Y-Plus Controller

[D_Harris]

By completely I mean if I'm playing Arkanoid, I can close the game and start up Asteroids without having to re-wire or re-program anything).

This is the part you are really confusing yourself on. MAME is configurable so you don't have to have the input for Arkanoid's 'fire' button set to a mouse button; in MAME's options menu, you set it to a keyboard key (ie. whatever you've mapped one of your Asteroids buttons to). You do not need an interface that even supports mouse buttons; the inputs marked 'mouse 1' and 'mouse 2' on the old mini-pac were a bit misleading as they actually refer to 2 of the numpad keys which act as mouse buttons when using the 'mousekeys' feature in windows.

So, you're options are either:
- Contact Andy at Ultimarc and ask for a harness to fit, or
- connect wires from your spinner directly to the appropriate pin-outs using my old modified mini-pac diagram below, or
- buy a spinner with it's own USB interface and cable (eg. TT2 from GGG or Tornado from Ultimarc)



Simple as that.

I know all of that...

Again, I've spoken to Andy and he sent another e-mail letting me know what specific harness I need.

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

[D_Harris]

I can't believe I'm still trying to help.  It seems unwanted but I'll still post it.

If you click the link that Andy sent you, it shows another link on the page.  Click it and scroll down to see this:


Replacement harness for older Mini-PAC    Price: $19.00       ADD ITEM TO CART

You're welcome.  Though I know you won't order that or will say it doesn't answer your question or whatever your excuse is now....

I've already done that, thanks to Andy being clear about what I needed.

Both harnesses is the answer.  Or wiring them without harnesses.  Since you are only using a small number of buttons, wiring them by hand as opposed to the harness may safe money at the expense of a little time.

I'm still right to say both harnesses.  No matter how much you don't or can't believe it, if you're hooking up buttons AND an optical control to the Mini-pac, whether it's used, new, old style, new style, or does hand stands while you post about it for years on end without doing anything, it doesn't change the answer.   

Don't get your panties in an uproar. I never contradicted your answer.(Even though it is still not the answer to my question). And no matter how many times I ask for a pointer to the specific harness(or harnesses) I need in this thread I get responses that have nothing to do with that question. So I might as well move on.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

Well what do you know. I just checked my e-mail and had a response back from Andy.

This is the older board and had a combined switch and trackball/spinner harness. If you need the harness, these can be ordered on this page: www.ultimarc.com/upgrade.html

Andy

So apparently you are wrong about me needing two harnesses... (Unfortunately the link Andy gave me was incorrect).

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

It's arguing semantics, but it's two harnesses that terminate at one end. One harness goes to your spinner (that you won't connect anyway) and the other end goes to the buttons (that you will post about for years yet never doing anything about).  The other end plugs into the Mini-pac.  I see it as a harness for the optical and one for the switches/buttons.   

It is not arguing semantics. If I had listened to you I'd have picked up two harnesses. And they would have both been incorrect for my Mini-PAC...

All the other info I didn't ask about was unnecessary.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

[Hoopz]

I didn't realize that Andy created two new harnesses when the Mini-pac moved to the new board.

[Turnarcades]

You want help, people will elaborate as even the simplest question tends to lead to more. It's the nature of these boards as experienced users want to help, but only if you keep the attitude in check.

[D_Harris]

You want help, people will elaborate as even the simplest question tends to lead to more. It's the nature of these boards as experienced users want to help, but only if you keep the attitude in check.

I agree people will tend to elaborate, but when their answers don't address the actual question it become a waste of time.

As for the attitudes, I assume you are referring to those "Audi Chick" remarks or the sarcasm from Hoopz, correct?

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

[Havok]

I agree people will tend to elaborate, but when their answers don't address the actual question it become a waste of time.

As for the attitudes, I assume you are referring to those "Audi Chick" remarks or the sarcasm from Hoopz, correct?

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

Pretty sure that he means YOUR attitude, hence the response from Hoopz and myself, and of course, the Audi chick.

[D_Harris]

I agree people will tend to elaborate, but when their answers don't address the actual question it become a waste of time.

As for the attitudes, I assume you are referring to those "Audi Chick" remarks or the sarcasm from Hoopz, correct?

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

Pretty sure that he means YOUR attitude, hence the response from Hoopz and myself, and of course, the Audi chick.

I couldn't be my attitude, since I wasn't sarcastic and didn't make any statements geared toward belittling anyone as you did.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

[Havok]

I couldn't be my attitude, since I was sarcastic and didn't make any statements geared toward belittling anyone as you did.

You might want to take a hard look in the mirror there. No statements belittling, eh? Let's review:

I agree people will tend to elaborate, but when their answers don't address the actual question it become a waste of time.

So, people take the time out to answer your question, and since your question involves more than just a yes or no, when it doesn't match exactly what you are looking for, it's a waste of time? You know what - you're absolutely right; however it's a waste of the person answering your question's time to be more specific.

Don't get your panties in an uproar.

Not belittling, however insulting.

no matter how many times I ask for a pointer to the specific harness(or harnesses) I need in this thread I get responses that have nothing to do with that question. So I might as well move on.

Here's where the attitude comes in. And by the way, your question was answered, you just didn't understand the answer. However, it was answered in the context of BYOAC - (that stands for Build Your Own Arcade Controls, in case you weren't aware). I guess you thought you were on PIYAC - Plug in Your Arcade Controls.

All the other info I didn't ask about was unnecessary.

More attitude...

You see the problem here is that you post asking for help, it is offered, and suddenly you respond as if you know it all, and these people are wasting your time with "unnecessary information" and not answering the question you asked.

[D_Harris]

I couldn't be my attitude, since I was sarcastic and didn't make any statements geared toward belittling anyone as you did.

You might want to take a hard look in the mirror there. No statements belittling, eh? Let's review:

I agree people will tend to elaborate, but when their answers don't address the actual question it become a waste of time.

So, people take the time out to answer your question, and since your question involves more than just a yes or no, when it doesn't match exactly what you are looking for, it's a waste of time? You know what - you're absolutely right; however it's a waste of the person answering your question's time to be more specific.

In that respect, it is a waste of your time and my time... The question was not complex. The answer need not have been more than a pointer to the exact harness I needed in order to get the control panel I posted a picture of (twice) to work. If you didn't know the answer then why waste your time and my time with the sarcasm?

The question that was answered was whether or not I needed to re-wire or re-program between games.(Thanks Hoopz).

Don't get your panties in an uproar.

Not belittling, however insulting.

Funny how you over looked the insults directed at me from three posters before I made that statement...

no matter how many times I ask for a pointer to the specific harness(or harnesses) I need in this thread I get responses that have nothing to do with that question. So I might as well move on.

Here's where the attitude comes in. And by the way, your question was answered, you just didn't understand the answer. However, it was answered in the context of BYOAC - (that stands for Build Your Own Arcade Controls, in case you weren't aware). I guess you thought you were on PIYAC - Plug in Your Arcade Controls.

That made no sense at all. Why don't you point out where the question was answered?

And that was not an "attitude". That was my attempt to diffuse the issue.

All the other info I didn't ask about was unnecessary.

More attitude...

No it wasn't. It was a statement of fact. I knew most of what was said that didn't answer my question.

You see the problem here is that you post asking for help, it is offered, and suddenly you respond as if you know it all,

Now that would be considered an outright lie.

and these people are wasting your time with "unnecessary information" and not answering the question you asked.

I don't know what world you live in but it has nothing to do with reality.

Question: What harness do I need to get my "X" control panel to work?

So the challenge is for you to search this thread and find where this question was correctly answered before I got that answer from Andy... (I won't hold my breath).

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

[Havok]

Now you're wasting my time, however the challenge has been issued, and I will respond.

Your question was answered completely by replies 29 and 30, timestamped as follows:

« Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 11:14:01 PM »
« Reply #30 on: Today at 05:14:13 AM »

Seriously though - you should ask Andy from Ultimarc if he has any of the old harnesses left, or you could buy a new one and cut it. Connect the trackball and spinner side, and then connect those wires to the appropriate connections on the mini-pac. Just grab an old IDE cable and cut it to get the correct pin connections to plug into the mini-pac. However, make sure you get one that has all 40 pins available, or see if you can do without the one that is normally filled in for keying purposes.

Done.

If you're talking optical controls like a trackball, I've successfully used my older minipac to interface my Happs trackball no problem.

I got the switch harness with the setup, but I made my own trackball harness out of a non keyed usb motherboard header block. Just your basic 10 pin block. This block plugs into the extra, smaller group of pins on your minipac, providing power and ground to your trackball. The X,Y signals actually go to the wiring harness pins on the switch harness.

Your post stating that Andy answered your question isn't until reply #40:
« Reply #40 on: Today at 12:25:29 PM »

I win.

Once again, I state what is obvious to others on this board - the question was answered in a BYOAC context. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean you can act condescending since we didn't give you a SKU number from a website...

You may now exhale.

 

[Turnarcades]

I wouldn't bother H and H; you both got a good rep and have contributed plenty to this site and hobby. This fella ain't. Nuff said.

[D_Harris]

Now you're wasting my time, however the challenge has been issued, and I will respond.

Your question was answered completely by replies 29 and 30, timestamped as follows:

« Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 11:14:01 PM »
« Reply #30 on: Today at 05:14:13 AM »

Seriously though - you should ask Andy from Ultimarc if he has any of the old harnesses left, or you could buy a new one and cut it. Connect the trackball and spinner side, and then connect those wires to the appropriate connections on the mini-pac. Just grab an old IDE cable and cut it to get the correct pin connections to plug into the mini-pac. However, make sure you get one that has all 40 pins available, or see if you can do without the one that is normally filled in for keying purposes.

Done.

If you're talking optical controls like a trackball, I've successfully used my older minipac to interface my Happs trackball no problem.

I got the switch harness with the setup, but I made my own trackball harness out of a non keyed usb motherboard header block. Just your basic 10 pin block. This block plugs into the extra, smaller group of pins on your minipac, providing power and ground to your trackball. The X,Y signals actually go to the wiring harness pins on the switch harness.

Your post stating that Andy answered your question isn't until reply #40:
« Reply #40 on: Today at 12:25:29 PM »

I win.

No you don't. How did you miss post #34?

And I responded that an IDE cable was a non-option and had already stated that I had yet to get an answer from Andy concerning the exact harness or harnesses I needed...

Once again, I state what is obvious to others on this board - the question was answered in a BYOAC context. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean you can act condescending since we didn't give you a SKU number from a website...

You cannot speak for "others on this board". And how did you become an authority on "BYOAC context"? I understood everything. You did not understand what I was asking. And even though we traded jabs in this discussion, Hoopz(who did answer a couple of other questions I had) knew I was trying to figure out which of Andy's harnesses I needed.

In fact, before your first post in this thread I mentioned to Hoopz that I had yet to receive an answer from Andy.(And answer to the exact harness I needed, which he later finally gave me a link for).

You may now exhale.

 

After you.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

[Havok]

Haha - I'm out. No matter the fact I point out a solution was given, you insist it wasn't.

As far as the BYOAC context - it's pretty simple. Sound out what each word is, and concentrate on the letter B word. BTW - I can speak for others on the board - I've received a number of PM's from people not even involved in the thread on the subject.

Anyways, so long and thanks for all fish...

[wweumina]

I don't think someone who thinks he has to re-wire or re-program when switching from Arkanoid to Asteroids is in a position to complain about too much information.

[D_Harris]

I don't think someone who thinks he has to re-wire or re-program when switching from Arkanoid to Asteroids is in a position to complain about too much information.

You don't think...

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.