Dead or alive, you're coming with me.

[Mikezilla]

I just read a snippet about the new Robocop remake, and they said that the new suit is going to allow the actors face/eyes to be visible. I think that is a mistake considering eyes convey so much emotion. I think they made it clear that Robo is still somewhat human during the last act of the orginal when he gets shot by Ed209 and it shows his eyes for the first time since he was transformed. They are also talking about making it PG-13. Im a huge Robocop fan and both of this little tidbits made me cringe. Any thoughts.

[Green Giant]

They are making a new Robocop?

[spoot]

I won't be buying this for a dollar!

[yotsuya]

I like Mike. He lives in the 80s, just like me. 

[Vigo]

Maybe it's a testament to Peter Weller, but I thought in the original he had no problem showing emotion or lack of without his eyes visible. You could just tell how much of Murphy was creeping out in Robocop as the movie progressed. I don't know if showing robocop's eyes is necessarily a bad thing, but it is gonna most likely going to change the dynamic of Robocop quite a bit. I really liked how you could just brush him off as nothing but a machine, and everybody does except for his old partner. It will be hard to make that element work if you can look right in his eyes.

As for the rating, I really hope they don't lose that dark, yet humorous vibe to it. I would love if they play fake commercials throughout the movie like the original.

[Mikezilla]

They are making a new Robocop?

Yes, unfortunately. The sequels were god awful, but the orginal is one of my most favorite movies, thats why Im like "wtf are they gonna do?" Same with the damn Ninja Turtles. Michael Bay...raping my childhood all over again.

I like Mike. He lives in the 80s, just like me. 

Right back at ya friend! 

Maybe it's a testament to Peter Weller, but I thought in the original he had no problem showing emotion or lack of without his eyes visible. You could just tell how much of Murphy was creeping out in Robocop as the movie progressed. I don't know if showing robocop's eyes is necessarily a bad thing, but it is gonna most likely going to change the dynamic of Robocop quite a bit. I really liked how you could just brush him off as nothing but a machine, and everybody does except for his old partner. It will be hard to make that element work if you can look right in his eyes.

As for the rating, I really hope they don't lose that dark, yet humorous vibe to it. I would love if they play fake commercials throughout the movie like the original.

See, I thought the same thing Vigo. Thats why at the end, when he doesnt have his helmet on, it comes full circle when he confronts the men who killed them. Same thing goes with the Terminator. In the final act, those red, cold, calculating eyes induced terror and a sense of dread. Robos eyes contained a determined, sorrowful kind of look, which I think added to the character. I agree.

Seriously. The satire was what made it great. I always laugh when I see the "Nukem" commercial. "Get them before they get you"  I also dont want too much CG. I love practical effects.

[Green Giant]

So you think they will cruise around in a 9000 SUX or has it actually gone over 9000?

[Howard_Casto]

This will be an utter trainwreck.  What a lot of people don't know is robocop was supposed to be a rather inhuman cyborg... quickly and strangely skittering around a lot like the girl in splice.  Budget constraints and sfx limitations at the time forced him to become a more realistic, cumbersome cyborg.  And that happy accident is what made the character.  Robocop was the first (and possibly only) cyborg in cinema history that actually felt grounded in reality.  He was slow, bulky, half of his parts came from japan and he didn't always work right.... you know, just like real tech.

What do you want to bet that now they are going to go back to the "original vision"?


I agree about the eyes thing... showing his eyes is a big mistake.  The whole visor reveal thing was symbolic.... You are supposed to think of him as a piece of hardware in the beginning and as the movie progresses his humanity leaks out, eventually leading to the big reveal whish is basically a way of shouting "there's a guy in there" at the audience.  And in the subsequent films this theme continues.... in vulnerable and emotional scenes his visor is off... while he's shooting up bad guys it's on, because he's all business.


I'm pretty sure you can't make a good Robocop film pg-13 either.... case in point...Robocop 3 was pg-13. 


Oh and related news Detroit is getting a 10 foot tall Robocop statue!  About time I say.. afterall, philly has rocky!

[TOK]

I agree about the eyes thing... showing his eyes is a big mistake.  The whole visor reveal thing was symbolic.... You are supposed to think of him as a piece of hardware in the beginning and as the movie progresses his humanity leaks out, eventually leading to the big reveal whish is basically a way of shouting "there's a guy in there" at the audience.  And in the subsequent films this theme continues.... in vulnerable and emotional scenes his visor is off... while he's shooting up bad guys it's on, because he's all business.

I don't agree with this. The lower part of his face was exposed through the whole movie. Who didn't realize it was a guy in there? Isn't it a jolt on the head or something that makes him start to get pieces of his human memories back?

Cool movie, but its probably been almost 10 years since I've seen it.

[ark_ader]

I watched the prequel/remake of The Thing.

I was bored in the first 5 minutes of the movie, I have a feeling that Robocop (reboot?) will be the same old rehash, great to sleep through on a Friday night.

[Mikezilla]

I agree about the eyes thing... showing his eyes is a big mistake.  The whole visor reveal thing was symbolic.... You are supposed to think of him as a piece of hardware in the beginning and as the movie progresses his humanity leaks out, eventually leading to the big reveal whish is basically a way of shouting "there's a guy in there" at the audience.  And in the subsequent films this theme continues.... in vulnerable and emotional scenes his visor is off... while he's shooting up bad guys it's on, because he's all business.


I'm pretty sure you can't make a good Robocop film pg-13 either.... case in point...Robocop 3 was pg-13. 


Oh and related news Detroit is getting a 10 foot tall Robocop statue!  About time I say.. afterall, philly has rocky!

Good job HC, my sentiments exactly. God Robocop 3 was such a terrible movie, there are so many mistakes its embarrassing. You cant make Robo PG-13 and be serious. I dont get hollywood, they want to cater to a bigger audience by making it PG-13, but they would make more money if it was R, cause the fan base is all old now. Like when they made AvP, it was PG-13. Granted that movie couldnt have been good even if it was R, but still.

Did they secure the funding for it?! Last I heard they got 50k from someone. I heard they were taking down the rocky statue in philly cause someone was bitching about it. 

[Vigo]

I agree about the eyes thing... showing his eyes is a big mistake.  The whole visor reveal thing was symbolic.... You are supposed to think of him as a piece of hardware in the beginning and as the movie progresses his humanity leaks out, eventually leading to the big reveal whish is basically a way of shouting "there's a guy in there" at the audience.  And in the subsequent films this theme continues.... in vulnerable and emotional scenes his visor is off... while he's shooting up bad guys it's on, because he's all business.

I don't agree with this. The lower part of his face was exposed through the whole movie. Who didn't realize it was a guy in there? Isn't it a jolt on the head or something that makes him start to get pieces of his human memories back?

Cool movie, but its probably been almost 10 years since I've seen it.

I guess my interpretation was that most people didn't know that Robocop was once human unless they were part of the OCP Robocop project, but people assumed he was just designed to look human like.

Did they secure the funding for it?! Last I heard they got 50k from someone. I heard they were taking down the rocky statue in philly cause someone was bitching about it. 

  People like to ruin everything awesome like that. A Robocop statue would be awesome in Detroit. I guess I could accept an Eddie Murphy From Beverly Hills Cop or Clint Eastwood with Rifle from Gran Torino as a second place statue for Detroit. 

[Bootay]

HC, Mike and Vigo: I agree with everything said. I love Robocop as well. Part 2 was tolerable. 3?...ick. I have the series too but never watched it. I'm sure it's bad.

I live in Detroit and the Robocop statue rumor has been around for a few years. Not sure if it will really happen or if it's even real to be honest. Detroit is so poor and corrupt, this is the last thing the city needs to spend their money on. Half the city is still burnt down from the riots.

Don't get me wrong. A Robocop statue would be cool.

[ahofle]

Hollywood has a cancer...the cancer is 'remakes'...

[Green Giant]

Saddest part about Robocop is they actually filmed it in Dallas.  A bunch of the scenes were filmed in a building my dad used to work in (Renaissance Tower).  A thin connection to be sure, but I will take any connection to Robocop that I can get.   

Ewwwww Dallas

[HaRuMaN]

Hollywood has a cancer...the cancer is 'remakes'...

Total Recall, Dredd, The Evil Dead...

Just to name a few of the upcoming remakes...

[wp34]

John Carter is a good example of the current problem.  While technically not original (based on a 100 year-old book) it is not really a remake or reboot.  I thought it was a fantastic movie.  Word of mouth on it is great but it tanked big time.  Studios are afraid of this which is why we see so many reboots or remakes.  They are easier to market.

[Vigo]

I think the world needs yet another shrek movie. 

[knave]

I think the world needs yet another shrek movie. 

The first two were awesome, third was passable, I've avoided the 4th to preserve my fondness for the first two.

[Mikezilla]

Hollywood has a cancer...the cancer is 'remakes'...

Haha good job "old man"!  

Yeah, the problem with John Carter was that it was poorly marketed. And the guy that made the trailer should be fired. I want to see that, but nobody else will go with me.

Total Recall is going to suck, so is Evil Dead, but Im kind of excited to see Dredd. Hopefully Judge Death will be in there. He is pretty cool.

[Green Giant]

Hollywood has a cancer...the cancer is 'remakes'...

Total Recall, Dredd, The Evil Dead...

Just to name a few of the upcoming remakes...

WTF, are you serious.

Are they at least using any of the original actors?

[Bootay]

Nope. Bruce Campbell will not be in Evil Dead. The lead is a female.

Total Recall stars Colin Ferrell.

Not sure about Dredd.

[Vigo]

Just imdb'ed it. Karl Urban (Bones from the Star Trek Reboot) is gonna be Judge Dredd. I dont see any actor credited for Judge Death.

[Howard_Casto]

HC, Mike and Vigo: I agree with everything said. I love Robocop as well. Part 2 was tolerable. 3?...ick. I have the series too but never watched it. I'm sure it's bad.

I live in Detroit and the Robocop statue rumor has been around for a few years. Not sure if it will really happen or if it's even real to be honest. Detroit is so poor and corrupt, this is the last thing the city needs to spend their money on. Half the city is still burnt down from the riots.

Don't get me wrong. A Robocop statue would be cool.

The series is actually really good.  It's kind of like the Sarah Connor chronicles in that it ignores the lame third sequel and pretends it doesn't exist.  Thecnically it's an alternate re-telling, but you could say that it takes place after part II.  Just don't watch that god awful robocop mini series that came out a couple of years ago... that thing is garbage.

It's not a rumor anymore, the statue was bought a paid for via a kick-starter fund.  It's in the process of being sculpted for the cast now... they are hoping to have it ready by fall.  Right now they are trying to find a location willing to install it, which is giving them a little bit of trouble.  Honestly I don't see how... I mean if I owned a building and somebody wanted to put a gaint robocop statue in front of it we'd be out in the front lot looking for a place to put it before they even finished their sentence.  The kick-starter fund has also started a movement called "robocharity" for the detroit area.  They hope to use the statue to raise awareness about the city's needs.

TOK:  What Vigo said.  Besides that I don't mean literally.... prior to the reveal people were treating him like a product... post reveal he's treated like a person and as an audenice member it solidifies that murphy's soul is still in that tin can.  Just because they used a guy from spare parts doesn't mean the guy's soul is in there.  That's what I was getting at.

[Hoopz]

As long as it's better than Escape from LA, I'll consider it a success.  That movie set the low point for any sequel/remake/reboot IMHO.  The surfing scene should be considered the worst scene in the history of films.

[wp34]

As long as it's better than Escape from LA, I'll consider it a success.  That movie set the low point for any sequel/remake/reboot IMHO.  The surfing scene should be considered the worst scene in the history of films.

I did love the Basketball scene in that movie.   That was pretty cool.  The rest of the movie stunk almost enough to hurt the original movie.

Worst sequel - Highlander II 

[Bootay]

PBJ: Judge Dredd comics are awesome. Nothing else though.

HC: I will check out the series one day. Also, yea I looked into it and you're right. They really are doing the Robocop statue. That's cool. And how can they not find a place for it? Every few feet is a burned down building, and you can buy a lot with an abandon building for $1,000 in Detroit. Just buy the lot and demo the building and put the statue there. Seriously...the entire city is burned down except for where Comerica Park and the Casinos are. That little area is nice for the tourists, but if you make a wrong turn down a side street you're in Pakistan.

[Hoopz]

As long as it's better than Escape from LA, I'll consider it a success.  That movie set the low point for any sequel/remake/reboot IMHO.  The surfing scene should be considered the worst scene in the history of films.

I did love the Basketball scene in that movie.   That was pretty cool.  The rest of the movie stunk almost enough to hurt the original movie.

Worst sequel - Highlander II 

Nope.  This guy said it best:

There are no sequels to Highlander, there are no sequels to Highlander, there are no sequels to Highlander!

But the last made for tv movie that Sci-Fi made/aired a few years ago was terrible.  It made the 2nd sequel with Mario Van Peebles look like the greatest thing ever.

But to my point, there are no sequels!

[Vigo]

At least when they re-edited the "highlander sequel", they changed it from absolute ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- to just absolute crap. That's an upgrade. 

[Hoopz]

At least when they re-edited the "highlander sequel", they changed it from absolute ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- to just absolute crap. That's an upgrade. 

Didn't see that.  Which sequel?  I mean, there are no sequels.

That final Sci Fi channel movie was just awful.  Awful.

[Vigo]

There were actually two attempts to fix that steaming pile. Highlander II: Renegade Edition. They basically recut the film to try to hide the fact that they had scripted the immortals to really be aliens from another planet. It took out that one atrocity, but the alternate was not much better....that the immortals were banished to various points in history for some dumb reason I can't remember. They did seem to fix the problem with gaping plot holes every 20 minutes though.

Then they did a special edition, ala George Lucas style. Added a bunch of CGI to the renegade edition in hopes that people would suddenly like it. I haven't seen it, but I am guessing that unlike Star wars, people were not offended because the source material sucked to begin with.

[Mikezilla]

PBJ: Judge Dredd comics are awesome. Nothing else though.

HC: I will check out the series one day. Also, yea I looked into it and you're right. They really are doing the Robocop statue. That's cool. And how can they not find a place for it? Every few feet is a burned down building, and you can buy a lot with an abandon building for $1,000 in Detroit. Just buy the lot and demo the building and put the statue there. Seriously...the entire city is burned down except for where Comerica Park and the Casinos are. That little area is nice for the tourists, but if you make a wrong turn down a side street you're in Pakistan.

Thats awesome that they are going ahead with the statue! Wow, I didnt know Detroit was so bad. I mean, I knew it was bad, but not THAT bad. 

[HaRuMaN]

Battlefield Earth.

[Hoopz]

I've got an otherwise intelligent friend that's a big fan of Highlander 2.  He's also a big fan of Battlefield Earth.

 

I remember going to see the Highlander sequel in college at the theater right by our apartment.  Took the girlfriend and I'm sure that was the beginning of the end of that relationship.  I can't believe a movie could be that bad.

Until Snake Plissken started surfing. 

[Mikezilla]

I've got an otherwise intelligent friend that's a big fan of Highlander 2.  He's also a big fan of Battlefield Earth.

 

I remember going to see the Highlander sequel in college at the theater right by our apartment.  Took the girlfriend and I'm sure that was the beginning of the end of that relationship.  I can't believe a movie could be that bad.

Until Snake Plissken started surfing. 

Yeah that was brutal. The effect itself looked horrible. Did John Carpenter do that one as well?

[Vigo]

I guess Highlander II was so bad that during filming Christopher Lambert Threatened to leave.

How bad does a film have to be that Christopher Lambert doesn't want to touch it?

[lanman31337]

So the plot thickens gentlemen... Just saw a commercial for a remake of The Three Stooges.  I don't know about you, but I think most of these remakes are terrible.  I can't think of one I like, other than the 1985 remake of Alice in Wonderland/Looking Glass with Carol Channing and Sammy Davis Jr.

[Green Giant]

Remind me never to watch the highlander sequel then.

I really liked it the first time I saw it.  I had never heard of highlander and I didn't even know it was a sequel.  However when you are 7 alot of things seem pretty cool.

I also remember liking robocop 3.  I even saw it in theatres I think.  I think the problem is you guys were all way to old when those came out.

[Vigo]

So the plot thickens gentlemen... Just saw a commercial for a remake of The Three Stooges.  I don't know about you, but I think most of these remakes are terrible.  I can't think of one I like, other than the 1985 remake of Alice in Wonderland/Looking Glass with Carol Channing and Sammy Davis Jr.

I heard about the 3 stooges movie this morning as well....terrible idea. Some things are not meant to be updated. I predict this will be as big of a train wreck as when they released "the munsters today" in the 80's.


Inversely, I am somewhat interested in Bill and Ted 3, probably because it can't get any campier than Bogus Journey.

[Bootay]

PBJ: Judge Dredd comics are awesome. Nothing else though.

HC: I will check out the series one day. Also, yea I looked into it and you're right. They really are doing the Robocop statue. That's cool. And how can they not find a place for it? Every few feet is a burned down building, and you can buy a lot with an abandon building for $1,000 in Detroit. Just buy the lot and demo the building and put the statue there. Seriously...the entire city is burned down except for where Comerica Park and the Casinos are. That little area is nice for the tourists, but if you make a wrong turn down a side street you're in Pakistan.

Thats awesome that they are going ahead with the statue! Wow, I didnt know Detroit was so bad. I mean, I knew it was bad, but not THAT bad. 

Yea Detroit is pretty bad. I live right outside of Detroit. About 1 minute away. There's like a street that serves as a border and as soon as you cross that street you can instantly tell. Every other building is burned down and spray painted. The whole city is in ruin and the people who run the city just don't care. They only care about the area where Comerica Park and the Casinos are. I am not exaggerating when I say that there are still thousands of burned down/abandoned buildings from the riots in the 1960s that are still there. A lot of the residential streets will have 4 houses that aren't burned down/abandoned. And people live that way. On a street that is more than half burned down. Then the crime is pretty bad too. Detroit and Flint are usually neck in neck for the crime capitol of the world each year. I should take pictures sometime and post em. It's pretty sad.

But anyway...back on topic. I remember seeing Escape From LA and feeling so empty inside...I loved Escape From New York and LA turned the entire thing into a joke. I am a huge John Carpenter fan but he really fell off after the 80s. Everything he did in the 80s was gold to me.

Highlander II I remember seeing once. I don't remember understanding much of it. I think it was II.