Ever seen a movie so incredibly bad you HAD to complain?

[Howard_Casto]

So yeah, cutting to the chase, Man of Steel might be the worst film I've ever seen, it's easily the worst super hero film and an abomination of a Superman film. 

When it was in theatres I avoided it because I could tell it would be bad from the previews.  Well it just debuted on HBO and I thought "nothing else on tv, this will kill a few hours". 

Dear god!  How do you get everything, and I do mean everything wrong about superman in a single film?  How can a a plot so paper thin and so full of holes be taken seriously by anyone?  How much worthless CG do you have to throw at the screen to distract the mouth breathers from realizing as such?

Maybe I should just make a list:

Why is the codex a chunk of a skull?  Are all Kryptonians descended from the same guy?

If that is so how do they have family names?  Btw they even got that wrong.  He's Kalel son of Jorel of the house/family of El.  I mean I'm not son of Casto.  Even his father corrects this mistake.  This seems like a case of a writer trying to be artsy and clever while ending up looking foolish.

So the entire database used to create all children on the planet only has one copy?  I guess advanced races have never heard of backups. 

Ok so Clark learns his heritage, meets Lois Lane (who immediately discovers his secret), gets his suit and teaches himself to fly all over the course of one day, maybe a couple of days.  Then comes Zod.  Talk about a busy week!

Ok so basically the whole town of Smallville knows Clark's secret and he's an urban legend like Bigfoot in his adult years, but a alien spaceship full of Kryptonion warriors actively looking for another ship was never noticed?  Why were they hiding again?  I mean the humans are no match for them.

The aliens with their advanced do-hickeys can't find the ship over the course of 33 year, but a team of earth scientists with regular old sonar can?  Not only that but even when the humans find it, they STILL can't find it until Clark turns it on and fires a distress signal.  So surveillance devices must not exist on Krypton huh?  Oh but they do, we've actually seen them at the beginning of the film, so yeah... bad writing again.

When Zod is talking to Superman in his mind, and he mentions that "we have to build from something"   wouldn't the logical response have been... "Ok how about Mars?"  Similar orbit, uninhabited, same raw materials, humans can't easily get to mars so they wouldn't bump into each other, problem solved.  They all lived happily ever after.... if someone with average intelligence had written the script that is. 

Why are all the inhabitants of the scout ships dead?  They arrived on earth 20,000 years ago.  They would have had a lush earth to harvest food and resources from and only a few proto-humans to contend with.  I mean they could have EASILY filled this plot hole by just making the ships wrecks from a crash landing, but nope, they are fully in tact. 

Ok the whole Kryptionian atmosphere vs Earth atmosphere is all out of whack.  His father (correctly) explains that Earth is pretty much just like Krypton, only with a younger (yellow) sun, less pollutants, lighter gravity and a richer oxygen supply.  Yet his mom says he struggled to breathe as a son and Zod's crew say it's painful to breathe ect?  Wouldn't an oxygen rich environment make it EASEIR to breathe and even assuming it didn't, considering Clark landed when he was an INFANT that should have killed him right?  Oh and even though Zod mentions it would take years to adapt, he manages to do it in a few seconds. 

Why would a helmet block X-ray vision, super-hearing and heat vision? 

If it does block super powers then how come Zod's soldiers were all super powered anyway?

Anyone else notice that this film is a "Sega Genesis" version of Superman II?  By that I mean in a desperate attempt to be cooler than the simple, yet enjoyable because it isn't trying to be anything it's not Superman II, it actually cuts out all the charm and ends up being lamer for it.  I mean they even had Zod, the sexy Woman general, and the Giant. 

Boy of all the places to put the Ship/Gravity well contraption, one end just happened to be in metropolis eh?  Pretty sure they could have put that anywhere, in which case wouldn't it make the most sense to put the axis to fall on two extremely remote locations so the humans would have a hard time reaching it. 

So Zod has his little speech about Supes "taking away his soul", but if he is indeed genetically bred to protect the people of Krypton then wouldn't Clark be the last son of Krypton and therefore he would be honor bound to protect him?  I'm just sayin.

Wasn't the whole scene with Perry White and the trapped intern completely pointless?  I thought it was going to go somewhere but it never did.

Super Superman's ONLY course of action is to snap Zod's neck?  Really?  You mean he couldn't just turn his neck around slightly without killing him, or kick him in the nards or anything?  Really he had to kill him...because...plot... ok.  What about those people btw.  I wouldn't want them to try and run or anything, just silently cower in the corner.

Why is the military looking for Superman when they know he's Clark Kent and lives in Kansas?  He even says so.  The ship is gone, that's what Zod was piloting.  There isn't a "fortress of solitude" to find in this film.

Dear god the last scene, they even get the last frikkin scene wrong!  Clark is running around in a red cape.  Why?  Superman was literally the first "super hero" in the comics and defined the genre and actually created the pop-culture concept of the Super Hero.  Since Superman is a real guy, there wasn't a Superman comic, the genre was never invented, and he wouldn't be running around playing super hero!  Take away the super hero comics and the only people in our history running around in capes were rather brutal dictators and emperors, like the Ceasars. 

I mean I could go on and on.  It's that bad.  I've literally gotten tired of listing the bad parts, there is much more.  Don't watch it, don't let your children watch it, don't waste your time on it.  The only thing it's been good for is practicing my typing skills to write this rant and to get my blood pressure up.  I've hated films before but they've never been so bad that they've given me an emotional response, much less generated legitimate rage.  I think I need to lie down.

[SavannahLion]

I haven't seen the film. Not sure if I ever will. It doesn't have to do with not liking the guy or anything but I do recall article a long time ago that they (as in whoever was involved in the film) had a hell of a time getting the whole thing right for the previous release. When you have dickless wonders trying to re-imagine the Man Of Steel as something other and not caring about minor details such as who the ---fudgesicle--- his father is, you know that those ---uvulas--- are going to keep trying until they ---fudgesicle--- the whole business up. Yeah, thanks for saving me time though. 

Oh... no, I've never seen a truly bad film in a theater. The closest was when I saw ID4 and a bunch of ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?--- got up and left the theater in protest when the White House exploded. Otherwise I wait until it hits DVD and Redbox, that way it only costs me a couple of bucks or wait until it hits cable in which case I likely won't watch it. Remember, I blew five minutes fast forwarding through the, "The Naked Witch". The opening credits alone is 9:45 before you even get to the ---smurfing--- title. I vowed never to let that happen to me again.

[spoot]

Yeah, it was freakn bad.  It was city destruction porn is all. 

[Howard_Casto]

Well I was trying to have an open mind.  People on this forum (stupidly) say that I'm close minded.  I'm not.  I'm just a grown assed man well aware of my tastes at this point. 

I thought with all this Ben Affleck Batman/Wonder Woman stuff that maybe I was judging the film too harshly by the previews.  I mean DC seems to want to base their "Justice League" franchise around the sequel afterall.  But nope.... 

DC should take notes from Marvel, I wasn't a super fan of the Avengers, but it was watchable and the films leading up to it were surprisingly good. 

[danny_galaga]

How does it compare to the Love Guru?

my score for recent movies you may have seen:

  5/5 - Michael Clayton, In Bruges, Gran Torino, Mary and Max

4.5/5 - Taken, Iron Man, Reign Over Me, Watchmen, The girl with the dragon tattoo

  4/5 - Traitor, Bedtime Stories, Sunshine, pineapple express

3.5/5 - 300, Max Payne, You dont mess with the Zohan, Yes Man

  3/5 - That new Indiana Jones flick, Disturbia, That new TMNT flick,

2.5/5 - Angels and Demons

  2/5 - The Love Guru. Note: My 2 is probably someone elses 1. Just leaving room for worse!

[SavannahLion]

Well I was trying to have an open mind.  People on this forum (stupidly) say that I'm close minded.  I'm not.  I'm just a grown assed man well aware of my tastes at this point.

Oh good, I always thought of you as an ass. Thanks for validating that particular opinion 

[pbj]

I made it about 10 minutes.  They need to retire super hero movies for a few years.

[404]

Ever seen a movie so incredibly bad you HAD to complain?

The batman movie with George Clooney.

[Louis Tully]

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[ark_ader]

Ever seen a movie so incredibly bad you HAD to complain?

The batman movie with George Clooney.

Or Star Wars Episode One.

[pbj]

We all came out of Episode 1 saying, "that was decent" but it quickly became cool to hate on it.  I've never been able to sit through 2 or 3, though what I've seen of 3 is better than Jedi.

[404]

Ever seen a movie so incredibly bad you HAD to complain?

The batman movie with George Clooney.

Now i can't stop staring. You and I are now officially on bad terms. 

[SavannahLion]

We all came out of Episode 1 saying, "that was decent" but it quickly became cool to hate on it.  I've never been able to sit through 2 or 3, though what I've seen of 3 is better than Jedi.

I, as many people did, walked away pissed. Hell, even my GF at the time, who didn't know the difference between C-3PO and an AT-AT, still walked away disappointed. The entire concept of midi-chlorians as being a vehicle for The Force was an outrageously foolhardy move on Lucas' part.

Jar Jar Binks was nothing more than a marketing element to entice very young kids to buy SW merchandise. At least Binks role was drastically reduced in 2 and 3. My Ex loves cutesy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, we went all out to import Pokemon back then and Binks just irritated the hell out of her.

But no, the biggest reason I walked away pissed was the gross mishandling of Darth Maul. Lucas practically had the potential for a bad ass character and an epic battle scene to set a high water mark for every battle scene. A character that would give Darth Vader a running for total bad assery. I spent the entire film just itching to see Darth Maul do something dreadfully evil. What happens? He's a ---smurfing--- ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?--- that can't even catch up to a little kid. Sure he's got the moves, but you don't get to see them until the movie is almost over and he ---smurfing--- dies anyways. First time you see Vader in Ep4, he kills someone in the opening then proceeds to survive for two additional sequels.

[Howard_Casto]

Well I was trying to have an open mind.  People on this forum (stupidly) say that I'm close minded.  I'm not.  I'm just a grown assed man well aware of my tastes at this point.

Oh good, I always thought of you as an ass. Thanks for validating that particular opinion 

Right back at you there chief.

[Malenko]

I watched the whole man of steel movie, and for the same reasons. 

Almost all your points make sense. I may have a few answers/opinions:

Ok so basically the whole town of Smallville knows Clark's secret and he's an urban legend like Bigfoot in his adult years, but a alien spaceship full of Kryptonion warriors actively looking for another ship was never noticed?  Why were they hiding again?  I mean the humans are no match for them.

The didnt give a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about Earth , me thinks, until they figured out that the codex was there and that they could use Earth to "rebuild" Krypton. That being said, once they found out about the codex they still could have all split up and started genociding all over the planet not much super boy scout could do to stop that many Kryptonians spread out around the world, and even if he somehow did, the casualties would be in the billions.

The aliens with their advanced do-hickeys can't find the ship over the course of 33 year, but a team of earth scientists with regular old sonar can?

Im sure searching the infinite cosmos for a specific object takes longer than sonaring the ice of Antarctica for anything.

The rest I pretty much agree on. That being said, it was better than the Brandon Routh Superman movie, but that's putting the bar pretty low. I dont ever plan on watching this movie again.

I summarized it pretty well on my facebook post:
"Just watched Man of Steel. The parts on Krypton and when Clark was young..... those were the best parts. All the other stuff looked like a bunch of insurance companies going out of business."

[Howard_Casto]

Well unless I missed something (dear god I'm not going back to check) they appeared around earth's orbit and found bits of a scout ship on Earth's moon.  Now they knew that Kalel had the codex, because Jorel said as much.

So you've got to think they would have at least started their search where they first arrived.  At which point, you know, massive alien space ship floating around earth... unless they were hiding, but again, why hide?  Did they think infant Kalel would pose a threat?

And I guess they could have been hiding elsewhere in the galaxy, but again, unless I misunderstood something I think they were hiding out on the Moon. 

[kahlid74]

There's a concept, that some writers use as a crutch, where a powerful enough society thinks themselves invincible and doesn't take the necessary steps to fully back up their most prized possessions (hello corporate america??).  This could apply to the codex but what I take from it more than anything is what is similar to the clans in Battletech.  Since clan warrior are test tube babies their entire family and genetic material is stored in specific places.  More often than not in the history of Battletech in the clans, enemies have wiped out entire genetic makeups simply by hitting singular database centers.  The clans were so full of themselves they never bothered to replicate some of their greatest warriors Genetics to other database centers.  It's something that happens in the real world with businesses so I can draw the plausible line to it.

I don't think you're close minded but you and I do disagree from time to time.  For me the movie was meh for the majority of it.  I've been a fan of comics for a long time so when Hollywood does a comic movie I always stand at a good arms distance.  While every movie has numerous writers holes for me, the kicker was when he killed Zod.  I lost it.  I threw my hands up and swore a couple of times and just left the room.  We watched it with my wife's family and no one understand why I was so upset.  I tried to explain the mythos behind Superman and why that would never happen but no one seemed to really grasp what I was saying.  Eventually I just let go and said "F You Zach Snyder".

[Howard_Casto]

Well to me "meh" would be they just didn't go a good job.  This was Michael Bay levels of ---smurfing--- up the Superman mythos.  Zod was definitely the deal breaker, but for me the throw your arms up in the air moment was much sooner. 

You know the bit where they are talking about what happened on the school bus, Clark looks up to his dad and says "What was I supposed to do, let them die?"  and he says "Maybe."  WTF?  That's Pa Kent speaking, one half of the singular moral compass that makes Superman what he is.  It would be like Uncle Ben saying "With great power comes.... you know what, screw it, do what you want"  The correct, in character, response should have been "No, I'm proud of you for that, but you need to learn to be more careful." 

Cliché yes, but Superman is a walking cliche'... that's his purpose.  As you are alluding to, he's a boy scout.  He doesn't kill, he always does the right thing, and because he's Superman. He doesn't have no win scenarios, he always saves everyone, because that's what makes him Superman.  If "artists" can't deal with that, then they shouldn't make a Superman film. 

If you want to do a dark, gritty story with moral ambiguity strewn in you've got Batman for that. 

[Malenko]

Well unless I missed something (dear god I'm not going back to check) they appeared around earth's orbit and found bits of a scout ship on Earth's moon.

I dont think they ever specified where that was, and Im not going back to check either, I just remember Zod saying they only found Earth because of the distress call from the Antarctica ship .  I liked certain concepts of the film, but the execution and story were just too disjointed. The problem with Superman is kind of the same problem as the Hulk, tough to have a good antagonist (Darkseid is dumb just like Abomination is dumb). They actually did a great job with the Xray vision thing when he was a kid, showing him having trouble controlling it and stuff and the effect was pretty neat and creepy. I think the movie was pretty watchable right up until Lois Lane was sneaking around a military compound on the Antarctic.

[Felsir]

It was city destruction porn is all.

I couldn't stand the stupidity of that. Two beings who both know they aren't going to hurt eachother in any way by hurtling the opponent into buildings or slabs concrete, kept doing so without end. I mean, it went on and on without any consequence to anyone whatsoever.
The humans were also stupid enough to keep unloading clip after clip while the villain slowly moves towards them brushing off any bullet that had hit him. What other hints did they need that nothing they did was effective? Oh, wait, perhaps the next clip contained a magic bullet...

[Howard_Casto]

Now see, I loved the Incredible Hulk movie.  I think abomination is a good fit, because you need to understand that he's the side villain, the military/government is and always has been Hulk's primary adversary... along with himself that is.  In the comics though, I'm pretty sure Mastermind is his primary foe and abomination is actually one of Mastermind's minions.  Plus there's the Gamma Squad, Red Hulk, anyone good or bad that happens to be in his way at the time.  Tons of possibilities for the green guy but Hollywood is too scared to take the risk.

Of course that idiot Wheadon wiped away an credibility that film added to the "movie universe" by recasting Banner with Banna (I swear I think he did that just because the names sound similar).  Who acts like Jeff Goldbloom on sedatives and looks like a Geico caveman.  Banner is supposed to be the smart one Wheadon, cast a guy that looks intelligent.  Oh and that whole "I'm always angry" line was pure unadulterated b.s. 

I also like Darkseid.  Him by himself isn't that much of a threat  (although he IS more intelligent and stronger than superman, with better super powers) but having an entire planet of followers, most of which are super powered....yeah that's kind of a big deal.  Basically just watch the Justice League cartoon. 

But Superman's biggest foe has always been his own moral code.  One punch in the face and that would be the end of Lex Luthor, but he doesn't kill.  He could literally use his influence to force humans to put Lex in jail for the rest of his life, but again, he's a good guy, so he has to depend on our rather flawed legal system.  This is why Superman's arch enemy is a regular guy who's super powers are being rich enough to buy Kryptonite and smart enough to build killer robots, clones, ect with his vast wealth. 

Of course that's not happening in this franchise.  I would be surprised of Lex even makes an appearance and if he does Supes will just be "forced" to snap his neck and do another poor Darth Vader episode III impersonation. 

I didn't think the x-ray stuff was done poorly, but I saw that whole deal on Smallville years ago.  I just wasn't as impressed with it. 

[Malenko]

Now see, I loved the Incredible Hulk movie.  I think abomination is a good fit, because you need to understand that he's the side villain, the military/government is and always has been Hulk's primary adversary... along with himself that is.  In the comics though, I'm pretty sure Mastermind is his primary foe and abomination is actually one of Mastermind's minions.  Plus there's the Gamma Squad, Red Hulk, anyone good or bad that happens to be in his way at the time.  Tons of possibilities for the green guy but Hollywood is too scared to take the risk.

Of course that idiot Wheadon wiped away an credibility that film added to the "movie universe" by recasting Banner with Banna (I swear I think he did that just because the names sound similar).  Who acts like Jeff Goldbloom on sedatives and looks like a Geico caveman.  Banner is supposed to be the smart one Wheadon, cast a guy that looks intelligent.  Oh and that whole "I'm always angry" line was pure unadulterated b.s. 

I also like Darkseid.  Him by himself isn't that much of a threat  (although he IS more intelligent and stronger than superman, with better super powers) but having an entire planet of followers, most of which are super powered....yeah that's kind of a big deal.  Basically just watch the Justice League cartoon. 

Im familiar with his antagonists , but Abomination , Red Hulk, etc are all just Evil Hulks for lack of better term. Fighting a clone can only be done so many times. Thought Ang Lee did the Banna Banner, and Leterrier did the Edward Norton one, not sure what Wheadon had to do with casting in either "film". The always angry line was uttered by Ruffalo, the 3rd person to be the Hulk in the last 8 years; I didnt hate the line and it sorta made sense saying he could "control" his rage (which is a direct conflict with what he did on the Helicarier a little earlier). The similarity I was drawing is the Hulk and Superman's best enemy are themselves. 90 to 120 minutes of inner turmoil is a tough sell for a super hero movie, but it did work for the Hulk TV show in the 70s.

Im not a comic book expert but I used to read the comics and graphic novels when I was younger. I've also seen all the live action and cartoon movies in recent times (Flashpoint Paradox was really.... good Green Latern.....ugh), so I have a pretty good idea of whats what

I think the best superman movie would (and Im totally contradicting my clone statement above) would be Bizzaro. Have him somehow under Luther's influence messing stuff up, people confuse him with the real supes and that gets superman chastised by the people but int he end Im afraid the final fight would turn in to building destruction porn again. 

[pbj]

Superman is literally the world's most boring super hero. 

[spoot]

*Felsnir
Yeah, the no effect let's keep trying annoys me too.

*Howard
Anywho, I was annoyed at killing Zod as well.  However, Superman does kill....it's just very rare....and I think most of them have been retconed.

[Howard_Casto]

I'm sorry man, I meant Ruffalo... they all start to blend together at this point.

One of Wheadon's conditions for doing the film was recasting Banner with Ruffalo specifically.  Yeah he wanted him THAT bad.  Why I don't have a clue.

Yeah they are all evil hulks... generally working for Leader (again I posted Mastermind, sorry... generic names are generic), who's uber-smart... the exact opposite of Hulk. 

And yeah, I got what the line was supposed to mean, but in addition to the conflict that you mentioned.... umm that's not how Hulk's powers work.  An emotional response causes the change.... period.  If he's indeed angry then he would change, he merely needs to feel angry, he doesn't need to pitch a visible fit.  The only way to prevent a change, at least with most iterations of Hulk, is to calm down and get his body chemistry back under control. Likewise, you can't burst into a fit of rage instantly and force the change on command.  It's all adrenaline and endorphins and what-not. 

Yeah I think Bizzaro would be good, but Hollywood would NEVER do it right.  Bizzaro isn't the "evil" superman.  He's another good superman, that just happens to come from a reality where all morality and logic is completely reversed.  It's a subtle difference between being evil and it's why in most confrontations Superman can actually reason with the guy, but Hollywood isn't about subtlety anymore, especially with super hero films.

[Malenko]

Superman is literally the world's most boring super hero.

Aqualad, Cypher, Bouncing Boy, Doorman , Whizzer, Matter Eater Lad, El Guapo, Black Condor, Color Kid, Hindsight Lad, Madam Fatal, Dazzler, Jubilee......... the list is almost as long as all of Superman's powers.

[Ginsu Victim]

I've never cared to watch Man of Steel and probably never will. I'd rather just watch...

[wp34]

I taped Man of Steel over the weekend and will watch it again.  I remember being a little disappointed with it in the theater but I didn't have the visceral reaction that others here seem to have had.  My expectations going in were low because Superman is hard to pull off.  Outside of the comics he has been best portrayed in the Justice League animated series. 

Go back and re-watch the Christopher Reeve movies as an adult.  They do not hold up well---particularly Superman II. 

[Xiaou2]

Superman is literally the world's most boring super hero.

 Agree.

 Its a poor, extremely limited, very non-believable, & somewhat childish concept..  to have a superhero that is basically invincible.

 IMO, you cant really have a "good", let alone "great" superman movie... period.



 As for visceral, I wanted to storm out of Episode 1... but despite my despise.. I couldn't justify the price paid & time already spent.
It got worse and worse as the movie rolled on... and in the end, I pretty much felt like Id been tricked into picking up a bar or soap in a prison shower.

 I think those movies should be a criminal offense, and deserve actual retribution in refunds, and punishment to those responsible.


 Also, its pretty much written on the wall that the latest movies out these days are FILLED with psychological propaganda, with an agenda.

[ChadTower]

Its a poor, extremely limited, very non-believable, & somewhat childish concept..  to have a superhero that is basically invincible.

Compare him to the other fictional heroes of the era in which he was created.  Not to every superhero that was created after he was.  Superman's peers are the Shadow, Flash Gordon, Dick Tracy, Buck Rogers.  In that context Superman is amazing.

Yeah, the concept doesn't compare to the things that came later, but those things only came later because of Superman.  There is a reason we're still talking about superman eighty years later.

[KIguy]

Considering many comics use alternate time lines to tell different stories, it's not exactly blasphemy to have Superman kill Zod. I'd much rather see him be human and make the hard choice. That's why we call him Superman. He has the best of both worlds, strength from Krypton and morality from Earth. But mortality is not genetic, nor is it absolute. His father taught him his morals, and I know it's not canon, but it's a hell of a lot more believable that he'd choose to sacrifice Zod to save billions only to realize that he made a grave mistake and could never do it again, no matter the cost.

Go back and re-watch the Christopher Reeve movies as an adult.  They do not hold up well---particularly Superman II all of them.

This, and fixed You guys do remember that he "rewound" the Earth and altered events in part 1, right? Why not just continually wait for something bad to happen and then reverse time and "catch" the bad guys before they do whatever they did? Why not reverse time and disarm the bomb so Zod can't be released from the Phantom Zone? Talk about a plot hole, he could right any wrong without recourse. What's the point after that? No diss on the Reeves, but the writer(s) who thought up that gem should have been drop-kicked square in their stupid groin(s).

[Ginsu Victim]

Yeah, "rewinding" was pretty ---smurfing--- dumb.

[pbj]

They used the same gimmick in Harry Potter 3 and I don't recall anyone bitching much about it then.

[Ginsu Victim]

They used the same gimmick in Harry Potter 3 and I don't recall anyone bitching much about it then.

I've never watched any of them.

[Vigo]

Go back and re-watch the Christopher Reeve movies as an adult.  They do not hold up well---particularly Superman II all of them.

This, and fixed You guys do remember that he "rewound" the Earth and altered events in part 1, right? Why not just continually wait for something bad to happen and then reverse time and "catch" the bad guys before they do whatever they did? Why not reverse time and disarm the bomb so Zod can't be released from the Phantom Zone? Talk about a plot hole, he could right any wrong without recourse. What's the point after that? No diss on the Reeves, but the writer(s) who thought up that gem should have been drop-kicked square in their stupid groin(s).

If I remember right, he does try to rewind time again in the original vision of Superman II. They fired Richard Donner midway through filming the second movie and slapped a movie together to cash in because superman 1 was such a mega hit. Donner had a vision of Superman being a two part series that was very intertwined (pretty visionary for the time), but the studio didn't want the cash cow to end. There is a re-edit of Superman 2 that tries to scrape together the film closer to Donner's version, but the only real thing it accomplished was bringing Marlon Brando back into the 2nd film.

And yeah, the ending of the 70's Superman was weak, but there really has never been a better attempt at Superman in the movies. Superman 1 and 2 are still the best in the franchise, even if they are both flawed. The casting was perfect - Superman, Lex, Lois, Zod, Jor-El, Perry White. Each character was caught at their essence. It was fun to watch and didn't have the brooding seriousness that everyone seems to think every Superhero flick needs to have these days.

[eds1275]

In the comics though, I'm pretty sure Mastermind is his primary foe and abomination is actually one of Mastermind's minions. 

In the Hulk with Edward Norton, after that scientist gets knocked over some goop falls on his head and it almost looks as if it ripples like a drop in water. I think they were sort of opening this up right there, and my memory is a bit foggy but didn't they use his tech to create abomination? I will watch it again this weekend.

[pbj]

They used the same gimmick in Harry Potter 3 and I don't recall anyone bitching much about it then.

I've never watched any of them.

They are also books.

Prideful ignorance is not one of Oklahoma's redeeming cultural features.   

[Ginsu Victim]

They are also books.

I don't read books based on movies either.

Who's the dumb guy now?

 

[Malenko]

They are also books.

I don't read books based on movies either.

Who's the dumb guy now?

 

I actually laughed out loud at this at my desk. 

[KIguy]

If I remember right, he does try to rewind time again in the original vision of Superman II. They fired Richard Donner midway through filming the second movie and slapped a movie together to cash in because superman 1 was such a mega hit. Donner had a vision of Superman being a two part series that was very intertwined (pretty visionary for the time), but the studio didn't want the cash cow to end. There is a re-edit of Superman 2 that tries to scrape together the film closer to Donner's version, but the only real thing it accomplished was bringing Marlon Brando back into the 2nd film.

Hah, I have that version! Never watched it though, will have to give it a watch. Thanks!

There's a huge difference between the time reversal in Superman and HP. I can't get into it without getting super, super nerdy - but trust me lol

Oh and Norton's Hulk, the military injected the spec ops dude with some serum that I believe was based on Banner's research. But it was only meant as an enhancement to agility, strength and self repair/healing. Pre-heat the gamma oven to 350F and bake for 30-60 on-screen seconds. Voila! Abomination cake (just add frosting).