, Cyber Stalking, Slander, Libel 

 Maybe we should devote a 'humorous personal attack website devoted to you and your shortcomings, as well as slanderous attacks?

I used to run a moderatley successful website for about 4-5 years; basically being a media critic and I even attached my real name.  Every once in awhile, I would get people slagging me for my views (whether angry emails, forums, whatever).  I leaned over time that you cannot let that type of stuff get to you.  If you post your creations, opinions, etc, on the internet for people to view and respond to, you have to accept that you can invite negative responses.  And sometimes, rightly or wrongly, they can be personal.  And if allow yourself to become that insecure over what people online say, then I reiterate: don't post stuff online.

One thing to keep in mind when dealing with Internet strangers (as I learned) is this: these people don't know you.  You are as anonomous to them as they are to you.  So keeping that in mind can make it easier to let this stuff roll off your back.

There is a huge difference between your typical online flak versus actual cyberbullying, harrassment, libel, and so on.  Others have already pointed this out.  And something like Crapmame falls firmly in the former category.

So yes, I do think you are being hyper sensitive about this.  Especially when you start talking about violence, lawyering up and all the rest.  Why exactly, I don't know.  Maybe there are things you need to deal with internally and then stuff like the crapmame site won't bother you anymore.

[Dawgz Rule]

Because I can't help myself now (thank you Xiaou2) and I now realize that you are (were) the proud owner of an item on the aforementioned site...I have two questions:

1.  Can you confirm whether or not what the author states is true:  "One benefit I can see here is that you could probably ram one of those tall trigger sticks up your ass while you're playing driving games -- or maybe just rest your nuts on it. Nothing like a good nut rest."

2.  Can you confirm this one as well:  "and there is ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- like this that you have to take tainted meth to come up with"

Regards,
Dawgz

(disclaimer:  I have no knowledge of any of the true owners of the items depicted on the "crapmame" website or duplicates of that website posted.   Also, no animals were harmed in the creation of this posting.)

[Vigo]

I remember back when I was in middle school. I really loved to draw and sketch. Randomly, I drew a ninja turtle one day for a classmate and she hung it on her locker. It was a Raphael, I think, and it became an instant trend among the girls in my class. Well, I never knew that girls liked ninja turtles, but within a week I had about 20 girls ask me to draw them ninja turtles to hang on their lockers. I kinda ended up being the ninja turtle kid that year and must have drawn over 100 turtles.  One day at study hall, I was drawing again and per a request, I drew a ninja turtle riding a Chocobo. Well, the angle I chose to draw this in ended up looking weird, and I couldn't quite get it to look right dimensionally. Suddenly, my study hall teacher snatched up the sheet of paper I was drawing on and called me a sick pervert. I had absolutely no clue what was going on or why he called me that. It was only after my teacher decided to parade my artwork around the classroom that I realized how my drawing actually looked since I usually draw with my nose 3 inches from the paper.  You see, because of the bad angle I drew this picture in, It looked like Leonardo was not on top of the Chocobo, but behind him. Meaning, my picture looks exactly like Leonardo Giving butt sex to a 7 foot tall bird. My teacher thought it would be an appropriate punishment to demonstrate that I was drawing hot steamy mutant turtle on giant bird action. Leonardo's gritted teeth and firm grip on the bird only made it look worse, as if he was really trying to jam it in good and hard with turtle power like the dominating ---tallywhacker--- he can be. Well, I guess the point of my story is that sometimes you might really take a lot of value in your work, but other people will see it as nothing more than bird-rape. That's OK though, because even though all those classmates probably never knew it was a big accident, they knew me enough to really not care. After that point, I drew more Ninja turtles and was wise enough to make sure what I was creating did not end end up looking like a raping reptile again. Today, I look at it the whole issue and laugh. So much so that I am willing to share that story with you all here. So much so that I am good friends with my old teacher today. You just gotta be zen about it and realize there are mistakes that are not worth getting upset about even if others laugh at you about it.

[Dawgz Rule]

 
I haven't laughed this hard since Le Chuck's dick on the nose story.  Thank you for the sharing this story.  Oh, the point (no pun intended) was also good.

[Monkeyvoodoo]

I remember back when I was in middle school. I really loved to draw and sketch. Randomly, I drew a ninja turtle one day for a classmate and she hung it on her locker. It was a Raphael, I think, and it became an instant trend among the girls in my class. Well, I never knew that girls liked ninja turtles, but within a week I had about 20 girls ask me to draw them ninja turtles to hang on their lockers. I kinda ended up being the ninja turtle kid that year and must have drawn over 100 turtles.  One day at study hall, I was drawing again and per a request, I drew a ninja turtle riding a Chocobo. Well, the angle I chose to draw this in ended up looking weird, and I couldn't quite get it to look right dimensionally. Suddenly, my study hall teacher snatched up the sheet of paper I was drawing on and called me a sick pervert. I had absolutely no clue what was going on or why he called me that. It was only after my teacher decided to parade my artwork around the classroom that I realized how my drawing actually looked since I usually draw with my nose 3 inches from the paper.  You see, because of the bad angle I drew this picture in, It looked like Leonardo was not on top of the Chocobo, but behind him. Meaning, my picture looks exactly like Leonardo Giving butt sex to a 7 foot tall bird. My teacher thought it would be an appropriate punishment to demonstrate that I was drawing hot steamy mutant turtle on giant bird action. Leonardo's gritted teeth and firm grip on the bird only made it look worse, as if he was really trying to jam it in good and hard with turtle power like the dominating ---tallywhacker--- he can be. Well, I guess the point of my story is that sometimes you might really take a lot of value in your work, but other people will see it as nothing more than bird-rape. That's OK though, because even though all those classmates probably never knew it was a big accident, they knew me enough to really not care. After that point, I drew more Ninja turtles and was wise enough to make sure what I was creating did not end end up looking like a raping reptile again. Today, I look at it the whole issue and laugh. So much so that I am willing to share that story with you all here. So much so that I am good friends with my old teacher today. You just gotta be zen about it and realize there are mistakes that are not worth getting upset about even if others laugh at you about it.

It may be wrong but I want a copy of that drawing. I can't stop giggling.

[ChadTower]

You should have seen his next drawing.  Michaelangelo was putting his hot dogs on Shredder's grill.

[jdbailey1206]

Vigo is such a perv...

[Vigo]

That is not too far off from my drawing in a lot of ways. Angle is about the same I was going for. Pretty close facial expression. And I didn't draw a three way. 

[CoryBee]

xiaou2, you remind me of a guy I know named Justin......I don't like Justin

[Le Chuck]

xiaou2, you remind me of a guy I know named Justin......I don't like Justin

I love the simplistic finality

--break--

Vigo tells the best stories

[Maximus]

[shponglefan]

I remember back when I was in middle school. I really loved to draw and sketch. Randomly, I drew a ninja turtle one day for a classmate and she hung it on her locker. It was a Raphael, I think, and it became an instant trend among the girls in my class. Well, I never knew that girls liked ninja turtles, but within a week I had about 20 girls ask me to draw them ninja turtles to hang on their lockers. I kinda ended up being the ninja turtle kid that year and must have drawn over 100 turtles.  One day at study hall, I was drawing again and per a request, I drew a ninja turtle riding a Chocobo. Well, the angle I chose to draw this in ended up looking weird, and I couldn't quite get it to look right dimensionally. Suddenly, my study hall teacher snatched up the sheet of paper I was drawing on and called me a sick pervert. I had absolutely no clue what was going on or why he called me that. It was only after my teacher decided to parade my artwork around the classroom that I realized how my drawing actually looked since I usually draw with my nose 3 inches from the paper.  You see, because of the bad angle I drew this picture in, It looked like Leonardo was not on top of the Chocobo, but behind him. Meaning, my picture looks exactly like Leonardo Giving butt sex to a 7 foot tall bird. My teacher thought it would be an appropriate punishment to demonstrate that I was drawing hot steamy mutant turtle on giant bird action. Leonardo's gritted teeth and firm grip on the bird only made it look worse, as if he was really trying to jam it in good and hard with turtle power like the dominating ---tallywhacker--- he can be. Well, I guess the point of my story is that sometimes you might really take a lot of value in your work, but other people will see it as nothing more than bird-rape. That's OK though, because even though all those classmates probably never knew it was a big accident, they knew me enough to really not care. After that point, I drew more Ninja turtles and was wise enough to make sure what I was creating did not end end up looking like a raping reptile again. Today, I look at it the whole issue and laugh. So much so that I am willing to share that story with you all here. So much so that I am good friends with my old teacher today. You just gotta be zen about it and realize there are mistakes that are not worth getting upset about even if others laugh at you about it.

 

It's like Rule 34 before there was a Rule 34. 

[jdbailey1206]

That is not too far off from my drawing in a lot of ways. Angle is about the same I was going for. Pretty close facial expression. And I didn't draw a three way. 

Golden Rule, bro.

[Xiaou2]

Funny story Vigo.

 But your teacher didnt build a website over it, and verbally trash you.. insinuating that you were on drugs.
And then have students pull up that site every so often, to further debase you.

 Vigo, I have a sense of humor, even if I dont really post it.   I can take 'friendly' ribbing from a friend.

 But for a stranger to attack me and my character (as well as many others) ... in clearly an Aggressive and Non-Friendly manor, is called ABUSE.   

 And being a child who grew up with way too much abuse in life... who swallowed so much of its toxic poision without saying a word, nor taking any action, feeling so berated, defeated, and worthless..  that it nearly killed me... I have a lot less tolerance for abusive people.

[Rick]

When did I start surfing 4chan? ---fudgesicle---.

[Vigo]

Funny story Vigo.

 But your teacher didnt build a website over it, and verbally trash you.. insinuating that you were on drugs.
And then have students pull up that site every so often, to further debase you.

Right, but those people knew me in person. I also didn't voluntarily share my work with anyone. It is far more hurtful than some stranger on some random blog that nobody really reads anyway.

Oh, and my teacher did insinuate I was on drugs, and he left the picture hanging to debase me. And I was a child at the time. I later talked to him in a reasonable manner and he took it down. sure the damage was done, but I resolved the after-fall myself without complaint.

It is intention I don't talk about the grief I had to deal with, simply because I changed my attitude to not accept that grief. You can either act like a victim, or be responsible and know that embarrassing stuff happens and deal with it in a rational way.

[shponglefan]

But for a stranger to attack me and my character (as well as many others) ... in clearly an Aggressive and Non-Friendly manor, is called ABUSE.   

And being a child who grew up with way too much abuse in life... who swallowed so much of its toxic poision without saying a word, nor taking any action, feeling so berated, defeated, and worthless..  that it nearly killed me... I have a lot less tolerance for abusive people.

I grew up in an abusive environment as well, and I can safely say that abuse from anonymous strangers on the 'net is no where near the level of harm of abuse from people closest to you.  And especially something like crapmame which is relatively mild compared to some of the things people do & say on the 'net.

Again, you are anonymous to them.  Which is precisely why you shouldn't be taking be taking it so personally.  If you go through life feeling this impacted every time some stranger hurls something towards you, you're going to have a tough time living a normal life.  Best thing to do is to find a way to deal with this type of stuff internally and ultimately let it go.  Therapy is one option (not trying to be funny or mean saying this; I've been to therapists myself and while they have a stigma, they can be very helpful).  You'll be much happier for it, trust me on this.

[ChadTower]

Right, but those people knew me in person. I also didn't voluntarily share my work with anyone. It is far more hurtful than some stranger on some random blog that nobody really reads anyway.

Oh, and my teacher did insinuate I was on drugs, and he left the picture hanging to debase me. And I was a child at the time. I later talked to him in a reasonable manner and he took it down. sure the damage was done, but I resolved the after-fall myself without complaint.

It is intention I don't talk about the grief I had to deal with, simply because I changed my attitude to not accept that grief. You can either act like a victim, or be responsible and know that embarrassing stuff happens and deal with it in a rational way.

I agree with all of this.

Wouldn't it have been better all around if your teacher had chosen a method other than humiliating you in front of your peers?  What happened to you was unnecessary and it left enough of a mark that you're talking about it decades later.  That's what we're trying to get at here.  All these years later what you remember most about that incident is how it made you feel.  How about not ridiculing anyone and repeating that process?  If we're going to do this we have an opportunity to do it the right way with the right people involved.

[jdbailey1206]

Everyone has stories of where they were bullied.  The solution is not to put what you experienced onto others.  Because you in turn are no better than those who made you feel like you did in the first place.  Do like everyone has said.  Act like a ducks ass in water and let it roll off of you or confront those who have wronged you.  It's hard.  As the person being bullied you take so much of that persons lies you start to believe them.  But that is all they are.  Lies.  Once you start to stand up and prove them wrong then you see that bullies back down and move on.  Unfortunately to someone else. 

The problem with bullying is that it is learned.  Most bullies are bullied themselves and feel that they have to push it onto someone else to make themselves feel better.  Be the stopping point and confront those who have wronged you. 

I too was bullied in eighth grade.  Verbal mostly.  But the guy that bullied me was at a party I went to when we both got older.  The problem for him was I found a small thing called the gym in between the time we last met.  By that time I added 100 pounds and was quite fit.  I didn't play his game of being a bully.  Me and my buddy just walked up to him, I grabbed his hand, squeezed with some force and said hello.  All the time staring him down with the look that said "I remember what you did."  For about the next two minutes that followed I stared him down while drinking my beer.  Knowing what he did he came up apologized for being a dick in middle school and grabbed his girl and ran his skinny ass out the door. 

I didn't threaten him.  I didn't take my aggression out on anybody else.  I essentially told him he was wrong and he fixed it.  That's what needs to happen in this instance.  Tell those who are wrong to fix it and let it go. 

This question goes out to all on the thread.  Do we even know who made the web site?  Chances are if we don't there is a reason that person is doing it.  He's scared.  Like most people who do something like this they are hiding behind the mask of the internet for a reason.  They have what I call the Oz syndrome.  Just like the Wizard of Oz they put on a huge display but when you draw back the curtain it's a frightened little man who doesn't know any better.

That's how I feel.  Now let's all get back to Le Chuck and Maximus putting us to shame with their builds.   

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Now let's all get back to Le Chuck and Maximus putting us to shame with their builds.   

& Ond, & DaOldMan, & quizz_kid, & 1UP, & a dozen others who've id's have escaped me for the moment...

I've been to therapists myself and while they have a stigma

I always felt rather proud of myself for seeing therapists--I saw it as dealing with my problems rather than just ignoring them.

How about not ridiculing anyone and repeating that process?  If we're going to do this we have an opportunity to do it the right way with the right people involved.

+1. Yeah, I found CrapMame entertaining, but if it comes at the cost of someone being hurt....

Vigo, I think your teacher could have loosened up a bit. I'm not a teacher, but I can c myself spying that drawing, seeing what the teacher saw, & having to stifle a snort of laughter. At worst I imagine I would have quietly taken the student aside & asked him to keep such out of my class, if only to protect my personal hide... I seriously doubt I would have drawn conclusions concerning what I believed your sexual preferences were. I myself used to drawn endless scenes of space ships & submarines blowing each other to bits, but have never seriously endorsed violence as a solution to any problem (except in self defense, & even then I sometimes wonder...).

Yes, I am a coward. It's kept me alive & out of trouble for a long time.