Author Topic: One more Mountain clone for my brother. Large pic update, no text. Enjoy. (Read 12885 times)

mccoy178 · « **on:** January 13, 2009, 11:19:59 am »

Well, I have 9 days to build one of these buggies from start to scratch. So, here we go. I don't have my camera on me, so I'll do what I can today to keep you interested.

Martijn · « **Reply #1 on:** January 13, 2009, 11:49:33 am »

9 days, even if you would already have EVERYTHING it will be hard.
or you could work 24/7 on it

even then...

good luck

javeryh · « **Reply #2 on:** January 13, 2009, 01:53:23 pm »

9 days!!!

This is going to be interesting!

mountain · « **Reply #3 on:** January 13, 2009, 04:15:00 pm »

Ben has a full time helper that can work 24hrs a day if needed. And, he is real accurate...like a machine.

Good luck buddy

DaOld Man · « **Reply #4 on:** January 13, 2009, 08:33:16 pm »

Why do I get the feeling that Mountain will be helping in real time?

Good luck mccoy! I will be watching your work, though I dont see how you will have time to take pictures..

mountain · « **Reply #5 on:** January 13, 2009, 09:27:17 pm »

Quote from: DaOld Man on January 13, 2009, 08:33:16 pm

Why do I get the feeling that Mountain will be helping in real time?

I told him on the phone today that I would help if I could but I have commitments this weekend.

If there is anybody here that can get it done in 9 days, it's Ben.

mccoy178 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 14, 2009, 12:02:25 am »

All right, at the end of day 1, here is what I got:
1. Motherboard, Ram, and Powersource ordered.
2. Magnets, lazy susan, and back grill purchased
3. 1/8" mdf purchased for shell
4. 1/4" black plexi already in hand.
5. Metal speaker grill already in hand.
6. Jukebox speaker ordered.
7. 500 gig harddrive already in hand.
8. Touchscreen already in hand.
9. White cold cathodes for marquee in hand.
10. Power connector for back of jukebox purchased
11. Laminate in hand.

Still need to stop at Radio Shack and pick up 1/8" jack, RCA jacks, switch, and ethernet plug. As well as screw terminals and tie offs. I also need to pick up a sheet of 1/2" pressboard or mdf to make the cabinet.

In terms of design, I've attached a couple of pics of what I have designed so far. They are in no way complete and far from done. I plan on doing all the cutting this weekend. We'll see................................

Franco B · « **Reply #7 on:** January 14, 2009, 01:57:18 am »

Good luck Ben!

Martijn · « **Reply #8 on:** January 14, 2009, 02:50:01 am »

dont forget the novus

mccoy178 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 14, 2009, 07:23:48 am »

Oh yeah, and I have Novus 1,2, and 3 from an old project.

Thanks for the support fellas!

Barry Barcrest · « **Reply #10 on:** January 14, 2009, 10:07:09 am »

Waht CPU and Motherboard did you go with? Those intel ATOM Dual core setups are dirt cheap.

mccoy178 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 14, 2009, 10:28:22 am »

That's exactly what I went with.

Martijn · « **Reply #12 on:** January 14, 2009, 10:56:36 am »

its de detailing work thats killing me for the juke

Will it be a direct copy ? or have more features and details

mccoy178 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 14, 2009, 11:33:24 am »

It's going to be an almost identical copy without the volume control and the back will look much simpler. Although Mountain told me he didn't care, I'm going to keep from giving all the details on how I built it. I will show most of the cnc work and stuff, just not all of the particulars.

Martijn · « **Reply #14 on:** January 14, 2009, 12:02:54 pm »

oh you wont make it by hand with a router ?

mccoy178 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 14, 2009, 12:53:44 pm »

Quote from: Martijn on January 14, 2009, 12:02:54 pm

oh you wont make it by hand with a router ?

I will be making it almost entirely by cnc. In my defense against purist, I have built a couple machines on here completely from scratch

. Also, I consider this new tool a whole new dynamic and challenge in terms of design and function. I have spent a few hours now working on the design in the software and I take it as a challenge to design something that not only looks good, but can be worked on at a later date. Now that I have a cnc machine, and have built both ways, I have just as much, if not more respect for someone with a machine due to it being a completely different medium in which to work and the expectations that come with it.

Martijn · « **Reply #16 on:** January 14, 2009, 01:16:22 pm »

i understand. 9 days will be easy then. a machine doesnt make a routing mistake

(if you programmed it right)

mccoy178 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 15, 2009, 12:02:04 am »

The design is mostly finished. I purchased the press board and mdf tonight for the main parts. If school is cancelled tomorrow, I'll try to get it cut out.

Barry Barcrest · « **Reply #18 on:** January 15, 2009, 03:48:25 pm »

You never told me what the shipping would be to the U.K?

mccoy178 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 15, 2009, 04:44:43 pm »

I have to figure out the weight first.

mccoy178 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 16, 2009, 01:42:26 am »

Okay, cutting started today. I already made one major design change, but I won't be able to cut it out until tomorrow. Please feel free to ask any questions you may have!

Here we go!

Almost done!

Here are the internals laid out:

This is the center part that will hold the motherboard and harddrive. I have changed this design to make both parts easily accessible:

Here is one of the two support structures. They go between the front and the middle and the back and the middle:

Here is the base of the top and the top of the base with holes drilled ever so slightly for the magnet parts:

I made a couple pieces to create a gap between the fan and the top of the base to allow for wiring:

Here is the bottom of the base with holes for the feet to sit in for alignment:

Franco B · « **Reply #21 on:** January 16, 2009, 03:44:21 am »

Looks great

Do you mill almost through the material and then just snap them out?

I could see you selling a few flat pack kits if you wanted to. Royalties would have to go to mountain of course

Martijn · « **Reply #22 on:** January 16, 2009, 03:47:27 am »

damn, it would take ages for me to create these shapes by hand

cnc is truly a different world of scratch building

DaOld Man · « **Reply #23 on:** January 16, 2009, 06:44:24 am »

You young hooligans with your fancy smancy CNCs! Get off my lawn!!!

Seriously, great work! Man I wish I had one of those machines.

Bender · « **Reply #24 on:** January 16, 2009, 11:04:44 am »

Wait , Wait , Wait hold the phone !
9 Days I thought you were insane

no one said anything about a CNC machine

this, this isn't fair!

seriously, though, great work and man you got a long way still to go in 6 days.
All the best of luck to you
remember it's better to be a little late and have all your fingers
although it looks like you don't have to actually cut anything

mountain · « **Reply #25 on:** January 16, 2009, 11:46:53 am »

Quote from: Bender on January 16, 2009, 11:04:44 am

no one said anything about a CNC machine

Quote from: mountain on January 13, 2009, 04:15:00 pm

Ben has a full time helper that can work 24hrs a day if needed. And, he is real accurate...like a machine.

thatitalian · « **Reply #26 on:** January 16, 2009, 12:13:17 pm »

Does anyone here have a CNC machine? That way I could build my cab in 9 days, enough time before I go away!

P.S. I hate you

you make me feel..... inadequate.

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #27 on:** January 16, 2009, 01:48:03 pm »

^ 9 days? Try 9 hours, lol

HairyDVD · « **Reply #28 on:** January 16, 2009, 02:33:18 pm »

I have a friend with a wood cutting cnc machine and think that cutting the wood is only a small fraction of the work involved making one of these bad boys.... You can cut shapes consistently and more accurate than by hand, and with a few tweaks if anything goes wrong get back on track a lot sooner. Sone shapes that would take hours to cut could be done in a matter of minutes.

Finishing can take a lot longer with any project, I am unsure as to what extent a cnc machine would help with that though - but I am looking forward to finding out.

I have got the sides of my machine cut out by cnc, but are lying idle in the garage due to the rubbish UK weather.

Good luck - will be keeping an eye on this build

Bender · « **Reply #29 on:** January 16, 2009, 02:40:53 pm »

Quote from: mountain on January 16, 2009, 11:46:53 am

Quote from: Bender on January 16, 2009, 11:04:44 am
no one said anything about a CNC machine

Quote from: mountain on January 13, 2009, 04:15:00 pm
Ben has a full time helper that can work 24hrs a day if needed. And, he is real accurate...like a machine.

I'm so slow... I missed that obvious hint

Martijn · « **Reply #30 on:** January 16, 2009, 02:52:57 pm »

will he use the new Screen Flush Technique (c) ?

So that you will route out the extending wires shape from the touchscreen that it will be flush with the plexi

I just bought a patent on it

mccoy178 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 16, 2009, 04:55:55 pm »

Quote from: Martijn on January 16, 2009, 02:52:57 pm

will he use the new Screen Flush Technique (c) ?

So that you will route out the extending wires shape from the touchscreen that it will be flush with the plexi

I just bought a patent on it

Well crude, I guess that ruins this project.

thatitalian · « **Reply #32 on:** January 16, 2009, 05:21:09 pm »

Quote from: HairyDVD on January 16, 2009, 02:33:18 pm

....but are lying idle in the garage due to the rubbish UK weather.

Amen brother! I would have started mine a long time ago if we could get one day of sunshine! But seriously, has anyone got a CNC and is willing to cut out cab designs? Obviously you will be paid!

McCoy, you laminating this bad boy?

mccoy178 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 16, 2009, 06:27:11 pm »

Yes sir!

mccoy178 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 16, 2009, 07:41:26 pm »

Today I visited Radio Shack and picked up just about everything else I will need. I still need a fan and that's about it. The computer should be here on Monday and I don't know about the speaker yet. I hope to finish designing the front and back tonight, as I have changed the design in my head about fifty times. They should get cut out either tomorrow or Sunday. I am hoping that by Tuesday I am in the drivers seat with this. Here's to hoping!

mccoy178 · « **Reply #35 on:** January 17, 2009, 12:18:46 am »

At the end of this day, I have finished design of the plexi parts and I am ready to finish cutting out parts tomorrow or Sunday. I also plan to prime everything.

dweebs0r · « **Reply #36 on:** January 17, 2009, 08:00:03 pm »

So, any plans any selling these little suckers in a pre-cut kit form?

mccoy178 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 18, 2009, 12:41:25 am »

Quote from: dweebs0r on January 17, 2009, 08:00:03 pm

So, any plans any selling these little suckers in a pre-cut kit form?

I do not have any plans to make kits. This is Mountain's design and I in no way intend to tread on that.

I picked up the final parts tonight at MicroCenter. I also finished toolpathing and drawing the remainder of the jukebox. Here is a couple pics of all the parts.

sinatra · « **Reply #38 on:** January 18, 2009, 01:18:05 pm »

After seeing that CNC milling machine, I feel like I never want to build anything ever again. Suddenly everything felt, oh so impossible..

But. I'm looking forward to seeing this thing ready

mccoy178 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 19, 2009, 01:33:05 am »

I finally was able to sneak away from the house to get the plexi cut. It was quite the nerve racking experience.

I was worried about the size of all the small holes, wether the acrylic would crack, and so on and so on. Well, it came out great I thought! Here are a couple of pics of the back of the bottom panel:

The panel includes a cat 5 hookup, an 1/8" jack for external speakers, rca outputs for external hookup, the power input, a power on button, and two switches. One switch is to switch between internal and external sound and the other is to turn the marquee light on and off.

The front of the juke came out well. I need to make a visit to Mountain to get some insight on how to polish this puppy up on the edges. The countersink on the back was .175" and the monitor fits like a glove:

The back came out well also. I probably should have just cut vent strips into the plexi, but I didn't trust that the machine would chip the acrylic or melt it, so I bought a plastic grill. Thus the big hole. I also included two usb ports on the back. Oh yeah, I also drilled 5, 1/8" holes 3/4" in to make the back removable to access everything:

I found out that my brother is not coming in to town until the 30th, so a little pressure is off. That doesn't mean I plan on slowing down this week though.

Martijn · « **Reply #40 on:** January 19, 2009, 02:48:10 am »

looking good.

the marquee light switch is a good idea!

those black strips are for the screen? i used double sided sticky tape, but you cant touch the little lines (touchscreen sensors i think) on the screen with it

mccoy178 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 19, 2009, 03:37:35 am »

Those are the countersink areas for the wires.

Martijn · « **Reply #42 on:** January 19, 2009, 05:11:47 am »

my screen has 4 wires, on all sides 1

mccoy178 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 19, 2009, 08:56:55 am »

Oh, both of those 15"ers I bought off of ebay only had them on the two sides.

DaOld Man · « **Reply #44 on:** January 19, 2009, 03:59:49 pm »

This project is gonna rock!
I think the monitor I bought had 3 sensors. Both sides and bottom. (For what it's worth).

mccoy178 · « **Reply #45 on:** January 20, 2009, 12:08:56 am »

Today the motherboard, ram, harddrive, and powersource arrived.

I finished painting everything and started putting the base together. Everything fits together so far.............

I finished off the day by mounting the harddrive and motherboard to their new homes and they fit nicely. Once I can start getting the frame together, I'll start to get the wiring underway.

Oh, and there is one slight problem down the road with this design, I'm not going to exactly be able to get the monitor out....................ever. But, I'll cross that bridge when it gets here.

drawfull · « **Reply #46 on:** January 20, 2009, 01:43:14 pm »

Quote from: mccoy178 on January 20, 2009, 12:08:56 am

Oh, and there is one slight problem down the road with this design, I'm not going to exactly be able to get the monitor out....................ever. But, I'll cross that bridge when it gets here.

Build something in - we hd hell replacing a faulty / blown speaker

mccoy178 · « **Reply #47 on:** January 21, 2009, 12:19:42 am »

Tonight the speaker arrived. Needless to say, it was a lot of work to get it ready. First, I would like to say, Altec is misleading in the fact that the speaker housing only has two real speakers and a third without a magnet or connections. Talk about a ripoff. Anyways, I had three issues to address. First, was figuring out how to open the dang thing as it was completely glued together. I used some channel locks to help "convince" it that it should open. Second, I created a holder for the speakers to cut out on the cnc, as the case it came in wasn't in the best condition after our little talk. It was also not an ideal design for easy placement. And last, but not least, I desoldered the power plug and soldered in some wires to run the power in line with the rest since there will be no plug ins on the inside of the jukebox. So far, the house is still standing.

richms · « **Reply #48 on:** January 21, 2009, 06:50:16 am »

A non connected speaker is usually a passive radiator - it acts somewhere between a ported and sealed box, so you get some extended response like a port gives you, without the total loss of control of the speaker when trying to operate below it.

in something like this with small drivers and I assume equalisation and a subsonic filter I would question the need for it so it might just be a marketing thing.

mccoy178 · « **Reply #49 on:** January 21, 2009, 07:40:15 am »

The reason for my little rant was because the completely sealed case gives the impression that there are three speakers in there, and there is actually, it's just that it's a complete blank. Thanks for the info though!

Nvts · « **Reply #50 on:** January 21, 2009, 08:50:19 pm »

I still need to go back and finish the wiring on mine, so any extra documentation you can provide will be very helpful

Looks great. Having a CNC takes weeks and weeks of labor out of the way, at least for me.

mccoy178 · « **Reply #51 on:** January 25, 2009, 02:05:19 am »

Big progress today. All wiring on the top half is complete. I momentarily hooked up the power to a pigtail and loaded windows, the touchscreen driver, and my music. So far so good. Tomorrow I plan on shining up the edges of the plexi and get that installed. Once those pieces are in, I can complete the wiring on the base. It won't be as pretty as Mountains, but I'm still very pleased. It was a tight fit to get the power source in. The wires from it alone made the insides look crazy busy. My brother is getting this on the 30th, so I have a few days left to finish. The only two things left to machine are the holder for the speakers, the plexi for the marquee, and the trim that goes around the outside of the jukebox. We'll see..............

mountain · « **Reply #52 on:** January 25, 2009, 09:26:05 pm »

Where are the pictures??

javeryh · « **Reply #53 on:** January 26, 2009, 10:32:46 am »

Quote from: mountain on January 25, 2009, 09:26:05 pm

Where are the pictures??

What he said!!!

beanboy33 · « **Reply #54 on:** January 26, 2009, 11:17:00 am »

Quote from: javeryh on January 26, 2009, 10:32:46 am

Quote from: mountain on January 25, 2009, 09:26:05 pm
Where are the pictures??

What he said!!!

What they said....

Martijn · « **Reply #55 on:** January 26, 2009, 11:25:38 am »

i think he is bluffing

Jabba · « **Reply #56 on:** January 26, 2009, 04:03:46 pm »

Looking good Mccoy. Where are you gonna put the cup holders ?

csa3d · « **Reply #57 on:** January 26, 2009, 04:28:15 pm »

Quote from: Martijn on January 26, 2009, 11:25:38 am

i think he is bluffing

What we can't see, is that he's got his CNC machine churning around the clock, making an army of Mountain Jukebox clones, ready to take over the world.
-csa

dweebs0r · « **Reply #58 on:** January 26, 2009, 08:43:36 pm »

Quote from: mountain on January 25, 2009, 09:26:05 pm

Where are the pictures??

Ditto.

Donkey_Kong · « **Reply #59 on:** January 26, 2009, 10:46:12 pm »

Quote from: Jabba on January 26, 2009, 04:03:46 pm

Looking good Mccoy. Where are you gonna put the cup holders ?

Next to the O and K buttons I think.

Martijn · « **Reply #60 on:** January 29, 2009, 01:40:32 am »

1 day left

Hows it comming

mccoy178 · « **Reply #61 on:** January 29, 2009, 11:13:36 am »

I am about to put the shell on the outside. Sorry for the lack of updates, I've been sanding for a week straight. Well, maybe not that long, but it sure as hell felt like it! I plan on doing a little separate write up on how to polish the plexi based off the suggestions Mountain gave me. It looks great, but the process can kiss my butt!

mccoy178 · « **Reply #62 on:** January 30, 2009, 12:23:37 am »

I felt like throwing the entire project away when the first attempt at the shell exploded! Fortunately, I took a break and rethought the idea and I was able to get it on okay. There are a couple small cracks, but they can be sanded. I believe the stress is going to come when I use the flush trim bit around the edges. I have plenty of contact cement, so I am not worried about the laminate.

To finish: I did not get a marquee made. I also do not have the bottom speaker grill cut, but I am confident I could get that done tomorrow. The other major item not finished is the trim that goes around the shell. He can't fly home with it anyways, so I will have time after the fact to polish it all up.

mccoy178 · « **Reply #63 on:** February 01, 2009, 03:29:35 am »

So, I'm dead tired, thus no descriptions to go with the pictures. I will fix that tomorrow.

thatitalian · « **Reply #64 on:** February 01, 2009, 05:32:07 am »

You're on my hit list!

Amazing work! Love the attention to detail!

javeryh · « **Reply #65 on:** February 01, 2009, 06:55:58 am »

It's just not fair! Awesome job - that thing is flawless.

Hockeyboy · « **Reply #66 on:** February 01, 2009, 08:48:01 am »

I told my wife that instead of building a cab for our home I should probably start off with something smaller, say, a jukebox. Then I showed her this thread and a couple others. She wanted to know right off the bat if I was asking for a CNC machine...haha...yeah, I wish.

This already looks incredible. I love the detail work along the edge. You guys are amazing.

Kaytrim · « **Reply #67 on:** February 01, 2009, 10:59:17 am »

The pic of the case with all those clamps looks like a porcupine.

Love the carved edge detail. I am guessing that the notes along the side will house LEDs?

Michael

mccoy178 · « **Reply #68 on:** February 01, 2009, 11:23:33 am »

Thanks for the compliments fellas! There is still a ways to go in relation to the marquee, the speaker grill, and a couple more custom trim pieces. The trim piece on the back has the quote from Blues Bros.:
... it's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses ...
Along the bottom it says, "... hit it ..."
The problem is that the trim piece is a hair too big and I think I will need to recut it. But that's for another day.

Kaytrim,
The notes are to just be painted. No leds this time............

More explanation later tonight after the game.

nipsmg · « **Reply #69 on:** February 02, 2009, 01:19:53 pm »

Quote from: Kaytrim on February 01, 2009, 10:59:17 am

The pic of the case with all those clamps looks like a porcupine. Love the carved edge detail. I am guessing that the notes along the side will house LEDs?

Michael

I was thinking it looked like something out of Hellraiser..

DaOld Man · « **Reply #70 on:** February 02, 2009, 06:26:05 pm »

Looking real good mccoy!


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