Weak year in movies

[shmokes]

I just took a look at the list of Oscar nominations for 2012. Granted, of the best picture nominees I've only seen Moneyball and Midnight in Paris. But my general feeling is that it was slim pickings this year. Midnight in Paris was fantastic (especially if you've read much Ernest Hemingway). But Moneyball? It was good, but that's all. It's not like I'll ever have any desire to watch it a second time. I'm still going to watch most of the others, but I haven't been especially excited about any of them.

And how about Pixar? Not even nominated this year. I mean, they didn't deserve to be (Cars 2), but that's equally surprising. Feature length animations have their own category. So few feature length animations are made each year that, generally speaking, simply making a film automatically gets you a nod from the Academy in this category. For example, some past nominees: Happy Feet, Ice Age, Jimmy Neutron, Shark Tale.

[SNAAKE]

this year will make up for it I guess


cant wait for all the high budget summer blockbusters.

[shmokes]

Summer blockbusters too. What did we have last year that was good besides Harry Potter? Planet of the Apes? Mediocre.

[SNAAKE]

like....nothing

transformers...IN 3D!!!!1! plus captain america and thor were decent. cant complain.

this year will be KRAY!
- gi joe retaliation
- spiderman
- avengers
- battleship(hit and miss..)
- PROMETHEUS
- dark knight rises
- superman
- TOTAL RECALL (I dont even know what this is supposed to be lol)
- THE EXPENDABLES 2 (battle of senior citizenz!)
- THE BOURNE LEGACY (without matt daemon..eh??)

[fallacy]

Limitless was my favorite 2011 movie.

[shmokes]

I didn't like limitless. It started out good, but he kept doing too many incredibly retarded things for someone who was supposed to be suddenly like the smartest guy in the room.

[shmokes]

Just got done watching Descendants. It was pretty good. Midnight in Paris is still my favorite. My wife liked Descendants more.

[DaOld Man]

I think this thread is about movies for 2011?
Dont want to get off topic, but anyway, starting tomorrow is a movie that looks very promising: The Grey.
I wont get to see it until next weekend though, due to my work schedule.
The new one with Cuba Gooding Jr (cant think of the name right now) looks good too. About WWII flying aces.

[Howard_Casto]

The new one with Cuba Gooding Jr (cant think of the name right now) looks good too. About WWII flying aces.

George Lucas is doing that one, so it's sure to be a train wreck.  Every studio on the planet turned him down so he's funding the whole thing himself.  That being said, it could be the blockbuster of the year because he somehow got an interview with Oprah.   

Basically he wants to do another movie about dog fights and the Star Wars fans have abandoned him, so this give him an excuse to do a film about dog fights.  Don't expect a heartwarming tale about race relations an such, unless you thought that the swt had a meaningful and realisitic plot. 

It also doesn't help that this film has already been made, and recently at that.  There is a film re-running on halmark channel about the black fighter pilots of WWII right now.... it was a small budget film and had a limited release in 2005 (ish?).


I would go so far as to say it's been a tough century thus far for movies.  (2000 onwards).  I mean you've got the lord of the rings films, but after having those re-runned to death I'm starting to see that maybe they weren't as good as I thought when I first saw them.

[SNAAKE]

The new one with Cuba Gooding Jr (cant think of the name right now) looks good too. About WWII flying aces.

George Lucas is doing that one, so it's sure to be a train wreck.  

it is

its "obtainable" but a waste of time

[fallacy]

I have Midnight in Paris already donnwloaded, maybe I will watch it in my theater room tonight.

I almost have IN TIME with Justin Timberlake downloaded, I kind of wanted to watch that one. It’s just not right that I don’t hate Justin Timberlake, it's just not right.

[ark_ader]

Basically he wants to do another movie about dog fights and the Star Wars fans have abandoned him, so this give him an excuse to do a film about dog fights.

That is pretty funny since the Xwing and Tie Fighters sequences in 4 and 6 were inspired by WWII dog fights.

http://cineleet.com/2008/05/22/before-the-galaxy-far-far-away/

[Well Fed Games]

Limitless was my favorite 2011 movie.

OK, I enjoyed the movie, but couldn't get over this: (SPOILER):

At one point it is implied that during one of his black outs he kills a woman, the police pursue it briefly, and then that plot point is NEVER referenced again. Pretty much all the stuff mentioned here: http://underthegunreview.net/2012/01/02/what-the-film-limitless/ (after watching it I had to google "Limitless plot holes" to make sure I didn't just miss something).

Agreed with OP though, I don't know any year I have gone to the theater less than this last one.

[shmokes]

I think this thread is about movies for 2011?

I agree with your sentiment. It's a mistake to call them 2012 Oscar nominations. But it's not my mistake. It's silly to name the award for the year of the ceremony rather than the year in which all the movies were made, but that is nevertheless what they do.

[DaOld Man]

I figured that, after I made my post.

Movies for 2011 pretty much sucked. I didnt go very much, and honestly I cant recall all the ones Ive seen.
I liked Cowboys and Aliens.
Planet of the apes was good.

[Mikezilla]

like....nothing

transformers...IN 3D!!!!1! plus captain america and thor were decent. cant complain.

this year will be KRAY!
- gi joe retaliation
- spiderman
- avengers
- battleship(hit and miss..)
- PROMETHEUS
- dark knight rises
- superman
- TOTAL RECALL (I dont even know what this is supposed to be lol)
- THE EXPENDABLES 2 (battle of senior citizenz!)
- THE BOURNE LEGACY (without matt daemon..eh??)

Im a huge comic nerd (surprise) but have you seen the new spiderman suit? Its freaking awful. He has suction cups on his feet, and yellow eyes. The lizard looks terrible too. Saw the concept art and man, looks so...wrong.

Hoping Avengers is going to be good, they better get the hulk right or there will be some wicked nerd rage.

Dark Knight rises is going to be awesome. I hope Bane breaks his back like he does in the comics, the only thing Im worried about with that movie is how they are going to handle catwoman. I hope they cover up Anne Hathaways face, her body is nice but I hate that doe eyed look she has

Total Recall is going to suck, no mars, no mutants, no 3 boobed chicks. Yawn.

Prometheus looks awesome. I saw the demo reel for the guy that is doing the animitronics for it. Its going to be stunning.

Supes doesnt come out til 2013.  Expendables is going to be PG-13 cause Chuck Norris is a big fat vagina.

How the hell can you say that Planet of the Apes was medoicre shmokes? That movie was amazing. I cant wait for the sequel.

[Vigo]

Yeah, I just saw the new spidy costume...bad.
I hate that every costume design these days has to have a kevlar texture to it,





I just saw the new superman costume as well, I don't know if that can even be called a superman costume. Maybe superman's kevlar outfit that faded in the laundry after 10 years of use.

[Donkbaca]

2011 was such a weak year, you know its bad year when a french film, shot in black and white about silent movies is nominated for best picture.  I think it also shows its a bad year that the fat chick from bridesmaids was nominated as best supporting actress.  There has been no "OMG you have to see this!" movie this year, unless you are a Twilight fan or a Harry Potter nerd.  Personally I found the Harry potter movies boring....

Anyhow next year:
GI Joe will be garbage just like the first one, but it will have good action scenes and ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- blowing up, so it will be decent.
Don't think Spiderman will be good.
Avengers will be garbage, all the other marvel films have been borderline garbage.  Here is the problem, we love comics because something like the X-Men has been around for 40+ years and there is a deep mythology there and a lot of character development over the years.  When you try to distill all of that down to 2 hours, you end up making most of the characters look shallow.  You can't properly develop the story for a whole team of people in 2 hours and tell a compelling story.  That is why most comic movies suck, there are just too many characters.  This is why the new Batman films are pretty good, they focus tightly on two or three characters.
Battleship will probably stink but be fun to watch
Prometheus looks great, loves me some Ridley Scott

[Vigo]

Avengers will be garbage, all the other marvel films have been borderline garbage.  Here is the problem, we love comics because something like the X-Men has been around for 40+ years and there is a deep mythology there and a lot of character development over the years.  When you try to distill all of that down to 2 hours, you end up making most of the characters look shallow.  You can't properly develop the story for a whole team of people in 2 hours and tell a compelling story.  That is why most comic movies suck, there are just too many characters.  This is why the new Batman films are pretty good, they focus tightly on two or three characters.

To me thats one of the things the marvel movies has been working toward the right way with the avengers movie at least. Have a movie on every hero before throwing together a superhero bonanza. After a complete plot meltdown with the X-men, I think they are trying to fix that issue (and grab more money in the process). 

[Well Fed Games]

I don't know, the difference between the other Marvel movies and The Avengers is Joss Whedon. He tells good character-driven stories in a sci-fi/fantasy context, so I am looking forward to it.

Chances are The Avengers, Dark Knight Rises, and Prometheus will be the films I suffer through a public theater experience for.

[Rando]

Avengers will be garbage, all the other marvel films have been borderline garbage.  Here is the problem, we love comics because something like the X-Men has been around for 40+ years and there is a deep mythology there and a lot of character development over the years.  When you try to distill all of that down to 2 hours, you end up making most of the characters look shallow.  You can't properly develop the story for a whole team of people in 2 hours and tell a compelling story.  That is why most comic movies suck, there are just too many characters.  This is why the new Batman films are pretty good, they focus tightly on two or three characters.

To me thats one of the things the marvel movies has been working toward the right way with the avengers movie at least. Have a movie on every hero before throwing together a superhero bonanza. After a complete plot meltdown with the X-men, I think they are trying to fix that issue (and grab more money in the process). 

Somewhat disagree as a fanboy:
-   Hulk 1 was awful, Hulk 2 is on my list to see but I have low expectations
-   Iron Man 1 was good, Iron Man 2 was pretty good
-   Thor was good
-   Captain America was really good
-   Avengers hopefully will be somewhere in there as well

[Le Chuck]

I liked Incredible Hulk, but I also liked Ang Lee's Hulk and I am totally psyched for another dose.  I thought Captain America was weaker than Thor but still good.  I really wish that the DC machine would get with the program and start producing some quality apart from Patrick Bateman... I mean Batman.  Green Latern?  What the hell man, fun but poorly executed.  I pray for the upcoming superman. 

[shmokes]

Avengers will be garbage, all the other marvel films have been borderline garbage.  Here is the problem, we love comics because something like the X-Men has been around for 40+ years and there is a deep mythology there and a lot of character development over the years.  When you try to distill all of that down to 2 hours, you end up making most of the characters look shallow.  You can't properly develop the story for a whole team of people in 2 hours and tell a compelling story.  That is why most comic movies suck, there are just too many characters.

I think you're memory is foggy here. The first two X-Men movies were great. Brett Ratner made an utter piece of garbage of the third film. But the recent X-Men: First Class was really good. The first two Spider-Man movies were great too. As was the first Iron Man. The second Iron Man and Thor, while not great, were at least watchable. Haven't seen Captain America. And there have been lots of great non-Marvel ones. Hellboy was fantastic. Hellboy 2 was even better according to all the critics, but IMO it sort of sucked. Kick Ass was phenomenal. Scott Pilgrim was great. The Watchmen was quite good. American Splendor was a masterpiece. The Crow was pretty good. And then you have the first Tim Burton Batman (and sort of the second) as well as both the Chris Nolan ones.

There have been A LOT of good comic book movies.

Edit: Heh . . . I totally left out the first two Christopher Reeves Supermans.

[Le Chuck]

Scott Pilgrim was great.

+ a billion

[Howard_Casto]

I don't know, the difference between the other Marvel movies and The Avengers is Joss Whedon. He tells good character-driven stories in a sci-fi/fantasy context, so I am looking forward to it.

Really?  You really think his FILMS are good? 

Let's take a look shall we?

Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the film, not the series)
Alien Resurrection
Speed
Waterworld
Twister
X-men


Now fans of Joss (as well as the man himself) will say that directors and other writers monkeyed with his original vision.  That excuse is getting old though.  All these years and the only good thing he's ever produced is Buffy, it's spinoff and firefly/serenity.  Everything else he has a hand in turns to crap.  I'm rooting for the guy because his good work is REALLY good, but he's starting to look like the Next George Lucas.... famous for one and only one fantastic thing.

Even assuming that it isn't excuses  (and that very well could be the case) what would lead you to believe that they aren't going to have idiot directors, producers and movie making types monkey with his vision and ruin it like they have with virtually every single film he's ever wrote?


The problem with these types of films is that the budget is too high, so the studios constantly pester the individuals who are supposed to be in charge to change things based on their non-sensical monetary concerns.  Of course the catch 22 is that most super hero movies would be terrible without a high special effects budget, so there you go.


I've gotta say, this new wave of super hero movies has been really terrible.... mind you most of them are watchable, but that isn't exactly high praise.  I think the second Hulk film did a really good job of capturing the theme of the old tv show and the comics, so I would say it's a success.  The second (not the first or third) spiderman was really good as well.  I would say that the first was also pretty good except for the fact that their interpretation of the goblin was so lame.  It's a common problem with these new super hero movies.... they spend so much time pumping up the hero that the villian isn't even secondary.  It ruined the fantastic 4 films, the last two xmen films, the iron man films and the green lantern film.  People should look back at the Tim Burton Batmans.... the ONLY successful superhero adaptations of popular characters.  They had powerful villians, a powerful setting, and writing that wasn't merely good, but matched the theme and pacing of the comic the franchise came from.


You guys also worry me that you are looking forward to films that you expect to merely be "good".  That's a sure sign right there that the bar has been dropped REALLY low. 

[Le Chuck]

Let's take a look shall we?

Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the film, not the series)
Alien Resurrection
Speed
Waterworld
Twister
X-men
 

I like every single movie on that list.

I'm rooting for the guy because his good work is REALLY good, but he's starting to look like the Next George Lucas.... famous for one and only one fantastic thing.

Which fantastic thing would that be?  The entire Star Wars cannon, or Indiana Jones?  Maybe American Graffitti.  Hard to say 

[Well Fed Games]

Really?  You really think his FILMS are good? 

Let's take a look shall we?

Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the film, not the series)
Alien Resurrection
Speed
Waterworld
Twister
X-men

You obviously don't know much about the man.  He had very little (if anything at all) to do with most of the films you mentioned (early script drafts that were thrown out) and you forgot one he did: Toy Story. You're right, he is only known for one good thing...  I am just saying, I expect to enjoy Avengers more because of his involvement. Between Avengers, Cabin in the Woods, and Much ado About Nothing, I have no doubt his movie directing career will be as well received as his TV career was. I only wish The Avengers had more strong female leads (Black Widow, meh), as he obviously shines in that kind of situation (Buffy, River Tam, etc.).

[shmokes]

I just watched Captain America. OMG. With the possible exception of Battle L.A. That was by far the worst movie I've seen from 2011. It was almost bad enough to be good comedy (see: 2012).

By the way, where the hell is Win/Win? That movie was amazing. It was way better than Moneyball. Better than The Descendants, too.

[Vigo]

Scott Pilgrim was great.

+ a billion

I don't know, a ton of people love Scott Pilgrim, but it just didn't jive too well with me. I usually like offbeat nerdy movies, and there was no shortage of great references and attention to detail in the film. It just seemed to be a teen romance drama that they honey-glazed with video game references to get me to swallow down that I was watching a bunch of Michael Cera moping around. And the repetitive humor...After the 2nd fight I kept thinking I was pretty much thinking "OK. I get it, they are fighting and it is suppose to be like a video game fight. The bad guy turned into coins...again. Are they really gonna keep running with this one?" Yes, yes they did.

Maybe I have just seen too many of those crappy highschool video game movies on youtube and this rang of a big budget version of that.

[AtomSmasher]

I don't know, a ton of people love Scott Pilgrim, but it just didn't jive too well with me. I usually like offbeat nerdy movies, and there was no shortage of great references and attention to detail in the film. It just seemed to be a teen romance drama that they honey-glazed with video game references to get me to swallow down that I was watching a bunch of Michael Cera moping around. And the repetitive humor...After the 2nd fight I kept thinking I was pretty much thinking "OK. I get it, they are fighting and it is suppose to be like a video game fight. The bad guy turned into coins...again. Are they really gonna keep running with this one?" Yes, yes they did.

Maybe I have just seen too many of those crappy highschool video game movies on youtube and this rang of a big budget version of that.

Agreed, I didn't care for it too much either.  I think my main problem is I hated the main character, he was a complete ---meecrob---.  At the end of the movie I was just thinking "Why do I care if we wins this fight or not"

Anyways, my favorite movie of 2011 is probably The Muppets.  I might not like it as much when I see it a second time, but it was exactly what I was hoping it to be when I saw it in the theater.
Another highlight for me this year was Tucker & Dale Versus Evil.  I haven't seen Rise of Planet of the Apes yet, but I just got the dvd from netflix, so I'll be watching it this weekend.  Other movies I really want to see but haven't yet are Drive, 50/50, and The Guard.
Overall a very mediocre year for movies.

[shmokes]

Drive, 50/50, and The Guard were all really good. Especially the latter two. I had totally forgot about tucker & Dave. I need to pick that up. The Muppets was interesting. I took my 5-year-old daughter to it. I really liked it, but I could tell that she was bored with at least 60% of the movie. But it didn't surprise me at all either. The movie was made for adults, almost entirely. If you have any question about that, pay attention to the audience at the end when they're finally putting on the Muppet Show at the end. Where are all the children?

[ark_ader]

Why the weak Movies?

The actors/actresses are making more money on Television.

[Vigo]

The Muppets was interesting. I took my 5-year-old daughter to it. I really liked it, but I could tell that she was bored with at least 60% of the movie. But it didn't surprise me at all either. The movie was made for adults, almost entirely. If you have any question about that, pay attention to the audience at the end when they're finally putting on the Muppet Show at the end. Where are all the children?

Well, it was much more close to the original vision of the Muppets, The Muppets were always created to be made for adults, but something that the kids could watch along. Jim Henson moved on from sesame street because he believed that puppets could be a form of adult entertainment as well.

[TOK]

I just watched Captain America. OMG. With the possible exception of Battle L.A. That was by far the worst movie I've seen from 2011. It was almost bad enough to be good comedy (see: 2012).

By the way, where the hell is Win/Win? That movie was amazing. It was way better than Moneyball. Better than The Descendants, too.

Wow, really? Its my favorite Marvel adaption. Do you not like/know the source material?
Red Skull is his proper villain, and the humble hero portrayal was pretty much perfect (I thought Chris Evans was going to ruin it), lots of great action, one-liners, and nice tie-ins to other characters in the series. Tony Starks dad was great.

I wouldn't consider it a movie for an Oscar talk thread, but loved it as a hero/action movie.

[shmokes]

I only have a passing knowledge of the source material. I never read Captain America. But I loved Hellboy and had never heard of it before the movie. And I know the Spider-man and X-men source material fairly well, but still hated Spider-Man 3 and X-Men 3. It's really more about the quality of the movie than how close it stayed to the source. I thought Captain America was just awful. If it was faithful to the source I suppose I would find the source equally awful, but it wouldn't raise my estimation of the film at all.

Of course, the theme is so stupid to begin with it's hard to imagine anyone making a success out of it. Captain America? It's just embarrassing. Can you imagine how idiotic a Captain France or Lieutenant Canada superhero would be? How about a superhero called General Germany or Sergent Soviet Union (that one would actually be badass--he could fight with a hammer in one hand and a sickle in the other).

But honestly, it was the movie. I felt pretty much the same about the Thor premise (a superhero that is literally a god is a retarded premise). But Thor turned out to actually be pretty good. A bit stupid, but it didn't take itself seriously and turned out to be sort of a fun little movie. But Captain America . . . just every single second of it was torture. So incredibly stupid. And that guy, Chris Evans you say, was terrible. He so reminded me of Nicholas Cage in action films. Awful awful awful. Everything about it, including Agent Smith. Why in god's name did his face look like a lollipop anyway?

[Vigo]

Of course, the theme is so stupid to begin with it's hard to imagine anyone making a success out of it. Captain America? It's just embarrassing.

A patriotic, do-goody superhero wearing the colors of our flag and fighting for justice, how could that ever succeed? You might as well call him superma--- oh wait... 




Just as an FYI, Captain America was created during WW2. Sure it may be a bit dated, but as far as the golden age of comics goes, Captain America is about as iconic as it gets, apart form the Sup'.

I do know there is a Captain Canuck in Canada and a Captain Britain in the UK. I don't know much about Capt'n Canuck, but Capt'n Britian draws a lot from Arthurian legend.

I think it is pretty darn common for countries to have at least one "national superhero" 

[Howard_Casto]

Let's take a look shall we?

Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the film, not the series)
Alien Resurrection
Speed
Waterworld
Twister
X-men
 

I like every single movie on that list.

I'm rooting for the guy because his good work is REALLY good, but he's starting to look like the Next George Lucas.... famous for one and only one fantastic thing.

Which fantastic thing would that be?  The entire Star Wars cannon, or Indiana Jones?  Maybe American Graffitti.  Hard to say 

The SWT and that's it.  Indiana Jones was saved by Speilberg's Directing, so Lucas gets little if any credit.  Try watching a Indy film, remove all the sfx great camera shots and focus on just the story.... that bit of "gold" was Lucas's.   Ever seen American Graffitti?  It's one of those terrible 80's style teen comedies set in the 50's.  Excessively overrated.  And if you like any part of the SWU other than the SWT then you have poor taste and that pretty much explains why you are defending him.    Regardless, giving Lucas credit for the entire universe is like giving Roddenberry credit for Star Trek Enterprise.... he has, little if nothing to do with most of the extended universe.

[Howard_Casto]

Really?  You really think his FILMS are good? 

Let's take a look shall we?

Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the film, not the series)
Alien Resurrection
Speed
Waterworld
Twister
X-men

You obviously don't know much about the man.  He had very little (if anything at all) to do with most of the films you mentioned (early script drafts that were thrown out) and you forgot one he did: Toy Story. You're right, he is only known for one good thing...  I am just saying, I expect to enjoy Avengers more because of his involvement. Between Avengers, Cabin in the Woods, and Much ado About Nothing, I have no doubt his movie directing career will be as well received as his TV career was. I only wish The Avengers had more strong female leads (Black Widow, meh), as he obviously shines in that kind of situation (Buffy, River Tam, etc.).

Wrong.  I know way way too much about him.  I'm a hardcore Buffy/Firefly fan.   He had a LOT to do with those films.  In the case of Buffy and Resurrection he wrote the whole damn thing.  He refuses to admit it though (going so far as to actually request that his credits be removed) because he wants to protect his image as some sort of nerdist genius.  On the other hand, Toy Story went really really well, so even though he was one of 6 writers that worked on the script, he takes all the credit he possibly can.  Now don't get me wrong, it's a very smart thing for a writer to selectively publisize himzelf in Hollywood, but what it does is make it look like he's a far better writer than he actually is. 

You talk about his movie career like it's just starting.  He's been doing films for AGES.  He actually started doing tv because he was such a failure at films.  Now he's doing films because he's went full circle and has become a failure at tv.  (Ever seen dollhouse?  BLEH!)

I hope he does do well, but if this were vegas, the odds of him making a good film would be pretty slim.

[Howard_Casto]

Of course, the theme is so stupid to begin with it's hard to imagine anyone making a success out of it. Captain America? It's just embarrassing.

A patriotic, do-goody superhero wearing the colors of our flag and fighting for justice, how could that ever succeed? You might as well call him superma--- oh wait... 




Just as an FYI, Captain America was created during WW2. Sure it may be a bit dated, but as far as the golden age of comics goes, Captain America is about as iconic as it gets, apart form the Sup'.

I do know there is a Captain Canuck in Canada and a Captain Britain in the UK. I don't know much about Capt'n Canuck, but Capt'n Britian draws a lot from Arthurian legend.

I think it is pretty darn common for countries to have at least one "national superhero" 

Please my foreign friends don't get mad, but the reason American superheros are so awesome is because America is awesome (the symbolisim at least). 

You never hear of someone wanting to live the "french dream" or move to canada, the "land of opportunity". 

Vigo is dead on in regards to this point anyway. 

Also the Cap is STILL a fantastic super-hero.  If anything superman is the lame one, what with his brainless boyscout act.  The cap started as wartime propaganda but over the years evolved as a figure that always did the right thing, even if the right thing wasn't the popular opinion at the time.  He often faces up against the goverment and even other superheros to defend "american" morality and rights.  The whole beign frozen for 50 years kind of helps to make him a romantic legend as well.  It also gives him a bit of "I can be slightly corny" leeway as well.  Supes on the other hand has remained virtually unchanged with no explaination.  I like em both, I'm just saying....

You have to remember that characters like CA and SM were invented as symbols to help people get through the darkest times of ww2.  The garish, over the top outfits are part of their symbolism and they made such a lasting impression that even 70+ years later people STILL get mad if you try to monkey with their costumes or make the characters too dark. 

Mind you this has nothing to do with the film, other than the fact that the potential was there.

[SNAAKE]

cpt america movie wasnt THAT bad..

wasnt even bad at all. easily top 10 of the year. personal opinion of course.