XBOX modders caught. Might be facing Prison time if convicted.

[jennifer]

       Ya, now is that such a difficult concept???   

[RayB]

Can we clear the air here and focus on the specific facts?   DMCA law doesn't say "Don't mod stuff you own!". No, it says specifically is meant to "prohibit the circumvention of technical locks and controls on the use of digital content and products."

OK, you may proceed.

http://www.chillingeffects.org/anticircumvention/faq.cgi#QID91

[jennifer]

     And since I'm back [SavannaLion] why is everybody still talking about right/wrong issues? Maybe rather than thumb your nose at the system
we should have a serious conversation about the need or lack therof of mods, how about V.D. Duel layer burners, cracks, keygens, proxys,
[my personal favorite] how about mirrors, seeds, leeches, downloads. what about our rights? How dare they pass laws protecting their copyrights!
     How about torrents, encryption, Pick your poison pirate.

[SavannahLion]

     And since I'm back [SavannaLion] why is everybody still talking about right/wrong issues? Maybe rather than thumb your nose at the system
we should have a serious conversation about the need or lack therof of mods, how about V.D. Duel layer burners, cracks, keygens, proxys,
[my personal favorite] how about mirrors, seeds, leeches, downloads. what about our rights? How dare they pass laws protecting their copyrights!
     How about torrents, encryption, Pick your poison pirate.

I like how you call me a pirate. Get your nomenclatures straight before you start spouting nonsense about random ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. The evils of seeding. Right.

Pirate, what a riot.  If I'm a pirate, what does that make the people of Pirate Bay? Serial rapists and murders? That's just hilarious. Oh wait.. If Captain Crunch was a pirate, what does that make Blackbeard?

Yeah, I'm out. I got my point across but these ---uvulas--- are still clueless. Call me back in when something resembling a decent discussion is met.

[jennifer]

    
   Well then, for what other reason would a mod. be of ANY interest to you?
         And pirate bay? kinda says it all.

[DaveMMR]

the main reason that the sega dreamcast was a failure is because of people like this. Dreamcast came out a few years before the dmca was even heard of,

Actually, I think Sega's bad timing with their "mid-generation" release date, their poor reputation from the Sega CD/32X/Saturn debacles that soured retailers and consumers, and the eventual release of the PS2 which 3rd parties were more keen to work on than "three-strike Sega" led to the DC's early demise.   Piracy did not seem like a primary problem with the DC - despite the ease.

[Malenko]

I just love how in all of dartful's examples an XBOX modder is also heavily armed, a chemist, or a biological engineer.
Just wondering dartful, is everyone who streams media automatically a pirate?

     How about torrents, encryption, Pick your poison pirate.

How about staying on topic in this thread and starting a new one? Do it in P&R so I dont have to see it.

[WhereEaglesDare]

Why the hell are we having members being mean to other members over ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that has nothing to do with them?!  I imagine if I walked into any day in Jennifer's  and Dartful's life I could find several crimes being committed... just like everyone else... 

STOP BEING TOOLS IT WAS CUTE FOR A LITTLE WHILE BUT NOW NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR IT.

[saint]

Yeah, enjoy the debate but keep it polite and civil please. If you want to duke it out ask for entry to the politics and religion forum. Free gloves are given out at the door

Any my contribution: I don't have any modded consoles, but if I do mod them it'll be for one purpose only -- to play backups of software I legally own originals of. My kids are murder on optical media. I hate the number of games that have been ruined by being scratched to death. I do not believe that would make me a pirate.

[jamesjones626]

Yeah, enjoy the debate but keep it polite and civil please. If you want to duke it out ask for entry to the politics and religion forum. Free gloves are given out at the door

Any my contribution: I don't have any modded consoles, but if I do mod them it'll be for one purpose only -- to play backups of software I legally own originals of. My kids are murder on optical media. I hate the number of games that have been ruined by being scratched to death. I do not believe that would make me a pirate.

Thats the exact reason why i copy every dvd i own, I have a 8, 5 and 4 year old and no matter how careful they are with the movies the Muck them up.  Sucks to pay 15 for a new movie just to have it scratched up.  I also rip and encode them so they can watch it on my computer incase i dont want the tv tied up.

[jennifer]

       what about when you put that legit movie in, and right away it says: duplication without consent blah...blah...blah.. do you copy that
page to?  And as for Jennys house ALL my games..jukes..pins.. A triple diget collection may I add, have ORIGINAL BOARDS.
       The music in the jukes? 100% licensed..... my movies? I bought at walmart.
       So then if streaming/riping is the new cool how come nobodys talking about how? The best programs, download sites, virus protection?
Anything?.....

[Bootay]

I think that it is impossible for this thread to stay on topic. LOL

[WhereEaglesDare]

And as for Jennys house...

No drugs, you dont run red lights, you dont steal out of the wishing fountain at the chinese restaurant, never beat your significant other, never stole the lil baby jesus from the nativity scene...  youre an angel I'm sure.

The point is if Malenko wants to mod XBoxes for charity or charge for it or mix them up with his orange juice why do you care?

I recently found out how easyit is to play burned games on a PS1, you do this crazy simple disc swap on almost all the older model PS1 and it will boot up your burned game...  that did not stop playstation from making newer games or consoles, I doubt it effected Sony at all because people that play burned games dont buy games new anyways, they would buy it used.

[Malenko]

       what about when you put that legit movie in, and right away it says: duplication without consent blah...blah...blah.. do you copy that
page to?  And as for Jennys house ALL my games..jukes..pins.. A triple diget collection may I add, have ORIGINAL BOARDS.
       The music in the jukes? 100% licensed..... my movies? I bought at walmart.
       So then if streaming/riping is the new cool how come nobodys talking about how? The best programs, download sites, virus protection?
Anything?.....

Take the time to spell check. I have original boards too. Shopping at walmart isnt really worth bragging about. I probably have more movies (DVDs/HD-DVDs/Blu-Rays) then you do. I dont understand the point of your rant; what do programs, download sites, and lastly virus protection have to do with anything?

Are you actually advocating you never broken any law ever?

[ErikRuud]

... Free gloves are given out at the door

Ooooh.  Let me in then, it's cold here in Chicago and it is only going to get colder.  I need those gloves! 

[atomikbohm]

Saint's right about this thread.  Decorum and civility need to be maintained.  Sorry for the snappiness Dartful.  

Jen, the reality is that anyone who says that they don't ever break the law is either horribly ignorant, flat out lying or a combination of both.  Have you ever bounced a check? Depending on the amount and the state it was written in you could have been subject to penalties more harsh than the ones Matthew Crippen was looking at.  In most cases Prison time and / or being branded a Felon. http://www.ckfraud.org/penalties.html#criminal

I don't think that anyone here was attempting to justify or defend pirating software.  Regardless of if we feel that the laws are just, we all / most understand that having software that you didn't pay for is illegal and could land your butt in a world of hurt.

This thread started out as a DISCUSSION about modding X-boxs.  We should either continue on that course in this thread or start a new one.  Maybe call it "I want to argue with someone on the internet".   (the last comment wasn't was directed at anyone everyone in particular)

[WhereEaglesDare]

something about fighting with some one on the internet and winning the special olympics

[Mikezilla]

... Free gloves are given out at the door

Ooooh.  Let me in then, it's cold here in Chicago and it is only going to get colder.  I need those gloves! 

I think saint meant boxing gloves. 

[ErikRuud]

They will still keep my hands warm!

Man    Is this the right room for an argument?
Mr Vibrating    I've told you once.
Man    No you haven't.
Mr Vibrating    Yes I have.
Man    When?
Mr Vibrating    Just now!
Man    No you didn't.
Mr Vibrating    Yes I did!
Man    Didn't.
...

[Dartful Dodger]

Just wondering dartful, is everyone who streams media automatically a pirate?

Just wondering Malenko, is an illegally modded Xbox the only way to stream media?

[ChadTower]

Did that guy just argue with a vibrator?

[atomikbohm]

Did that guy just argue with a vibrator?

.... I must ... Stay on topic ... Stay on topic ...

[ErikRuud]

Did that guy just argue with a vibrator?

Chad, I am so disappointed in you. 

And now for something completely different...

[ChadTower]

Missed reference?

I can't google "mr vibrator" from where I am sitting.

[ErikRuud]

Monty Python - The Argument Sketch.

[ChadTower]

I'll have to check it out another time.   

[WhereEaglesDare]

Vague Monty Python references will get you everywhere here.

[yotsuya]

I saw Eric Idle do the Arguement Sketch live. Great stuff.

[Benevolance]

By himself?

[RayB]

By himself?

Yes he didn't!

[ErikRuud]

By himself?

Yes he didn't!

[Malenko]

Just wondering dartful, is everyone who streams media automatically a pirate?

Just wondering Malenko, is an illegally modded Xbox the only way to stream media?

My buddy wanted another device to stream to and instead of buying/building a new computer he got a used xbox; because I modded it for his media streaming he is automatically a pirate according to you.

I can pretty confidently say Eugene plays bootleg movies/music on his illegally modded Xbox.

And I can even more confidently say that you are wrong, as usual.

[Cakemeister]

I captioned this picture in honor of this thread:

[Ed_McCarron]

Just wondering dartful, is everyone who streams media automatically a pirate?

Just wondering Malenko, is an illegally modded Xbox the only way to stream media?

Nope.  But it used to be one of the cheapest.

[Kevin Mullins]

Nope.  But it used to be one of the cheapest.

Used to be?
Heck I have three and they were all free. 

[WhereEaglesDare]

i heard that M$ will "black list" your 360 if you mod it...  whats that all about?  Does that include if you chip it?

What are the benefits of using a modded 360, I dont have a 360, but they are dropping in price like crazy and I'm thinking of getting one.

[jennifer]

           Interesting question.....     

[RayB]

I modded my PS2 to be able to run games off a hard drive. That was really convenient. I could keep my games all stored away and not mess with discs. Games loaded content faster and some games like the GTA series loaded stuff in-game faster, which resulted in less "pop up" graphics. (that's when you're driving around in a game and you see buildings and stuff just suddenly appear because the system can't keep up with how fast you're driving)

I'd like the same convenience with my 360, but I haven't bothered looking into it.

[jennifer]

i heard that M$ will "black list" your 360 if you mod it...  whats that all about?  Does that include if you chip it?

      yes,  they will, violation of terms of agreement, you will not be allowed to play live. It is possible to patch the firmware however, as for
the chip, I dont know.

[gnateye]

the main reason that the sega dreamcast was a failure is because of people like this. Dreamcast came out a few years before the dmca was even heard of, and almost as soon as it was released, chips were out for it. half the turds back then that i knew who owned one, wouldnt ever think of actually buying a game for it.

i have to say a big "NOT" to this one.

the dreamcast died a quick death yes, but piracy was a side effect, not a cause, and a chip was NEVER needed to play any unsigned disc in the dreamcast, any old cdr would play in it...

by the time all homebrew apps and the pirate ISO sites popped up, the dreamcast was gone.dead.