Pantera Guitarist Dimebag Darell Shot and killed onstage

[DrewKaree]

 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6683479/

HOLY CRAP!

NOW who is to blame?  Or is it just ironic and "the music made me do it"?

From what I've heard two band members were killed along with two others - others wounded.


I can only wonder what the heck made him do it. 

[Vicious]

That's some crazy stuff right there.  I'd never listened to Damageplan but used to listen to Pantera a lot in high school.  As soon as I saw the name Dimebag Darrell I was like, WTF?!?

Like you, I wonder what the hell made this guy do it.

[DYNAGOD]

What a huge loss..im not a huge pantera fan, but as a fellow guitarist, he was undeniable a fantastic musician..
some idiot in a hooded sweatshirt walked up onstage at last nites show and opened fire killing darell and several others..
THIS WORLD HAS OFFICIALLY GONE TO HELL IN A HAND BASKET
the stage is the last place you ever expect someone to come up and shoot you six times in the face..
5 dead.....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20041209/ap_on_re_us/nightclub_shooting

[Hoagie_one]

absurd

[ChadTower]

CNN says 4 dead.

[Trenchbroom]

Sad.  Darrell could really play the guitar.  Pantera is one of the all time greats.

[rampy]

that is sad.  I wore out my vulgard display of power and driven cassettes back in the day.  Even saw them live once, really good performance.  I wonder if this is gonna jack up the price on those dean guitars.

Well I guess we can make the Pantera reunion 3 more bullets joke now.

rampy

[Magnet_Eye]

and what sucks is they killed the shooter, so how the hell are we ever going to know WHY he did it? Did he have some hatred towards the band? Was he in a rival band? did Darrel or someone screw his wife/girlfriend?

Anyway, a tragedy for sure.. I am in a band myself, and I hope nothing crazy ever happens when I am out there pouring my soul out... 

[JackTucky]

You think if you name your kid Dimebag, he'll live a nice long life, but this time, they were wrong.

Art

[simplygriff]

That f'n sucks.  Pantera was my first concert.  4th row.  Right in front of Dimebag.  I even caught and still have one of his picks.    Saw them again for my girlfriend, now wife's, first concert.  Pantera really had a place in our hearts as odd as that may sound.
-G

[Vicious]

When I checked out Drew's post about Damageplan members being shot, I had no idea that Dimebag Darrell would be one of them.  Although the circumstances suck, it's cool to see other Pantera fans posting here.  Hopefully this idiot left behind some kinda message about why he did it.

[DYNAGOD]

Nathan Gale, 25, of Marysville,

read a first hand account of that ---punks--- evil doings from someone in the stands..

http://discussions.elektra.com/wm-damageplan/messages/?msg=6249

[Stingray]

Heard about this on the radio this morning. That's just insane. I'd certainly like to know what the guy's motive was, assuming he had one and it wasn't just some psychotic who randomly chose that time & place to snap.

-S

[DYNAGOD]

read the post above you, it expalins his motives. 

[locash]

The damageplan message board seems to be down.

In any case, I am not sure why people are concerned with the killer's motives.  Are you expecting to find something that justifies the murder of 4 people?  What could possibly justify that?

[DYNAGOD]

a guy jumped up on stage yelling directly at  dimebag that he was responsible for breaking up pantera, and now how was "someone whos name i cant remeber" supposed to have money for heroin..

guess he then processed to shoot him right in the head..

im sure law enforcement asked for the site to be pulled down..
too many eye witnesses talking about with an active multiple murder investigation going on..

[Vicious]

a guy jumped up on stage yelling directly at  dimebag that he was responsible for breaking up pantera, and now how was "someone whos name i cant remeber" supposed to have money for heroin..

If he's talking about someone's heroin addiction, it was probably Philip Anselmo (lead singer for Pantera).  If that's the case then this guy sounds like a total f'n loser with no life (no pun intended).

[JCKnife]

I've never heard this musician but what a shame for him and the other dead (except the shooter). Too bad Ohio has such restrictive concealed-carry laws that don't allow citizens to carry in establishments that serve alcohol. Just one armed citizen could have saved lives.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

NOW who is to blame?

Well....we know it wasn't the gun, as only people kill people.

[JoyMonkey]

I think maybe the killer is an insane fan that blames Dimebag for the Pantera breakup.

[Stingray]

In any case, I am not sure why people are concerned with the killer's motives.  Are you expecting to find something that justifies the murder of 4 people?  What could possibly justify that?

Not trying to justify anything. Clearly there's no justification for something like this. Only wondering why he would have wanted to do it.

Too bad Ohio has such restrictive concealed-carry laws that don't allow citizens to carry in establishments that serve alcohol. Just one armed citizen could have saved lives.

Oh yes, I'm sure a shootout in a crowd would have caused much less death.

-S

[DYNAGOD]

a guy jumped up on stage yelling directly at  dimebag that he was responsible for breaking up pantera, and now how was "someone whos name i cant remeber" supposed to have money for heroin..

If he's talking about someone's heroin addiction, it was probably Philip Anselmo (lead singer for Pantera).  If that's the case then this guy sounds like a total f'n loser with no life (no pun intended).

i ebelive that was it..
i dont know if he was a friend of anselmo or just a psychotic  fan who had projected himself into their lives..

[DrewKaree]

They did have a shootout - and quickly.  There were armed folks in the crowd

The police shot and killed the guy.

As you say - think of how many more could have been shot and killed if they hadn't been there.

Actually, think of how many could have been saved if they had been closer and more aware of what was going on - I'm betting they thought it might have had something to do with the show - hence the delay and resulting deaths.

[DrewKaree]

<i>NOW who is to blame?</i>

Well....we know it wasn't the gun, as only people kill people.   

Although this story is tragic, I have to say that with a name like Dimebag, my guess is that drugs are somehow involved.

Try using these to surround your "i's", MrC

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Well, THAT'S the first logical thing I've ever seen you say, even though you mean it sarcastically.

I've YET to see in the story where the guy threw his gun on stage and it went off, killing several people.  Again, what you seem to miss, is the large 150+ lb wart of a human being who was hell-bent on extracting some sort of "justice". 

From all reports thus far, the guy felt he needed to make someone pay - specifically that dimebag dude - and WAS able to get close enough where even without a gun, he'd have been able to kill at least ONE person - for some reason you can't seem to get it into your head that the gun was just what he chose to use - and the PERSON killed PEOPLE. 


Hey, one thing I DON'T find your loony point addressing is how he would have been subdued - after all, he was subdued with - A GUN!  What should the cops have done?  Adopted a resolution that he drop the gun?   


Drugs were involved    Do ya THINK?  So I guess, like as in your silly jab at guns - we should now work to legalize more of them   

   


Hey, how's it going with your "get out the Kerry vote" campaign?

[Zakk]

Have you ever noticed that it seems like only real musicians get killed?

[Dartful Dodger]

Have you ever noticed that it seems like only real musicians get killed?

[Zakk]

Have you ever noticed that it seems like only real musicians get killed?

[Dartful Dodger]

Sorry, can't follow your logic on this, maybe re-read my post?

Rhodes was killed in a small plane accident
Vaughn was killed in a helicopter accident
Hendrix was killed by police who would were restraining him (which caused him to choke on his own vomit.

My uncle was killed by a heart attack; I didn't know he was real musician.

If you

[Zakk]

Was it the cheap shot at nsynch that upset you or what? 

[Dartful Dodger]

Was it the cheap shot at nsynch that upset you or what?

[Zakk]

Never heard of Randy Rhodes!?!!??!?!?!??!


Now what is this world coming to?   

That's it, I'm going into the den and playing my Ozzy records...er I mean CD's yes, CD's

heh   

[DYNAGOD]

Never heard of Randy Rhodes!?!!??!?!?!??!


Now what is this world coming to?   

That's it, I'm going into the den and playing my Ozzy records...er I mean CD's yes, CD's

heh   

now that a crime....not to know who randy rhodes is..sadly he died before he ever got to be a celebrity..

and saying that handguns are responsible for this...
 is like saying that its not the drunk driver who kills someone its the car..

[DYNAGOD]

...we need to merge threads......

 

saying that handguns are too blame in this is like saying that its not a drunk driver whos responsible for killing someone,its the car..
BAN CARS!!!

[Floyd10]

Yeah, it really sucks. Not just that its dimebag, I'll admit, I am not a huge fan. I like slayer better, but Its just horrific that this would happen. he was very talented, and from what I know, he didnt deserve it. I do want to know the motives. Sort of like when jammaster Jay was shot and killed. The only differences are the bands, and this was in a crowded area.


sucks

[SOAPboy]

Told my gf last night about it.. she asked if they were playing Fu**ing hostile.. >_<

Sad to see him go.. But tbh its not a shock..

[danny_galaga]

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[ray_slup]

I'll have to listen to the song CEMETERY GATES from Pantera's first album is a tribute. 

[DrewKaree]

Never heard of Randy Rhodes!?!!??!?!?!??!


Now what is this world coming to?   

That's it, I'm going into the den and playing my Ozzy records...er I mean CD's yes, CD's

heh   

I've heard that listening to Ozzy can make middle class mothers who don't take an interest in their children's lives blame Ozzy in an effort to deny any personal responsibility they may feel   

Dartful, Randy Rhodes was the guitarist Ozzy was most enamored of, and with whom he made some of his greatest songs.  Even though I don't get stoned anymore, I still like to listen to 'im once in a while....I think.  The short term memory is a bit.....Even though I don't get stoned anymore, I still like to list...

[danny_galaga]

They did have a shootout - and quickly.

[Stingray]

whether you're for or against gun laws, most people would agree that it's not a great idea to be having a whole buncha armed folks together drinking...

Which was the point I was trying to make. For the record, I'm not anti-gun. I own a couple myself. I just don't think it would have ended better had half a dozen civilians who had been drinking in that crowd pulled out guns and started shooting.

And good for the police officer who arrived and took this guy out. One less psychotic that the prison system won't have to feed for a few years before eventually sending him back out on the street.

-S

[DrewKaree]

That's a pretty good arrival time or that guy was a piss poor shot!

Ya know, if all the pigs weren't out busting teenager's chops for buying and smoking oregano, they could have done some REAL police work here 

 

Hey, can we get the police smiley in riot gear now?  I think this situation calls for it, hey? 

[SirPeale]

...we need to merge threads......

Done.

[DYNAGOD]

Thanks for the merge!

most people would agree that it's not a great idea to be having a whole buncha armed folks together drinking...

i totally agree..i dont want a bunch of people getting liquored up and packing concealed.
however on other side of the coin lies the fact that a person hell bent on ending life, isnt going to follow that law and those people that are,are likely going to meet the same fate as this horrific example demonstrated..

sadly theres no middle ground..well actualy there is...an armed police detachment should be mandatory at ANY concert gathering over 100 people.
i cant believe this club didnt have an officer detail there for this show..

[mr.Curmudgeon]

... most people would agree that it's not a great idea to be having a whole buncha armed folks together drinking...

Drew just calls that a family reunion.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Drew,

for some reason you can't seem to get it into your head that the gun was just what he chose to use - and the PERSON killed PEOPLE.

Because guns effectively kill people. That's why it was chosen. I just can't get my head around how you think a room full of people with guns will somehow lead to less death by guns.

If I had magic powers, I'd grant you your wish for one day just to see how many people would blow each other away. Then I'd reverse it and tease you for being wrong.

[DrewKaree]

:searches for stats on strangulation due to frustration:

[danny_galaga]

And good for the police officer who arrived and took this guy out. -S

you americans are so congenial  . if theres an agressive person around, you don't crash-tackle him. you don't shoot him. you buy him a nice dinner and flowers  . after all, he just needed someone who cares...

what.. the ... world.. needs ..now.. is .. love.. sweet ...love.....

 

[tep0583]

Drew,

for some reason you can't seem to get it into your head that the gun was just what he chose to use - and the PERSON killed PEOPLE.

Because guns effectively kill people. That's why it was chosen. I just can't get my head around how you think a room full of people with guns will somehow lead to less death by guns.

If I had magic powers, I'd grant you your wish for one day just to see how many people would blow each other away. Then I'd reverse it and tease you for being wrong.

It's a useless arguement anyway.

Even with CCW, it isn't legal to carry in a bar/nightclub.  Nobody but the police was armed legally that night.

I'm all for an armed populace, but even I see why allowing guns in bars is a bad idea. One might be abke to make the case that metal detectors would have preventerd this frmo happening, but that's hindsight. You can bet they'll be present from now on. That's not a bad thing.

[tep0583]

And good for the police officer who arrived and took this guy out. -S

you americans are so congenial  . if theres an agressive person around, you don't crash-tackle him. you don't shoot him. you buy him a nice dinner and flowers  . after all, he just needed someone who cares...

what.. the ... world.. needs ..now.. is .. love.. sweet ...love.....

 

Usually because the wrong Americans are around.

I can understand not charging a guy with a gun, if he's looking your way and his attention's on you . If he isn't, it only makes sense to jump him before he decides you look like a good target.

Take the people who were shot on a NY subway some year back. I understand not charging him while he's shooting randomly, but he RELOADED for Christ's sake! As soon as he drops the hammer on an empty chaimber, I'm on my way. All I have to do is prevent him from reloading untill more people jump him.....

[TOK]

Drew,

for some reason you can't seem to get it into your head that the gun was just what he chose to use - and the PERSON killed PEOPLE.

Because guns effectively kill people. That's why it was chosen. I just can't get my head around how you think a room full of people with guns will somehow lead to less death by guns.

If I had magic powers, I'd grant you your wish for one day just to see how many people would blow each other away. Then I'd reverse it and tease you for being wrong.

87 dead, Happy Land Social Club, The Bronx, New York. Arson.
32 dead, Upstairs Bar, New Orleans. Arson.
25 dead, Puerto Rican Social Club, New York City. Arson.
24 dead, Gulliver's Discotheque, Port Chester, N.Y. Arson fire in nearby bowling alley spread to disco.

Ban matches!

[geomartin]

Interesting to note:

Our liberally controlled blue states with strict gun restrictions and lenient sentencing policies seem to have the highest crime rates and highest rate of repeat offenders.  The religiously zealotous red states have a lower crime rate.  Hmmmm???  I live in a blue state so out of caution I keep a Ruger 44mag in the nightstand next to the bed

[locash]

Interesting to note:

Our liberally controlled blue states with strict gun restrictions and lenient sentencing policies seem to have the highest crime rates and highest rate of repeat offenders.  The religiously zealotous red states have a lower crime rate.  Hmmmm???  I live in a blue state so out of caution I keep a Ruger 44mag in the nightstand next to the bed

Sources to support this?

My sources seem to indicate that the crime rates are significantly lower in MA, VT, NY and CA (typical liberally controlled blue states)  than they are in TX, FL, SC, GA and TN (sample red states).  And this pattern goes beyond the samples I cite.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004912.html

Please keep in mind that I am for gun ownership, I just don't see that it warrants making up statistics.

[danny_galaga]

And good for the police officer who arrived and took this guy out. -S

you americans are so congenial

[DrewKaree]

Lookit danny!  First he posts that he misses TA Pilot, and now he's trying to draw him out of retirement by keeping an "obvious" gun thread alive!

What's next danny, posting a "Please come back to the forum" thread for Floyd10 to read?      

[JCKnife]

I just don't think it would have ended better had half a dozen civilians who had been drinking in that crowd pulled out guns and started shooting.

-S

Oh, I agree entirely--alcohol and guns DO NOT mix! However, I hate being disarmed when I go into a restaurant that serves alcohol and I drink Diet Coke.

[Stingray]

I hate being disarmed when I go into a restaurant that serves alcohol and I drink Diet Coke.

I can honestly say that's never come up.

-S

[JCKnife]

I can honestly say that's never come up.

-S

it's Ohio law. Anyplace with a liquor license is off-limits for concealed carry.

[tep0583]

And good for the police officer who arrived and took this guy out. -S

you americans are so congenial  . if theres an agressive person around, you don't crash-tackle him. you don't shoot him. you buy him a nice dinner and flowers  . after all, he just needed someone who cares...

what.. the ... world.. needs ..now.. is .. love.. sweet ...love.....

 

Usually because the wrong Americans are around.

I can understand not charging a guy with a gun, if he's looking your way and his attention's on you . If he isn't, it only makes sense to jump him before he decides you look like a good target.

Take the people who were shot on a NY subway some year back. I understand not charging him while he's shooting randomly, but he RELOADED for Christ's sake! As soon as he drops the hammer on an empty chaimber, I'm on my way. All I have to do is prevent him from reloading untill more people jump him.....

um, i was just playing with words. in australia, taking out usually involves dinner and flowers. i thought it was sweet of the police officer to 'take him out' 

Ah, yeah, guess I should have read that closer...

[Stingray]

I can honestly say that's never come up.

-S

it's Ohio law. Anyplace with a liquor license is off-limits for concealed carry.

I was refering to the part about drinking Diet Coke in a place that serves alcohol.

-S

[Dartful Dodger]

I just don't think it would have ended better had half a dozen civilians who had been drinking in that crowd pulled out guns and started shooting.

-S

Oh, I agree entirely--alcohol and guns DO NOT mix! However, I hate being disarmed when I go into a restaurant that serves alcohol and I drink Diet Coke.

In Ohio you can not go on a stage and start killing people, the man that did was breaking the law.