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Ernest Borgnine RIP
« on: July 08, 2012, 09:24:09 pm »
Another wonderful actor has passed.



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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2012, 10:14:12 pm »
damn  :-[  McHales Navy is one of my all time favorite shows.  sad sad news.

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2012, 11:34:31 pm »
We need a subforum just for RIP threads.

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2012, 11:37:08 pm »
I loved him in 'Marty', 'From Here to Eternity' and especially 'The Wild Bunch'. RIP.
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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2012, 12:40:31 am »
Great actor. I was saddened to hear of his passing.

I will watch The Wild Bunch, Marty, and MST3k's "Merlin's Shop of Mystical Wonders" in his honor.

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2012, 08:23:27 pm »
We need a subforum just for RIP threads.

Did a fine job voicing Mermaid Man in Spongebob (and I mean that).

I probably wouldn't find out, in that case. Ahh, I was just thinking in the past couple/few months about Ernie. I'm becoming very prescient about this kind of thing.
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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2012, 10:48:15 pm »

I probably wouldn't find out, in that case.

I was mostly kidding, although there does seem to be a lot of RIP posts. I am getting a post ready for Keith Richards, he can't be long for this world.

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2012, 12:40:42 am »
I stand by my deleted post.
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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2012, 10:13:50 am »
Do you not care when good actors die?   ???

I also stand by pinballjim's deleted post, which I never saw. I should probably just shake my head and walk away, rather than fanning the spark, but he's just some guy who got very old and then died. It's not like Heath Ledger or what's-her-name from 8 Mile, who died tragically young. And it's not like this Ernest Borgnine, whose name none of us even knew before this thread, was like Paul Newman or Tom Hanks or Humphrey Bogart. His filmography is just a long, long list of almost nothing but mediocrity. And that's fine. I'm not trying to disparage the guy, or disrespect the dead. I'm just saying that, like, are we going to have one of these posts for every single actor who grows old and dies of natural causes? Because . . . that's sort of something that every single one of them do. And posting a thread for all of them, frankly, dilutes the impact of the ones that actually matter.

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2012, 10:55:37 am »
:dunno  Why do I always gotta be the ---uvula---?
Can't answer that one...

But obviously some people like to make these posts, and others like to comment on them and remember the person/actor/celebrity a bit.  What's the big deal?  The Subject line is pretty clear, so non-interested people can skip as needed.  The same way I skip posts about vector quality in certain monitors as being waaay too technical.

EB was a very recognizable actor/voice to multiple generations that passed away.  Whether it was before his time or after his time, he's gone.  If you liked him, that's sad.

And regarding his filmography, I find it neat that the guy who was in McHale's Navy and the Dirty Dozen, which my Dad watched, was also a character I've seen as recently as Red, and was a recurring character on Spongebob which my son is familiar with.  That's neat.  Dude had 203 listings on the IMDB page for both Movies and TV, holy crap!

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2012, 10:56:41 am »
And it's not like this Ernest Borgnine, whose name none of us even knew before this thread, was like Paul Newman or Tom Hanks or Humphrey Bogart. His filmography is just a long, long list of almost nothing but mediocrity.

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2012, 11:07:03 am »
Now now . . . settle down.
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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2012, 11:09:48 am »
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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2012, 05:57:30 pm »
Now now . . . settle down.

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2012, 06:18:40 pm »
And it's not like this Ernest Borgnine, whose name none of us even knew before this thread, was like Paul Newman or Tom Hanks or Humphrey Bogart.

I've been a fan for many years and enjoyed his acting. The guy didn't always get great roles, but he did awesome with them. Even the episode of E.R. he did still makes me tear up.

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2012, 07:41:03 pm »
I just remembered he was also Harry Booth in 'The Black Hole', which I loved as a kid.

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2012, 07:56:57 pm »
I thought he was a great actor.
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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2012, 09:11:44 pm »
My favorite role of his:

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2012, 09:21:47 pm »
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And posting a thread for all of them, frankly, dilutes the impact of the ones that actually matter.

Technically, they all matter to someone.  So that statement is kind of mean, but on the whole, I'm with some of you guys about all the RIP threads lately.

I knew him as the voice of Mermaid Man for the most part as well.  I don't believe I've seen any of his actual movies, but maybe I'm wrong.

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2012, 09:23:11 pm »
I remember him as the taxi driver in Escape From New York. Once again Shmokes, your media choices and preferences are bizarre :)  Like him or don't like him, he was certainly not an unknown.
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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2012, 09:39:23 pm »
I don't at all dislike him. I didn't say unknown; I recognized him instantly. I said none of us knew his name. Which I think is almost certainly true, or at least almost none of us knew his name. He's a fine actor, and he seems like a cool guy. It's just that cool people die by the thousands every day. And it's not like any of us, not a single one of us, ever in our entire lives went out of our way to watch something because we knew that Ernest Borgnine was in it. And if we saw a movie poster that said Ernest Borgnine, none or almost none of us would know who that name referred to. If this thread didn't show up like two days after the Andy Griffith thread I wouldn't have said anything. But since it did, and since he's just an actor (aka, it's not like Clint Eastwood died) . . . it seemed like an odd thread--like we're going to have a BYOAC vigil for every actor that dies.

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2012, 09:49:07 pm »
I don't at all dislike him. I didn't say unknown; I recognized him instantly. I said none of us knew his name. Which I think is almost certainly true, or at least almost none of us knew his name.

OK, I'll rephrase - *I* knew his name :)
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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2012, 09:53:55 pm »
I don't at all dislike him. I didn't say unknown; I recognized him instantly. I said none of us knew his name. Which I think is almost certainly true, or at least almost none of us knew his name. He's a fine actor, and he seems like a cool guy. It's just that cool people die by the thousands every day. And it's not like any of us, not a single one of us, ever in our entire lives went out of our way to watch something because we knew that Ernest Borgnine was in it. And if we saw a movie poster that said Ernest Borgnine, none or almost none of us would know who that name referred to. If this thread didn't show up like two days after the Andy Griffith thread I wouldn't have said anything. But since it did, and since he's just an actor (aka, it's not like Clint Eastwood died) . . . it seemed like an odd thread--like we're going to have a BYOAC vigil for every actor that dies.

Shrug . . . bad taste, perhaps.



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You gotta stop including me in your generalizations. I specifically have watched older movies because Borgnine was in them. He's not an actor of your generation, we get it. You can feel hollow next year when Lindsey Lohan ODs.
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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2012, 10:26:24 pm »
I don't know how old you are, but he was in his nineties when he died. He won his Oscar in like 1954 or 1955 or something. He wasn't an actor of your generation any more than mine. I'm sorry that you feel hollow without Ernest Borgnine. I suspect you of melodrama, and likely total fabrication of seeking out old Borgnine movies because you're such a huge fan. But maybe you're telling the truth. I take back all the bad things I said.
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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2012, 10:41:44 pm »
I don't know how old you are, but he was in his nineties when he died. He won his Oscar in like 1954 or 1955 or something. He wasn't an actor of your generation any more than mine. I'm sorry that you feel hollow without Ernest Borgnine. I suspect you of melodrama, and likely total fabrication of seeking out old Borgnine movies because you're such a huge fan. But maybe you're telling the truth. I take back all the bad things I said.

I just turned 39, but I appreciate old films and cinema. I don't care that you don't care Borgnine passed away, but I took umbrage with the "Who cares, he didn't do ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---" mentality in your comment, which obviously isn't true.
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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2012, 11:31:13 pm »
Take this crap elsewhere.


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« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2012, 11:34:44 pm »
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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2012, 11:38:34 pm »
And it's not like any of us, not a single one of us, ever in our entire lives went out of our way to watch something because we knew that Ernest Borgnine was in it.

I've done this plenty of times. My wife, as well.

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« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2012, 11:49:47 pm »
I don't at all dislike him. I didn't say unknown; I recognized him instantly. I said none of us knew his name. Which I think is almost certainly true, or at least almost none of us knew his name.

OK, I'll rephrase - *I* knew his name :)

I knew his name as well... please shmokes, don't speak for anyone but yourself.

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2012, 11:57:59 pm »
And it's not like any of us, not a single one of us, ever in our entire lives went out of our way to watch something because we knew that Ernest Borgnine was in it.

I've done this plenty of times. My wife, as well.

I watched "The Wild Bunch" a few years ago specifically because I was curious to see him in a more serious movie.  My memories of him (fond ones) was of playing lovable losers in low quality productions.   It was quite interesting to see him in that type of role.

I agree with others that mentioned his Spongebob appearances.  I just love that my kids can laugh at him and Tim Conway without knowing who they were.

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2012, 12:11:29 am »
I just turned 39,

Pretty sure we're from the same generation. Seriously, you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. I said, "His filmography is just a long, long list of almost nothing but mediocrity." It is. There are some good films/TV shows on the list. But by far the majority of the films/TV shows on the list are not good. At all. And that's fine. I would love to have had that career. I think he probably made a ton of money having a helluva lot of fun. But his filmography still is what it is. 7th Heaven. Touched by an Angel. Walker Texas Ranger. BASEketball. About 150 poorly rated made-for-TV movies that nobody has heard of. You all supposedly know this guy by name, but literally almost everything he has ever been in is very bad, most of it completely obscure made-for-TV stuff, and most of it small guest roles. I mean, Ginsu Victim is just flat out lying about him and his wife. That's just silly.   ;D

In other words, I have absolutely nothing against the guy. It just strikes me as strange that he has a thread dedicated to him. And coming right on the heels of the Andy Griffith thread, I wondered whether Saint might want consider an Obituary subforum. But now it's beginning to strike me as even stranger that I'm in here defending this position so ardently. So I guess I'll stop.
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« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2012, 12:21:12 am »
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« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2012, 12:24:33 am »
And it's not like any of us, not a single one of us, ever in our entire lives went out of our way to watch something because we knew that Ernest Borgnine was in it.

I've done this plenty of times. My wife, as well.

I watched "The Wild Bunch" a few years ago specifically because I was curious to see him in a more serious role.

I love his reaction at the end during the Mexican standoff. You know these guys are going to die, they know they are too, and he laughs. Great stuff.
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« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2012, 12:27:03 am »
What's the big deal?  The Subject line is pretty clear, so non-interested people can skip as needed. 

Very good point.

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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2012, 07:47:40 am »
BASEketball.

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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2012, 07:57:20 am »
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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2012, 08:27:21 am »
I'm 41 and it shocks me that you could be from our generation and NOT know Ernest Borgnine by name.  Holy crap, he's been in everything over the years.  Recently, not so much except for Spongebob, but holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- man.

I just turned 39,

Pretty sure we're from the same generation. Seriously, you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. I said, "His filmography is just a long, long list of almost nothing but mediocrity." It is. There are some good films/TV shows on the list. But by far the majority of the films/TV shows on the list are not good. At all. And that's fine. I would love to have had that career. I think he probably made a ton of money having a helluva lot of fun. But his filmography still is what it is. 7th Heaven. Touched by an Angel. Walker Texas Ranger. BASEketball. About 150 poorly rated made-for-TV movies that nobody has heard of. You all supposedly know this guy by name, but literally almost everything he has ever been in is very bad, most of it completely obscure made-for-TV stuff, and most of it small guest roles. I mean, Ginsu Victim is just flat out lying about him and his wife. That's just silly.   ;D

In other words, I have absolutely nothing against the guy. It just strikes me as strange that he has a thread dedicated to him. And coming right on the heels of the Andy Griffith thread, I wondered whether Saint might want consider an Obituary subforum. But now it's beginning to strike me as even stranger that I'm in here defending this position so ardently. So I guess I'll stop.

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« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2012, 08:45:23 am »
I loved Airwolf!. Thank you Ernest for that great childhoodtime. Guess you got twice as old as your younger buddy in Airwolf?

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« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2012, 09:46:28 am »
Learn to resist the urge to read threads you are not interested in. it may be a relevation for you.

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« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2012, 10:04:22 am »
Ironically, had I known Ernest Borgnine by name I wouldn't have ever clicked on this thread. It was my very ignorance that made me click on this thread, saying, "Ernest Borgnine . . . who's that?"  Just think of all the suffering in this world that could have been avoided had I just been a little better informed.   ;D
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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2012, 11:04:57 am »
How is that possible that you are a movie buff and never heard of Ernest Borgnine? 

I think it is appropriate that I quote Ernie for this: "You kids with your loud music, and your Dan Fogelberg, your Zima, hula hoops and pac-man video games!" 
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« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2012, 11:22:59 am »
Because his resume consists almost exclusively of things like bit parts in Touched By an Angel? We can do this all day.  ;D

Also, who is Don Fogelberg?
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« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2012, 11:58:49 am »
Well, then quit looking at the tv guest appearances of a 95 year old actor. You can find twice the number of crappy tv guest spots looking at tim curry's imdb.

 Have you not seen the Dirty Dozen or Flight of the Phoenix. How about McHale's Navy?

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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2012, 12:24:43 pm »
No, Yes, No.

It's not just a 95 year old actor. It's like the last 40 straight years of his career (aka longer than I've been alive). Anyway, I simply don't know the name of every single actor (no matter how small the role) in every single thing I've ever seen. Especially for a movie I saw almost a decade ago that was a piece of garbage . . . wait, lol, I saw the crappy remake of Flight of the Phoenix, not the original. But, christ, even looking at the original, Borgnine didn't even star in that film. He just had a supporting role as "Trucker Cobb". How am I even supposed to take you people seriously with examples like that? I'm supposed to know the name of an actor because he had a supporting role in a 45 year old movie! I think y'all doth protest too much.  :P
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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2012, 12:58:37 pm »
We all knew his name...  Despite your assertion that nobody would.   ;D  Do you know who Mickey Rooney is?  Not Andy Rooney, the other Rooney.

IMO Borgnine was famous BECAUSE he was a supporting guy, B-movie type for most of his career.  Trust me, none of us went out of our way to learn who he was, we just knew... because for our whole frickin' lives the guy's been popping up all over the dang place...   :lol

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« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2012, 01:11:17 pm »
Well, I don't have strong feelings on Ernest dying, I just found your perspective odd. It's the equivalent of not knowing who Kevin Bacon is. If you're not a media consumer, sure - but you are a media consumer, just one with odd foibles.

No, Yes, No.

It's not just a 95 year old actor. It's like the last 40 straight years of his career (aka longer than I've been alive). Anyway, I simply don't know the name of every single actor (no matter how small the role) in every single thing I've ever seen. Especially for a movie I saw almost a decade ago that was a piece of garbage . . . wait, lol, I saw the crappy remake of Flight of the Phoenix, not the original. But, christ, even looking at the original, Borgnine didn't even star in that film. He just had a supporting role as "Trucker Cobb". How am I even supposed to take you people seriously with examples like that? I'm supposed to know the name of an actor because he had a supporting role in a 45 year old movie! I think y'all doth protest too much.  :P
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« Reply #46 on: July 11, 2012, 01:26:22 pm »
Yeah, there are a lot of supporting guys who do excellent work. I would hold Martin Landau in the same regard as Ernest Borgnine, although he is much more a drama actor and not a comedian. He has had a career of similar caliber, done equal amounts voice over and guest appearance in his late career, and I can't think of a single major lead role he has held. (Which reminds me, I was much more upset when Peter Graves died, and he was much less of a household name actor.)

It just is a shame when a well known guy you knew from years of TV and movies dies.

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« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2012, 01:32:50 pm »
Wow Shmokes, a little touchy.  As for me, I knew who Ernest was, But only because of The Dirty Dozen, The poseidon adventure, Escape from New York The Wild Bunch,  Mostly he will always be that guy from Airwolf for me :-)  and I will never forget this verse from "Your Horoscope for today" Weird al yankovic.

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« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2012, 01:58:27 pm »
Wasn't he the lead in Space 1999?

Yeah, there are a lot of supporting guys who do excellent work. I would hold Martin Landau in the same regard as Ernest Borgnine, although he is much more a drama actor and not a comedian. He has had a career of similar caliber, done equal amounts voice over and guest appearance in his late career, and I can't think of a single major lead role he has held. (Which reminds me, I was much more upset when Peter Graves died, and he was much less of a household name actor.)

It just is a shame when a well known guy you knew from years of TV and movies dies.

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« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2012, 01:59:49 pm »
Wasn't he the lead in Space 1999?

Yeah, there are a lot of supporting guys who do excellent work. I would hold Martin Landau in the same regard as Ernest Borgnine, although he is much more a drama actor and not a comedian. He has had a career of similar caliber, done equal amounts voice over and guest appearance in his late career, and I can't think of a single major lead role he has held. (Which reminds me, I was much more upset when Peter Graves died, and he was much less of a household name actor.)

It just is a shame when a well known guy you knew from years of TV and movies dies.

Oh, and go see The Dirty Dozen, its an excellent film and required viewing if you like war movies, especially if you like ones off the rail like Inglorious ---daisies--- or Kelly's Heroes.

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« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2012, 02:05:19 pm »
I don't at all dislike him. I didn't say unknown; I recognized him instantly. I said none of us knew his name. Which I think is almost certainly true, or at least almost none of us knew his name.

OK, I'll rephrase - *I* knew his name :)


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He was far more famous than shmokes wants to admit.

I softly agree that we don't need a thread when a celebrity passes away of old age.  It's a morbid thing to have a mini wake every time someone that we only knew from TV/movies passes away.  I generally ignore them but figured I'd post here to mention that I knew his name too.

Maybe we should sticky an RIP <old entertainer> thread and bump it when someone dies.   :dunno

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« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2012, 03:13:51 pm »
Apparently more famous than I was aware. I'm skeptical, sure, primarily because I do tend to have a fairly encyclopedic knowledge of Hollywood. But plenty slips through the cracks. It really has little to do with not wanting to admit it. I just find the claims incompatible with the evidence and my own experiences.

As for Kevin Bacon, Saint, you can't be serious. He was played the villain in the X-men summer blockbuster just last summer! He's one of the most well-known memes in history: six degrees of Kevin Bacon. I'll freely grant that I may have projected and underestimated the number of people who knew Ernest Borgnine by name (I still have difficulty believing it or understanding why so many people would know his name), but EVERY American adult knows who Kevin Bacon is.
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« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2012, 03:21:54 pm »

You're all about titles, accolades, and "letting the community collectively decide what is good" in Hollywood.  You know, the Rotten Tomatoes thing.

So, let's consider this guy's resume:

  • Academy Award:  Best Actor
  • Golden Globe:  Best Actor
  • Emmys in three different decades
  • SAG:  Lifetime Achievement Award

He was in the main cast of two successful network television shows and a whole lot of very well known movie classics.  More of either than Kevin Bacon.

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« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2012, 03:25:33 pm »
No joke, just yesterday I was talking to coworkers about Kevin bacon during lunch. Two of them didn't even know who Kevin Bacon was. Yeah, they were the young'uns. 21ish. I was the only one there under 30 who knew what 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon meant.

I guess the Baconator is not so popular these days.  :dunno

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« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2012, 03:33:35 pm »
EVERY American adult knows who Kevin Bacon is.

All but one knew who Ernest Borgnine was...   :lol

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« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2012, 03:38:05 pm »

You're all about titles, accolades, and "letting the community collectively decide what is good" in Hollywood.  You know, the Rotten Tomatoes thing.

So, let's consider this guy's resume:

  • Academy Award:  Best Actor
  • Golden Globe:  Best Actor
  • Emmys in three different decades
  • SAG:  Lifetime Achievement Award

He was in the main cast of two successful network television shows and a whole lot of very well known movie classics.  More of either than Kevin Bacon.

1956, Chad. Seriously.

Anyway, I'm not about any of those things. They are indicators, that's it. They allow you to make educated guesses, rather than wild guesses. Just recently I discussed how much I disliked The Artist, which I think won Best Picture this year. I also hated, HATED Titanic. And Spy Kids (no Oscar, but like 90+ on the Tomato Meter, IIRC). I just watched The Kid With a Bike, which is not only critically acclaimed (96% at RT), but French, and I absolutely hated it.

Trust me, a narcissist like me would never allow the community to trump his own opinions.   :P
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« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2012, 03:38:40 pm »
EVERY American adult knows who Kevin Bacon is.

All but one knew who Ernest Borgnine was...   :lol

They certainly claim to, at any rate.   :cheers:
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« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2012, 03:41:17 pm »
1956, Chad. Seriously.


Yep.  1956 matters in Hollywood when we're talking about someone that was still prominently working in 2011.

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« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2012, 03:52:43 pm »
So long as you have a flexible definition of "prominently". "Prolifically" is probably a more appropriate description.
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« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2012, 03:57:46 pm »
So long as you have a flexible definition of "prominently". "Prolifically" is probably a more appropriate description.

Also consider "Perpetually".

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« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2012, 04:01:57 pm »
Agreed. Both prolifically and perpetually work well, and both lend some credence to your claim. But I don't think you can make a good argument to complete the alliteration with "prominently". He has not had prominent roles in decades, let alone 2011.
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« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2012, 04:09:15 pm »

He won an Emmy in 2009.  I would call that prominent.

Spongebob Squarepants is prominent if we want to count voice acting.

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« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2012, 04:16:02 pm »

You're all about titles, accolades, and "letting the community collectively decide what is good" in Hollywood.  You know, the Rotten Tomatoes thing.

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« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2012, 04:29:42 pm »
Spongebob Squarepants is prominent if we want to count voice acting.

Yeah, we don't want to count that. Unless you think people spend much time reading credits after children's cartoons.

And even his Emmy is only questionably prominent. Nobody watches the Emmys to begin with (fewer than 15 million, compared with greater than 40 million for the Academy Awards, for example). And his award was for Outstanding Guest Actor. Which almost by definition is the opposite of a prominent role in a TV series (key word being guest).

I agree that his stint on ER appears to be his most prominent role in a very long time. But I wouldn't describe the role as objectively prominent.
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« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2012, 04:32:50 pm »

That's reasonable.  The issue at hand, though, is not how recent his prominence is.  The issue is overall fame and familiarity.   :)

The opposite of a prominent role in a TV series can't be an Emmy winning guest spot.  It would be more like sitting at a PC arguing over how famous Ernest Borgnine should be considered.

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« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2012, 04:38:16 pm »
Agreed. 100%. See below.

It just strikes me as strange that he has a thread dedicated to him . . . . But now it's beginning to strike me as even stranger that I'm in here defending this position so ardently. So I guess I'll stop.

And yet . . . here I am.
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« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2012, 07:24:07 pm »
Apparently more famous than I was aware. I'm skeptical, sure, primarily because I do tend to have a fairly encyclopedic knowledge of Hollywood. But plenty slips through the cracks. It really has little to do with not wanting to admit it. I just find the claims incompatible with the evidence and my own experiences.

I've been in that boat once or twice.  I've got a fairly good (and relatively useless) knowledge of Hollywood as well, and end up hearing a name that's supposedly famous that I've never heard of.  Then I see a picture or something about their roles, and I'll recognize them.  Like I said, it's rare though.  Admittedly, I may not have been able to pick Borgnine's picture out of a lineup of old, slightly less famous (currently) people, but I've heard his name plenty of times over the years.
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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #67 on: July 11, 2012, 09:45:35 pm »
Exactly the opposite for me. I mean, exactly the same concept, but with name and face reversed. I instantly recognize his face, but I've never known his name. Not like I just forgot it or I couldn't necessarily produce it on command. Seeing his name on this thread wasn't like, "Oh . . . that's right, his name is Ernest Borgnine." It was just a brand new thing. I recognize the actor, but have definitely never known his name.

And that's especially unusual for me, because I have an excellent head for facts, but I'm much less competent with faces (and I'm completely retarded with directions). My wife, on the other hand, never forgets a face. Like, uncanny, never forgets. So she'll be watching, like, an episode of SVU and she'll be like, "That guy is from that one movie. What's that movie with . . . OMG . . . what's his name . . . he's in Star Wars . . . "

"Mark Hamill?"

"No . . . the like . . . good looking guy."

"Harrison Ford?"

"Yeah . . . what's that movie he was in a long time ago where some guy gets murdered in a bathroom or something and an Amish kid witnesses it?"

"The Witness?"

"Oh yeah . . . haha . .. yeah.  That guy is the kid from The Witness."

"What? That guy is like 40! You can't tell if he's the kid from the Witness."

"No . . . That's totally him."

And, of course, it's totally him. It's always him. She's never wrong. This sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME. My wife and I play like a six-degrees-of-separation game to get to any movie she's thinking of. Like, "What's the name of such and such movie where such and such happens? Right . . . remember the bad guy in that movie? He was in that other movie with that one black guy, what's that black guy's name? Okay . . . what was the name of the movie he was in where he played a cop tracking down a serial killer?
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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #68 on: July 12, 2012, 09:39:23 am »
I said none of us knew his name. Which I think is almost certainly true, or at least almost none of us knew his name....... And it's not like any of us, not a single one of us, ever in our entire lives went out of our way to watch something because we knew that Ernest Borgnine was in it.

I knew who he was. Why pigeon hole us all?

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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2012, 06:29:50 pm »
Agreed. Both prolifically and perpetually work well, and both lend some credence to your claim. But I don't think you can make a good argument to complete the alliteration with "prominently". He has not had prominent roles in decades, let alone 2011.

I will always remember him as Harry Booth in The Black Hole.

Another film that is getting a reboot.



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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #70 on: July 12, 2012, 07:26:19 pm »


I will always remember him as Harry Booth in The Black Hole.

Another film that is getting a reboot.



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Re: Ernest Borgnine RIP
« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2012, 11:41:58 pm »
Unless I'm missing something I'm only seeing three "RIP" threads in the last month with another one two months ago.  Doesn't seem like all that much traffic to me.  :dunno