Pantera Guitarist Dimebag Darell Shot and killed onstage

[DrewKaree]

That's a pretty good arrival time or that guy was a piss poor shot!

Ya know, if all the pigs weren't out busting teenager's chops for buying and smoking oregano, they could have done some REAL police work here 

 

Hey, can we get the police smiley in riot gear now?  I think this situation calls for it, hey? 

[SirPeale]

...we need to merge threads......

Done.

[DYNAGOD]

Thanks for the merge!

most people would agree that it's not a great idea to be having a whole buncha armed folks together drinking...

i totally agree..i dont want a bunch of people getting liquored up and packing concealed.
however on other side of the coin lies the fact that a person hell bent on ending life, isnt going to follow that law and those people that are,are likely going to meet the same fate as this horrific example demonstrated..

sadly theres no middle ground..well actualy there is...an armed police detachment should be mandatory at ANY concert gathering over 100 people.
i cant believe this club didnt have an officer detail there for this show..

[mr.Curmudgeon]

... most people would agree that it's not a great idea to be having a whole buncha armed folks together drinking...

Drew just calls that a family reunion.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Drew,

for some reason you can't seem to get it into your head that the gun was just what he chose to use - and the PERSON killed PEOPLE.

Because guns effectively kill people. That's why it was chosen. I just can't get my head around how you think a room full of people with guns will somehow lead to less death by guns.

If I had magic powers, I'd grant you your wish for one day just to see how many people would blow each other away. Then I'd reverse it and tease you for being wrong.

[DrewKaree]

:searches for stats on strangulation due to frustration:

[danny_galaga]

And good for the police officer who arrived and took this guy out. -S

you americans are so congenial  . if theres an agressive person around, you don't crash-tackle him. you don't shoot him. you buy him a nice dinner and flowers  . after all, he just needed someone who cares...

what.. the ... world.. needs ..now.. is .. love.. sweet ...love.....

 

[tep0583]

Drew,

for some reason you can't seem to get it into your head that the gun was just what he chose to use - and the PERSON killed PEOPLE.

Because guns effectively kill people. That's why it was chosen. I just can't get my head around how you think a room full of people with guns will somehow lead to less death by guns.

If I had magic powers, I'd grant you your wish for one day just to see how many people would blow each other away. Then I'd reverse it and tease you for being wrong.

It's a useless arguement anyway.

Even with CCW, it isn't legal to carry in a bar/nightclub.  Nobody but the police was armed legally that night.

I'm all for an armed populace, but even I see why allowing guns in bars is a bad idea. One might be abke to make the case that metal detectors would have preventerd this frmo happening, but that's hindsight. You can bet they'll be present from now on. That's not a bad thing.

[tep0583]

And good for the police officer who arrived and took this guy out. -S

you americans are so congenial  . if theres an agressive person around, you don't crash-tackle him. you don't shoot him. you buy him a nice dinner and flowers  . after all, he just needed someone who cares...

what.. the ... world.. needs ..now.. is .. love.. sweet ...love.....

 

Usually because the wrong Americans are around.

I can understand not charging a guy with a gun, if he's looking your way and his attention's on you . If he isn't, it only makes sense to jump him before he decides you look like a good target.

Take the people who were shot on a NY subway some year back. I understand not charging him while he's shooting randomly, but he RELOADED for Christ's sake! As soon as he drops the hammer on an empty chaimber, I'm on my way. All I have to do is prevent him from reloading untill more people jump him.....

[TOK]

Drew,

for some reason you can't seem to get it into your head that the gun was just what he chose to use - and the PERSON killed PEOPLE.

Because guns effectively kill people. That's why it was chosen. I just can't get my head around how you think a room full of people with guns will somehow lead to less death by guns.

If I had magic powers, I'd grant you your wish for one day just to see how many people would blow each other away. Then I'd reverse it and tease you for being wrong.

87 dead, Happy Land Social Club, The Bronx, New York. Arson.
32 dead, Upstairs Bar, New Orleans. Arson.
25 dead, Puerto Rican Social Club, New York City. Arson.
24 dead, Gulliver's Discotheque, Port Chester, N.Y. Arson fire in nearby bowling alley spread to disco.

Ban matches!

[geomartin]

Interesting to note:

Our liberally controlled blue states with strict gun restrictions and lenient sentencing policies seem to have the highest crime rates and highest rate of repeat offenders.  The religiously zealotous red states have a lower crime rate.  Hmmmm???  I live in a blue state so out of caution I keep a Ruger 44mag in the nightstand next to the bed

[locash]

Interesting to note:

Our liberally controlled blue states with strict gun restrictions and lenient sentencing policies seem to have the highest crime rates and highest rate of repeat offenders.  The religiously zealotous red states have a lower crime rate.  Hmmmm???  I live in a blue state so out of caution I keep a Ruger 44mag in the nightstand next to the bed

Sources to support this?

My sources seem to indicate that the crime rates are significantly lower in MA, VT, NY and CA (typical liberally controlled blue states)  than they are in TX, FL, SC, GA and TN (sample red states).  And this pattern goes beyond the samples I cite.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004912.html

Please keep in mind that I am for gun ownership, I just don't see that it warrants making up statistics.

[danny_galaga]

And good for the police officer who arrived and took this guy out. -S

you americans are so congenial

[DrewKaree]

Lookit danny!  First he posts that he misses TA Pilot, and now he's trying to draw him out of retirement by keeping an "obvious" gun thread alive!

What's next danny, posting a "Please come back to the forum" thread for Floyd10 to read?      

[JCKnife]

I just don't think it would have ended better had half a dozen civilians who had been drinking in that crowd pulled out guns and started shooting.

-S

Oh, I agree entirely--alcohol and guns DO NOT mix! However, I hate being disarmed when I go into a restaurant that serves alcohol and I drink Diet Coke.

[Stingray]

I hate being disarmed when I go into a restaurant that serves alcohol and I drink Diet Coke.

I can honestly say that's never come up.

-S

[JCKnife]

I can honestly say that's never come up.

-S

it's Ohio law. Anyplace with a liquor license is off-limits for concealed carry.

[tep0583]

And good for the police officer who arrived and took this guy out. -S

you americans are so congenial  . if theres an agressive person around, you don't crash-tackle him. you don't shoot him. you buy him a nice dinner and flowers  . after all, he just needed someone who cares...

what.. the ... world.. needs ..now.. is .. love.. sweet ...love.....

 

Usually because the wrong Americans are around.

I can understand not charging a guy with a gun, if he's looking your way and his attention's on you . If he isn't, it only makes sense to jump him before he decides you look like a good target.

Take the people who were shot on a NY subway some year back. I understand not charging him while he's shooting randomly, but he RELOADED for Christ's sake! As soon as he drops the hammer on an empty chaimber, I'm on my way. All I have to do is prevent him from reloading untill more people jump him.....

um, i was just playing with words. in australia, taking out usually involves dinner and flowers. i thought it was sweet of the police officer to 'take him out' 

Ah, yeah, guess I should have read that closer...

[Stingray]

I can honestly say that's never come up.

-S

it's Ohio law. Anyplace with a liquor license is off-limits for concealed carry.

I was refering to the part about drinking Diet Coke in a place that serves alcohol.

-S

[Dartful Dodger]

I just don't think it would have ended better had half a dozen civilians who had been drinking in that crowd pulled out guns and started shooting.

-S

Oh, I agree entirely--alcohol and guns DO NOT mix! However, I hate being disarmed when I go into a restaurant that serves alcohol and I drink Diet Coke.

In Ohio you can not go on a stage and start killing people, the man that did was breaking the law.