1000 Reasons not to vote for GW

[fredster]

Hmm... a shortage of English speaking doctors in England??  

 No, I was speaking of Canada. The complaints I heard were that the english speaking people were having trouble communicating with the French speaking doctors.  They didn't like that.

I don't understand the battle in Canada over the French/English thing myself.

...large group of doctor's that DO NOT go to the States to work.  As Money isn't everything... Quality of Life, both personal & business means alot...

 
Money isn't everything, I agree.

It's about 82

[GGKoul]

No, I was speaking of Canada. The complaints I heard were that the english speaking people were having trouble communicating with the French speaking doctors.  They didn't like that.

I don't understand the battle in Canada over the French/English thing myself.

If you live in a rural area of Quebec, then you'll have this problem.  As everywhere outside of Quebec, the 1st language is English.  I do not know of a 100% French speaking doctor.

French/English thing:   Inside of Quebec,  90% French Speaking, 30% French ONLY, they will not actknowledge you if you speak English to them.  And its @ 30% want to separate from Canada and become their own Nation.  Quebec recieve the largest amount of Federal aid then any other province.  So a lot of people in Western Canada don't think that fair and want equal payments for all provinces.  

The issue is sumed up like this... Federal Government gives Quebec alot of breaks.  Usually in order to stop the separation talk.  IE: Distinct Society clause... But they still are not happy and want more... and the other provinces say enough is enough...

Also there is the "French Language Police"  If I own a store, there signage outside my store has to be 90% French which the French writing has to be bigger then any English writing.  So in downtown Montreal, where the largest population of english speaking people in Quebec live (@30% are English only, and the rest are French first & English second speaking)  The store owners can only have French signage outside their store.  And if they put any English in the front of the store, they get a fine and have to change to french only.

Money isn't everything, I agree.

It's about 82

[fredster]

That's funny.  We have to use Spanish, but it's only to sell things.  If you don't use spanish, then you don't sell as much.  I get upset when I have to deal with spanish at an ATM or in instructions.

I've been to Detroit and didn't like the weather.  I can't believe that you don't get that much snow.  I lived in Indiana and couldn't stand the winter and had too much snow.  It was way too cold.

I like one season, the warm one.  I had a roommate who loved winter.  I could never understand that.  I live too far north now.  If it wasn't for Hurricanes and my industry, I'd move to FLA.

[GGKoul]

I've been to Detroit and didn't like the weather.  I can't believe that you don't get that much snow.  I lived in Indiana and couldn't stand the winter and had too much snow.  It was way too cold.

Buffalo gets more snow then my area does.  

One thing for sure, when I was younger, we had lots of snow from December til March.  But now with global warning, I'm lucky to have a white Christmas... as we start getting good amounts of snow is January and Febuary and a freck snowstorm in March.  That's about it....

[GGKoul]

Can we let this thread fade away now.....  

[DrewKaree]

Can we let this thread fade away now.....  

No  

Now that you're talking weather, both you goons must have missed the whole "by a big friggen body of water that helps with the whole snow" thingy.

I had beans for lunch, and bought a twelve pack of pencils for my son.  (go ahead, try to argue with THAT line!)

[GGKoul]

Now that you're talking weather, both you goons must have missed the whole "by a big friggen body of water that helps with the whole snow" thingy.

If the winter winds blow east to west across Lake Ontario, the area I live in gets lots of snow... if the wind blow west to east across Lake Erie, Buffalo gets lots of snow.  Usually the winter winds blow weat to east.

I had beans for lunch, and bought a twelve pack of pencils for my son.  (go ahead, try to argue with THAT line!)

I actually had Maple Syrup Baked Beans the other day... I love beans.. Bought my wife Sims2, and she's addicted to it, as soon as she comes home from work, she's on the computer playing Sims2.  Which forces me to eat Baked Beans out of a can for dinner...

[DrewKaree]

If the winter winds blow east to west across Lake Ontario, the area I live in gets lots of snow... if the wind blow west to east across Lake Erie, Buffalo gets lots of snow.  Usually the winter winds blow weat to east.

so you agree with my flawless line of reasoning, eh?!

I had beans for lunch, and bought a twelve pack of pencils for my son.  (go ahead, try to argue with THAT line!)

I actually had Maple Syrup Baked Beans the other day... I love beans.. Bought my wife Sims2, and she's addicted to it, as soon as she comes home from work, she's on the computer playing Sims2.  Which forces me to eat Baked Beans out of a can for dinner...

that's not even an argument....and I feel I can safely infer that you not only agree with my Beans position, but you want to promote it with me to the rest of the world

Beans in 2004

[Mameotron]

Well, would you look at what I found while stumbling around the internet this morning...

http://democrats4bush.com/

I also went to that site where people keep pulling all kinds of stats to defend their arguments, and I can't believe what I found.

Percentage of registered voters who actually vote:

3.  Australia, 94.9%  (Danny, I'm impressed!!!!)

The rest of us are lumped at the bottom:
101.  United States, 63.8%
109.  Canada, 61.2 %
115.  France, 60.3%
118.  United Kingdom, 59.4 %

[Dartful Dodger]

Well, would you look at what I found while stumbling around the internet this morning...

http://democrats4bush.com/

I also went to that site where people keep pulling all kinds of stats to defend their arguments, and I can't believe what I found.

Percentage of registered voters who actually vote:

3.  Australia, 94.9%  (Danny, I'm impressed!!!!)

The rest of us are lumped at the bottom:
101.  United States, 63.8%
109.  Canada, 61.2 %
115.  France, 60.3%
118.  United Kingdom, 59.4 %

Doesn't Australia make everyone vote, whether they know who's running or not?  

"That man's name is easy to pronounce, so I'll vote for him."

[DrewKaree]

Doesn't Australia make everyone vote, whether they know who's running or not?  

"That man's name is easy to pronounce, so I'll vote for him."

Savuul is FAR from easy to pronounce.  That's a mischaracterization!

Oh, and I'll add - How can you not have 100% when everyone who can vote is required to do so, under penalty of *cough*somewhatstiff*cough* law?

Does that mean the criminals aren't voting?  How will they ever keep guns off the street and other such inane things?  

[Mameotron]

Oh, and I'll add - How can you not have 100% when everyone who can vote is required to do so, under penalty of *cough*somewhatstiff*cough* law?

Does that mean the criminals aren't voting?  How will they ever keep guns off the street and other such inane things?  

That's right, I forgot (quote from movie) "and as everyone knows, Australia is entirely peopled with criminals".

Edit: (fun natured jest)(sarcasm)(I will NOT give in to the smilies!!)

Latest Edit:  Aww, it turns out Drew isn't actually being a smartass...(I know, hard to believe)
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/dem_com_vot_enf

I didn't realize voting was compulsary in Austrailia.  What's that all about?

[fredster]

I don't know how you would enforce it.

It would make the polls for the likely voters a little more correct.

Where is Danny_Galaga now that we need real info?

Dan, how do you vote?  How long do you have to vote?  1 day or a week or what?

What happens if you don't vote?  Who doesn't get to vote?

[fredster]

Danny the questions are:
Dan, how do you vote?  How long do you have to vote?  1 day or a week or what?
What happens if you don't vote?  Who doesn't get to vote?

Here's a take on why we shouldn't have compulsory voting :
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/23/60minutes/rooney/main645197.shtml

[Lilwolf]

Just to pop into the end of a long thread.

About healthcare... I like Nadders statements.

About Full Healthcare - "When people say we can't afford it, I have to say that we already do."

We already pay for healthcare (at least the majority of the country who can afford it).

The question is if the government could do a better job of administering.

I believe they could.  If only to force pricing and buying meds in mass.  And if private companies wont produce medicans for the government... then the government can make them (they really can).  I'm not talking about making them sell products for nothing..  But make sure that they do two things.

1) Sell medicans to US citizens for the same as the sell abroad.   If we need to help countries out who can afford items (like aids medicans) it shouldn't be the drug companies but the government doing it.  

2) Sell ALL medicans which where the developement was funded by the US tax payers.. That the drugs will be sold for cost + a small percentage.  Its AMAZING the amount of government funded development items that companies buy the 100% production rights... and are making billions with NO risk at all!


Also, with part of this should come medical insurance reform.  

I believe that we should try to get more doctors.  And give them more time with each patient.   Remove the malpractice insurance costs 100% from the doctors.  Then if a doctor is a problem, we remove them from practice, or send them to jail.  

One of the problems with malpractice insurance is its getting SO expensive that doctors can't spend the time on each patient that they should because of the cost of doing business and the number of people who they need to see.

But part of this, they should have some limits on what they are legally allowed to do.  They SHOULD make enought money that people want to be doctors.  And they SHOULD be able to make that money looking at few enought patients that is safe (for their patients, and for their own sanity).

We have more lawyers in the US right now then doctors and this sucks.

Now... what do we do with all these new lawyers?  I have no idea.  But not this topic.  But if any major reform happens.   We can't just expect put millions of lawysers out of business just because we change how things work.  They spent thousands on school to have a job.  

The real trouble with government controlled hosiptols is the very very expensive procedures which aren't that reliable.... or saving people who are in their 90s who might really die a year later.

that and who pays for Breast enlargements and Viagra??

[Dartful Dodger]

official campaigning goes for a number of weeks (can't quite think if it's 3 or 6 weeks). elections are held on a saturday. normally takes about half an hour out of my life once every three years. i think thats pretty good value to have a government that is accountable to ALL types of people...

That's nice, you don't spend any time figuring out whos the best man/woman for the job, just the half hour needed to push buttons and pull levers in a booth.  At least the odds are you'll elect the right person once every 6 years.

[fredster]

That's nice Dan.

Here in TN we can start voting 2 weeks before an election with early voting.  I usually beat the rush and vote at lunch time the week before.  It makes it very convienent.

Do you really think that China is releasing all the info you should know?  Besides, if you break a law there, you don't get out.  So IF the stats are even close to being true, the repeat offenders is very very low.

Comparing Communist countries to free democracies is comparing oranges to chalk. The only simularities in the governments is that they have boundries and there are people there.  Otherwise, it's lacking.  

You failed to note that Austrailia leads the list of most crime victims.  Maybe you should re-think the prison thing.

You didn't finish.  What happens if you don't vote?  Do you get to go to prison so you don't have to vote for 5 years?

Most states allow prisoners to vote after doing their time.  Some can vote in Prison.

The article from Andy Rooney (which you didn't read) says that if you aren't smart enough to deal with the issues, then don't vote.  If you don't understand politics, then please, don't vote, it screws it up for the rest of us.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Why Bush Will Lose In November.

1) In 2000, he lost the popular vote. Republicans traditionally vote every election in greater numbers than Democrats (33% or higher) and Bush still couldn't pull it off. With record numbers of newly registered voters throughout the U.S., I think it's safe to say the vast majority of them or going to vote democrat. Apathy will not be a factor this election. Why do you think Republicans have traditionally never cared for 'voter registration' drives....they only help the Democrats.
2) Anybody But Bush. How bad does a president have to be in order to fully motivate an entire contingent of people who would rather vote for a stone than vote for the incumbent president? I think this speaks to Bush's failures and not to Kerry's shortcomings, thus people that wouldn't have normally voted will be voting this year, against Bush.
3) Howard Stern. 8+ million listeners w/ family & friends, 'nuff said.
4) Nader Factor Nil. Nader will not be a factor this election, at all. People voting for him wouldn't vote for any establishment candidate anyhow. He's no longer a "protest vote" as most Americans realize the stakes are high (ie: minimal undecideds)
5) No incumbent polling at or near 50% has ever won re-election.
6) Minorities unite to create majority. Gays, Blacks, Latino, Arab Americans...all leaning heavily towards Kerry.
7) Iraq in chaos, Colonel calls "unmitgated disaster". Will only get worse before election.

"From a purely military standpoint, the war in Iraq is an unmitigated disaster. This administration failed to make even a cursory effort at adequately defining the political end state they sought to achieve by removing Saddam Hussein, making it impossible to precisely define long-term military success. That, in turn, makes it impossible to lay out a rational exit strategy for U.S. troops. Like Vietnam, the military is again being asked to clean up the detritus of a failed foreign policy. We are nose-deep in a protracted insurgency, an occupying Christian power in an oil-rich, Arab country. That country is not now and has never been a single nation. A single, unified, democratic Iraq comprised of Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis is a willfully ignorant illusion at best." --- Retired Air Force Col. Mike Turner is a former military planner who served on the U.S. Central Command planning staff for operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Sept, 24th 2004.

There are a ton of other little factors that when added together point to a tremendous groundswell of voter turnout against Bush. I'm predicting, right here, that unless we see monumental voting fraud, we're looking at a landslide victory for Kerry. Nothing I have seen leads me to worry about Bush's chances in this election (other than Diebold voting fraud). I'm not even convinced that a Bin Laden "October Suprise" capture would do much for Bush, as even the administration seems to be making Zarqawi the new hotness...

If you are a Bush supporter, it all boils down to one simple question...Do you think Bush has pleased more people than he has utterly pissed off?

Enjoy!
mrC

[GGKoul]

Why Bush Will Lose In November.
3) Howard Stern. 8+ million listeners w/ family & friends, 'nuff said.

I hope the all of his listeners go out and vote.

[fredster]

Ok.  Landslide is 60%.

50% say he is gooding a good job. 45% say he isn't.  5% want pie.
(it vacilates between 47-52% week to week)

Clinton won on 50% in '96.  

I can't wait for the debates.  It's Bush's campaign to loose in this case.  

[Dartful Dodger]

Why Bush Will Lose In November.
3) Howard Stern. 8+ million listeners w/ family & friends, 'nuff said.

I hope the all of his listeners go out and vote.

I hope that all of his listeners get their GED and go out and find a job.

[GGKoul]

Regardless.. Howard Stern is No#1 in a bunch of major cities and he's getting people who have never voted... to vote... Plus the majority of the people he's getting to vote are going to vote for Kerry.




 

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I hope that all of his listeners get their GED and go out and find a job.

...and you people on the right accuse us lefties of being elitist. Jesus. How's that latte taste DD?

[shmokes]

GGKoul, I think you'd better start preparing yourself emotionally.  It's a lost cause.  I don't care how many people Howard Stern gets to vote.  Bush is obviously going to win.  Right now the most you can hope for is for Sandra Day O'Conner to stick around for another four years.

And I suppose the Dems could take control of the senate.  That would cusion the blow of O'Conner retiring a little bit, I guess.

[DrewKaree]

any of you guys typing from prison?  

*sheepishly raises his hand

I'm predicting, right here, that unless we see monumental voting fraud, we're looking at a landslide victory for Kerry.

If you are a Bush supporter, it all boils down to one simple question...Do you think Bush has pleased more people than he has utterly pissed off?
mrC

I'm predicting, right here, that unless we DON'T see monumental voting fraud, Kerry will lose.  I don't care if it's by a landslide or by 1 vote (actually, if it were by 1 vote, that'd be SO sweet to see his supporters stew and whine about cheating for another 4 years)

As for boiling it down for all us Bush supporters, I think we can all see how your logic is so great as to be unchallengeable   and we shouldn't even bother to turn out to vote.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I'm predicting, right here, that unless we DON'T see monumental voting fraud, Kerry will lose.

You know what, you righty-tighties need to get your own arguments. Stealing elections, stealing stock holders money, workers pensions....now arguments. Have you no shame? Forget it...I know the answer to that.
 
Please point me to one single instance where attempted voting fraud by democrats can be shown in the run-up to the 2004 elections.

Here's a recent attempt by a Republican, more to surely follow. You support these vile undemocratic, haters of America. Not me.

Republican Sec. of State in Ohio attempts to throw out new voter registrations from democratic areas.
"In the final days before the registration deadline Ken Blackwell, Ohio Secretary of State, has ordered the local election boards to send out new applications to applicants who have submitted registrations on the wrong paper. The ostensible reason for this order is to insure that the applications can make it through the postal system without being damaged. The Secretary didn't point to any examples of voters who were stupid enough to mail regular weight paper as a postcard, nor did he cite examples of complaints from the Postal Service that this has been a problem. Never mind also that the applications he wants thrown out have already been delivered to the election boards safely."

[shmokes]

Kerry is so going to lose.  I wish it were about voting fraud, but mainly it's because he's a poor candidate.  Look at the numbers Curmudgeon.   Don't look to the debates to swing things our way.   It takes more than intelligence and speaking skills to win a debate.  Look how Al Gore (certainly Kerry's intellectual superior) fared against Bush.

We're going to lose.  It'll be close in the popular vote, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's an electoral-vote landslide.  I give Bush at least 100 electoral votes on Kerry.  It's discusting.

[DrewKaree]

Please point me to one single instance where attempted voting fraud by democrats can be shown in the run-up to the 2004 elections.

Now, you don't know the election laws in Wisconsin, but if you're concerned with actually finding out how these two stories relate, I'm sure you'll look it up.

LINK Here's one, for starters...yeah, they didn't delve into the party affiliations of these students...but the next link is by the guy who DID do investigation into it LINK

LINK since he's the only one reporting on this in WI, he gets TWO links...it won't matter to the left anyway LINK

LINK here you go.  Go ahead protest away. LINK

Oh, and for good measure

LINK a snippet re: the 2000 election fraud LINK

LINK and more instances of stuff gone wrong LINK

LINK This one's for right wingers only...lefty heads may explode upon reading LINK

LINK A little something that acknowledges the funding that hasn't happened...I'm sure you'll focus on this instead of the rest of what ZOGBY has to say...you know, the poll guy BOTH parties point to? LINK

And lastly LINK and this one posts BOTH sides and the charges of vote fraud.  THIS is probably the one you'll want to look at MrC...then you won't have to answer the charges brought up by the other links I bring up LINK

In my state specifically, a democratic voter registration drive turned in several thousand registrations without proper identification.  Lest you think you can blow this off, the "proper identification" is referring to "ANY IDENTIFICATION.  After the regs have been turned in, BY LAW they have to be accepted, and BY LAW those with MISSING ID can now obtain absentee ballots, even though their registrations are NOT VALID.  

To top it all off, the program has been run by a person who attempted to defraud the state of WI by running in an election where she was ineligible.  The democratic D.A. offered her the option of resigning her position (in which the OTHER democrat got the position) or go to jail.

You can try to slice it any way you want, but the fact is a person who would be in jail if they were prosecuted for the crime of attempting election fraud is now running voter registration programs and submitting registrations in clear violation of the ONLY REQUIREMENT of my state.  

I don't expect you, MrC, to care, since you feel it's in the best interests of the country, no matter the means, but for those who care, and to whom 1+1=2, it's as simple as connecting the dots.  In Wisconsin, a swing state, Democrats are leading the charge in attempting to submit fraudulent votes, and did so in the last election.  The non-prosecution by the Liberal D.A. has shown them that they can do whatever they wish, as the 2000 voter fraud that happened across the street from the local news station didn't get any play until Joe Camcorder walked into their station and PLAYED THE FRIGGEN TAPE FOR THEM...mysteriously, the story wasn't commented on by the other two stations in town.

As I stated before, UNLESS liberals commit vote fraud, Kerry will lose.  

[fredster]

Shmokes,

Whoa dude. Have you given up the sword when the going is tough?  Do you believe you are right?  Then fight man, fight!
The country is polarized.  It could go either way man.  Don't let a daily poll stop you from your beliefs.  It goes beyond polls man.  Come on dude.  

I'm from TN Shmokes.  Al Gore was our senator. He ran for office here. I have to say that if you really have seen gore in action, well, he was underwhelming.  Kerry comes off a lot better than gore.  I wouldn't say that Kerry is intellectually inferior to gore at all.

Bush cannot be underestimated.  He is a very educated man. He may not be as articulate in every setting as people would like, but he is not as inept as the left would like to believe.  Historically, the left likes to make fun of Republican Presidents.  Think back of the left's portrail of Republican Presidents.  Bush 1 was a "wimp", Regan was a "bad actor / idiot", Ford was "clumsy", and of course, Nixon was a "crook".  (you lefties can believe what you want about any of them, but it doesn't matter this year).

Nobody has said a Republican was smart since Lincoln. Well, maybe Esienhower, maybe.  It's the Left's way of feeling better about themselves and their loss.  They like to think losing was a lucky shot or something.

MrC - how about JFK and voter fraud - http://www.adversity.net/florida/Frame_Fla_Stories/Kennedy_Daley_1960.htm

Shmokes, let me help you get fired back up man.  You are kinda down.  

Bush will go down as the most courageous president in modern history.  While Clinton tried to negotiate a peace talk and work through the UN, Bush took the bull by the horns and solved the problem.

Do you agree that he's the best man for our new century Shmokes??

[mr.Curmudgeon]

...and of course, Nixon was a "crook".

hehe...quotes! It really takes a lot for you guys on the right to hold one of your own accountable. Thank god Nixon didn't get a blowjob.

[GGKoul]

GGKoul, I think you'd better start preparing yourself emotionally.  It's a lost cause.  I don't care how many people Howard Stern gets to vote.  Bush is obviously going to win.  Right now the most you can hope for is for Sandra Day O'Conner to stick around for another four years.

I sadly believe this is true too...   And the US and the World will be in a much different place 4 years from now.
 

[Mameotron]

GGKoul, I think you'd better start preparing yourself emotionally.  It's a lost cause.  I don't care how many people Howard Stern gets to vote.  Bush is obviously going to win.  Right now the most you can hope for is for Sandra Day O'Conner to stick around for another four years.

I sadly believe this is true too...   And the US and the World will be in a much different place 4 years from now.
 

According to the latest polls, Kerry is losing.  Every single poll but one, where he is tied.
http://www.pollingreport.com/

Don't forget about the moral majority.  The catholic church in my area has been putting up billboards telling people NOT to vote for Kerry.

[GGKoul]

Oh well.. just watch Bush's numbers jump when then catch Bin Laden in mid October.  Just in time to crush Kerry's momentum.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Oh well.. just watch Bush's numbers jump when then catch Bin Laden in mid October.  Just in time to crush Kerry's momentum.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

[Dartful Dodger]

Oh well.. just watch Bush's numbers jump when then catch Bin Laden in mid October.  Just in time to crush Kerry's momentum.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

Kerry has no momentum, Bin Laden is dead, and Bush will win.

Deal with it.

[GGKoul]

Oh well.. just watch Bush's numbers jump when then catch Bin Laden in mid October.  Just in time to crush Kerry's momentum.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

I thought that's why Bush went to war?  Oh sorry, it was to finish the job his father started in Iraq by capturing Saddam.  I thought Bin Laden's people flew planes into the world trade towers on 9/11.  Not Saddam's...

[GGKoul]

Kerry has no momentum, Bin Laden is dead, and Bush will win.

Deal with it.

I couldn't care less.. I'm Canadian, and Bush's policies is going to put the US 100 years behind the rest of the World.  You should deal with it.

[DrewKaree]

Thank god Nixon didn't get a blowjob.

Actually, it would have mattered more in those times, since the declining slide in morals and values have since shown our country to care not a whit about marital infidelity.  But dem's not politiks, dat's fer anudder tred.

i did read it. i don't agree with the arrogant view that only certain people have an interest or understanding of politics. doesn't matter if you're a garbage collector or a doctor, most people have some view on politics and have a right to vote.....there's this thing called a 'donkey' vote. you guys got it confused and thought it meant voting for Bush  

danny, both sides here (on this board, and in the U.S.) would LOVE to have everyone on their side out voting.  That being said, it is untrue (and sadly so) that there REALLY ARE people out there who DON'T have any views on politics....they really COULDN'T care less.....and while they DO have a right to vote, they care so little, they won't even exercise the right to make a difference.    As for the donkey vote, you REALLY REALLY have to look at the two mascots for each party.  While I think Bush is a democrat on some of his positions, I've never confused him with a DONKEY!  (go ahead danny, ask me...I'll send you a .gif of the Democrat mascot  )

its certainly true that we outstrip you in things like burglaries and car theft. thats an eye opener for sure. i blame it on our convict heritage   but why do you guys have so many people in prison? it seems very authoritarian to me- big brother protecting yourselves from, well yourselves!!

might could be cuz we lock 'em up and keep 'em for longer than youse guys over dere....'sted a lettiin' em out ta re-steal cars and whutnot.  

i think we are a little less anal about things. for instance, you guys are number 4 on the nationmaster list of drugs offenses (560 per 100000) while at this time i couldnt see the top 100 of this list but indonesia was number 34 (3.4 per 100000) so presumably australia is lower than that? after all, didn't you guys try to ban drinking at one stage?

you say anal, we say breaking the law.  Kinda hard to make it to the top of the drug offense list if you live in an "anything goes cuz we're a little less anal" society....wait.....the sheep.....and.....I'm getting the threads we talk in confused.  Which one's a little less...nevermind

Oh well.. just watch Bush's numbers jump when then catch Bin Laden in mid October.  Just in time to crush Kerry's momentum.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

So GG is willing to believe the whole U.S. (the CANADIAN, really?  GG, talk to MrC, see if you can't get him to sop up your "conspiracy theory" tripe) Government is waiting to trot OBL out for the elections, and MrC, of all people  , is willing to post that GWB doesn't know where he is?!?!

MrC, does this mean that if they DO find him in the next few months, we won't hear your endless prattling about how "it's a fix, he rigged it, it's a con job, he preyed on the country's emotions, blah etc blah"?

Somehow I doubt that with every fiber of my being....and my ethereal host's being too.  Now which direction is Area51?

[DrewKaree]

I couldn't care less.. I'm Canadian, and Bush's policies is going to put the US 100 years behind the rest of the World.  You should deal with it.

So then we'll be like....Canada    SAY IT AIN'T SO, GG, SAY IT AIN'T SO !  

[GGKoul]

I couldn't care less.. I'm Canadian, and Bush's policies is going to put the US 100 years behind the rest of the World.  You should deal with it.

So then we'll be like....Canada    SAY IT AIN'T SO, GG, SAY IT AIN'T SO !  

Yep, Canada, American's friendly neighbour to the South of the US.     ....As many American's don't even know where Canada is.

Just think, in 4 years, In the US there will be no Gay Marriages allowed, no Stem Cell Research allowed, No abortions allowed, more limitations on Free Speech, higher tax rates for the middile class, no public health care, prescriptions bought from outside the US, more assualt rifles around, higher CO2 pollution levels, higher deficts levels on the backs of your childrens childern and more religon in government.  

This doesn't sound like Canada at all... it sounds more like Utah.

Hope you have fun for the next 4 years!