Mobile hotspot - Am I missing something?

[shmokes]

We just got my wife a new smartphone that comes with built-in mobile hotspot functionality. But AT&T charges $50/mo for this functionality. WTF? Am I missing something? As far as I can tell AT&T isn't DOING anything when I use my phone as a hotspot. My phone is handling all the routing and processing. I'm using capped data that I've already paid for. AT&T isn't providing any extra service whatsoever. Right?

I mean, I'd understand a douchey little nominal monthly fee, or an exorbitant/extortionate $30 one-time fee. But $50/mo and I don't get any extra data with that? I only pay $30/mo for the data package I'd be sharing with my iPad!

[Samstag]

Just wait till they add the porn surcharge.

[ark_ader]

Phone Wifi routing?  Are you serious?  You want to be careful doing that.  Especially with blue tooth.

You could be opening a huge can of worms doing that.  Anyone worth their salt of hacking knowledge can do horrible things with it.  Leave you with so much grief, that your post count would exceed 50K.

Not because you are stupid or irresponsible, but we are all fallible, and prone to forgetfulness.  With your luck some kid would probably war chalk you on the back at the mall.  

My Galaxy does that but I have to be really careful and quick when I enable it, but it doesn't cost me anything.  My tablet doesn't have 3G and I rarely share my data allowance with it.  I was without internet at home and I enabled it for 10 minutes maximum, but I change the password every time I turn it off.

But I am in the UK, and probably paid considerably more for my plan and phone than in the US.  But I would NEVER enable the wifi router on the phone in public.

I would avoid wifi routing at all costs unless you live in the sticks, or if it was for like 5 minutes.

$50 is a bit steep, but I'm glad you have to fork out for it.  I wish all carriers charged for that facility.  I would buy a cable if it was for a laptop.

I work for a very large mobile carrier (tech support) and we had a guy who had such a facility on his phone recently (actually we get calls like this every week).  He had a 500mb per month limit.  We charged £1 per mb if you go over.  
Somebody hacked his phone and downloaded some large files.  His bill was £3K or so, and he had to pay it.  We also had another guy who traveled to Egypt (a few years ago) and wanted to use the Satellite Data plan at £10 per MB and apparently his phone "locked up" and his bill was rather huge.  If you use a special data plan we have to unlock your account, so you can accrue lots of charges, otherwise you phone would stop and that would suck if you were in Egypt and had to use a public phone....  

I thought it very amusing especially with crappy phones of the day.  Not so funny now with the more capable phones of today.

Just wait till they add the porn surcharge.

Yeah that is another common complaint.  One guy (a lorry driver) subscribed to a porn site, and we charge for using the access and then pay the adult site whatever it is.  This dumb guy falls asleep and regardless if the phone is on or off keeps sending multimedia (porn) messages at £5 each text, like every minute until you text the site back with a stop command.  The guy had a heart attack when he got our bill.    "You play in the toilet...."

I like the excuses part of the call.  Makes my day.  

[shmokes]

The phone supports WPA2 encryption (as does your Galaxy). There's far less reason to be concerned about my mobile hotspot than the stationary WiFi network I have at home (also encrypted with WPA2).

And why do you wish all carriers charged for the "facility"? What exactly are they charging you for. It's like selling you a chair and then charging you extra if you want to prop the chair under a door knob to hold the door closed. It's retarded.

[ark_ader]

The phone supports WPA2 encryption (as does your Galaxy). There's far less reason to be concerned about my mobile hotspot than the stationary WiFi network I have at home (also encrypted with WPA2).

And why do you wish all carriers charged for the "facility"? What exactly are they charging you for. It's like selling you a chair and then charging you extra if you want to prop the chair under a door knob to hold the door closed. It's retarded.

I was going to comment about WPA2 and you are kind of right, but the hackers of today can break that pretty quickly.

Watch this:

I would advise not to go to this guys site, unless you want to get root kitted.  

I used to have all the hacking tools for Wifi when I worked for Fujitsu.  You had to keep up with the kiddies to do a proper risk assessment on the network.  VPN is toast too.

Under 4 minutes is pretty good, I use a pretty good key on mine, but can be hard to remember that is why most people keep it simple and bingo!  Heck in the old days our generic mobile account password was password....

It's like selling you a chair and then charging you extra if you want to prop the chair under a door knob to hold the door closed.

Now look at what you just typed.  You are complaining about using a device for something that it was not included in your contract.  Chairs are for sitting, but if you want to use it to stand on, that could incur an extra charge (you might exceed the chair's ability, capacity or added risk).  If you want to prop a door open, another charge, and so on.  I'm sure video calling is extra too, as is using VOIP.   

You are using the phone under your carrier's terms and conditions, regardless if the device does something that is not in your plan.  

It costs you $50 to turn on this feature?  Welcome to America.    

I do admit it sucks to be locked out of a feature or discriminated against and that is not fair.  Most of the time it is for your protection.

But we have fools out there who do stupid stuff, so charge them extra (for the paperwork) and let them exceed their usage plan and get raped on the charges.  Those guys make us money, and I like to work collections.

Boy do I wish I was your carrier customer service representative Jake.  The laughs we I would have....

[Ed_McCarron]

I was going to comment about WPA2 and you are kind of right, but the hackers of today can break that pretty quickly.

Sure.  And if you use a dictionary passphrase, you deserve to be hacked.

[shmokes]

Ark, your lack of capacity for basic reasoning is such a crackup. Are your online and real life personas at all similar? Because that would be sort of awesome.

[CheffoJeffo]

I was going to comment about WPA2 and you are kind of right, but the hackers of today can break that pretty quickly.

Sure.  And if you use a dictionary passphrase, you deserve to be hacked.

 

I am surprised by the $50 surcharge just for hotspotting ... I pay less than that, including data, for my portable LTE hotspot.

[Well Fed Games]

I work for a very large mobile carrier (tech support)

 His bill was £3K or so, and he had to pay it.

I thought it very amusing

... not sure if I would call that "support"...  Glad you're in the UK!

[ark_ader]

Ark, your lack of capacity for basic reasoning is such a crackup. Is your online and real life persona, at all similar? Because, that would be sort of awesome.

You are only upset, because you really don't know everything.  You would like to think you do, but you don't.  If you did you would not have enough time to rack up a 10K post count.

You are clever, and you have excellent communication skills, I'll give you that, but you always ruin all those merits with your ignorance.  I'm sure it is one of your goals to fix that ongoing problem.

p.s. I fixed your spelling mistake, punctuation, grammar, and tried to make sense of your diction. 

I work for a very large mobile carrier (tech support)

  His bill was £3K or so, and he had to pay it.

I thought it very amusing

... not sure if I would call that "support"...  Glad you're in the UK!

Damn right!  I worked for Sprint, while I was on summer vacation.  Totally black & white. 

Their customer support was appalling.  We might have a laugh now and then (it is a stressful job dealing with your crap) but being rude to customers is never acceptable.

[kahlid74]

I'm not a fan of calling people out but take Ark's comments with a grain of salt.  They aren't accurate.

As for the data tethering you're talking about mine is included in my data plan, but then again I've got the iPhone so there may be something special tied to that.  I get 5 GB and data tethering for $50/mo.  Have you tried seeing if you're employer gets a local discount?  When I took my wife's old iPhone 4 and added the data tethering I was not too pleased at the cost.  Then they checked and my employer gives me a 40% discount on all personal service and now my bill is less than it was before lol.

[shmokes]

p.s. I fixed your spelling mistake, punctuation, grammar, and tried to make sense of your diction.  

 

Nice try, Ark. And by nice I mean, LMAO

Okay, putting aside for a second the general asshattery of rewriting my post to correct my "spelling . . . , punctuation, grammar . . . , and diction," let's have a look. You turned this:

Are your online and real life personas at all similar? Because that would be sort of awesome.

Into this:

Is your online and real life persona, at all similar? Because, that would be sort of awesome.

I can detect no spelling correction whatsoever. What misspelled word did you correct?

Next I see that you've changed my "are" to "is" and changed "personas" into its singular form, "persona". So we're talking about subject/verb agreement. Let's check the rule (Strunk and White, 3rd edition): The number of the subject determines the number of the verb . . . . A compound subject formed of two or more nouns joined by and almost always requires a plural verb. The following illustrative example is provided: The walrus and the carpenter were walking close at hand. My sentenced contained a compound subject formed of two nouns joined by and (online and real life personas), and thus requires the plural verb "are".

You also inexplicably added a comma after the word "persona". This comma is so blatantly and laughably out of place as to require no explanation. It makes a previously readable sentence clumsy and confusing. Commas aren't like confetti or sprinkles, Ark.

And lastly, you added a comma following the "because" in my last sentence. The "because" in that sentence is a conjunction, joining two independent clauses ("Are your online and real life personas at all similar" and "that would be awesome"). Again, we can turn to Strunk and White for the rule (Rule 4, as it happens): Place a comma before a conjunction introducing an independent clause. [Emphasis mine]

Hence, if I had written the whole thing in a single sentence it would be, "Are your online and real life personas at all similar, because that would be sort of awesome," and not, "Are your online and real life personas at all similar, because, that would be sort of awesome." But since I separated it into two sentences, the comma before the conjunction is replaced by a period.

But best of all, who gives a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---? We're having an informal conversation. One of the sentences in my original post is, "WTF?" That sentence is not grammatical. Part of understanding the rules of grammar is knowing how to break them to good effect. Moreover, I make non-deliberate grammatical errors regularly enough. Just not in the sentences you attempted to deconstruct.

[Hoopz]

This thread is already making me wish for the "buttrock" thread to come back to life.   

[Le Chuck]

Not me, I'm starting to warm to this thread.  Keep it coming, I haven't been this entertained since lice that which shall not be named.

[Hoopz]

Not me, I'm starting to warm to this thread.  Keep it coming, I haven't been this entertained since lice that which shall not be named.

Bah, you're just collecting info for your "Worst thread of 2012 Award".   

[rooter]

We just got my wife a new smartphone that comes with built-in mobile hotspot functionality. But AT&T charges $50/mo for this functionality. WTF? Am I missing something? As far as I can tell AT&T isn't DOING anything when I use my phone as a hotspot. My phone is handling all the routing and processing. I'm using capped data that I've already paid for. AT&T isn't providing any extra service whatsoever. Right?

I mean, I'd understand a douchey little nominal monthly fee, or an exorbitant/extortionate $30 one-time fee. But $50/mo and I don't get any extra data with that? I only pay $30/mo for the data package I'd be sharing with my iPad!

I have an iPhone with AT&T.  It's an extra $30 a month to let your phone be a mobile hotspot.  This also includes doubling my data allowance from 2GB to 4GB.

[Green Giant]

Wow, you guys actually pay for the mobile tethering?

Well I am assuming your wife's new smartphone is android since you didn't say new iphone.  If that is the case, root it.

I rooted my incredible, and it is amazing what you can do.  There is a VERY FREE app that lets you create an encrypted mobile hotspot.  It used your phones wifi as the router and the 3G(doesn't have 4G) as the internet.  I turn it on and it sends out internet to anything that has my password.

I have to agree that it is ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- that they charge for a feature which is nothing more than an app.  A simple app at that which requires nothing more than root access on an android in order to piggyback on the data plan.

[shmokes]

I have an iPhone with AT&T.  It's an extra $30 a month to let your phone be a mobile hotspot.  This also includes doubling my data allowance from 2GB to 4GB.

That's interesting. Maybe the guy at the AT&T store misunderstood. He said that enabling the mobile hotspot functionality was $50/mo. I even clarified, "It's $50/mo on top of the $30/mo data package . . . so $80/mo for data if I want to use the phone as a hotspot?"

But after reading your post I did a google search which led to this page. The 2GB data plan doesn't exist anymore. You go straight from 300 mb for $20/mo to 3GB for $30/mo. And the 5GB plan is $50/mo.

In the fine print is the following line: 5GB data plan is required to enable mobile hotspot or tethering.

This suggests to me that maybe AT&T actually doesn't charge a monthly fee to enable hotspot, but rather only allows it on their $50/mo 5 GB plan. Which, while not ideal, is a damned site better than what the store employee said. I'm on the phone with AT&T now to clarify, but the guy I'm talking to seems borderline retarded, so we'll see if I come away with any updated info.

Edit: added quote

[shmokes]

Well I am assuming your wife's new smartphone is android since you didn't say new iphone. 

It's a Windows phone 7.5 (Mango). Specifically the Lumia 900. I haven't looked that much into whether Mango can be jailbroken or rooted or whatever it's called when it's a Windows phone, nor what capabilities that would open up. But my instincts are that the Android rooting community is far more robust than its Windows counterpart.

[shmokes]

Okay . . . I finally got a firm answer from AT&T. There is, in fact, no extra charge for mobile hotspot. But they only allow it on the top-tier 5 GB data plan. Hence, similar to what rooter said earlier, for $50 would give me not just mobile hot-spot functionality, but also more data. Actually, Rooter might want to have his plan re-evaluated if possible because the $50 plan today ought to be buying him 5 GB data per month rather than 4 GB.

It's still pretty lame that they arbitrarily won't let me use my phone as a mobile hot-spot with the 3 GB plan. The worst that might happen is that I'd go over my 3 GB data cap, which doesn't hurt AT&T at all . . . it just means I'd be paying overage charges. But that's just mildly annoying compared to the outrageous $50/mo surcharge for mobile hotspot on top of the regular data rates that the store employee described.

[Hoopz]

You realize that you had a firm answer before from the employee in the store too?  LOL.  Call back and get someone else and you'll get a 3rd answer.   

[shmokes]

Right, but the answer from the guy in the store made absolutely no sense (well except to the screwy marbles rolling around in Ark's head), hence my rant. This new firm answer jives with rooter's personal experience, and it also seems to jive with the official promotional material on AT&T's website.

[Le Chuck]

Enabling on my Iphone with Verizon seems to require a montly service fee but does come with an additional 2gb of data.  Still, the 20 or 30 a month it costs is a ripoff. 

[HaRuMaN]

Windows phone

Why?

[knave]

I was able to tether my Android Tablet to my phone with the PDAnet App.

I don't use it anymore...but I did it last summer to test out if it was possible. I will root my phone before I pay to tether.

[shmokes]

Windows phone

Why?

It is so much better. I have an iPad, and I've used iPhones. Windows Phone is a far and away superior user interface. And as far as aesthetics, neither iPhone nor Android (which is just an direct imitation of iPhone) are even playing in the same league. And that's important to my graphic designer wife. Honestly, she and I are as amazed as anyone that Microsoft would beat Apple in the graphic design department.

The one place where Android and iPhone have a huge advantage is apps. Windows phone has ~80,000 apps while both Android and iPhone have close to or in excess of 500,000 apps. This is important. There are some very problematic holes in the Windows Phone Marketplace. In particular, there's no Pandora, Audible, Dropbox, or Grocery IQ (though a beautiful official Audible app will be released any day now). Other options exist, like Slacker Radio instead of Pandora and a third party Boxfiles app to interface with Dropbox, but that's not as good as having the real thing. But, honestly, most of the major apps are there. For a power user there may be some more obscure, but nevertheless must-have, apps that are missing from the Windows Phone library, but for most people all the important apps are there complimenting the core apps.

Which brings me to the core apps, which are phenomenal. Everything from Mail to Messaging to Calendar are exceptionally designed, both in terms of beauty and UI functionality. The People Hub (Windows Phone's version of the contact list) is nothing short of revolutionary (and while I haven't actually seen it, I have the impression that Android ICS may be borrowing the idea). When my wife first got her new phone it automatically populated the People Hub with her Facebook friends and Gmail contacts. Since she has a bunch of Facebook friends that are, like, old high school acquaintances whom she doesn't care about, she told the phone not to show Facebook friends in her contact list. But the phone still pulls data from Facebook for everybody still in her contact list. So when she clicks on any given person, the main page that pops up shows the person's Facebook profile pic (unless she tells it to use a local pic or something from another service), and it shows any email addresses or phone numbers the person has, and gives you quick options to call, SMS, email, or chat with that person. A swipe to the left, though, will show that person's activity on social networks. Another swipe will show photos of that person (albums from the person's Facebook profile, photos they're tagged in--even if you've told your phone not to show Facebook friends in your contact list). And it is all extremely fast, seamless, intuitive and beautiful.

The People Hub is just one element of the UI. The live tiles on the home page are brilliant. The calendar app is excellent, and automatically populates from Google calendars, Facebook events, etc. The music software is excellent.

In short, I think that the core experience of Windows Phone, including all of the core apps (which includes Mobile Office, BTW), is WAY ahead of iOS and Android. The App gap is huge, but in my opinion it's not as big a deal as the numbers make it seem. About 99.999% of iOS and Android apps are utter garbage. Literally . . . if there are 500,000 iOS apps and only .001 of them are worthwhile, that means that there are 500 worthwhile apps available for iOS. That may actually be far too generous. But at 80,000 apps it's not so hard to imagine that a good portion of those 500 worthwhile apps are also available for Windows Phone--the most popular apps, of course, are the most likely apps to be ported over. It's also worth noting, for perspective, that Windows Phone has only been on the market since November 2010, or less than a year and a half ago. I think it took Android a lot longer than a year and a half to get up to 80,000 apps. And Microsoft is throwing dumptrucks full of money at developers right now to encourage faster app development for the platform. Microsoft is an OS company, and they can see as clear as the next person that for more and more of the public, people's phones are becoming their primary computing platform. Microsoft knows that it can't lose this race. And on top of all of that, Windows 8 for the desktop comes out this fall and it shares the Metro UI with Windows Phone. It's a spectacular UI and I think that people getting familiar with it (and possibly falling in love with it) on the desktop will drive sales of the mobile platform as well.

I was close to getting the Lumia 900 for myself, but there are still a couple limitations that held me back. First is that Microsoft currently limits the screen resolution to 800x400 on any Windows Phone device. Also Windows Phone is only compatible with single-core processors. Both of these shortcomings will be addressed this fall by Windows Phone 8. My wife was so sick of her stupid feature phone, that she wanted to upgrade now. She was planning on an iPhone, but I told her that I was going to go with Lumia, but decided to put off upgrading my phone till Windows 8 came out this fall. She was like, "You weren't going to get an iPhone?" So she went to the AT&T store and took checked out the Lumia and fell immediately in love with it. She took a lot of flak at work (design firm--everyone . . . every single one . . . has an iPhone). She just laughs at them and says, "Whatever, brand whore."

And so on, lol. Here's a video of the UI:

[shmokes]

I was able to tether my Android Tablet to my phone with the PDAnet App.

I don't use it anymore...but I did it last summer to test out if it was possible. I will root my phone before I pay to tether.

To be clear . . . there isn't necessarily a charge to tether on AT&T. It would cost me more because I am on the $30 3 GB/mo plan and they only offer tethering on the $50 5 GB/mo plan. But a lot of people are heavy data users and they are already on the 5 GB/mo plan. For them, tethering costs nothing more. No need to root or jailbreak. For all I know my wife will turn out to be a heavy user and we'll need to move her to the 5 GB/mo plan. This is our first data plan. We decided to sign up for the 3 GB plan to start and monitor her usage throughout the month. If it turns out that we need the extra data, we'll upgrade and then hotspot functionality will cost nothing extra. If the 3 GB is sufficient we won't upgrade, because the only purpose was to give internet access to our WiFi-only iPad when we're on the road, which would be nice, but it isn't any kind of priority--especially now that we have a nice smartphone with internet access.

[ark_ader]

I can detect no spelling correction whatsoever. What misspelled word did you correct?

I'm going to add a button on my cab. A Shmokes button. I can push that button as easy as pushing yours Jake.      

Windows phone

Why?

I still have my Windows 6.5 phone that does a pretty good job, even though M$ discontinued it.  It functions great as a GPS, and that is about it..

Tethering is a really bad idea, as is rooting your phone when still in contract.

The Windows 7 phones are getting better, and soon to eat into the android market.

[shmokes]

I can detect no spelling correction whatsoever. What misspelled word did you correct?

I'm going to add a button on my cab. A Shmokes button. I can push that button as easy as pushing yours Jake.      

Read: Oh ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- . . . there wasn't anything misspelled after all.

[Samstag]

The one place where Android and iPhone have a huge advantage is apps. Windows phone has ~80,000 apps while both Android and iPhone have close to or in excess of 500,000 apps. This is important. There are some very problematic holes in the Windows Phone Marketplace. In particular, there's no Pandora, Audible, Dropbox, or Grocery IQ (though a beautiful official Audible app will be released any day now). Other options exist, like Slacker Radio instead of Pandora and a third party Boxfiles app to interface with Dropbox, but that's not as good as having the real thing. But, honestly, most of the major apps are there. For a power user there may be some more obscure, but nevertheless must-have, apps that are missing from the Windows Phone library, but for most people all the important apps are there complimenting the core apps.

Sounds like the android market of 2 years ago.  If MS can get some market share, the app developers will get on board.

[shmokes]

Oh yeah . . . I forgot to mention that Windows Phone 7 had no premium phones to show it off, but that appears to have changed with the Microsoft/Nokia alliance, as evidenced by the Lumia 900 (and the 800 in Europe last year). In terms of industrial design the only phone in existence that bests the Lumia is the iPhone 4/4s. And while the processor in the Lumia can't match specs with the dual-core chips in the newest Android, Windows Phone is an extremely efficient OS, so it feels every bit as nimble and responsive, if not more so, than the iPhone 4s and the current flagship Android devices.

So, basically, I'm fairly confident that Windows Phone will be successful.

[ark_ader]

I can detect no spelling correction whatsoever. What misspelled word did you correct?

I'm going to add a button on my cab. A Shmokes button. I can push that button as easy as pushing yours Jake.      

Read: Oh ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- . . . there wasn't anything misspelled after all.

No I was right in correcting your post, but I will let you figure it out.  Take your time.  Think before you type.  Seriously.

The one place where Android and iPhone have a huge advantage is apps. Windows phone has ~80,000 apps while both Android and iPhone have close to or in excess of 500,000 apps. This is important. There are some very problematic holes in the Windows Phone Marketplace. In particular, there's no Pandora, Audible, Dropbox, or Grocery IQ (though a beautiful official Audible app will be released any day now). Other options exist, like Slacker Radio instead of Pandora and a third party Boxfiles app to interface with Dropbox, but that's not as good as having the real thing. But, honestly, most of the major apps are there. For a power user there may be some more obscure, but nevertheless must-have, apps that are missing from the Windows Phone library, but for most people all the important apps are there complimenting the core apps.

Sounds like the android market of 2 years ago.  If MS can get some market share, the app developers will get on board.

It will be classic Microsoft catch up.  Throw enough money and cross your fingers.  It is the Internet Explorer debacle all over again.   

[Samstag]

It will be classic Microsoft catch up.  Throw enough money and cross your fingers.  It is the Internet Explorer debacle all over again.   

I don't think debacle means what you think it means.

[Le Chuck]

It will be classic Microsoft catch up.  Throw enough money and cross your fingers.  It is the Internet Explorer debacle all over again.   

I don't think debacle means what you think it means.

Don't cloud the discussion with research and facts!  Just fire off the first thing that sounds good, nobody fact checks around here anyway 

[Zero_Hour]

I'm not a fan of calling people out but take Ark's comments with a grain of salt.  They aren't accurate.

QFT

[shmokes]

No I was right in correcting your post, but I will let you figure it out.  Take your time.  Think before you type.  Seriously.

MMM hmmm . . . like the other grammatical "corrections" you made to my post. Yeah . . . this one's gonna keep me up at night.

[hypernova]

No I was right in correcting your post, but I will let you figure it out.  Take your time.  Think before you type.  Seriously.

Yeah...no...

Do you live in Bizarro world?  You did the opposite of "correcting".

[DaveMMR]

No I was right in correcting your post, but I will let you figure it out.  Take your time.  Think before you type.  Seriously.

Yeah...no...

Do you live in Bizarro world?  You did the opposite of "correcting".

What is the opposite of "correcting"?  "Mistakening"?

[Le Chuck]

No I was right in correcting your post, but I will let you figure it out.  Take your time.  Think before you type.  Seriously.

Yeah...no...

Do you live in Bizarro world?  You did the opposite of "correcting".

What is the opposite of "correcting"?  "Mistakening"?

Arc_adering

[ark_ader]

It will be classic Microsoft catch up.  Throw enough money and cross your fingers.  It is the Internet Explorer debacle all over again.   

I don't think debacle means what you think it means.

I mean debacle where the largest software company in the world misses the fact that the internet is the next big thing, and had to make a huge u-turn.

Or if you think IE is the market leader due to expert opinion........<link>

Same with Windows CE phones.  Another great disaster in the making.

No I was right in correcting your post, but I will let you figure it out.  Take your time.  Think before you type.  Seriously.

MMM hmmm . . . like the other grammatical "corrections" you made to my post. Yeah . . . this one's gonna keep me up at night.

Give up so easily?  Keep looking.   

No I was right in correcting your post, but I will let you figure it out.  Take your time.  Think before you type.  Seriously.

Yeah...no...

Do you live in Bizarro world?  You did the opposite of "correcting".

What is the opposite of "correcting"?  "Mistakening"?

Arc_adering

What is Arc_adering?  A name for a new cab? 

Mistakening?  I'll leave that one up to you guys.