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Author Topic: BYOAC 2004 Custom Token Design Thread.  (Read 105311 times)

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #440 on: May 17, 2004, 09:44:29 pm »
Here's a comparison of the front with a quarter.The URL text is aout half the size of the words "QUARTER DOLLAR":
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #441 on: May 17, 2004, 09:47:21 pm »
Chris,  any chance of getting the joystick 1/2 the height as the cabinet?  What I mean is so the joystick isn't raised as much as the cabinet off of the coin face.  I think this would give the illusion that the joystick is in the center of the cabinet.

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #442 on: May 17, 2004, 09:49:45 pm »
That does seem a bit small.   Its size is imbetween LIBERTY and IN GOD WE TRUST

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #443 on: May 17, 2004, 09:51:38 pm »
Chris,  any chance of getting the joystick 1/2 the height as the cabinet?  What I mean is so the joystick isn't raised as much as the cabinet off of the coin face.  I think this would give the illusion that the joystick is in the center of the cabinet.
I tried that at one point, but it looked odd. The intent was for the cabinet to be a silhouette with no detail; having a single detail in a third dimension stands out in a way that's not positive.

I think there's a lot of room for levels on the face of the coin, but the back probably works best as a silhouette.
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #444 on: May 17, 2004, 09:56:12 pm »
Whoops!  Ignore that... I just realized I accidentally used the Atomic design...  let me do that again with the right design...
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #445 on: May 17, 2004, 10:09:35 pm »
The font sizes are the same on the pac design.

With the Atomic logo, there's a double ring at the base of the text; one of the rings could be moved and the text (at least the URL) made larger.  On the Pac design, it'll take smaller Pac-Men.
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #446 on: May 17, 2004, 10:36:58 pm »
That does seem a bit small.   Its size is imbetween LIBERTY and IN GOD WE TRUST
I just checked it against a Family Fun Center token.  It has a ring of text slightly smaller than ours, which is small but readable when held about a foot away.  Its fonts are thinner, though, so ours should show up better.

If we could do anything to make them bigger, though, it would be good.

Here's the Pac front merged with the Family Fun Center token. (The FFC token is smaller than quarter size.)
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #447 on: May 17, 2004, 10:38:37 pm »
Pixelhugger, what if we lost the outer ring and let the rim be the outer ring?  That would let us make at least the URL larger.  Or would that compromise the design too much?
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #448 on: May 17, 2004, 10:42:24 pm »
Actually, thinking about my last post regarding the initials on the back.  There may be a similar issue or two on the front with the fine channels around BYOAC and the button.  I suppose let the engravers make the call.

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #449 on: May 17, 2004, 10:52:04 pm »
Chris - Thanks for all your leg work on the font issues. And the superimpositions. That's a huge help. I'll revise to make the type larger. I also need to work on the dot spacing. If I'm not mistaken the engraver has seen some of these designs already and didn't think we'd have a problem with the type. Santoro, am I right? Regardless, I think after seeing Chris' comparisons the type should be bigger.

I'll get that line art blingified for you Chris. I think I saw it a bit earlier in the thread.

Pretty cool that this has been the most active thread in the history of BYOAC. In just a few days! Bodes well for next years contest/interest in tokens.

Before too much revising goes on, should we make a decision on the legal issues of the PacMan design? Saint? ....
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #450 on: May 17, 2004, 10:52:48 pm »
RE: fonts:  Right. {edit:he said "we can make this token"}

RE: Pac:  I would love more info on the types of actions Namco has taken.  I would be a little surprised if the "pie" we have on this token is copyrighted.

Anyone (SirPoonga?) have more info?
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #451 on: May 17, 2004, 10:54:18 pm »
Actually, thinking about my last post regarding the initials on the back.  There may be a similar issue or two on the front with the fine channels around BYOAC and the button.  I suppose let the engravers make the call.
Well, it also depends on the skill of the mint.  The minting on the Family Fun Center token is crisp and sharp with fine detail.  My Malibu Grand Prix token is less sharp, but has fine line depressions similar to the BYOAC logo; it comes from the Roger Williams Mint, same as Chuck E. Cheese.  The least sharp one that I have is a generic token which is not sharp at all and would not hold up to our detail level.  Its mint mark identifies it as the Hoffman Mint.

Looking at their examples, they look similar to the Roger Williams detail level, maybe slightly worse.  I'll re-measure some of the lines...
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #452 on: May 17, 2004, 11:03:51 pm »
RE: fonts:  Right. {edit:he said "we can make this token"}

RE: Pac:  I would love more info on the types of actions Namco has taken.  I would be a little surprised if the "pie" we have on this token is copyrighted.

Anyone (SirPoonga?) have more info?


Well it's probably not an issue with it being copyrighted. It's more likely a trademark issue. Since its a character, it's use is probably governed as a TM. It is definitely recognizable as Pac Man. ANAL, so anyone else have a better idea?
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #453 on: May 17, 2004, 11:03:55 pm »
RE: fonts:  Right. {edit:he said "we can make this token"}

RE: Pac:  I would love more info on the types of actions Namco has taken.  I would be a little surprised if the "pie" we have on this token is copyrighted.

Anyone (SirPoonga?) have more info?

I thought they were mostly worried about people selling replica art for cabinets, since they licensed that out.  But the basic Pac is a simple geometric design, probably impossible to trademark.  That'd be like trademarking Tetris blocks or the X's and O's in Atari Football.  If the ghosts or Ms. Pac-Man were on there, I'd be more worried.
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #454 on: May 17, 2004, 11:07:16 pm »
It is definitely recognizable as Pac Man. ANAL, so anyone else have a better idea?
If we're really worried, use the Atomic logo.  Note that Surgeville has Pac and ghosts on his and hasn't been sued...

We'd be just as likely to be sued for the side art and marquees on our cabinets that have characters (probably MORE likely) than for these tokens.  And those are a LOT easier to find with a simple Web search than any of these threads.

However, if we go for a MAME token next year which has appeal outside this site, I'd avoid characters.
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #455 on: May 17, 2004, 11:22:05 pm »
look here:

http://www.namcoarcade.com/index.asp?site=pacman

Our guy looks nothing like the ones on that page.  I think we are safe.  I think that Saint needs to be OK with it too, because his site appears on the tokens.

Saint?

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #456 on: May 17, 2004, 11:36:33 pm »
look here:

http://www.namcoarcade.com/index.asp?site=pacman

Our guy looks nothing like the ones on that page.  I think we are safe.  I think that Saint needs to be OK with it too, because his site appears on the tokens.

This can't be a good omen.... we're using the same font Namco uses for their logo! (if you don't see the resemblance, it's because they're using lower case.)
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #457 on: May 17, 2004, 11:43:05 pm »
WOW. Now that's bizarre. I had used this typeface for my Mame logos waaaaay back before I ever thought of using it on a Pac design. My introduction to it was completely unrelated. Hmmmm. Of course there's no legal issue. But like you said. Omen. I think the whole thing is up to Saint. No company is ever going to sue an individual for art use on a private cab. The only thing that worries me is that BYOAC is a large site. Dedicated to something Namco surely doesn't appreciate. There's a book out now. Like I said. It's up to Saint I think. CURSE ME FOR NOT THINKING OF THIS. *smacks face on keyboard*
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #458 on: May 17, 2004, 11:47:28 pm »
WOW. Now that's bizarre. I had used this typeface for my Mame logos waaaaay back before I ever thought of using it on a Pac design. My introduction to it was completely unrelated. Hmmmm. Of course there's no legal issue. But like you said. Omen. I think the whole thing is up to Saint. No company is ever going to sue an individual for art use on a private cab. The only thing that worries me is that BYOAC is a large site. Dedicated to something Namco surely doesn't appreciate. There's a book out now. Like I said. It's up to Saint I think. CURSE ME FOR NOT THINKING OF THIS. *smacks face on keyboard*
Well, although I think the Pac logo is great, there's always the atomic, which is problem-free...

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #459 on: May 17, 2004, 11:49:05 pm »
looking to order... and I'm remembering from before that nickle was slightly more... is this still the case?  I'd like the nickle, and want to make sure I pay my fair share...

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #460 on: May 17, 2004, 11:49:42 pm »
No my friend, check yours  ;)
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #461 on: May 18, 2004, 12:04:22 am »
No my friend, check yours  ;)
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #462 on: May 18, 2004, 12:05:04 am »
If the price went back down to $30 or something and the Atomic logo used, I might jump back on the wagon here. I mean, the design isn't bad, I'd just choose not to have a single game/character being a central part of the token. Something "universal" I guess is a good way to explain it. Not boring and generic though.

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #463 on: May 18, 2004, 12:09:55 am »
I don't think the price was ever $30 for a two-sided token...

That said, I'm getting more and more worried about the Pac-Man.  It would be nice to be able to strike more sets and make them available for "official" sale if the demand is there; having Pac-Man on it forces us to keep this as a "private" buy.

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #464 on: May 18, 2004, 12:18:35 am »
Just a quick question. With the dental edge does the outer ring look crowded now? I am just suggesting that Chris or Pixel have a look at it from an artistic point of view.

Great job though...Cheers.

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #465 on: May 18, 2004, 12:24:51 am »
I don't think so... I've been looking at a LOT of tokens lately, and there's a lot less going on in our tokens than in most.

By the way, I don't know if Santoro's asked, but there's probably a possibility that the mint will add their mintmark to the token, or they may ask us to do so.  Not that that's a bad thing, especially if this becomes a series and we don't always use the same mint.

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #466 on: May 18, 2004, 12:29:53 am »
Just a quick question. With the dental edge does the outer ring look crowded now? I am just suggesting that Chris or Pixel have a look at it from an artistic point of view.

I just tried it without the outer ring, leaving the rim and the dentils as the outer ring... and you may be right about that.  I'm playing with it.
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #467 on: May 18, 2004, 12:58:26 am »
Just a quick question. With the dental edge does the outer ring look crowded now? I am just suggesting that Chris or Pixel have a look at it from an artistic point of view.
You were absolutely right.  I've attached a new mockup, this time smaller; it's hard to see these some of these design flaws on a large canvas.
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #468 on: May 18, 2004, 01:19:45 am »
That does look very nice.   :)

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #469 on: May 18, 2004, 01:24:55 am »
That does look very nice.   :)
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #470 on: May 18, 2004, 10:24:52 am »
I thought it looked cleaner without the dentils.

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #471 on: May 18, 2004, 01:27:08 pm »
So whats the current  front / back?

I'm still hoping to have
"1 coin to rule them all"
or
"1 coin to run them all"

So, but I'm seeing one side really coming up... but was the other side decided on pages ago?

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #472 on: May 18, 2004, 02:03:10 pm »
So whats the current  front / back?

I'm still hoping to have
"1 coin to rule them all"
or
"1 coin to run them all"

So, but I'm seeing one side really coming up... but was the other side decided on pages ago?
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #473 on: May 18, 2004, 02:38:19 pm »
Just smack me if I'm overstepping here.  But if you do decide to pass on the Pac-man token because of TM issues and go with the atomic token, how about still keeping the Player 1 button for the O on the atomic token.  I really love that little detail from the Pac token.  *ducks*   ;)
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #474 on: May 18, 2004, 02:41:32 pm »
Not overstepping at all... the only issue I can see is that it may obscure too much of the atom...

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #475 on: May 18, 2004, 03:04:29 pm »
Yeah, that could be a problem.  Oh, well, either way I love them, and I've already ordered my set!   ;D

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #476 on: May 18, 2004, 03:22:52 pm »
From being in a electronic recording industry and pressing vinyl records with samples obviouslly ripped from movies/tv, I can tell you that the tokens are really too low of a run for anyone to care about a pac man design on one side. 5000 tokens isn't going to make enough waves. The biggest problem that you will have is the pressing plant makeing you a die or pressing a coin with a die that may have copyrighted material on it. If it gets by them, you shouldn't really have to worry about it. The pressing plant could also be held accountable for pressing something with a copyrighted material.

If you really want to play the safe route, go with the atomic design but I can't really see there being any problems.

Pretty much any time you see someone comeing after someone else for useing IP without permission is when the item in question becomes popular and is turning enough profit for the person with the copyright to care. The rest of the time you see it is when they want to protect the IP from being used in ways that can reflect negativly on the company.  (Disney in porn or something to that effect)


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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #477 on: May 18, 2004, 03:52:49 pm »
Well, since it's Saint's URL that's on the token, I suppose it's his call...
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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #478 on: May 18, 2004, 03:58:25 pm »
If you look closely at Pac-Man you'll see that he's actually an octagon with a slice cut out and not a circle.  ;)

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Re:BYOAC Custom Token Design Thread.
« Reply #479 on: May 18, 2004, 04:03:32 pm »
If you look closely at Pac-Man you'll see that he's actually an octagon with a slice cut out and not a circle.  ;)
Ooh!  Good call!

And if you get the nickel-plated tokens, he's not even yellow!   ;D
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