kids and martial arts?

[shardian]

I found bird poop on my pants after football practice in middle school.  Little bastard got me right on my calf when I was running.

You grow up right on the ocean, wandering around commercial wharves in a fishing town, and you get seagull crap on you all the time.  Hats and raincoats.  Just part of going where you know the seagulls are.

I'd happily embrace seagull crap if that meant I could have grown up oceanside. All of you coastal folks are lucky bastiges.
BTW, I leave tommorrow for the beach. It will be my first time ever being at the beach in the off-season. Even though it will only be in the 70's all week, I am super excited. And yeah, I'm getting out in the water no matter what.

[ChadTower]

That must be in new england or something.  If you went wandering around the Texas shrimping towns in a hat and raincoat you'd faint from a heat stroke.

Nova Scotia, it's not quite as necessary in the MA fishing towns.  You still get crapped on but up in NS the seagulls will circle above an incoming boat by the hundreds.

Shardian, it really depends on where you are.  There isn't much recreational use in southern NS beyond going out on boats a couple months a year.  No swimming, few beaches, frigid water and monster riptides.  There is a lot of recreational use in MA but it's nothing like you see on TV with people surfing and walking around in string bikinis.

[ChadTower]

Water's a little murky in Texas but it's warmer.  Looking at booking a cottage for this weekend.  $70 a night, little steep but hey.

$70 a night here is a good deal for a rathole motel room.

[shmokes]

The water's still perfect here.  No seagulls to speak of either.  I'll maybe see 20 total after spending a few hours at the beach.  Miami's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination.  But it has its moments.   

[Grasshopper]

Jeez... you know, leave it to men to take something WAY TOO SERIOUSLY and ruin it.



Can't Chad's kids get some exercise, maybe toughen up a little, and have some fun?

Yikes, write this down.

(I agree with PBJ)

+1

However, I just can’t resist getting involved … 

Chadwick, I totally agree with the main gist of what you’re saying. However, I think you’re perhaps being a little unfair about Wing Chun. To illustrate my point I’m going to try and compare Wing Chun with Western boxing. Note, I’m not a martial arts expert, so take what I’m saying with a grain of salt.

Firstly, if you ask me who’s likely to be the better fighter, a boxer or a Wing Chun practitioner, I’d have no hesitation in saying the boxer. That much we can agree with.

A typical boxing class will involve full contact sparring (albeit with gloves being worn). And whilst fighting with gloves on is somewhat different to bare-knuckle fighting, it’s close enough to be useful. However, a typical Wing Chun class will only offer, at best, semi-contact sparring. Many don’t even offer that.

There is really no substitute for full contact sparring if you want to learn to fight properly, and that in a nutshell is why the boxer will almost certainly be the better fighter.

However, despite that, I would still argue that Wing Chun is a more effective, and certainly a more complete, system of fighting than western boxing. That sounds contradictory but you need to separate the effectiveness of the art itself, from the way in which practitioners typically train (at least in the west). If Wing Chun classes incorporated full contact sparring then I believe “chunners” would be just as effective as boxers. Conversely, if boxing classes didn’t incorporate full contact sparring then boxers would be just as ineffective in real fights as Wing Chun experts.

In fact I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to describe boxing as a subset of Wing Chun. If you take the handful of Wing Chun moves that can be executed comfortably whilst wearing boxing gloves and then remove the kicks, you’re left with something that is fairly close to western boxing. There are, after all, only so many ways that you can hit someone. Also, many of the principles that underpin Wing Chun (always face the opponent, protect the centre line etc.) are exactly the things that boxers are taught to do.

As far as the exercises that take place in oriental martial arts classes are concerned, they’re just that – exercises. Whether they work or not is of course debateable. I guess it’s ultimately subjective. But one thing is clear, they were not designed to make people into fighters on their own, they were designed to help people already learning to fight by other means to be better fighters.

This is not unique to martial arts. Most sports have training exercises. But you wouldn’t expect to become any good just by doing the exercises, you also have to actually play the sport. The exercises are just the icing on the cake so to speak.

I suspect that the need to do the exercises in conjunction with genuine sparring is something that got “lost in translation” when some of the oriental martial arts were exported to the west.

[ChadTower]

Nobody knows how a person is going to react to getting punched in the grill until that person gets punched in the grill.  There is no substituting that with anything else if your goal is capability in a real fight.  That applies to fighting, contact sports, or anything else where a person has to do something that really hurts and either quit or fight back.

[Chadwick]

Both of you make excellent points, and I don't disagree with either of you.

I freely admit I may have been a bit hyperbolic in my previous posts, but sweet baby Jesus in a manger... did you read some of the claims he made?

[Hoopz]

did you read some of the claims he made?

Nope.  Been there, done that.  Same song and dance as before.

[Xiaou2]

And Xiaou, you need to stop thinking that anyone who disagrees with you is a bully, Nazi, or any other

 Firstly, I have no problem with a person who disagrees.  However, there is a
difference between a person who disagrees, and a MOB that gets together
to work their mob powers.

 These BulshidoEns, do not argue rationally.  They bash and burn anything,
offensively, if it does not go along with what they believe.

 I can understand a group getting upset by masters saying they can control
a person with invisible energy... but the other things they try to destroy,
are not even comparable.  They do not research deeply, do not perform real
world test.  Do not care to try to understand and Learn something new.


 Grasshopper is saying just just about exactly what Ive posted.  While WC
may have limits to the training... One can always go out and Spar others,
and get that experience, as I did.

 I can take any Boxer, train him in WC, and yeah... he will probably no doubt
be better at WC than a first time martial artists who only took up WC, and never
did any sparring.   That said... "I"  did learn WC as my first art... but I was no
pushover.  I went out and sparred constantly as soon as I had a decent level of
foundation... AND, it worked.
 
 The "argument" that WC does not work, because some lazy students dont want
to go out an put on some gloves.. is crap.

 
 As for my claims, they are all as said.  And, anyone who does the research, will
find that Im not the only one who knows about, or can do this stuff.  Of course,
to really understand, you may need to march yourself to the nearest JKD or WC
school to see if one of them has someone capable to Demo on you.  OR, you can
start training your Weakness of short range power... and soon see massive
improvements, as you start to develop and understand.  And No, there is no
violation of physics in Fajin.

 This article better explains the concept of Fajin in non-mystical terms:
http://www.martialtaichi.co.uk/articles/fajin.php

 
 A Fajin strike is not limited to a Wrist strike as seen mostly in Chen Xiaowangs
Tai Chi demonstration.  It can be added to Any strike.  Punches, elbows,
finger strikes, as well as Kicks.

 I can also say, that Ive fought Many good TKD artists.  In fact, Ive taught
myself a lot of their style of kicking as well.  TKD however, does not do much
with Low kicks.. as that is against the Sport style Sparring they do.  IF
some TKD do low kicks, it would probably be a round kick.. and not a straight
stomp/stop kick, that is in WC, and some other KF styles.

 ALSO, TKD (In Most places)  does not train their kicks against SOLID hard
objects... such as a brick wall.  They are used to kicking soft people, pine boards,
or a soft-moving kick bag.

 Whats the Differences?

 For example, if you go out to a parking lot.. and kick one of those 4" diameter
parking poles, a tree, or similar... its not going to give much if at all.  The forces
will then be directed more inside of your own body.   If you have ANY weak or
loose section, it will crumble (bend/flex) from the forces... and that will cause
a loss of conduction.  Loss of conduction, will result in loss of power delivery
ability.

 Conduction?!   Anyone knows that a solid object is best suited to conducting
energy.  It you place a block of wood in front of someones chest, hit the block..
the person will still feel/get plenty of that energy.  The wood conducts very
well.  However, repeat that with a block of softer rubber.. and the rubbers
material will absorb some of the forces through "flex".

 If you were to hit a person, and your elbow bent a little in the process, you
effectively Lost power to deliver.  Same also, is if your knee bent a little when
you made impact.  And even harder to notice, is internal stuff.. such as if
part of your body is "Relaxed" when you hit.  Sure, your first and arm may be
tight... but what about your mid section? Your legs?  If they are not ALL
completely Linked and Solid at the exact moment of Greatest Impact forces...
there Will be self absorption losses.

 A concept that you should try to remember, is that to gain max power,
you need aid of the Ground.  Any force exerted against you, goes all the way
thru you, and to the ground at your feet.  If you were to jump in the air, and
double palm a wall, you would be forced backwards, as there is nothing to
brace you.  Forces lost.   However, if you were to hit that same wall, with good
braced footing from the ground... you can maintain that Connection and
Conduction from Ground to Fist.   In Tai Chi, they call this a "Ground Path".
A Path that goes from the ground to your fist, with a Solid muscular/skeletal
connection.

 Now, you will say... "But Boxers already do this".  Its true.  Almost anyone
uses these concepts.  The problem is accuracy and timing.  If you are off
a hair on one aspect.. or off by a split second of time.. you can lose up to
50% power delivery.  This is why most boxers do not knock each other out
with a single hit.  They simply can not deliver power accurately every time,
and lose most of it due to slight problems here and there.

 A boxer also does not build as much "Fast-Twitch" muscles.  They are more
concerned with bulky strength instead.  Fast twitch, allows the ability to
do a full body "Spasm" or "Convulsion", at speeds of hundreaths of a second.
A sneeze (exhaling, not the build up)  is very similar... and have been estimated
to be as fast as 649 mph, or 290 ft/sec.  85% of the speed of sound.

 A typical punch, will never reach 650 mph.  However, add Fajin on to the End
of a punch... and you have effectively struck all of your mass, at over 650mph.
This kind of power is devastating.  Hence the term "Explosive".. it can literally
burst internal vessels / organs.   Most people skilled at this, will never draw back
more than 3 inches, use only partial power, and always use something like a
phone book in front of the target to help disperse the energy.  Besides the
material being able to flex a little.. .the wide of the book is less damaging
due to the forces being less concentrated all in one small area.  Also,
the fist is not allowed to go very deep into the target.. which results in more
compression of the targets internals, and thus more serious damages.

 For every inch pulled back, Fajin is capable of Multiplicative damages.  Instead
of a scale of  1,2,3,4,5,6,7..   its more like  1,5,25,85,500,7500.

 It can be created merely from a body tense timed perfectly (at the
end of a strike)... Or in the advanced methods, can use the hips/body
rotations added to it for even more power... and finally, you can also use the
combination of simultaneous forwards footwork as well.

 A person who Tries this and gets nothing more than a push, will immediately call
BS.  This power is not developed overnight. It can take a few months to notice
the power level changes.  And less than a year of dedicated work, you can
be lethal at close ranges.


 Going back to my post about the Stomp kick...  Which is a Diagonal downwards
low kick aimed mostly at the knee or shins, toe pointed outwards.. Hitting with
the bottom of the foot nearest the heel.   Its more dangerous than a round
kick because its usually thrown when someone is coming directly at you.  As
they plant their lead leg, that contains most of their mass on it... you have already
started to make contact with it.  With that full body Fajin energy, you tense up.
Your rear leg fully grounded.  The power levels will easily stop a kick, but more
so, can do ridiculous damages.

 Its again, trained properly, by striking Solid objects such as thick diameter poles,
trees, etc...  Keeping your Shoes on.   There is no need to do barefoot training
for this.   Kick at full power, slowly first..  later working on full power & full speed.
Speed in delivery, and Retraction.

 A curved low kick can easily be disapted by a slight leg lift, footwork, body turns,
palm block, knee bending, etc..  The body can flex to absorb these forces decently.  Not the case from a body that is moving forwards.  A fighters conditioned legs can may have meat in the area which is to be struck, and or just is dense enough to accept the power levels.  You can not easily condition the knee.  And since you are kicking in a direction that the knee can not bend in, they
will not be able to diffuse the energy...  thus full damages ensue.

 Its hard to see, as its lightning fast.  Its 10x faster than any MT kick, and
10x as deadly.  Anyone knows that a straight line is more effecient than a circle.
It also nearly impossible to block.. unless you always keep your weight on the
rear leg.  A practice that most WC styles do, as we are left with a front leg that
can instantly attack or defend with the lead leg without any "De-Weight" time.

 De-Weight time?  If you are resting your weight an your lead leg.. and need
to kick with it.. you have to first lean back and take the weight off it, so that you
can begin to lift it.

 Bruce Lee liked to do something similar, but with the rear leg.  He would stand
with a front loaded lead, and throw a rear-straight wc low kick with it. Lightning
fast stuff, and incredibly powerful.
 

 Ive posted this rough Pic as an example of the dangers of a Stomp kick -vs-
traditional boxing Lead leg footwork.   Note: The lead kick foot was not edited to
show it should be pointing slightly outwards...  as it currently appears to be
almost sideways... which isnt the case.  Rear knee should have a hair more
bend in there too.

[shmokes]

Xiaou . . . if guy writes a novel on an arcade message board and nobody reads it, did he really write the novel?  My friend, nobody . . . and I mean NOBODY read your last post . . . not all of it, anyway.   I read the first few paragraphs, but I couldn't keep going.

Trust me, if a windbag like me is calling for a little brevity you have a problem.  Reel it in a little.  Words that are never read never convinced anyone of anything.  I promise you, nobody read that whole post. 

[Justin Z]

I'm in for 1½ paragraphs.  Maybe after seven or eight posts all of us put together will have read an amount of words equal to the number of words in your post.

[Xiaou2]

 If it were only so simple as a 2 line sentence, then thats what I would have
wrote.

 However, the stuff I speak of is very complex, (hence why may people dont
do/get it)  and needs a lot of words to try to convey it.

 Most non martial artists probably dont have the desire to understand, so their
minds will wander when trying to read/absorb it.  Obviously, this is then not for
you.

 If someone cares that much to argue the points, then they either have to read
and comprehend it,  or they then concede by forfeit.

 If I put in less description, then the so called Know-it-alls, would post a ton of
other related posts, saying it was full of holes.

 Anyways, there is enough information there for an artists that has the desire,
to comprehend the concepts.  From there, its a matter of actually researching
the methods further, and simply "Doing".

[shmokes]

Xiaou, it doesn't work for two reasons.  For one, it's just poor writing.  The novel I'm reading now is more than 1000 pages.  I got no problem with length, per se.  But your writing is incredibly disjointed and disorganized and bloated.

But what's more, and perhaps more importantly, you're on a message board.  And the format of communication on a message board is more or less conversational.  When you're having a conversation with someone you can't just suddenly talk non-stop for two hours.  The person didn't come for a lecture; he came for conversation.

Hell, Xiaou, imagine for a second that your delusion is true, and you are simply dealing with a bunch of intellectual inferiors.  The end result is the same.  You're writing for an audience.  If you're writing for 8-year-olds you give them Dahl, not Shakespeare. 

In the end, though, the fact is NOBODY read your post.  Nobody.  Zero.  Not one single solitary person.  So what's the point?  There's no such thing as concession by forfeiture in a casual argument.  Your point cannot be proven through irritation alone.  WC does not become more or less legitimate by virtue of your inability to write concise, compelling prose.

[Xiaou2]

lol, My Delusion?!   This coming from a guy who knows Nothing about the
arts, and has no physical experience whatsoever.  lol   Classic.

message board is more or less conversational

 That depends on the information being exchanged.  There are entire message posts on
how entire cabinets and assemblies were built here.

 Some people may be here for the conversational experience.  Others may be here
to learn something new... or to contribute something new.  If there is a thread which
details how to build a Star Wars yoke, its going to be very long.  For the average
person who has zero interest in that... they will move on.

 For the people who Do have a background in the arts, they may in fact be interested
in that there is a different way to do something that they have not been taught before.

 This was true for myself, when I ran into Bruce Lee's writings, then later, many other
similar writings.  Its what lead me on the path to developing it for myself.

 I Could simply write a  "How To" ...but without an explanation of the principles of
how it works..  nobody would understand, thus not attempt with efforts.

 While Chadwhich may begin to understand what Fajin means, he may be too
stubborn to try to develop it.   However, there are others out there who Will see the
text, and silently take note as the inspiration hits them like a hammer.

 If there are actually some people who are genuinely interested, and have further
questions, Im happy to clarify points, or reveal more data.


 As for the Level of intellectual intelligence in the Audience,  I can tell you that most
people here are very capable of understanding these concepts.  The problem isnt
intelligence, its mere Ignorance.

 If you think you have seen it all, know it all..  you are more likely to claim false
victory. 

 If you challenge someone with different knowledge and experiences,
they have to either Ignore it... Or decide to investigate.  That is for them to decide.

[SavannahLion]

You guys actually read all of that?   

I'm waiting for the Cliff Notes. I quit sometime around page 2. I just stopped by to see if anybody directed a comment towards me.

As interesting as it is to read through this, I need to get back to my projects.

[shmokes]

Yeah but, Xiaou . . . nobody's reading it.  Just like I didn't read more than halfway through the third paragraph of your last post.  And I read even less of the one before.  Your ranting is just too tedious.  Actually, I think I just identified your main problem.  It's not just length.  You're always ranting.  It's unreadable.

[RayB]

You have to wonder how much time he spends on those posts. WOW.

[Chadwick]

Today, I learned the shoryuken

[CCM]

[ChadTower]

So the Muay Thai fighter is a much bigger ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?---?

[RayB]

Orange cat is using a grappling technique, so it's no Muay Thai.
 

[Xiaou2]

  Plenty of fun stories in my adventures in the arts.  Heres one:


 One day I was out getting Trashed at the local club.  3 pretty strong
long islands later... I see this guy trying to show a karate move to
some newbie.

 I walk over to him, and express that its not a good idea to try to show
someone like this a move, as the kid will not be any good at it... and
if the attacker does something different, he wont have a clue what to
do.   I demonstrated a physical example to show it...

 The karate guy then started throwing strikes at me... and as drunk as
I was, I still managed to intercept and render them useless.  I figured
he was just playing / testing me... but it turns out he wanted a piece of
me (I bruised his Inflated Ego) ...as all the sudden he stepped in to try to
score a real hit to my head.

 At that time, I was so hammered that I didnt fully catch him change
distance fast enough. (I was seeing like the equivalent of 15fps at that
time) He walked right into my Straight punches. He had grazed my jaw
with his hook... but there was no power because it had been neutralized
by my hit landing.

 My head bobbed a bit... and next thing I heard was "Glasses!".  At first,
I thought I had lost mine.  So I felt around the nearby ground.  Soon
enough, I realized mine were still on my face.

 When I hit the kid, it split his glasses in two.

 I apologized to the guy, but I told him it was his fault for stepping in.

 The guy, was cool about it, and shook my hand as we were now
formally introduced.  lol    A new found respect, after having all his
initial strikes deflected, and then eating a straight blast...  all while trying
to beat on a guy who was almost at 'stumble level' drunk.

 Good Fun   

[Chadwick]

I told you chain punching was weaksauce!

[Xiaou2]

 
 If I can knock fighters from less than 6" from one punch, imagine 2 or 3 punches
in a row...

 A chain of punches, is only as good as the training behind one of them.

 I can imagine, due to your lame standards, why you wouldnt understand what
"Good" training was all about.

 I punch a bag filled with about 10 lbs of metal bb's.  You?

[ChadTower]

You'll put your eye out, kid.

[Xiaou2]

lol  

You'll put your eye someones out, kid.

Fixt  


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[CCM]

are those wind chimes in the last picture?

[Xiaou2]

 Steel Bars (Advanced Wrist-Weights).

 You hang the mass from your wrists, and slowly move your fist/arm back and
forth down the punching line.   About 45 seconds or more for each direction.
Each arm getting about 5 minutes each.  Several 5 min  reps if desired.

 Most people have trouble doing 3 min of slow motion work with their arms alone,
as in a typical day, you rarely leaving your arms in the air for any length of time.

 You can see many fighters dropping their guards when they get tired.  This is
something that can help with this.  Not only that, but you gain power and accuracy
down the entire line.  Rock solid stability, even under stresses.  You get additional
power / strength to boot.

 The advantage of this over simple wrist weights?

- Wrists weights are uncomfortable, bulky, and awkward.  The wrists strap is comfy. 

- The mass is easy to add/remove. There is a LOT more mass in those bars than
in wrists weight setups.

- You can, if you like, train two arms at once with 2 devices. Wrists weights wouldnt
allow this as well due to the bulky size.

- Traditional Kungfu often use metal rings, which are expensive, bulky, and noisy.
These weights can even be used at fairly good speeds, should you want to train
a different way.  They are pretty much silent, and due to the way they are
hung, they counter-balance, rather than swing violently.

[CCM]

ugh... I was being sarcastic... not looking for a lesson...

[Hoopz]

ugh... I was being sarcastic... not looking for a lesson...

I got it.  Subtlety is too much for some people.   

[Chadwick]

 

[saint]

You have any videos of you sparring?

lol  

You'll put your eye someones out, kid.

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[Xiaou2]

 First off, He was not drunk.  I was.   2nd, he tried to throw multiple strikes at me,
and failed.  The more serious he got (stepped in),  he got pounded due to the
simplicity of the science behind the techniques.

 That was merely an example of a situation which was more "Serious", which
could have gotten very ugly.

 Ive talked down a few guys from real fights.  This guy just was the type who
punched first, talked later.

 I could site several more exciting sparring sessions, where the big guy lost
his cool and went from the friendly mid-level power and speed... To  "Injure-Him"
mode, at full power, full speed.  However, it seemed you wanted a real world
example.. and besides heavy sparring, thats all Ive got.  Im not a punk who
starts trouble for no good reasons.   I imagine however, your personality rubs
people much worse than I ever could... And so I imagine you have gotten into
more Real scraps than care to admit.

 Unlike you, Im trained to take lives.  I value all life, so I dont jump into mode
unless someone swings at me, threatening to take that life away.
Im also confident, and know my skill level of protection ability... so I dont fret and
fear when someone gets near.  Many others would shoot a strike out, merely out
of fear and lack of control... making a possible 'ok' situation much much worse.

Saint:

 At the time of my most intense training, I was ages 20 to 25.  Im now 36.
11 yrs ago, camcorders were not as prevalent.. and I personally could not
afford them at the time... nor did I really feel the need to get one.

 (I dont even think I had a computer back then.  Amazing how time flies...)

 I do however have many local people who have witnessed all of what Ive said...
and can back me up.

---
 
And Yeah, I knew it was a poke at me.  However, I felt it better to describe the
workings of the technology to those who actually wanted to benefit.. rather than
acknowledge your attempt at button pushing.

---

 Finally, sparring vids only say so much.  You cant feel the power of a strike in a video.
Heck, half the people cant even make out the deflections / technology in a video.

 I know this, because when I started... my Sifu (Teacher) told us that after we learned
a certain amount of WC, we would see movies completely different.  Martial artists
who once looked very fast and amazing on film... suddenly looked simplistic and easy
to replicate.   I believe he called it the "Kungfu Eye".   Just as he said, it rang true
in a very short time of development.


 I am considering making a nice demo however.  One where I teach a few small woman
the Fajin strike... and have them KO a nice big martial artist from a few inches away.
Time, and finding the woman who have the motivation and dedication, will be the issue.

[shmokes]

 I am considering making a nice demo however.  One where I teach a few small woman
the Fajin strike... and have them KO a nice big martial artist from a few inches away.
Time, and finding the woman who have the motivation and dedication, will be the issue.

You can call them The Deadly Viper Assassination Squad.

[Xiaou2]

(Please ignore the caterpillar under my nose  >.<  )

 Me at about age 23:   6ft  145 lbs.  I was skin and bones... taking on guys like this,
many bigger, stronger, and more skilled than him actually.  Actually, this is the guy
who's knee I nearly broke.

 As much as he is smiling to the cute girl behind the camera...  When hes in action,
hes a steam roller on a mission.

 He isnt 'Cut', but under the exterior flab, lies a ton of solid muscle.  The guy has
tree-trunks for legs, which filled in his pants to the point where they looked like they
would burst open.  Me, my pants were loose as heck... as I have chicken legs.

 He has a whole room worth of trophies for 1st place sparring events,
more than likely due to mere power and mass.  Still, he wasnt exactly a dummy when
it came to fighting knowledge/skill either.
 
 You can see he was taller, as well as all his limbs and mid section were twice
mine in diameter.  He probably had over an 80lb advantage on me, not counting
the height leverage advantage.

 When you fight such a contrast, your techniques have to be dead on perfect... or
you do in fact get steamrolled.  It took some time before I learned how to put WC
into practice on such guys.. but when I did, it was rare for them to land a shot anymore.


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[saint]

Saint:

 At the time of my most intense training, I was ages 20 to 25.  Im now 36.
11 yrs ago, camcorders were not as prevalent.. and I personally could not
afford them at the time... nor did I really feel the need to get one.

 (I dont even think I had a computer back then.  Amazing how time flies...)

 I do however have many local people who have witnessed all of what Ive said...
and can back me up.

Steve, I wasn't challenging you to put up - I actually want to see you spar. I'm taking JuJitsu, Aikido, Kyukido, and Hapkido right now, so this stuff interests me

[shmokes]

I just figured why you give me so much trouble.

Well, haven't fought just one person for so long; been specializing in groups, battling gangs for local charities, that kind of thing.

Well, you see-- you use different moves... when you're fighting... half a dozen... people... than when you only... have to be worried... about one...

[Xiaou2]

Saint, I knew you werent.  I merely felt the need to express that because
some others are more interested in poking fun than learning something
new.   Id gotten the run around from a bunch of these types many times
in my past.

 Btw - Your line-up is quite impressive.  Congrats to you.   I may start
training seriously again soon... and have been considering a 2nd art
such as Akido, or possibly Tai Chi if I can find a decent place around here.

[CCM]

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And Yeah, I knew it was a poke at me.  However, I felt it better to describe the
workings of the technology to those who actually wanted to benefit..

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Who are these people you speak of?

[Xiaou2]

Saint:

so this stuff interests me

 CCM,
 
 Just because You are not interested in learning and trying new things
does not mean others are as block-headed.

 And just because only 5 people reply on a thread does not mean
these are the only people reading (or will ever read) the thread.
Just that many people do not feel the need to reply, and or do not need
the grief of dealing & arguing with blockheads.

 You obviously THINK you know everything worth knowing.
However, you would be surprised at how much you dont know,
how much you know is wrong, incomplete, or inferior to other things
out there.

 There are Plenty of people who know and will learn more than you ever
will in your entire lifetime, simply because of your own poor attitude.