SOLVED (more or less) - No embedded subtitles.....

[Gray_Area]

I'm not getting embedded subtitles in movies, for example The Lord of the Rings when Arwen, etc is speaker Elvish. Whether subtitles are on or off in my WMP. Pervasive subtitles will show if I deselect 'hide subtitles' in VOBSUB decoder.

[Le Chuck]

I have a lot of subtitle issues with WMP.  Everything I DL has to be subbed in english as we are a hearing impaired househould.  I use .srt exclusively.  With .sub you get a lot of color and size options in the code but lose functionality across certain platforms whilst everything reads .srt format subs.  Try videolan and see if you're getting the same behavior and if so trash your sub file and DL a different format from subscene.

[Howard_Casto]

I generally love microsoft products, but for mkvs or anything with subs, wmp sucks. 

I watch a TON of Japanese anime, so I've tried about every solution out there over the years.

This will fix your problems immediately.

1.  Download Windows Media Player Classic Home Cinema Edition (x64 if you are on a 64 bit os) It has nothing to do with windows at this point.

2.  Download the latest CCCP pack of codecs.  You are looking for "10 bit" codecs as newer videos are often 10 bit.

3.  Enjoy!  WMPCHCE will play about anything you throw at it with multiple types of subs. If you do run into issues with a file, you can probably download a codec to fix it, as opposed to WMP which will most likey ignore the codec.

Hope that helps!

[Samstag]

The easiest fix is to download VLC.

[Vigo]

The easiest fix is to download VLC.

 

I think VLC is still a bit of a buggy program, but it is my preferred player. As far as subtitles and audio tracks are concerned, I think it is hands down the best out there. it plays .srt files like a champ as well.

[Gray_Area]

I've known about VLC for ages, but always thought it was not for the average user. I haven't checked it out in a couple years, probly. I've never liked Real Player, or any of the others. WMP 9 through 11 have always had everything I wanted and needed (except when they took out the water visualization in 11....).

@Howard: it's funny you the CCCP codec set, as I happened across it the other night in the vein of this thread. I didn't try it, though. Also, I haven't liked MP classic, but I'll check out, and report back. Thanks.

[Howard_Casto]

I don't particularly like mp classic either.  It's just the best functioning player out there in terms of exotic files.

I only use it because it can handle all of my files without issue and if on the rare occasion there is an issue, everything is exposed right down to the shaders, so I can fix it.
The interface is ugly though and the default navigation is a little odd (Click to pause annoys the hell out of me, expecially considering you double click to toggle fullscreen).   


It is pretty great for cabs/home cinema though... you can launch any file via the command line, customize the navigation controls and have it cleanly exit when the file is done.  Very few media players that are actually any good can do that.

[SavannahLion]

I have a lot of subtitle issues with WMP.  Everything I DL has to be subbed in english as we are a hearing impaired househould.  I use .srt exclusively.  With .sub you get a lot of color and size options in the code but lose functionality across certain platforms whilst everything reads .srt format subs.  Try videolan and see if you're getting the same behavior and if so trash your sub file and DL a different format from subscene.

Ditto here but where do you pull your srt files from? Half the time I have to spend a lot of time shifting the srt file to synch with the audio que's assuming there isn't that damn "doppler" shift where the audio eventually goes out of sych with the caps and all that work was for naught.

[Le Chuck]

I have a lot of subtitle issues with WMP.  Everything I DL has to be subbed in english as we are a hearing impaired househould.  I use .srt exclusively.  With .sub you get a lot of color and size options in the code but lose functionality across certain platforms whilst everything reads .srt format subs.  Try videolan and see if you're getting the same behavior and if so trash your sub file and DL a different format from subscene.

Ditto here but where do you pull your srt files from? Half the time I have to spend a lot of time shifting the srt file to synch with the audio que's assuming there isn't that damn "doppler" shift where the audio eventually goes out of sych with the caps and all that work was for naught.

I'm totally with you, plus anything ripped Maxspeed or a few others always have really annoying recognition failures like lower case L for i or something.  Over the last several years I've gotten really adept at using time adjuster and similar programs to re-synch the subs as needed.  Some movies that my wife really wanted to see but we couldn't get a OC'd version in the theatre I've pulled foreign market subs and translated them by hand back into engrish.  I will usually queue up 10 or so movies and then spend a saturday morning going over sub files to get everything watchable.  It's not ideal but that's the shakes.  I get most everything from subscene.com but will occasionally just google for something obscure.  I'm currently translating the subs for 10th Kingdom from Dutch to English.  That's 10 hours of movie though and I'm only .5 hours in so that one will be while.  The discs you can purchase don't have CC  can't describe my frustration.   

[SavannahLion]

Especially if the DVD is clearly marked on the box for subs or CC.

Have you jumped on the HDTV cable box broadcast bandwagon yet? Did you notice the entire CC carrier signal was dropped on anything other than composite/cable? That makes long term recording and storage of HDTV broadcasts a massive challenge. I had to create the SRT file by hand, took me the better part of my Saturday just for a 1/2 hour broadcast.

 

[Howard_Casto]

Especially if the DVD is clearly marked on the box for subs or CC.

Have you jumped on the HDTV cable box broadcast bandwagon yet? Did you notice the entire CC carrier signal was dropped on anything other than composite/cable? That makes long term recording and storage of HDTV broadcasts a massive challenge. I had to create the SRT file by hand, took me the better part of my Saturday just for a 1/2 hour broadcast.

 

It's sucks, but that is by design.  HTDV out allows for digital encryption by the source.  So cable providers intentionally screw with the signal, completely scrambing some of the premium channels for recording and removing features from others.  Basically they only give you what is federally required of them to give you.  Of course they do this based on pressure by the media giants, who own both the major cable networks and the big movie studios. 

I don't want to get this moved into pnr, but the sad thing is a lot of people gave them this power, by voting for the wrong politicians and voting on the wrong side of various propositions.   

[Le Chuck]

Especially if the DVD is clearly marked on the box for subs or CC.

Have you jumped on the HDTV cable box broadcast bandwagon yet? Did you notice the entire CC carrier signal was dropped on anything other than composite/cable? That makes long term recording and storage of HDTV broadcasts a massive challenge. I had to create the SRT file by hand, took me the better part of my Saturday just for a 1/2 hour broadcast.

 

It's sucks, but that is by design.  HTDV out allows for digital encryption by the source.  So cable providers intentionally screw with the signal, completely scrambing some of the premium channels for recording and removing features from others.  Basically they only give you what is federally required of them to give you.  Of course they do this based on pressure by the media giants, who own both the major cable networks and the big movie studios. 

I don't want to get this moved into pnr, but the sad thing is a lot of people gave them this power, by voting for the wrong politicians and voting on the wrong side of various propositions.   

The cc carrier stream is federally required but there is no enforcement body.  Even when you wave the law at them they just shrug their shoulders and point to the bottom line of how many cents they saved by trimming that signal and then let you know you're the first person to every come to a central station and complain.  I've been through this rigamarole for years. 

As for cable we cut the cord as a family 6 years ago.  Haven't had it at all and don't miss it.  If we want a series I can get it downloaded and have it subbed w/in the space of a few hours (most series now have really great sub support - there are several forums dedicated to it) or we just go buy the thing.  It's not worth the disappointment to pay and not be able to enjoy a lot of content and features.  I have noticed that youtube's CC service has been improving which is great.  I'm really hoping that all streamed video will pick up CC soon, a few news websites already have.   

[SavannahLion]

Le Chuck is correct, CC is federally mandated. Why do you think every television over a specific dimension was required to have CC circuitry installed in the early 90's? It wasn't a cost saving measure. 

My family bought the very first model manufactured with built-in CC circuitry under the new laws. A Zenith 29" if I remember correctly.

Howard, you have no clue what you're talking about.  The HDTV signal does have the CC carrier signal. Scrambling the signal has jack ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- to do with the CC carrier, it gets scrambled/descrambled just the same as the rest of the video signal.  Re-read my post, it's the transmission after the box.

[Howard_Casto]

Well I know what I'm talking about, but your in one of your moods again, so there isn't any point in arguing. 

Just read this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_captioning#Incompatibility_issues_with_HDTV

In this case the "device" is your cable/sat box, and they aren't required to spend the money to fix the issue and thus they don't.  Being federally required to send the signal and actually being able to view it are two different things.  You've got to love those loopholes.

[SavannahLion]

Well I know what I'm talking about, but your in one of your moods again, so there isn't any point in arguing. 

Just read this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_captioning#Incompatibility_issues_with_HDTV

In this case the "device" is your cable/sat box, and they aren't required to spend the money to fix the issue and thus they don't.  Being federally required to send the signal and actually being able to view it are two different things.  You've got to love those loopholes.

There you go again, acting like the usual ass you are. This isn't one of my "moods" as you so put it so delicately, my patience with your crap simply has run out.

[Gray_Area]

My, where did I miss this before.

[Drnick]

@Le chuck, Wish I had seen this earlier, I could have saved you some time on the 10th Kingdom  I have a DVD of it that I got back in 2000 with Closed Captions Came as a 3 disc set (Well 2 discs 1 of which is double sided, made me think Laserdisc) It has a 418Minute runtime so yeah the subs on that would take a while to translate.

OT - Is Brown chicken, brown cow a reference to the song?  I love the video for that one

[Le Chuck]

@Le chuck, Wish I had seen this earlier, I could have saved you some time on the 10th Kingdom  I have a DVD of it that I got back in 2000 with Closed Captions Came as a 3 disc set (Well 2 discs 1 of which is double sided, made me think Laserdisc) It has a 418Minute runtime so yeah the subs on that would take a while to translate.

OT - Is Brown chicken, brown cow a reference to the song?  I love the video for that one

Drnick, can you rip those subs?  I'm nowhere near done yet.  The HI community at large would pretty much love you.

You can give CCExtractor as shot here.  Should be pretty straight forward to get them ripped down to a .srt file.  Let me know if you're willing, if not but willing to send me the discs on loan I'll so it and send them back, paying shipping both ways natch.  Thanks man.

As for Brown Chicken Brown Cow, it's after the joke originally but the song is awesome. 

[Drnick]

Currently running the disks through the software, looks like its working OK, but my hard drive sounds like it has indigestion doing it
What do you have for episodes/chapters,  3 parts?  If so it should work like a charm, if not then I can let you know the natural break points so you can do the rest from there.

Of course on the basis that there are 3 parts it shouldn't be too hard to work out P1 - 00:00 to 170 or so and then disk 2 00:00 to 170 is really 170-340

Oh well just to wind you up here is part 3 first.  I watched it extract the subs for a while and it all seems to be there.

[Le Chuck]

It's in 3 parts, I can adjust stop start points if they don't match and synch timing as well based on framerate variances between versions.  Just so happy not to have to keep typing this bad boy out. 

Try giving your computer malox, that always helps my indigestion.   

They should be small enough to post on here or shoot me a pm if you want to do it over email.  You rock dude.  If this forum had that fu/karma crap I'd load you up man!

[Drnick]

See above.  Meh don't worry about the Karma thing,  I got 3 gold stars over there which would make me a god at the local McDonalds I figured it would be easier to rip the subs out then to post the disks to you from UK (Or it would have had to wait till I am over in 3 weeks, YAY annual Florida vacation coming up).

[Le Chuck]

Have part three now, looks accurate.  Synching it to my version (your framerate is a bit quicker).  Awesome stuff so far, thanks again!

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All synched, works perfect!  Can't wait to check out the other two. 

[Drnick]

@ Le Chuch, OK that turned into a lot more hassle then I expected (So much for CD's DVD's never going bad, It took 6 different DVD drives to rip part 1 to HDD, (It just kept failing on various files even after a major clean of the disk).   But here you go I persevered and finally got the discs ripped. 

Let me know if you get any problems.

Problem sorted try getting P1 again.  (It was the way the disks were labled up, oddly I expected the side labled a to be a and b to be b but it was the other way round. So yeah it was a misname

(I suppose it may be wise of me to rip these to an MKV or something whilst I have them on my HDD, shame they are in 4:3 ratio and not widescreen)

[Le Chuck]

You are awesome man!  Thanks for going through all that hassle.  I will get these uploaded to subscene and be sure to thank you in the comments.  You have provided an awesome resource to the HI community, plus you just got Mrs. Le Chuck off of my back about finishing up the CC on her favorite movie so double kudos to you!

[Drnick]

No problem, if you run into anything else you don't have CC for let me know, I may have it in my collection of movies/miniseries I am amazed that there weren't any available.  I did find some, but on comparing the legit version ripped from disk and the version i found,  boy oh boy, no wonder you were manually translating from Dutch. 

[Le Chuck]

No problem, if you run into anything else you don't have CC for let me know, I may have it in my collection of movies/miniseries I am amazed that there weren't any available.  I did find some, but on comparing the legit version ripped from disk and the version i found,  boy oh boy, no wonder you were manually translating from Dutch.

And roger.   

Seriously tho, me->   <-you

Now I'm off to check on Tinman subs since it seems that the kids just scratched those discs all to hell and it's starting to skip.  Time for a DL'd back-up copy

Incidentally this may be the most productive threadjack evar.  Thanks to the OP as well!

[Gray_Area]

I generally love microsoft products, but for mkvs or anything with subs, wmp sucks. 

I watch a TON of Japanese anime, so I've tried about every solution out there over the years.

This will fix your problems immediately.

1.  Download Windows Media Player Classic Home Cinema Edition (x64 if you are on a 64 bit os) It has nothing to do with windows at this point.

2.  Download the latest CCCP pack of codecs.  You are looking for "10 bit" codecs as newer videos are often 10 bit.

3.  Enjoy!  WMPCHCE will play about anything you throw at it with multiple types of subs. If you do run into issues with a file, you can probably download a codec to fix it, as opposed to WMP which will most likey ignore the codec.

Hope that helps!

Maybe there are no files with the data, but I tried this and still no embedded subs.

What's funny is that CC will display everything but non-english.

[Le Chuck]

Maybe there are no files with the data, but I tried this and still no embedded subs.

What's funny is that CC will display everything but non-english.

Are you talking about a specific file or an entire set?  Usually non English cc is hard coded on films and won't be included in the sub files as it is displayed anyway; however, some files use rips that are not Region 1 and so don't have the foreign parts hard coded but the sub file will still just include the English.  In those cases you usually have to download a separate file that is annotated as non English only or English and non English speaking parts.  Can you give more details about what's wonky? 

[Gray_Area]

I thought that embedded subtitles would be part of the video stream, and wouldn't need some special codec (or at least one other than the codec decoding the signal) for them to appear.

For example, in Hidalgo there are parts where the people are speaking Arabic. Long tracts, so you know it's part of the story and embedded subtitles should be displaying. I think I remember them displaying when I watched it on DVD some years ago. The currect case is files on my computer. VOB files, even, so it should play like a DVD, right?

[Le Chuck]

I thought that embedded subtitles would be part of the video stream, and wouldn't need some special codec (or at least one other than the codec decoding the signal) for them to appear.

For example, in Hidalgo there are parts where the people are speaking Arabic. Long tracts, so you know it's part of the story and embedded subtitles should be displaying. I think I remember them displaying when I watched it on DVD some years ago. The currect case is files on my computer. VOB files, even, so it should play like a DVD, right?

Right but it depends on the source of those VOB files and how the hard coded sub was actually embedded.  If the source wasn't region one there is a fair chance that the non english wasn't hard coded.  As such it would behoove you to search for a sub that is non-english parts annotated on Subscene

[Gray_Area]

I thought that embedded subtitles would be part of the video stream, and wouldn't need some special codec (or at least one other than the codec decoding the signal) for them to appear.

For example, in Hidalgo there are parts where the people are speaking Arabic. Long tracts, so you know it's part of the story and embedded subtitles should be displaying. I think I remember them displaying when I watched it on DVD some years ago. The currect case is files on my computer. VOB files, even, so it should play like a DVD, right?

Right but it depends on the source of those VOB files and how the hard coded sub was actually embedded.  If the source wasn't region one there is a fair chance that the non english wasn't hard coded.  As such it would behoove you to search for a sub that is non-english parts annotated on Subscene

Oh. Lame. Thanks, though.

[Gray_Area]

I had some success. I re-got Hidalgo (I swear it was the same file set.....), and using WMP classic and the CCCP codec set, I got all the embedded subs. I tried the same movie files with WMP and no go, so it must be like Howard was indicating, hence his suggestion. The simplicity of WMP classic home cinema is appealing, also. Thanks.

[Howard_Casto]

Yup... glad it worked for you.  MPC will play anything.  I actually prefer WMP's interface style but the stupid thing doesn't let you tweak codecs anymore... they did away with that around version 10, thus making the program essentially useless for anything but the most basic files. 

I've reluctantly switched completely over to mpc at this point.  It just doesn't make any sense to use wmp for the two or three shows I watch on it that are actually in english.