Author Topic: BYOAC 2004 Custom Token Design Thread. (Read 104913 times)

Santoro · « **Reply #400 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:53:44 pm »

OK, I have decided to close voting in the three polls at 4PM EST today, May 17.

If the slogan is a tie we might need to do a run-off vote, we'll see. If it comes to that it will be really short (4-5 hours), as I want to order these friggin' things already.

Once we finalize the polls, I will post the winners here and re-open the pre-order thread. If those pre-orders are coming in at a steady pace I probably will just place the order.

As soon as Pixel and Chris can do thier magic and provide the line-art, we can submit the order. I would like to send the vector art also in case they can use it. I still haven't heard back as to whether they can use it.

Santoro · « **Reply #401 on:** May 17, 2004, 01:02:58 pm »

We never settled the issue of stippling on the Happy Guy side.

I will put up a poll but it will close today at 4 also. If there is a tie, Pixel, Chris, and I will decide with a 3-man vote.

Santoro · « **Reply #402 on:** May 17, 2004, 02:53:12 pm »

Talking to myself here.

The Mint will take Adobe Illustrator Files. Whatever we finalize, let's try to submit in that format.

Chris · « **Reply #403 on:** May 17, 2004, 02:57:58 pm »

Quote from: Santoro on May 17, 2004, 02:53:12 pm

Talking to myself here.

The Mint will take Adobe Illustrator Files. Whatever we finalize, let's try to submit in that format.

Excellent!

nighthawk2099 · « **Reply #404 on:** May 17, 2004, 03:55:38 pm »

OK... I'm dumb, what was the final price on these ?

Santoro · « **Reply #405 on:** May 17, 2004, 04:31:25 pm »

Polls are closed. So, how to go forward. Here are our winners:

- PAC-Logo
- NO CASH VALUE
~~- THE GAME IS NEVER OVER~~ ~~Still open. $:-\$~~
- THE GAME IS NEVER OVER
- Stippling X2

I am going to get on the phone with the actual engraver tomorrow and figure out how he wants us to represent stippling in that file. After that we can send it in.

I will re-start pre-orders in the Buy/Sell/Trade forum momentarily. I am just doing a quick triple check on the $35 pricing.

maraxle · « **Reply #406 on:** May 17, 2004, 04:33:57 pm »

Quote from: Santoro on May 17, 2004, 04:31:25 pm

Polls are closed. So, how to go forward. Here are our winners:

- PAC-Logo
- NO CASH VALUE
- THE GAME NEVER ENDS (I always hum an Alan Parsons song when I read this)
- Stippling X2

I am going to get on the phone with the actual engraver tomorrow and figure out how he wants us to represent stippling in that file. After that we can send it in.

I will re-start pre-orders in the Buy/Sell/Trade forum momentarily. I am just doing a quick triple check on the $35 pricing.

Where did "THE GAME NEVER ENDS" come from? I don't even see it on the poll. I just see a tie between one of the game is not over types and the LotR one. Am I missing something?

EDIT: Nevermind, I see you fixed it.

Santoro · « **Reply #407 on:** May 17, 2004, 04:37:41 pm »

Somehow I have the Alan Parsons Song "Turn of a Friendly Card" stuck in my head...

"The game never ends - whne your whole world depends -on the turn of a friendly card...."

I have made the same mistake through this whole exercise.

KevSteele · « **Reply #408 on:** May 17, 2004, 06:24:18 pm »

Quote from: Santoro on May 17, 2004, 04:31:25 pm

Polls are closed. So, how to go forward. Here are our winners:

- PAC-Logo
- NO CASH VALUE
~~- THE GAME IS NEVER OVER~~ Still open. $:-\$
- Stippling X2

How about "The Polling is Never Over" $:-\$

Seriously, when is the new cutoff for the slogan voting?

Kevin

Chris · « **Reply #409 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:02:06 pm »

Quote from: Santoro on May 17, 2004, 04:31:25 pm

I am going to get on the phone with the actual engraver tomorrow and figure out how he wants us to represent stippling in that file. After that we can send it in.

We need clarification on the height levels as well, and how they're represented. I'm suprised they haven't sent you a specification...

- Are more than one height level available? I see us needing at most four if they don't cost extra...

- Is black considered raised and white considered the lowest level?

- Do we need to create the art at actual size or will they scale it appropriately?

- Is there a minimum distance that our art will be from the edge of the planchet?

- Related to this question, does the edge of our desgn correspond to the edge of the planchet or some inner margin? (Actually, I guess that's the same question.)

- Are the token edges smooth or reeded, or do we have a choice?

taxqueno · « **Reply #410 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:27:58 pm »

~~- THE GAME IS NEVER OVER~~ Still open. :

how about:

Insert one to continue......

Santoro · « **Reply #411 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:33:17 pm »

Quote from: Chris on May 17, 2004, 07:02:06 pm

Quote from: Santoro on May 17, 2004, 04:31:25 pm
I am going to get on the phone with the actual engraver tomorrow and figure out how he wants us to represent stippling in that file. After that we can send it in.
We need clarification on the height levels as well, and how they're represented. I'm suprised they haven't sent you a specification...

- Are more than one height level available? I see us needing at most four if they don't cost extra...

- Is black considered raised and white considered the lowest level?

- Do we need to create the art at actual size or will they scale it appropriately?

- Is there a minimum distance that our art will be from the edge of the planchet?

- Related to this question, does the edge of our desgn correspond to the edge of the planchet or some inner margin? (Actually, I guess that's the same question.)

- Are the token edges smooth or reeded, or do we have a choice?

All good questions. If you or Pixel PM me a phone number I will conference you in when the engraver calls. Otherwise I will ask the questions and take notes. I am not an Illustrator user, so that would help.

Santoro · « **Reply #412 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:36:10 pm »

Quote from: kevsteele on May 17, 2004, 06:24:18 pm

Seriously, when is the new cutoff for the slogan voting?
Kevin

It is over. I have decided that The Game is Never Over won fair and square, despite misundersandings about the process.

Next stop, finalizing the art.

Chris · « **Reply #413 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:39:00 pm »

Quote from: Santoro on May 17, 2004, 07:36:10 pm

Quote from: kevsteele on May 17, 2004, 06:24:18 pm
Seriously, when is the new cutoff for the slogan voting?
Kevin

It is over. I have decided that The Game Never Ends won fair and square, despite misundersandings about the process.

What about "THE GAME IS NEVER OVER"?

Santoro · « **Reply #414 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:39:58 pm »

Just shoot me now. Please?

KevSteele · « **Reply #415 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:41:18 pm »

Quote from: Santoro on May 17, 2004, 07:36:10 pm

Next stop, finalizing the art.

Sounds great. I look forward to the new ordering info - I guess my only other question is: are you going with both bronze & plated tokens?

No matter - I'll be putting in an order either way, but if you're offering both I may want a "50/50" order.

Kevin

Oh, and "bang." You're welcome...

Santoro · « **Reply #416 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:43:40 pm »

Quote from: kevsteele on May 17, 2004, 07:41:18 pm

Quote from: Santoro on May 17, 2004, 07:36:10 pm

Next stop, finalizing the art.

Sounds great. I look forward to the new ordering info - I guess my only other question is: are you going with both bronze & plated tokens?

No matter - I'll be putting in an order either way, but if you're offering both I may want a "50/50" order.

Kevin

Oh, and "bang." You're welcome...

Yes, I am going to order both and offer 100/100 orders. We might run out of brass first, but that is a positive problem that can be remedied by another run.

JustMichael · « **Reply #417 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:54:49 pm »

When you have everything finalized. could you please edit the first message and place the final design(s) in it? I think this would make it easier for people to find.

Chris · « **Reply #418 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:55:28 pm »

Okay, I'm starting to finalize art for the back. Pixelhugger's at work for a couple more hours; I'm sure he'll jump in later.

I've gone around with a fine toothed comb and adjusted spacing on stars and lettering, and I slid the initials farther forward on the cabinet. Presuming we can do so, I have the initials at half depth instead of full depth so they're more subtle. I've checked line thicknesses and lettering sizes agains real tokens, so they should be okay. I've spaced out the letters in the date slightly as they ran together in the last image. (Should the date be smaller?)

In this version, I've also added dentils. Dentils are those tiny raised marks just inside the rim that always seem to be on the back of tokens. The questions here are a) do we like the dentils (I don't want to start a big vote, but Rom's design had dentils (albeit triangles instead of regular token dentils) and I really liked it, and I'd like to include an element of his design), and b) if we want dentils, do we draw them or just tell them "we want dentils on the back"? (Most of their stock designs have denttils as well.)

Again, don't want to start a big debate, just want to get a feel for details. Pixelhugger will give us the full bling later.

Chris · « **Reply #419 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:56:53 pm »

(Note: In reality the rim is higher than the dentils; I forgot to render it that way. This is to protect the rest of the token when laying on a flat surface.)

Chris · « **Reply #420 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:58:56 pm »

For clarity's sake, here's that design as line art:

Santoro · « **Reply #421 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:04:55 pm »

Quote from: JustMichael on May 17, 2004, 07:54:49 pm

When you have everything finalized. could you please edit the first message and place the final design(s) in it? I think this would make it easier for people to find.

absolutely, that was my intention.

microwrx · « **Reply #422 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:06:08 pm »

Chris, you may want to rethink where you're initials go. Think about the die and what it does, where they are now they will basically be little CL shaped pins on the die being slammed down into brass at whatever the force is and I reckon they'd break. If they were in relief, say next to the year, they'd be tiny engraved indents in the die and it wouldn't be an issue. Most lettering you see on coinage is in relief, I don't know if this has something to do with the reason why or not.

Of course I don't know that this would definitely happen but I'd rather be safe than sorry. Maybe get Santoro to check with the engravers.

Just a thought!

Chris · « **Reply #423 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:08:32 pm »

Quote from: microwrx on May 17, 2004, 08:06:08 pm

Chris, you may want to rethink where you're initials go. Think about the die and what it does, where they are now they will basically be little CL shaped pins on the die being slammed down into brass at whatever the force is and I reckon they'd break. If they were in relief, say next to the year, they'd be tiny engraved indents in the die and it wouldn't be an issue. Most lettering you see on coinage is in relief, I don't know if this has something to do with the reason why or not.

You're probably right. I'll look at that. Thanks!

Chris · « **Reply #424 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:15:42 pm »

Okay, I've levelled off the bottom of the cab to match Happy Guy's (missing) feet and put the initials below that:

Calawala · « **Reply #425 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:16:55 pm »

I like the dentils very much Chris.

Would you try placing the date unter the United Way (/coughYMCA/cough) guy's left armpit and make it a bit larger so its easier to read. Just wanna see if it looks good there.

You should find a way to enlarge your enitials. As they are, you will need a electron microscope to see them on a token.

Chris · « **Reply #426 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:25:23 pm »

Quote from: Calawala on May 17, 2004, 08:16:55 pm

I like the dentils very much Chris.

Would you try placing the date unter the United Way (/coughYMCA/cough) guy's left armpit and make it a bit larger so its easier to read. Just wanna see if it looks good there.

You should find a way to enlarge your enitials. As they are, you will need a electron microscope to see them on a token.

I think you're right. I just overlaid a token sample from the mint, and the date is avbout the same size as their mintmark. It'll probably need to be bigger. My initials are half the size of their mintmark. Eek.

Since we're going to do this on an annual basis, should we include their mintmark?

Santoro · « **Reply #427 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:27:40 pm »

Quote from: Calawala on May 17, 2004, 08:16:55 pm

I like the dentils very much Chris.

Would you try placing the date unter the United Way (/coughYMCA/cough) guy's left armpit

So long as it doesn't look like armpit hair!

KevSteele · « **Reply #428 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:28:30 pm »

Chris,

Looks good. I think I liked the "long" version of the arcade cab better (it allowed you to believe that you're only seeing the top half of happy guy

), but I can't think of a better place to put your initials (and you certainly deserve that! Good job.)

Is the stippling something they add? I'm assuming so, but for clarity's sake you might want to put it on the final "showcase" graphic.

Dentils are fine - I like it either way.

Kevin

Calawala · « **Reply #429 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:35:06 pm »

Quote

So long as it doesn't look like armpit hair!

eeew. We should include some wavey lines radiating from Mr. YMCA guy's right armpit to illustrated the strong oder from not taking a shower in days. That and he picks his nose.

Chris · « **Reply #430 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:35:56 pm »

For reference, I've overlaid one of their tokens (in red) with our design. You can see that the text size is a good match, and you can see the date in front of their TD mintmark. I wish I had one of their tokens in my hand...

Chris · « **Reply #431 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:37:53 pm »

Quote from: kevsteele on May 17, 2004, 08:28:30 pm

Is the stippling something they add? I'm assuming so, but for clarity's sake you might want to put it on the final "showcase" graphic.

I'll leave that to Pixel, as I'm not sufficiently stipplerific.

I hope the stippling doesn't interfere with the date or initials...

Calawala · « **Reply #432 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:41:26 pm »

I think the date should go under the armpit and your initials should become the TD. ya think?

Chris · « **Reply #433 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:47:43 pm »

Okay, I just size-tested against a Chuck E. Cheese token; these are dated. Our date is half the size. Ouch. The initials are also smaller than their mintmark, which I have to hold two inches from my face to read. Double ouch.

Back to the drawing board...

Santoro · « **Reply #434 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:56:01 pm »

Love the dentils.

How on earth did you know that word?

Chris · « **Reply #435 on:** May 17, 2004, 09:00:13 pm »

http://www.coinresource.com/guide/coin_diagram.htm

DrewKaree · « **Reply #436 on:** May 17, 2004, 09:06:48 pm »

Also a woodworking term for trim of the same design, usually placed at the top to add visual interest to the piece. You can find dentil molding at your local big-box home center.

In case anyone wanted to add it to their cab, and all...

Chris · « **Reply #437 on:** May 17, 2004, 09:08:36 pm »

The closer I examine real tokens, the more I'm worried about the size of the text on the front...

I've got the date and initials whjere they need to be, presuming I'm correct about how the design fits on the planchet. I'll start examining the front...

Santoro · « **Reply #438 on:** May 17, 2004, 09:08:43 pm »

Quote from: drewkaree on May 17, 2004, 09:06:48 pm

Also a woodworking term for trim of the same design, usually placed at the top to add visual interest to the piece. You can find dentil molding at your local big-box home center.

In case anyone wanted to add it to their cab, and all...

Come to think of it I guess my fireplace has it. Next trip to Home Depot I will see what they call it.

maraxle · « **Reply #439 on:** May 17, 2004, 09:11:13 pm »

Have fun with your token, Chris and company! It was an interesting couple of days.


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Author Topic: BYOAC 2004 Custom Token Design Thread. (Read 104913 times)

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