ipad anyone?

[Level42]

Well not on my laptop running XP. Maybe things changed with Windows Vista or 7, but I stepped out of the PC world about when Vista appeared. And my boss doesn't want to upgrade (and correct he is, as that would make the ultra-slow hardware on our laptops even slower).

Hybernate/sleep. What's the difference ? I often select "Stand-by" when I shut down my laptop (Because it takes ages to boot). Is that sleep or hybernate ?

On OS X there is just Sleep. (actually in Dutch they use the word slumber, not sure what the English OS X term is).

The funny thing is that I do not know anyone that actually has a netbook.... but I've heard many people around me talk about the iPad already. And no I didn't start about it....

[Blanka]

Are you confusing sleep with hibernate?

Mac sleep =Windows hibernate (sleep is the english OSX word)
Windows sleep = Mac screensaver

There are little differences though. I think you can put off a Windows machine in hibernate (it moves ram to disk), but you can't shut down a mac in sleep (only thing drawing power is RAM). Energy-wise, sleep is similar to hybernate. Its a very low power mode. On the other hand, a mac boots faster than a windows machine restarting from hibernate, so you can also put shut down against hybernate.
Fun to know: Virtual BOX is faster at making a save state of Windows and restoring it, than both booting/shut down OSX or hybernating Windows. Guess both Apple and MS can learn from that procedure!

[protokatie]

Are you confusing sleep with hibernate?

Mac sleep =Windows hibernate (sleep is the english OSX word)
Windows sleep = Mac screensaver

Oddly enough I caught this thread right after ready about the S0-S4 ACPI stuff (as I am on my brand spanking new netbook and I wanted to refresh my info on it).

As of Vista and beyond:

Mac Sleep = Windows Hybrid Sleep*
Windows Sleep = Whatever S1-S3 that the hardware supports = The Mac doesn't do those low power modes anymore (except S3 which is used in Hybrid Sleep on Windows as well).

* Hybrid sleep (or Mac Sleep) is S3 mode (CPU turned off, Ram refreshed (in a lower power slower mode), all periferals powered off PLUS the RAM is copied to the Hdd ala Hibernate. The copying of RAM the Hdd is ONLY in case you lose power to keep the RAM refreshed, otherwise the system will come out of hybrid sleep/mac sleep using RAM.

as per what I read, MAC OS no longer supports a normal sleep, nor does it support a normal hibernate, only the hybrid of the two (which kinda sucks, as I treat my laptop PC in hibernate as a computer that will hold its battery power if the power goes out while plugged in as it will be off.  Also a computer in Hybrid sleep will continue to drain power until it is forced to "hibernate" when the battery gets too low.) IE I prefer a specific hibernate mode myself.

[CheffoJeffo]

What I'd like is f.i. when working on PCB's or machines. Now I usually print out schematics & stuff. But I've only got an A4 printer. It would be great to have the pad near your working place, being able to simply go around on the schematics, zooming in and out quickly etc.

+1

[RayB]

What I'd like is f.i. when working on PCB's or machines. Now I usually print out schematics & stuff. But I've only got an A4 printer. It would be great to have the pad near your working place, being able to simply go around on the schematics, zooming in and out quickly etc.

+1

OOOOH! Yes! Seeing as how most schematics online are in PDF. Excellent idea! Last time I wired up a cocktail I had Bob Robert's JAMMA pinout table open for reference on my Ipod Touch.

[protokatie]

Well, I got drunk and ordered one a few days ago. If I hadn't been drunk I would have just waited for an Android based one to come out, but meh. I'll wait and see what the itampad is like when I get mine in early April.

For some odd reason, I feel like my computer IQ just took a hit tho. A pad is something I would want to be able to tweak with alot, but Apple has a very closed system, so very little room for messing around with (IE no multitasking, no file system, no flash???, no Samba (not a suprise there), and nothing like a batch file)...

[polaris]

Well, I got drunk and ordered one a few days ago. If I hadn't been drunk I would have just waited for an Android based one to come out, but meh. I'll wait and see what the itampad is like when I get mine in early April.

For some odd reason, I feel like my computer IQ just took a hit tho. A pad is something I would want to be able to tweak with alot, but Apple has a very closed system, so very little room for messing around with (IE no multitasking, no file system, no flash???, no Samba (not a suprise there), and nothing like a batch file)...

jailbreak!?

[RayB]

Interesting. When regular guys get drunk, they end up sleeping with the fat chick. But when a geek gets drunk, he buys an Ipad!

[polaris]

Interesting. When regular guys get drunk, they end up sleeping with the fat chick. But when a geek gets drunk, he buys an Ipad!

nah, i bet she sleeps with fat chicks too 

[t3design]

ordered a 3G iPad the day ordering opened.

if you guys don't want the fat chick, send her to me.....

[protokatie]

I thought I WAS the fat chick! 155LBS et al... 

[shmokes]

The no Samba thing just makes me scratch my head.  The thing has WiFi.  It would be dramatically more attractive if i could stream media to it from my server.

[RayB]

OK sorry for the gender assumption... When a woman gets drunk, she wakes up next to some strange guy; when a geek-woman gets drunk she orders an Ipad.
 

I can't wait to try one. I could never buy one without a hands-on.

[patrickl]

The no Samba thing just makes me scratch my head.  The thing has WiFi.  It would be dramatically more attractive if i could stream media to it from my server.

Apple just want to shove their monopoly down your throat.

Maybe it can connect to some streaming Quicktime virus though?

[Level42]

Yeah, I'm so glad that Microsoft is not ever trying such practices.....
 

[shmokes]

For real . . . In fact I think that my wife would likely have a Zune HD or an iPod Touch right now if either of them could stream media cos I'd have got her one as a gift.  Either are perfectly capable of it hardware-wise. 

[patrickl]

Oh come on. Microsoft is not nearly as bad (anymore) as Apple. If you don't like Microsoft, what's wrong with one of the open Unix versions (including Android)?

BTW As far as I know both the Zune HD and iPod Touch CAN stream media.



More on topic, I'd love to have one of these (Star Trek) pads, but I'll wait till the Android/Chrome and Slate versions are out. For now I'd say a netbook with 10" screen (which I have already) seems the better option for me.

Also, Microsoft has been working for a while on it's (now called) Courier "booklet" device with two 7" displays. Like a big Nintendo DS. Not sure if that's practical, but it would make it more portable. When it's really portable and if it does work well, it could even replace my Livescribe pen and journal.

I have an e-ink ebook reader device. This is pretty cool for reading books. It's a tad slow, but in return the battery lasts a lot longer than on a LCD type device. It's also much better readable in the sun.

[RayB]

I dont know how, but the Touch streams audio to sound/theatre systems via bluetooth and maybe other method, and I was told it can do the same with video.

[lilshawn]

you know, when i first saw the iPhone, I thought to myself... "self..." (cause that's how i talk to myself) i said,

"I wish this iPhone was a little bit clunkier...i mean...it still fits in my pocket."

and here we are.

and you just know they are gonna put a huge ass chrome back on it, and you will be blinding people with it while your walking down the street during a sunny summer day. 

[Epyx]

Pretty sad but the main reason this device intrigues me is as an E-Book reader and portable media device.

It would be a nice alternative to a laptop for those functions...let's face it...laptops were not designed as guy friendly devices...the heating up of the nether regions is a PITA.

[shmokes]

BTW As far as I know both the Zune HD and iPod Touch CAN stream media.

Not really.  For example, look at this tutorial for setting up streaming on the iPhone.  




That's hardly a serious option (and even then no Divx).  I'm talking about official support (we were specifically talking about Samba, but DLNA would be perfectly fine).

[patrickl]

Pretty sad but the main reason this device intrigues me is as an E-Book reader and portable media device.

It would be a nice alternative to a laptop for those functions...let's face it...laptops were not designed as guy friendly devices...the heating up of the nether regions is a PITA.

It would be a replacement for a netbook at best and they don't heat up that much do they? At least I never noticed it much on mine.

In fact I wonder about having to hold the thing all the time as it's biggest drawback. I have a 5" tablet device now and I often find it quite annoying that I cannot set it down and still ready it properly. Luckily it comes with a detachable keyboard which (when attached) lets it stand on that (like a tiny netbook).

[patrickl]

BTW As far as I know both the Zune HD and iPod Touch CAN stream media.

Not really.  For example, look at this tutorial for setting up streaming on the iPhone.  


That's hardly a serious option (and even then no Divx).  I'm talking about official support (we were specifically talking about Samba, but DLNA would be perfectly fine).

I was thinking about a paid method to get it to work though. I remembered seeing a news artile (on a Smartphone website) about a program in the appstore that let you connect to a Windows Home Server and watch video's on your iPhone.

AFAIK, you can also use TVersity and if you have a Mac there is some streaming software on that too that you can connect too.

:edit: How about Air video for example?
:edit2: or iMediaSuite?

the Zune HD is still pretty new, but I think it can stream video's too. Probably not from a Mac though.

[shmokes]

Hmm . . . I'm not really interested enough to look into it.  Regardless, the absence of SMB and/or DLNA is surely deliberate.  Both companies know that the devices have a lot of potential as media players, and the more they can control how that media gets to the device the more money they stand to make.

[patrickl]

Hmm . . . I'm not really interested enough to look into it.  Regardless, the absence of SMB and/or DLNA is surely deliberate.  Both companies know that the devices have a lot of potential as media players, and the more they can control how that media gets to the device the more money they stand to make.

Geez, first you make me look it up and then you're not interested, lol.

The Zune is getting new firmware now and then and I think the last release they gave it some media streaming functions built in. Indeed not from Samba/CIF file servers, but through media servers. Which makes a lot more sense too.

Why on earth would you even want to use samba? Connecting to a media server makes much more sense. If you want to download files, the Zune HD allows you to sync over WiFi. if you want to stream media, you connect to a media server.

I don't know what kind of streaming an iPhone has built in, but the Zune HD sure has it.

[shmokes]

Geez, first you make me look it up and then you're not interested, lol.

Hey . . . I responded before your edit.   

[shmokes]

The wonderful thing about Samba is that you don't have to do anything.  You just have your files sitting on a hard drive, and your media server sees and plays them.  I don't want to have Windows Media Player open and running on my computer at all times in order to stream.  More to the point, I might not even have the ability to have Windows Media Player open, for example if my media is sitting on a NAS rather than a Windows computer.  Plus, I've tried the streaming from Windows Media Player to my PS3 and it doesn't work well at all.  It grabs all my media and throws it together into a giant mess.  It refuses to organize based on my folder structure.


Edit:

Both of those programs look interesting, and go a long way toward what I would want.  But the first one requires a server running the software to transcode the media a la Tversity.  And the second won't do Divx.  It's still better than I thought it was.

[patrickl]

The wonderful thing about Samba is that you don't have to do anything.  You just have your files sitting on a hard drive, and your media server sees and plays them.  

True.

I don't really care much for streaming media (files or transcoded video), but with a Tablet device I would want to be able to pick up eBooks from the file server. I guess that would be another reason to wait for newer devices and see if they could access Samba shares.

[NiN^_^NiN]

Honestly i don't see it as useful for me or most people and it does feel like apple is just trying to make more money without doing much in my eyes.

Id rather get the chinese ipad close it looks like an iPad and runs win7 a 10" screen and has the webcam on the front it's great but doesnt have a multi touch screen which would rock for win7 but still its ALOT cheaper than the iPad and more functional.

This isn't the P88 im talking about i forget what this one is called.

[patrickl]

Maybe an Asus Eee PC T91MT would be an alternative. It's a tablet netbook. So you can either fold it into a small tablet or use it as a netbook.

[jfunk]

Now HERE'S a reason to buy an iPad 

iCade iPad dock

HA!

[shmokes]

I suspect he knows that . . . everyone goes to ThinkGeek on April 1 to see what new products they'll be carrying.

[patrickl]

I kinda like the Pad Dock



It's a big magnifying glass that turns your iPhone into an iPad. Lol. (BTW YES I do understand that this is a joke)


Why does that iCade have to be an April fools joke though? Or rather, it probably is an april fools joke, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. MAME  for the iPhone does exist and I did the same with my iPAQ to turn it into PocketGalaga (long before iPhones even existed)

[jfunk]

Yeah, I knew...  Thinkgeek is my first stop every 4/1 

My little brother COMPLETELY fell for the wireless extension cords one year, though..  *sigh*

[Blanka]

I think TG really should make this.

- The iPad is useless without Mame
- The iPad needs buttons (who wants olive-oil fingers on that beautiful IPS screen?)
- IPS means perfect viewing angles when put in portrait!
- It's 4:3 aspect. How retro can a modern gadget be?
- 99% will jailbreak the iPad (unless multitouch-clit Playboy-ebooks are APROVED by apple), so installing iPadMame is a piece of cake.
- It looks cool, the price is right, and a good profit must be possible

[wp34]

Why does that iCade have to be an April fools joke though? Or rather, it probably is an april fools joke, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. MAME  for the iPhone does exist and I did the same with my iPAQ to turn it into PocketGalaga (long before iPhones even existed)

That is sweet!  I used an iPaq for years and never thought of something like that. 

[protokatie]

Well I got mine today. Pretty much like what I expected, a little bit unwieldy tho. The bigger screen makes it a lot easier to type than the iphone. I just wish it supported flash. 

[AcidArmitage]

netbooks can also stand by themselves hahah...

[protokatie]

Yeah, I have a Dell Mini 10 and it is really cool. Flash support as well as multiple monitor support to boot. I would never go anywhere without my little netbook. The iPad is still kinda neat tho.

[patrickl]

I read that a guy (a professional line sitter) was first in line for an iPad and waited in line for 5 days to get it first. Turned out he forgot to reserve one so he had to wait till the end of the line ... and then they were all sold out. Lol.