CP1, CP2, Neo Geo Emulator?

[hellothere123]

Which emulator runs these the best?

I've heard of Kawaks, Nebula and Final Burn??

Even Mame, but heard mame isn't the best...

what cha figure?

[waveryder]

hmmm maybe a google search might help.

[hellothere123]

hmmm maybe a google search might help.

seriously, why even post?

[Dire Radiant]

hmmm maybe a google search might help.

seriously, why even post?

Yes seriously, why did you post that? You have obviously nothing to contribute to the guy's question beyond infantile carping. Also maybe, given the forum he posted his question in he'd like to know about possible issues of the different emulators in an arcade cabinet? Some people...honestly...

Kawaks is a fine emulator with loads of options and works excellently but to be honest, unless you're running on a very old PC, MAME does the job just fine. If you're running from a frontend it also has the advantage that those games can easily appear in the same list as all your other arcade stuff, making the whole thing easier to use for other people. In short I'd go with Kawaks in a desktop machine but MAME in a cabinet.

[gonzo90017]

What's great about these 3 emus is that you can run NeoGeo, CPS1, and CPS2 full speed on older hardware. You can run them with as little as 128mb ram. But 256 is recommended since it greatle decreases load times on Neo Geo games.

Final burn for me crashes alot. It uses less resources than both winkawaks and Nebula. And some newer games are being added all the time. Some that aren't available in older versions of mame. (in case you're using older mame version for speed reasons.) It can run all games at 60fps with no frameskip on my 400mhz pc. It can run from the command line.

Nebula runs great too but uses more resources (new gui). It also runs full speed on my pc. It also runs from the command line. Exits using Shift+ESC. Nebula is also the only one of the 3 were I could get games to display with their proper aspect ratio.

Winkawaks also runs full speed on my pc. Does not run from the command line. You need to use a wrapper for it.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=57045.msg561021#msg561021 And the only way to exit is by using Enter to pause the game. Then pressing Alt+F4 to exit. Pretty easy to solve if you're using joytokey, xpadder or a controller hack. It also has the added benefit of saving decrypted c's

Ok, You got the emu and got the roms and now you notice that in the support games list that it list some games with 2 roms.

EG: NeoGeo   Metal Slug 3 (predecrypted)  mslug3nd.zip /   mslug3.zip

the first zip (mslug3nd) mentioned is the decrypted set and for many other games it has n or nd at the end of the zip name. also the size fo this zip will be small due to the fact that it only has decrypted c roms and s1 rom. (in mslug3 case tho decrypted p roms as well)

the second zip (mslug3.zip) is the original "big daddy" of its set of roms and will be big in size 70mb+ and it is encrypted.

So now you're left with a choice:
1. You get both encrypted and decrypted sets in your roms folder to play the game.
or
2. You can decrypt the roms and make one zip that will work in kawa-x

the bad thing about 1. is that it takes up more space where 2. takes up less space since everything is smaller and only 1 zip to use instead of 2.

To make 1 fully decrypted zip for kawa-x you can either get a decrypter/encryter called NeoEncrypter or get winkawaks for pc.

for this tut I'll use the kawaks method:
1. Download winkawaks and place anywhere you like and add your roms to the roms folder (don't forget the neogeo.zip).

2. Run winkawaks and before you load the game, go to tools and check off save decrypted c's.

3. Now load the game and you'll notice there will be a slight pause, this is normal and when the game starts, that means it done decrypting the c roms.

4. Go to the directory where winkawaks.exe is at and the c roms and s1 rom should be there (mslug3 doesn't use a s1 but all other games do).

5. Now extract everything but the c roms from the encrypted zip (in mslug3's case p roms aren't needed cuz you need decrypted p roms).

6. Now make a new zip with all the files you extracted/decrypted and name it as the main decrypted set. that varys from game to game but most are end with nd, use your supported games list on what to use. and you're done

If you're using mamewah you can have all your games appear in one list regardless of emulator. Here's a link to a small tutorial I made http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=70828.0

[waveryder]

"Also maybe, given the forum he posted his question in he'd like to know about possible issues of the different emulators in an arcade cabinet?"

Thats not what he asked! He asked which emulator runs the best. A pointless question. Its like asking which washing powder gets your clothes the cleanest. I suggested a google search as a way of finding out some information on these emulators that has been posted a million times.

Perhaps instead of posting questions that have been answered a million times before you should do a little research.

[SGT]

Emulators are constantly being improved upon.  There is so much incorrect information out there that is outdated.  There are a tons of old website pages that sing the praises of emulators that are no longer being developed or are no longer #1.  Besides, that IS what this forum is for.

[hellothere123]

"Also maybe, given the forum he posted his question in he'd like to know about possible issues of the different emulators in an arcade cabinet?"

Thats not what he asked! He asked which emulator runs the best. A pointless question. Its like asking which washing powder gets your clothes the cleanest. I suggested a google search as a way of finding out some information on these emulators that has been posted a million times.

Perhaps instead of posting questions that have been answered a million times before you should do a little research.

Point is, at one time you were a newb in this also. And guys like you have trouble remembering what its like. Your excited about the project, you are trying to find answers, so you post. Anyone that uses the net finds that you will get a ton of websites telling you to go this way, then another ton of sites tell you to go that way. That is why forums are used, to sort through the cr*p.

Stop assuming that people like me have no understanding of a PC, or haven't done websearches and research.

I'm not an idiot, I know computers, most likely even better than you do, so point is, don't post in forums if all you are is frustrated.

Nuff said

[waveryder]

Im sure your some kind of computer god! Far be it from me to question your genius.

My point is simple you asked which cps1/2 etc is the best. Well frankly as thats all you asked you got an appropriate response. Had you asked wich works best on an arcade monitor/vga/Tv cabinet setup you would have got a serious response. Maybe its not your computer skills im questioning just your interpersonal skills. 

[mcfreak]

Im sure your some kind of computer god! Far be it from me to question your genius.

My point is simple you asked which cps1/2 etc is the best. Well frankly as thats all you asked you got an appropriate response. Had you asked wich works best on an arcade monitor/vga/Tv cabinet setup you would have got a serious response. Maybe its not your computer skills im questioning just your interpersonal skills. 

I have to say that these responses annoy me as well.  If we were at work and I came to ask you a question, lets say, "What's better, a MAC or a PC?" I expect to get an answer from you on your opinion of the two, not "I don't know, go google it".  That response might end up on your 2007 Review. 

Back to the original poster, what kind of machine will you be running it on?  That will help with the choice.

[waveryder]

What a ridiculous comparrison. We arent at work. This is a forum, which relies on the good will of others
I think you should all take a "pill" and relax, this is a forum on the internet not "real life"
 

[mcfreak]

What a ridiculous comparrison. We arent at work. This is a forum, which relies on the good will of others
I think you should all take a "pill" and relax, this is a forum on the internet not "real life"
 

I couldn't agree more with you.  Good will of others = "hmmm maybe a google search might help."  This is a forum for discussion and not a search index for past conversions. Try to think of what this place would be like if no one asked questions (because they have all been asked before).  Getting off soapbox now.  Jeez I didn't want to get into one of these conversations either.  That is the other thing I hate in these topics.

I'll drop it and you are probably right, I need a pill or a beer.   

And back on topic again, I've used FBA (Final Burn) http://fba.emuunlim.com/ and it seems to run well on all my systems.

[hellothere123]

Im sure your some kind of computer god! Far be it from me to question your genius.

My point is simple you asked which cps1/2 etc is the best. Well frankly as thats all you asked you got an appropriate response. Had you asked wich works best on an arcade monitor/vga/Tv cabinet setup you would have got a serious response. Maybe its not your computer skills im questioning just your interpersonal skills. 

Problem with people like you is even when your wrong, you'll try to justify it.

No matter what you'll say, you have an attitude problem, its up to you if you want to reconsider your future actions and posts.

Really I could care less, I know guys like you never learn so peace to you.

[waveryder]

I dont need to justify anything. I replied to a vague post by someone that had no idea what they were talking about. You took offence, maybe you should have re- asked your question rather than getting defensive about your computer skills (whats that about? few issues methinks). Perhaps your skills are great and your knowledge and attitude outstanding but I feel its time to end this before you start crying again.

[Howard_Casto]

For the record, If I were around at the time, waveryder's original response would have been I one I had given. 

We teach people how to fish here, we don't give them free fish.  There are only like 4 cps emulators out there and only 3 that do neogeo and cps, mame being one of them, try em why do cha!  Now if the question would have been more specific then we could have actually helped, but asking "which one is the best" is like asking what your favorite color is.... knowning someone else's isn't going to change which color YOU like best. 

[SGT]

We teach people how to fish here, we don't give them free fish. 

Why not and who is "We"?  The software board does not get near the traffic that the main board does.  Telling someone to google it reminds me of the attitudes on the mame.net forum that just ceased to exist. 

Many here would learn from the discussion that this question would have generated.  The subject line was specific enough for those that want to get anal about such minor things can skip the post.  I suspect that since you already knew the answer to this question, you'd be quicker to pull the trigger on such a response. 

Trying to google the answer is ridiculous for this question because of all the old and outdated information that's out there.  Granted the answer is out there, but what the heck is this forum here for?  So we can tell them,  "We know the answer, but that's too easy.  Google it and find the answer on another forum somewhere else."  The answer could be delivered here in minutes without spending an hour trying to sift through all the crappy websites trying to find the CORRECT answer.

Telling him to try all the emulators to see which one is best when all he is asking for is opinions on a discussion board is beyond me.  Maybe I just don't get why people feel such responses benefit this board.

[hellothere123]

I dont need to justify anything. I replied to a vague post by someone that had no idea what they were talking about. You took offence, maybe you should have re- asked your question rather than getting defensive about your computer skills (whats that about? few issues methinks). Perhaps your skills are great and your knowledge and attitude outstanding but I feel its time to end this before you start crying again.

yawn

[hellothere123]

For the record, If I were around at the time, waveryder's original response would have been I one I had given. 

We teach people how to fish here, we don't give them free fish.  There are only like 4 cps emulators out there and only 3 that do neogeo and cps, mame being one of them, try em why do cha!  Now if the question would have been more specific then we could have actually helped, but asking "which one is the best" is like asking what your favorite color is.... knowning someone else's isn't going to change which color YOU like best. 

Asking which one is best = wrong question to ask

Asking which emulator do you personally rate to be more superior to the rest based upon hours of personal trial and error(sidebar: I know this is your personal preference, and I hereby declare to make up my own mind and take your opinion as such in guiding my own opinion towards my final solution of picking the correct emulator to play on my cabinet)= correct question



Got it!     



(Since when am I not allowed to ask what emulator is your personal pick? I kinda was looking for opinions anyway     )

[Zebidee]

Getting back on topic ....

I think that winkawaks ROCKS on my cabinets!

Compared to mame, the colours in particular seem to be more "true".  I always enjoy games like the metal slug series and 1944: the loop master more when played from Kawaks than from mame.

Never tried Nebula though.