You're right, I did, but you try to find me a video of someone doing Wing Chun at full speed/contact... you can't because it doesn't exist. WC practitioners don't compete above the level shown in that video. Most WC practitioners don't even spar beyond chi sao drills... this is the heart of the problem with WC.
- First off, Ill Agree with you about certain points.
1) There are many Poor WC people out there.
2) The training is sometimes lacking in "Teeth"
That does not mean there are not Good WC people out there.. Nor that what is
taught useless, ineffectual, or have Superior tactics, protection & skills than the
styles you listed.
There are many fast WC vids. Live? Not so. Why? Because the reality of combat.
First, WC is designed for taking lives, and keeping protected. It was designed by
rebels whos intent was to take down the govt. powers of the time. It was made
to be learned extremely fast, and give the person the power to dispel a person in
a second flat... as well as ability to take on multiples.
Its techniques, such as the Stomp kick to the knee, WILL stop and down ANY attacker.
Ive already proven this to someone like yourself.. who gave me enough crap to warrant
a 35% power version. He being twice my mass, crying in tears for 6 min... and hobbled
the rest of the night. Injury not fully healed for a month of time. I felt very bad about
it, and since then, have not used excessive force to Prove something in combat. I Know
exactly what Im capable of... and Im not about to end up in jail or a lawsuit, for
others amusement.
Unlike Those Punk Gracies, who will break a fighters arm even after the person taps
out... I have decency standards.
Individual Techniques and working concepts can be proven easily, by limited power
demonstrations. They can handle the light level strike?.. then up to med level. Any
fighter feeling the level of power and stress on his knee to the point of scaring him of injury, will let him know how good the tech is without having a lifelong limp/pains.
Similarly, I can prove any day of the week, how a WC intercepting / re-directive blocking system has superior advantages over other arts such as Karate... and why after only an
official 1yr of classes... I was making masters of dojos look embarrassed. I was only
a baby in the system, who unlike many... had perfected the basic level foundations:
The most important aspect of all.
Anyone with a brain will see how the art gives a person an actual advantage, rather
than rely on mere speed, and superior strength. When you hit 70 yrs old, do you
think you will want to dive for the ground? Do you think you will be faster than a
fresh 19yr old punk? Do you think you will be able to maintain your superior strength?
Do you think you can sit there and take a punch or two with your more frail body?
These are among others, are many reason why WC was designed. Using intelligence
to gain superior positioning and leverages. Not simply punching, then retreating over
and over... while hopping like a bunny rabbit. Hoping not to get hit, while trying to
hit for yourself... and most the time, getting hit regardless.
Now - There ARE plenty of WC people who DO cross train with other styles. (Such as
Master Wong has as well) Ive done it, and rightly so, as anyone would expect... you
gain a lot.
For some time, I was getting my butt Handed to me. I realized, most of the problem
was Me.. and not the art. I merely was not sticking to the rules under stress.
Having incorrect positions, doing wrong moves at the wrong times. It makes you
more disciplined and focused, and eventually, I fixed the issues.
However, if you take WC, and make it a mere combat fest... you will lose a lot
of the precise technical ability. These things Need to be done slowly, and
working on to perfection at a beginner level. Eventually, you speed things up,
leave a static drill to a Live drill... and later, you need to spar it live.
Those who try to jump right into constant sparring Dont learn as much as you
would like to believe. You learn a few tricks, timing, etc. But then you stay at that
level forever... just trading blows. Technical precision needs much more refined
drilling.
An Analogy would be like learning to Oil Paint. You could try to rush a painting out
by following along with a Bob Ross video... but you are going to end up with something
that looks like a finger painting, rather than a masterpiece. His techniques in brush
loading and use, angles, a fine touch, color mixing, etc... are all very difficult skills.
The stuff he did in 30 min, took me 4 hrs long... and didnt look half as good.
If I had tried to rush every painting in 30 min, without properly developing the
techs fully... I would always end up with a mess. Instead, I took my time, just
like he did when he created/learned it... and ended up with a decent painting.
Many people dont seem to mind that they are finger painting. But when people I
meet see some of the stuff I do (fighting) , and how effective it was against them...
(sparring) they want to start doing stuff above finger paint level.
To be a master oil painted is no easy task. Bob Ross is a mere amateur compared
to the other skilled oil painters out there. And he Trained in the actual fine art
ways of painting. Like anything... if you want to be good, you have to put in
great efforts. Master Painting level is going to take a lot more time and dedication...
and the results may look worse than the avid finger painter initially... and for a
longer duration. However, in time, no finger painter in the world will could match
the level of precision, beauty, expression..etc... that a really good oil painter could
produce.
So, you will tend to see a lot more bad KungFu people than bad other arts
practitioners... Not because KF is bad, but because its more complex, and needs a
lot more time and skill to perfect.
The people who progress to levels of lethality... are not exactly the kind of people
that are going to go round breaking limbs to prove their abilities. They are not
going to participate in a finger painting competition. They would rather paint with
their proper brushes, superior paints, more colors, finer details...etc. No limits to what
they can do... and no need to trash others in the process. KF, is about protection.
Not about stupid ego/sport games.
I have never trained WC, but my son used to take Jow Ga at a school that also taught WC. The kids Jow Ga class was at the same time as the adult advanced WC class and it was in the next room without a wall between them. I watched WC twice a week for 8 months and maybe saw some type of sparring on 2 or 3 occasions. I am an experienced martial artist so I knew what I was looking at/seeing and could hear the teachers explaining the techniques/system. I was completely underwhelmed with what I saw... and the Sifu is a direct student of Ip Ching (son of Yip Man), Head of the International Wing Chun Martial Art Association, and personal interpreter for Ip Ching whenever he visits the United States; so you can't say that what i saw wasn't *the real Wing Chun*.
Ill look up Jow Ga later. Does not even sound official... but who knows. Anyways,
Weather or not the class spars means nothing. The first year of WC is all about
learning the foundations of the system, in a static situation. Its not till 2nd level
when you add footwork. And for good reasons. Most people have a hard enough time
operating the complex and precise dual handed operations of WC tactics. Watching
them, I doubt you could even differentiate what they were doing.. and why. You have
No idea how much coordination it takes... and how many times you accidentally, for
instance.. make two fists, instead of one hand being a fist, and the other a palm-upwards
hand. How if you are off by a mere CM, you will create an opening that will give an
opponent an advantage. How long it takes to build up the specialized "Stable"
technique lines (punching and blocking with perfect lines.. not wavering a bit)
How much sensitivity you learn.. so that you are not stiff like a robot, and easily
compromised by larger people... and able to flow around them with ease.
As said, this isnt Boxing or TKD. The blocking isnt simple like arm waves like Karate.
Its complex angles of interception. Its learning what tech to use for the type of
attack launched. Each technique flowing based on energy and directional levels.
It takes a person at least 3 classes to merely learn where in the air a "Tan Sao"
or "Palm up block" is supposed to be located in 3d space... let alone knowing how
to use it, when to use it.. and how to transition.. as Well as adding the use of
another hand doing something completely different at the same exact time.
As much as you understand, I can see why you Would think its crap. However,
until you actually Try some of the stuff, you are clueless. If you think you could
do the high level stuff of WC in a single class.. I dare you to mention your confidence,
and step up and prove to them how easy it all is. You wont last 60 seconds
without looking like a bumbling Idiot, as you will soon realize how sad your coordination
really is.
As for IP, Ive never trained with him. I know Yip man was a legend, and has many
true stories of his past exploits. I trained under Steve Lee Swift. A former Karate
guy, who gave it up for WC, and never looked back. His classes were at least
80 people at all times. The place was Huge. He regularly flew to China, and trained
with multiple WC branches. I believe more dealing with Yip Chun than anyone else.
He even spoke Cantonese fluently.
Additionally, every Friday at the school was open gym night. The guys from the MT class would always spar on Fridays and every once in awhile one of the WC guys would want to spar with them. It was hilarious to watch guys with 3 months of MT training beat the crap out of guys with 2 years of WC training.
Yet in a few more years, that guy has the potential to Mop the floor with them.
To the point where he could spar them and they couldnt even score a hit.
No doubt, a MT fighter will be no creme puff. But, I can take any MT fighter,
and make him a Better fighter with a years training in WC. Guaranteed.
2yrs is still Baby level in the art of WC. Especially if he is not training a full schedule,
and a lot outside of class.
ALSO, you may fail to realize, that he may be intentionally losing. Much like I was
when I was sparring.
IE: Many times i fought this one Kook Sul Wan guy. He rushed in... I threw a
2-hit chain to his head, and a stop kick to his knee. He proceeded to plow me
into the ground with his much larger mass.
However... I COULD have stopped him dead in his trax had I used power in my
punches... and Could have broke his knee had I put power into the kick. My victory
was a silent one. I was very happy, as I had easily targeted and struck the
incoming targets flawlessly. He on the other hand.. was laughing it up. That same
guy, was the one who I nearly crippled a few months later, for giving me poor respect,
even as I Tried to be nice about things.
Some people just are not intellectual enough. They only will understand if they are
completely incapacitated.
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