vga to component 480i help

[dcninja]

I need help.

I need to go from vga to a tv with component input CRT SD TV

i bought this, it's a white one. it does not work. it was used. not sure if broken or not.
http://www.amazon.com/Grandtec-PC-Video-Component-GXP-2000/dp/B000099O58

that said...

anyone know of a converter that actually works to go from vga output to component input for an SD CRT TV (american so I assume 480i)


It would be of much help! I'm about to give up and just get a crt and scanline generator.

[vandale]

Does the TV have a scart connector?

[dcninja]

regular redwhiteyellow av jacks, component input, and svideo - it's a us tv i think scart is euro.

[Dawgz Rule]

You need a decent transcoder to get the picture you are looking for.  You may find these two links helpful:

http://www.crescendo-systems.com/transcoder.html

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,121491.msg1288832.html#msg1288832

The other thing looks and sounds like a piece of junk based on the reviews alone.

[dcninja]

Thanks for the info. I'm also thinking an agp or regular PCI video card with TV out could work but I run win 7 so compatibility could be an issue. I'd have no prob converting to xp tho.

[yotsuya]

I have a VGA to CGA/S-Video/Composite adapter that might work for you. I used the VGA/CGA functionality and wasn't too impressed, but the VGA passthrough looked great. PM me if interested.

[05SRT4]

I have a Sony Trini and I struggled getting the 480i to look good through component. I used convertors from amazon and a few other things, I got it to display but it never really worked out. So i just got a video card that outputs S video and connect it from there. The windows desktop is not that crisp, the test is kind of fuzzy but as soon as hyperspin loads up it all works out and looks really good.

[dcninja]

i just got a cheap geforce 5200 fx with svideo out since my tv has that. has vista drivers on the website so maybe that'll work in 7, if not i'll downgrade to xp.

i had a radeon 7500 that came in this crappy dell but wouldn't recognize on xp or 7... hoping the agp slot isn't bad and it was just the card.

[chepin]

I'm using an Extron VSC 150 and my mame setup looks great on my Sony 27" Wega. That might work for you. I found out about the Extron on this page:
http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/
I bought it on ebay for $40. If you want to buy one, make sure it has component outputs. The VSC 100 doesn't but most of the other models do.

[dcninja]

ok so the video card slot is busted in the old dell pc for some reason but the onboard vga works fine. yes i looked in bios, yes i tried multiple cards, etc etc...

i could buy a smaller lcd that is incorrect aspect ratio and a scanline generator--- no.

or i could use the 27" 4:3 tv.

SO... i need something that outputs VGA to SVIDEO or vga to component

it MUST work. as the previous stupid $10 used box i got on amazon didn't.

that said...

vga to 480i over component or svideo... proven solutions? let me know PLEASE! I'm at my last nerve with this. lol

[vandale]

I use these to convert VGA to 15k, works perfect, have bought and used approx. a dozen in the last year. Shipping is fast, I order and it arrives within 1 week on tracked post. You can fedex it and arrive in 2 days but I am happy to wait.

It out puts composite or Svideo, along with a VGA bypass, 15k for the arcade monitor or SCART hack into a normal TV.

http://www.arcadespareparts.com/arcade_parts/video_converter/vga_rgb_cga_video_converter/12215.html

Enjoy

[chepin]

Did you try looking for an Extron VSC unit on ebay? Some models will do both Svideo and component. You just need to also get BNC to RCA adapters and it will work great with your TV.

[dcninja]

so vandale that link you showed me, i plug my vga cable from my pc into one end and svideo into the other end to my tv for svideo output from a vga cable? correct?
edit: it also says not in stock - but then shows delivery in one to two days...

what does that mean for me?

[yotsuya]

That's the same one I offered you in the 6th post in this thread.

[dcninja]

ih awesome, i totally missed that. pm sent

[yotsuya]

Awwww, someone else bought it. But I think you're on the right track with that device.

[deadmoney5]

I use these to convert VGA to 15k, works perfect, have bought and used approx. a dozen in the last year. Shipping is fast, I order and it arrives within 1 week on tracked post. You can fedex it and arrive in 2 days but I am happy to wait.

It out puts composite or Svideo, along with a VGA bypass, 15k for the arcade monitor or SCART hack into a normal TV.

http://www.arcadespareparts.com/arcade_parts/video_converter/vga_rgb_cga_video_converter/12215.html

Enjoy

Sorry to hijack this thread, but this would work with an old CRT tv that just has an S-video input?  Computer --> VGA input --> S-video out to tv?

awesome!

[yotsuya]

I use these to convert VGA to 15k, works perfect, have bought and used approx. a dozen in the last year. Shipping is fast, I order and it arrives within 1 week on tracked post. You can fedex it and arrive in 2 days but I am happy to wait.

It out puts composite or Svideo, along with a VGA bypass, 15k for the arcade monitor or SCART hack into a normal TV.

http://www.arcadespareparts.com/arcade_parts/video_converter/vga_rgb_cga_video_converter/12215.html

Enjoy

Sorry to hijack this thread, but this would work with an old CRT tv that just has an S-video input?  Computer --> VGA input --> S-video out to tv?

awesome!

It's *supposed* to. I didn't try that functionality on mine, but it was definately there.

[vandale]

I use these to convert VGA to 15k, works perfect, have bought and used approx. a dozen in the last year. Shipping is fast, I order and it arrives within 1 week on tracked post. You can fedex it and arrive in 2 days but I am happy to wait.

It out puts composite or Svideo, along with a VGA bypass, 15k for the arcade monitor or SCART hack into a normal TV.

http://www.arcadespareparts.com/arcade_parts/video_converter/vga_rgb_cga_video_converter/12215.html

Enjoy

Sorry to hijack this thread, but this would work with an old CRT tv that just has an S-video input?  Computer --> VGA input --> S-video out to tv?

awesome!

It's *supposed* to. I didn't try that functionality on mine, but it was definately there.

Yep its there and it works.

Yes they say no stock but they send direct from manufacturer so they arrive quick anyway, don't pay attention to there stock levels.

Thanks
Gene

[dcninja]

i ordered on ebay from the one that says from us shipper - cali... dunno if that means anything for me getting it faster, but i'm in no rush. I'll have to report back on it. thanks for the info.

[yotsuya]

That might be the one I got mine from. It shouldn't take too long. 

[dcninja]

so i got that converter. It came with a wire i don't recognize which i assume is for arcade monitors. and a 5v with one black wire going off of it with a stripped end. do i need to use these when hooking up a pc to tv? there were no instructions in the package. thanks!

[offset]

Do you have the GBS-8100?   Manual is here - http://www.digitalsystemsdesign.co.uk/product_uploads/13153855771.pdf

I have one of these, used it once, VGA in from PC, then have to connect the RGB GND Sync connector to the arcade monitor (not sure what kind of Arcade CRT you have). 

Each crt monitor is different in terms of sync, I believe the GBS 8100 outputs a composite sync.   Some older CRT monitors just have Negative or Positive Sync, etc.    Check your monitor manual (or find it) to see if it says which sync line to connect it to for composite.

http://www.therealbobroberts.net/sync.html


Also keep in mind that the RGB connector that came with the GBS-8100 may not fit the header pins on your crt monitor.

Oh, and don't shock yourself, discharge the monitor if you need to.

[dcninja]

I do have that but I'm trying to go vga output to svideo input on an american crt tv.

[dcninja]

not sure about powering this thing? I know how to hook up the vga cable and the svideo cable but does it require power? if so, how? since i'm uisng a pc and tv.

[offset]

Manual shows 5v, I would check out the manual link in previous messages and look for 5v connectors.  Mine came with a small 2 pin/wire (black and red) connector.

[dcninja]

I have that but I'm not sure where to run the wiring?

[dcninja]

mine also has switches on it that aren't shown in the pics in the manual...

[dcninja]

so i found a 5v usb power adapter and just plugged it in that way. LED 1 turned on green, so I assume it's getting power.
I have Three switches that can be moved in the UP or DOWN position. They have no indicators on them as to what they do when moved into the up or down positions.

SW - i have no idea
n/p - i assume NTSC or PAL - but I'm not sure which is position is what? i assume up is N and bottom is P since that's the way it's listed?
size - I have no idea what this means either.

anyone have this one and could help me? I'm so close to finally getting it to display on my tv, yet so far. I've tried svideo out and a/v out and flipped a bunch of switches and couldn't get anything to display. If I at least knew the proper switch positions, I could troubleshoot better.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/250927350005?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

in the ebay pics the top two is what I have, the third pic is what it's showing in the manual, but this is not it. I think I have a newer model or something. Please help, this is driving me craaaaaazy!
thanks!


edit: i got it working but it only works on A/V - I think there's some sort of switch on the unit to switch it to svideo perhaps, but I can't find it. Anyone know?

[vandale]

so i found a 5v usb power adapter and just plugged it in that way. LED 1 turned on green, so I assume it's getting power.
I have Three switches that can be moved in the UP or DOWN position. They have no indicators on them as to what they do when moved into the up or down positions.

SW - i have no idea
n/p - i assume NTSC or PAL - but I'm not sure which is position is what? i assume up is N and bottom is P since that's the way it's listed?
size - I have no idea what this means either.

anyone have this one and could help me? I'm so close to finally getting it to display on my tv, yet so far. I've tried svideo out and a/v out and flipped a bunch of switches and couldn't get anything to display. If I at least knew the proper switch positions, I could troubleshoot better.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/250927350005?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

in the ebay pics the top two is what I have, the third pic is what it's showing in the manual, but this is not it. I think I have a newer model or something. Please help, this is driving me craaaaaazy!
thanks!


edit: i got it working but it only works on A/V - I think there's some sort of switch on the unit to switch it to svideo perhaps, but I can't find it. Anyone know?

Did you ever figure this out?

[rCadeGaming]

OP, why are you trying to use 480i?  Why is everyone in this thread talking about 480i?  90% of the games in MAME originally ran in ~240p.  They will look MUCH MUCH better if kept in 240p.  When you scale to 480i they become blurry and scanlines are lost.  These cheapo converter boxes add lag too.

All "standard definition" CRT TV's are capable of 240p.  You just need one with component inputs and a proper VGA to component transcoder.  You guys should have paid more attention to Dawgz Rule.  He was referring to one of the links in my signature.  Also, see here for what proper 240p from MAME on a TV looks like:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,120798.0.html

[dcninja]

well currently i have onboard intel video and the lowest it allows me to set is 640x480
i also have a converter that only works composite (sucks) or s-video (better)

[rCadeGaming]

You'd need to get a video card that's compatible with CRT_Emudriver to output lower than 480p.  You can get one on eBay for as cheap as $20.  Is your AGP slot definitely broken though?

Once you're getting native resolutions from the PC, you need a proper VGA to component transcoder.  That means something that translates color space only, without screwing with the resolution.  The cheapest thing would be this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SCART-RGB-to-YPbPr-Component-Video-Converter-Scaler-/370695549217?pt=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item564f2d3121

You'd have to make a VGA to SCART adapter for it.  There is a totally plug-and-play solutions that is more expensive.  More info here:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,121491.msg1392896.html#msg1392896

[dcninja]

that is way too much money and work for something that may not even work on my tv.

[rCadeGaming]

It would work, I've helped a lot of people set it up.  See the second link in my signature.  The only people who have had problems were using different transcoders than the ones I recommend.

It is more work, and you're looking at at probably $80 for a DIY connection, more for pure plug and play, so I understand if it's not for you.  Just wanted to let you know what's available.

[Timstuff]

Hi guys! It's been a few years since my last post, however I was thinking about making some upgrades to Outer Heaven this spring/summer and this thread is quite relevant to one of the issues I face. I want to rebuild the cab's PC to run modern fighting games, and I have a leftover Radeon HD 7770 Core edition that I replaced with a GeForce GTX 680 in my desktop. I don't remember exactly what model card is currently in the cab, but it's an old fossil that has native YpbPr component support, and the HD 7770 doesn't. My cab has a CRT TV with component inputs and games look great, so obviously I will need some kind of converter (which would have the added benefit of futureproofing the cab for any PC upgrades I may need in the future).

I found this little guy on eBay for about $50, and on paper it meets my needs (it supports 480i) however my primary concerns are whether or not a converter will introduce noticeable lag (kind of a big deal), or degrade the image quality compared to the setup setup I currently have.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-V1-3-HDTV-to-Component-YPbPr-Converter-1080p-Adapter-Analogue-Audio-/171287609946?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item27e189825a

Running these games through native component they look and play arcade-perfect, so what makes or breaks the plan for a new PC is whether or not I can get a decent conversion from an HDMI or VGA signal. Not being able to use my prized CRT television in glorious YpbPr 480i would pretty much be a deal breaker on any upgrade, and if I have to choose between more horsepower for newer games and keeping the authentic old-school arcade experience, I will stick with the latter (but I'd rather get the best of both if I can).

[rCadeGaming]

Tim, have you had MAME running in native res before?  480i isn't native res for 90% of MAME, it's 224p-256p which looks very different.

An HD7770 isn't compatible with CRT_Emudriver unfortunately.

An HDMI to VGA converter won't work because I don't think you'll find a way to output native res from an HDMI output.

See here for confirmed viable transcoders:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,121491.msg1392896.html#msg1392896

[Timstuff]

Tim, have you had MAME running in native res before?  480i isn't native res for 90% of MAME, it's 224p-256p which looks very different.

An HD7770 isn't compatible with CRT_Emudriver unfortunately.

An HDMI to VGA converter won't work because I don't think you'll find a way to output native res from an HDMI output.

See here for confirmed viable transcoders:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,121491.msg1392896.html#msg1392896

The default setting on Mame on my system is 480i. I haven't tried running games in 240p, although with my current setup, vertical monitor games are quite playable despite not using the whole screen. I am not worried about 240p-- my biggest concern is making sure that the games will output to 480i properly. If the games are upscaling to 480i I can live quite comfortably with that as long as everything works properly.

[rCadeGaming]

For vertical games on a horizontal monitor, you'd have to use 480i anyway.  I just wouldn't recommend spending the money on HDMI to component either way.  A VGA to component transcoder is guaranteed not to add lag, will not cost more if you use a CVS-287, and will work fine with your 480i setup.  It also leaves the option open to go to ~240p if you ever want to improve your video in the future.

[Timstuff]

For vertical games on a horizontal monitor, you'd have to use 480i anyway.  I just wouldn't recommend spending the money on HDMI to component either way.  A VGA to component transcoder is guaranteed not to add lag, will not cost more if you use a CVS-287, and will work fine with your 480i setup.  It also leaves the option open to go to ~240p if you ever want to improve your video in the future.

Yeah, SCART to component definitely sounds like the way to go. HDMI to Component was my initial guess as for how to make a modern video card work in my machine, however at that point I didn't realize just how easy it was to go VGA > SCART > Component. If something is cheaper and works better, that's clearly the way to go.