Author Topic: Discussion: Ultracade and the Mame Trademark (Read 126527 times)

IntruderAlert · « **Reply #280 on:** February 22, 2005, 10:58:15 pm »

it's not a one man operation

go here and search for ultracade
http://biz.gamedaily.com/search.asp

then read the articles

i posted about one of them on the last page

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #281 on:** February 22, 2005, 11:06:00 pm »

Because he wants to own it himself,

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #282 on:** February 22, 2005, 11:11:11 pm »

When are one of you flash users going to make a parody? I'd love to see a dude wearing a T-shirt with his products on it saying "I own that! That's Mine! Gimme That!" etc. etc. Then crap falls on him. You just don't get any funnier than poop.

Setabs · « **Reply #283 on:** February 22, 2005, 11:32:52 pm »

Quote from: Crazy Cooter on February 22, 2005, 11:06:00 pm

edit/
Anyone that wants to use the banner below can. I'd love to see that thing propagated around the net.

Sorry I dont see anything except for the hosted by angelfire pic

Paul Olson · « **Reply #284 on:** February 23, 2005, 04:15:25 am »

Look at the Arcade Legends logo on the trademark app. It is not the same one he uses on his machines, not even close.

Multicade is not his. They are the 9in1, 39in1, ect that he is complaining about in his letter.

Paul

Quote

Quote from: SirPoonga on Yesterday at 06:08:28 PM
Quote from: pcolson on February 21, 2005, 01:30:34 AM
Here's a couple more he's tring for.

Multicade s/n 76629621
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76629621

Arcade Legends s/n 76611855
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76611855

I changed the links to the status pages, hopefully these wont expire. Serial numbers added in case they do (Thanks for letting me know they expired emdkay). I found them searching for "Lee Hagelshaw" in the boolean search.

Paul

Go look at what ultracade sells....

ras2a · « **Reply #285 on:** February 23, 2005, 04:39:10 am »

sorry if mentioned, but has the ultracade site been pulled?

Edit: Still up, was looking in wrong place

Thenasty · « **Reply #286 on:** February 23, 2005, 09:35:32 am »

saw this pic at Retrogames and I wish or maybe it is

FOLEY

Edit: that's just NASTY.

IntruderAlert · « **Reply #287 on:** February 23, 2005, 09:43:35 am »

..where's a moderator when you need one?

Goz · « **Reply #288 on:** February 23, 2005, 09:46:45 am »

Eeeek my eyes!

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #289 on:** February 23, 2005, 09:49:37 am »

Quote from: Setabs on February 22, 2005, 11:32:52 pm

Quote from: Crazy Cooter on February 22, 2005, 11:06:00 pm

edit/
Anyone that wants to use the banner below can.

shawnzilla · « **Reply #290 on:** February 23, 2005, 09:50:08 am »

I don't think I'd ever leave my room if I had a set like that!

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #291 on:** February 23, 2005, 09:55:59 am »

Quote from: pcolson on February 23, 2005, 04:15:25 am

Look at the Arcade Legends logo on the trademark app.

kcorcoran · « **Reply #292 on:** February 23, 2005, 11:46:39 am »

theNasty....

PM me!

keith.

DrewKaree · « **Reply #293 on:** February 23, 2005, 12:25:41 pm »

Quote from: BrokenBones1 on February 21, 2005, 06:54:05 am

His comments look 3/4 reasonable. Looks like he just wants "apples for apples" comparison when advertising cabs for sale.

Until you read the following on his letters, and put 2 and 2 together and realize something. First, his words:

Quote

We have no desire to use the M.A.M.E. name or logos; we simply wish to find ways to prevent illegal distribution of classic arcade games.

Second, if his intent is to find ways to prevent illegal distribution of CLASSIC ARCADE GAMES, why has he hit up emdkay for royalties payments? Those are marquees and artwork, something he stated he had no desire to use (regarding MAME, anyway), yet is trying to shake emdkay for money.

The guy is interested in making money in whatever way possible by whatever means possible, and seems to have posted his letters in an effort to cover his ass by offering up half-truths that don't actually match up to his actions.

If this were an effort to prevent illegal distribution of arcade games, why hassle a guy who deals with artwork, and is in no way illegally distributing ANY arcade games?

I think those letters are his hole card he's going to play, and unless people who were CLEARLY not involved in the practices he claims to want to stop speak up and demonstrate that his actions are malicious and are an attempt to gain payment for something he claims not to want, this very quickly becomes an apparent attempt at extortion from some, an injurious business practice to others, and a myopic stance by a misguided man.

RetroJames · « **Reply #294 on:** February 23, 2005, 12:30:02 pm »

DK - My thoughts exactly. I always go back to the marquee seller's he shutdown. It tends to invalidate his other claims.

RayB · « **Reply #295 on:** February 23, 2005, 12:43:57 pm »

Since people seem to like repeating what's already been said... I'll do the same:

Even if he had NOT threatened Marquee printers, etc... Even if all we had seen was his "good intentions"... NO ONE APPOINTED HIM AS THE MAME SHERIFF. It's up to the MAME devs to police illegal sale of their software, and it's up to the individual game companies (or the Software Piracy Association) to police the sale of ROMs.

He also doesn't own the logo, so he's an idiot regardless of any intentions he claims.

unclet · « **Reply #296 on:** February 23, 2005, 12:54:32 pm »

I like his explanation and I think the Mame community should work with Ultracade and get the logo registered/owned by Mame development.

Lilwolf · « **Reply #297 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:04:07 pm »

btw, the mame team has asked people to stop really talking about it (mame specific... I think the ebay issue is still up for grabs).

Aaron is doing all the legal stuff and they don't want a bunch of talk about it until then.

It sounds like in the end, Ultracade has offered the mame team the trademark (with conditions). The mame team (nearly them all) are against people using mames name to sell any product (IE mame cabinets... but I would hope they are fine with component items like Oscar mentioning his spinners run great with mame but I don't know).

Another thing to mention. Ultracade (Dave?) sent numerous emails to the mame team offering to help the mame team trademark MAME... but he sent them to very old email addresses from the readme file and never thought the check mame.net... duh...

But all in all. Ultracade is not going after mame itself... especially now... But is going after the commercial use of the mame name....

I still think hes a slime.. but speculation isn't helping... and Aarons website is the place to go for updates....

SirPoonga · « **Reply #298 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:14:33 pm »

Quote from: Lilwolf on February 23, 2005, 01:04:07 pm

It sounds like in the end, Ultracade has offered the mame team the trademark (with conditions).

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #299 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:19:45 pm »

There is no way anyone should work with this guy.

menace · « **Reply #300 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:35:13 pm »

where do we read the "official" mame devs position on this?--have they issued a statement or anything--i have no desire to wade through 3 days of posts on mame.net for the one nugget of info. I would think if the mame.net people are on the ball it would be on the front page as I would think this would be considered a major issue. Anyways--anyhelp on official responses for those of us not in the know?

RetroJames · « **Reply #301 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:38:02 pm »

I am going to wrap up and unsubscribe from the thread for now, here are my parting thoughts -

-I find it questionable that he made a good faith effort to contact
the MameDevs.

RetroJames · « **Reply #302 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:39:31 pm »

Quote from: menace on February 23, 2005, 01:35:13 pm

where do we read the "official" mame devs position on this?--have they issued a statement or anything--i have no desire to wade through 3 days of posts on mame.net for the one nugget of info.

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #303 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:39:58 pm »

http://www.aarongiles.com/
If you read the comments, bear in mind they are not his.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #304 on:** February 23, 2005, 02:05:29 pm »

Quote from: 1hookedspacecadet on February 23, 2005, 01:38:02 pm

I am on the fence with some of the cabinet makers
on this issue.

Chris · « **Reply #305 on:** February 23, 2005, 02:23:52 pm »

Quote from: SirPoonga on February 23, 2005, 01:14:33 pm

SOOOO, would this mean Emdkay's marwuees, anything with mame one them, is not legal to sellt hen without permission from the mame devs (Nicola, Haze, Aaron Giles...)

Legally, emdkay needs permission from both the artist who designed the MAME logo and the artist who designed the marquee containing the logo. Santoro got permission to use the logo on tokens from the people at mame.net in exchange for having the mame.net URL appear on the token. The word MAME itself doesn't need permission as it's not yet trademarked.

--Chris

SirPoonga · « **Reply #306 on:** February 23, 2005, 02:50:26 pm »

Quote from: Chris on February 23, 2005, 02:23:52 pm

Quote from: SirPoonga on February 23, 2005, 01:14:33 pm
SOOOO, would this mean Emdkay's marwuees, anything with mame one them, is not legal to sellt hen without permission from the mame devs (Nicola, Haze, Aaron Giles...)
Legally, emdkay needs permission from both the artist who designed the MAME logo and the artist who designed the marquee containing the logo.

Chris · « **Reply #307 on:** February 23, 2005, 03:37:14 pm »

Quote from: SirPoonga on February 23, 2005, 02:50:26 pm

Right, I meant when it gets trademarked by the devs.

M3talhead · « **Reply #308 on:** February 23, 2005, 03:44:44 pm »

....I just had the worst nightmare.....

GGKoul · « **Reply #309 on:** February 23, 2005, 04:40:20 pm »

Thats scary!

SirPoonga · « **Reply #310 on:** February 23, 2005, 05:45:40 pm »

Quote from: Chris on February 23, 2005, 03:37:14 pm

Quote from: SirPoonga on February 23, 2005, 02:50:26 pm
Right, I meant when it gets trademarked by the devs.

Santoro · « **Reply #311 on:** February 23, 2005, 05:59:59 pm »

Quote from: SirPoonga on February 23, 2005, 05:45:40 pm

Quote from: Chris on February 23, 2005, 03:37:14 pm
Quote from: SirPoonga on February 23, 2005, 02:50:26 pm
Right, I meant when it gets trademarked by the devs. Then anyone wanting to sell something with mame on it will need permission.
That is correct for the word MAME, but the art itself is under automatic copyright, so he really should get permission for that now.

Actually....

http://www.mame.net/features.html

"The MAME logo was designed by chemical and cleaned up by Exodus3D. The high resolution version is available here (765 kB JPEG, resolution 5000x4000). A version without the purple flash is available here (531 kB JPEG, resolution 4500x1500). The usage is free for non-commercial purposes (such as websites), for any commercial purpose (includes use in magazines), please ask a permission from the webmaster. "

It actually took me a while to determine the email address of the webmaster. My first email to webmaster@mame.net went nowhere. I had to poke around the site before I found it.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #312 on:** February 23, 2005, 07:43:13 pm »

Quote from: Shape D. on February 23, 2005, 05:52:39 pm

This is annoying

Did oyu click on it? Did you not read one of my other replies? Go ahead, click on it. You make saint some money

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #313 on:** February 23, 2005, 10:13:58 pm »

hold please...

emdkay · « **Reply #314 on:** February 23, 2005, 10:37:49 pm »

I just noticed this thread appear as the #8 Google hit for "ultracade"

quarterback · « **Reply #315 on:** February 23, 2005, 10:39:51 pm »

Quote from: emdkay on February 23, 2005, 10:37:49 pm

I just noticed this thread appear as the #8 Google hit for "ultracade"

krick · « **Reply #316 on:** February 23, 2005, 10:55:48 pm »

Quote from: SirPoonga on February 23, 2005, 07:43:13 pm

Quote from: Shape D. on February 23, 2005, 05:52:39 pm
This is annoying

Did oyu click on it?

Goz · « **Reply #317 on:** February 23, 2005, 10:56:38 pm »

So we need more referrences to Ultracade. Maybe periodically a link to an ultracade page.

Maybe it can be #1 if we truly apply ourselves

-Goz

Crazy Cooter · « **Reply #318 on:** February 23, 2005, 11:15:18 pm »

GRRRR

I had a big post all done up and I lost it. I'm pissed. It's big news too. Now all my links are gone... GRRRR

RetroJames · « **Reply #319 on:** February 23, 2005, 11:16:43 pm »

Quote from: quarterback on February 23, 2005, 10:39:51 pm

Quote from: emdkay on February 23, 2005, 10:37:49 pm
I just noticed this thread appear as the #8 Google hit for "ultracade"


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