Author Topic: EMS Top Gun 3 Released - !!!!!Updated!!!!! (Read 34977 times)

bkenobi · « **Reply #40 on:** September 27, 2011, 06:07:18 pm »

I thought David Foley was in jail? Apparently, the reports of his demise were greatly exaggerated.

lodoss118 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 28, 2011, 05:17:38 am »

hmm i think he got bailed out 100k

lodoss118 · « **Reply #42 on:** September 29, 2011, 04:22:03 pm »

will make a video on weekend but it seems like a ok product.

Nephasth · « **Reply #43 on:** September 29, 2011, 04:41:08 pm »

You already got it?

D_Struct · « **Reply #44 on:** September 29, 2011, 04:51:56 pm »

I'll be picking one of the Top Gun III once they come back in stock. I've been looking for a solid light gun for my cab.

DCsegaDH · « **Reply #45 on:** September 29, 2011, 05:40:38 pm »

Where is it sold at?

Edit: Never mind, it's on the EMS website. I thinking about getting two for my next project, a custom sit down candy cabinet.

AndyWarne · « **Reply #46 on:** October 01, 2011, 09:20:01 am »

Quote from: lodoss118 on September 27, 2011, 05:16:52 pm

lol the thing is the ultimarc usb gun is supposed to be somewhat different so i might get that from mr david foley aswell, i did try to get him to send me some software
but seems like he was not budging.

This ems topgun 3 will do a review when i get it.

Just like to make it clear that we are absolutely nothing to do with David Foley!

Looking at the instructions they seem to have stuck with the original design concept which is basically a Guncon device (resolution of only 512 x 256) which uses drivers on a PC to convert to PC mouse.

Nephasth · « **Reply #47 on:** October 04, 2011, 10:28:57 pm »

Quote from: lodoss118 on September 29, 2011, 04:22:03 pm

will make a video on weekend but it seems like a ok product.

Bump...?

Martijn · « **Reply #48 on:** October 05, 2011, 05:45:56 am »

Quote from: AndyWarne on October 01, 2011, 09:20:01 am

Quote from: lodoss118 on September 27, 2011, 05:16:52 pm
lol the thing is the ultimarc usb gun is supposed to be somewhat different so i might get that from mr david foley aswell, i did try to get him to send me some software
but seems like he was not budging.

This ems topgun 3 will do a review when i get it.

Just like to make it clear that we are absolutely nothing to do with David Foley!

Looking at the instructions they seem to have stuck with the original design concept which is basically a Guncon device (resolution of only 512 x 256) which uses drivers on a PC to convert to PC mouse.

what resolution does your gun have then? and whats the main difference? for example ps2 and xbox 1 games

lodoss118 · « **Reply #49 on:** October 05, 2011, 08:42:40 am »

sorry guys been busy at work, will have something soon.

Dartful Dodger · « **Reply #50 on:** October 05, 2011, 02:25:32 pm »

Quote from: AndyWarne on October 01, 2011, 09:20:01 am

Just like to make it clear that we are absolutely nothing to do with David Foley!

This reminded me of a SNL skit:

Ted Koppel: Why are you willing to do this?

Saddam Hussein: Because chemical weapons are a key part of my plan for global genocide? And that plan starts with wiping out the entire U.S. pouplation with anthrax!

Ted Koppel: Very strong words, sir!

Saddam Hussein: Also, at this time, I'd like to take a moment to say "Hi!" to my good, dear, dear friend -- and mayor of New York City -- Rudy Giuliani!

[ cut to Gracie Mansion, as Giuliani watches "Nightline" ]

Mayor Rudolph Giuliani: What the hell?!

[ the phone rings immediately;]

Giuliani answers: Hello? Yes, I just saw it. No, I don't know him!

[ he hangs up angrily ]

Lilwolf · « **Reply #51 on:** October 06, 2011, 07:02:59 am »

Them's fight'n words!

Quote from: AndyWarne on October 01, 2011, 09:20:01 am

Quote from: lodoss118 on September 27, 2011, 05:16:52 pm
lol the thing is the ultimarc usb gun is supposed to be somewhat different so i might get that from mr david foley aswell, i did try to get him to send me some software
but seems like he was not budging.

This ems topgun 3 will do a review when i get it.

Just like to make it clear that we are absolutely nothing to do with David Foley!

Looking at the instructions they seem to have stuck with the original design concept which is basically a Guncon device (resolution of only 512 x 256) which uses drivers on a PC to convert to PC mouse.

lodoss118 · « **Reply #52 on:** October 06, 2011, 04:10:33 pm »

Hi guys lol i tried making a video today but for some reason the reload was not working but here is the video

ark_ader · « **Reply #53 on:** October 06, 2011, 04:41:01 pm »

OK, so you still have to stand back about six feet from the monitor?

How is the calibration? Is it similar to the Topgun2 and is the plastic bars required for tracking?

Looks cool, shame about the reloading - I'm sure that gets old playing HOTD.

PS/2 USB and Xbox1 interfaces as standard?

Nephasth · « **Reply #54 on:** October 06, 2011, 05:16:29 pm »

Recoil looks cool. How's the weight of the gun? And what are your overall thoughts on it?

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #55 on:** October 06, 2011, 06:28:01 pm »

Do NOT use the laser when playing a game. Its for calibration use Only.

The laser can bounce back into your eyes, and can do permanent damages.

RandyT · « **Reply #56 on:** October 06, 2011, 07:05:33 pm »

Quote from: Xiaou2 on October 06, 2011, 06:28:01 pm

Do NOT use the laser when playing a game. Its for calibration use Only.

The laser can bounce back into your eyes, and can do permanent damages.

I wouldn't worry about this too much. A CRT screen will only kick back about 4%, since the inside is phosphor coated. Probably not enough to do any serious damage. That number also goes down if there is an anti-reflective coating, which is used on higher end monitors and televisions.

It looks like the tracking was pretty snappy, and the LED configuration seems better than the bars used on the TG2. Do you have the old one to compare the performance to? Does it seem laggy at all? That was the biggest complaint with the older model (well, that and the distance required.) The tracking was pretty accurate, but always about a half second behind your aim.

lodoss118 · « **Reply #57 on:** October 07, 2011, 04:21:52 pm »

I never had the old the model, I think it performs the same as the topgun2. When playing the hotd games it seems pretty responsive the button trigger would be better with a micro switch though.

shateredsoul1979 · « **Reply #58 on:** October 07, 2011, 06:52:32 pm »

I'm sure it's difficult and impossible but I really wish someone would develop the technology that would allow light gun shooters without sensors.

Martijn · « **Reply #59 on:** October 08, 2011, 06:52:10 am »

Quote from: shateredsoul1979 on October 07, 2011, 06:52:32 pm

I'm sure it's difficult and impossible but I really wish someone would develop the technology that would allow light gun shooters without sensors.

Lilwolf · « **Reply #60 on:** October 08, 2011, 07:09:12 am »

quick note... Put the LCD's on the top and bottom instead of the size. It will allow you to get closer.

You need to be within 2 1/2 times the distance from each side. So you want the smaller of the sides.

btw, do you nice a lag? like if there was a mouse showing, and you move the gun around quickly, is the mouse always trying to keep up?

lettuce · « **Reply #61 on:** October 08, 2011, 07:31:43 am »

I thought the Wiimote was a good sub for a light gun??

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #62 on:** October 08, 2011, 09:05:17 am »

Quote

btw, do you nice a lag? like if there was a mouse showing, and you move the gun around quickly, is the mouse always trying to keep up?

The Topguns were not made for games like T2, which would require realtime tracking speed.

Instead, it checks every so often.. but when you press the trigger, Im sure that no matter where/when it last was, the thing turns the tracking on immediately and fires in the correct spot.

I had no trouble with shot accuracy on mine.

shateredsoul1979 · « **Reply #63 on:** October 08, 2011, 09:42:09 pm »

Quote from: Martijn on October 08, 2011, 06:52:10 am

Quote from: shateredsoul1979 on October 07, 2011, 06:52:32 pm
I'm sure it's difficult and impossible but I really wish someone would develop the technology that would allow light gun shooters without sensors.

on lcd tvs :'(

AndyWarne · « **Reply #64 on:** October 09, 2011, 07:03:50 pm »

Quote from: lettuce on October 08, 2011, 07:31:43 am

I thought the Wiimote was a good sub for a light gun??

It depends on what you are looking for. If you just need something to move cross-hairs around on the screen then it does that. But for a gun which can be accurately calibrated to give line-of-sight firing and be used reasonably close to the screen then it wont be sufficient.

shateredsoul1979 · « **Reply #65 on:** October 09, 2011, 09:28:34 pm »

Hey Andy, so when are you going to start selling fully built aimtraks with recoil?

D_Struct · « **Reply #66 on:** October 18, 2011, 05:25:53 pm »

Picked up a Top Gun 3, and the trigger broke within the first 3 hours of use.

All of the other buttons still register, but the trigger stopped, and the recoil doesn't respond.

Not sure if I want to take the time to open it up and see if it's something simple, or if I just want to send it back and wait on the slow boat from China to bring me another one.

D_Struct · « **Reply #67 on:** October 18, 2011, 05:35:19 pm »

I appreciate the advice, but I'd rather do it on the up and up. I'm honest, to a fault.

D_Struct · « **Reply #68 on:** October 18, 2011, 09:46:35 pm »

To follow up, I pulled the barrel off, and found that the top (internal) part of the trigger, where it makes contact with the button, had snapped off somehow.

I'm pretty bummed, as I was really pleased with it for the little time I had it. It honestly worked for only a few hours before breaking.

I've got no other choice but to send it back and hope for a better outcome with a replacement.

aljupy · « **Reply #69 on:** October 19, 2011, 02:19:50 pm »

Quote from: lodoss118 on October 07, 2011, 04:21:52 pm

I never had the old the model, I think it performs the same as the topgun2. When playing the hotd games it seems pretty responsive the button trigger would be better with a micro switch though.

I attach a program called "MOUSERATECHECKER" It is to measure the response of mice, very useful for gamers.

just download it, unzip it, (it is so simple that doesn‘ t need install), and when the program runs, it will ask you to move your mouse pointer over its window, so it will rate its refresh. it is very useful to rate mice for gamers....
just do it with your topgun 3 and please, post results.

I remember a few years ago Topgun1 gave me an average between 55 and 60, same than a guncon, RF topgun gave 40 (because cheap wireless), and wiimote gave 500 (because 1Mp cam gives smooth, but lag of wiimote is still like ALL lightguns..... 15 or 20 ms to react.

Please tell results of your topgun3 here, an average of 50 or 60 will be Superb

-Best Regards

cybermat · « **Reply #70 on:** January 08, 2012, 04:38:17 pm »

I tried this tool with Topgun 3 and i get 30-33 hz of average.

I calibrated it a lot of times, same result and same problems like the old ones, the corners. I placed the leds horizontally and the corner more distant from the led is the less precise.

Anyway i'm happy with it, i knew that it was not the PERFECT product and i bought it knowing that. Aimtrak costs the double and sincerely i just want to own a decent Lightgun, no mamecab, just some sessions and have fun without spending a lot. And Wireless is very helpful for me, because the pc is in the other room and i play with Tv out in dinner room where i have more space. So wireless solution is perfect for me.

Afterburner · « **Reply #71 on:** January 09, 2012, 08:50:28 pm »

I have one of the original TopGun 1 models, and even with the LED bars taped directly above and below the 17" CRT monitor I was using, I still had to stand back 6-7 feet. Sounds like that has not improved.

I was considering buying just the aimtrak guts and stuffing them into the TopGun so that I could keep the recoil and some of the other functions. I really liked the features of the TopGun....too bad the performance was so poor.

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #72 on:** January 09, 2012, 08:54:29 pm »

People have had excellent success with mounting a wide angle lens on the Topgun's, to drastically
reduce the distance from the screen.

I imagine it would work with any of these type of guns. Though, I dont know why it isnt sold that way by default.
All arcade light-guns use lenses.

Afterburner · « **Reply #73 on:** January 12, 2012, 08:36:55 pm »

I remember reading somewhere (on this board I think) about someone who was considering using the lens from a cell phone camera on the TopGun, but I never did hear of the results.

When you say "excellent success", does that mean you can stand 2 feet back instead of 6 ft?

bkenobi · « **Reply #74 on:** January 13, 2012, 11:39:42 am »

Someone posted a video of a Top Gun with the aforementioned lens stuffed on the end. The video showed a comparison of with and without the lens displaying accuracy and distance from the screen. It's been a while, but as I recall there was a distinct improvement in distance without any notable loss in accuracy.

Gryzor · « **Reply #75 on:** February 15, 2012, 02:32:37 pm »

Guys, can anyone confirm that you can place the sensors on the horizontal sides to shorten the distance? My cab is in a pretty cramped space and even this would mean that with my screen (upper and lower sides 40cm apart) I would need 80cm at least to use it... How bad is accuracy if you go closer?

Thanks!

ark_ader · « **Reply #76 on:** February 15, 2012, 04:05:06 pm »

On Top Gun 2's I could never get it to calibrate properly or have the guns work a shorter distance.

What difference is there between the Top Gun 3 and the Top Gun 2?

Dartful Dodger · « **Reply #77 on:** May 02, 2012, 05:17:48 pm »

You can buy these on Amazon now.

I read throug hthis thread and can't find any solid reviews.

Who has them?
How long have you been using them?
Do they still work?

Are they any good?


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Author Topic: EMS Top Gun 3 Released - !!!!!Updated!!!!! (Read 34977 times)

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