XBOX modders caught. Might be facing Prison time if convicted.

[Malenko]

That mean Im not like that guy, or that its not 100% of the time?

It means you're not selling a modding service and thus not a "guy like this".

I used to charge for the mod, but never sold games. I only changed to doing it for friends because I'm too afraid of someone saying I broke their 360.

[WhereEaglesDare]

A modded Xbox is used for playing illegal games. Every other excuse is just that, an excuse.
What he did was illegal, but unless he's modding the XBox to use in a nuclear missile, this case doesn't require Homeland Security.

So by the same logic, Tobacco Water Pipes should be illegal because you can put weed in them.  Swisher Sweets also should be illegal.

Why not just outlaw CD Burners?  The only reason you would ever burn a CD is to pirate software, right?  Everything else is just an excuse!

[SavannahLion]

Sadly, PBJ and Artful are both missing the point. It's not about roms or illegal copies. It's about buying a product (the 360) and having the choice to do what you damn well please with it. If I want to shell out $300+ and turn my 360 into a functioning toilet, a welder, and a ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?--- simulator that just happens to play games, then so be it.

Everyone here saw MS's position on their Kinect and how they backpedaled. Look at how Sony ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- things up with their PS3 and the beowulf clusters.

There are perfectly legitimate reasons for modding consoles. If a bunch of greedy fat cats and their overly eager lackey want to sit there and tell me that I can't mod my console but its perfectly acceptable for them to do it. Well, all I have to say is let the world wide grand "---fudgesicle--- you" commence.

[Kevin Mullins]

A modded Xbox is used for playing illegal games. Every other excuse is just that, an excuse.

Wrong answer.  My XBOX has never seen a game since I've owned it.  Period.  Legal or otherwise.  I modded it to use with XBMC as a cheap media player.

Bingo !!
My modded XBOX is used to stream movies and music from our pc's to the tv...sometimes surf Youtube for kicks....I don't even play games on it and it has "all the bells and whistles".
I have two more I plan to do for the exact same reason in two other rooms.

Now anything XBOX360 related, I could care less. (since I don't play the games anyways)

[ChadTower]

Wrong answer.  My XBOX has never seen a game since I've owned it.  Period.  Legal or otherwise.  I modded it to use with XBMC as a cheap media player.

Pirated movies.  Whatever.   

[saint]

Wrong answer.  My XBOX has never seen a game since I've owned it.  Period.  Legal or otherwise.  I modded it to use with XBMC as a cheap media player.

Pirated movies.  Whatever.   

I have several hundred movies on my media server. Not a single one is pirated. They are all ripped from my original and safely kept DVDs. My originals are safe from the destruction my kids heap upon media, and movies can be accessed anywhere in the house there's a network connection. I don't use a modded console for that, but I considered it.

Not everyone is a pirate...

 

[Vanguard]

cough...Dragon*Con..cough...

[jennifer]

          Kids will always try to make the paddles bigger, tear it down and "fix" it, and good, the few that eventually figger it out are the ones that
 are smart enough to know the legal/moral  consequences of there actions. This guy [as a adult]  had  the gonads to actually charge for his
 services, and gets caught.... I just can"t understand why.

[ark_ader]

Wrong answer.  My XBOX has never seen a game since I've owned it.  Period.  Legal or otherwise.  I modded it to use with XBMC as a cheap media player.

Pirated movies.  Whatever.   

I have several hundred movies on my media server. Not a single one is pirated. They are all ripped from my original and safely kept DVDs. My originals are safe from the destruction my kids heap upon media, and movies can be accessed anywhere in the house there's a network connection. I don't use a modded console for that, but I considered it.

Not everyone is a pirate...

 

+1

[SavannahLion]

They are all ripped from my original and safely kept DVDs.

Which was illegal under the DMCA.

 

And where are your wings?

[saint]

cough...Dragon*Con..cough...

Heh.

[saint]

They are all ripped from my original and safely kept DVDs.

Which was illegal under the DMCA.

 

Debatable, but not the same thing as piracy by any means.

[jennifer]

          Xbox modding was the thread, after reading it [again] without getting political, it seems msnbc, a investor of microsoft is the spearhead,
in California, in L.A. piracy is a problem but not in this case so it seems. Given the red death of a older xbox why even bother with a mod?
Go buy a new one and hack it up, besides the cost, service plan gone [tampering] what do you have in the end anyway. The judge even says WTF.
          As for the the rest of this anti/pirate, I am truly amused.... Oh yes you have pleased the queen!

[saint]

          As for the the rest of this anti/pirate, I am truly amused.... Oh yes you have pleased the queen!

Delusions of grandeur do not make one a queen.

[ChadTower]

Not everyone is a pirate...

"Not everyone" isn't much of a sample size.  The vast majority of modders are pirates.  We've all been around long enough to know this.  Jim actually hit it on the head earlier - people need to accept the moral implications of their actions and stop rationalizing.  Wanting it, and being able to get it, doesn't make it more right.  Do it and accept what it means or don't do it.

And before anyone asks, yes, I've ripped a couple of rented DVDs in my day.  It doesn't bother me.  I don't have a MAME machine because as a software developer the idea of pirated ROMs does bother me.  I have several modded Xboxes to watch those movies on but have no pirated Xbox games.

[Malenko]

It doesn't bother me.  I don't have a MAME machine because as a software developer the idea of pirated ROMs does bother me. 

thought it was because you couldnt even load the ---smurfing--- MDF?

[Malenko]

He couldn't fit it in next to the over 100 Xboxes you've hacked for close personal friends and family.

OMG You can play back ups on a red ring kit?!!???!?111?!!1?

cause that's what Ive done over 100 of.

[WhereEaglesDare]

Fight Fight Fight Fight

[Malenko]

link me up where I posted that Ive modded 100s of xbox360s

[Malenko]

 

Better go revise that post history.

Incase you guys dont wanna search, like jim doesnt, this is the thread and post hes talking about. Which was a RRoD thread, and had nothing to do with firmware flashing

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=106880.40

oh I completely agree its better to have the right amount. but with 360s its better to err on the side of caution; I've fixed well over 100 xbox 360s.

[Malenko]

Where you can clearly see that I stated that I did hundreds of them. The post your citing is out of context, I was speaking about my modding my OWN systems. By "still do" I meant updating my consoles. That entire thread was about owning a soldering iron despite the ability to softmod consoles.

So again, please link to my post where I said I modded hundreds of consoles.

[jennifer]

I could use a couple hundred modded consules for my own personal use. How much would you charge?

[Malenko]

Ask snaaake?

[ChadTower]

thought it was because you couldnt even load the ---smurfing--- MDF?

In a debate on the general concept Malenko chooses to go straight to defending only himself and resorts to tired old personal attacks from outside of context.

How many think he protests just a bit too much?

[Malenko]

And how many people think Chad is an expert in far too many feilds?

Is there anything you don't do other than build MAME cabs?


I chose to defend only me because Jim attacked only me. The guy on trial didn't do anything wrong and I don't forsee him getting in any trouble, but ultimately it's not up to me to decide.

[ark_ader]

Not everyone is a pirate...

"Not everyone" isn't much of a sample size.  The vast majority of modders are pirates.  We've all been around long enough to know this.  Jim actually hit it on the head earlier - people need to accept the moral implications of their actions and stop rationalizing.  Wanting it, and being able to get it, doesn't make it more right.  Do it and accept what it means or don't do it.

And before anyone asks, yes, I've ripped a couple of rented DVDs in my day.  It doesn't bother me.  I don't have a MAME machine because as a software developer the idea of pirated ROMs does bother me.  I have several modded Xboxes to watch those movies on but have no pirated Xbox games.

You post stating that the vast majority of modders are pirates, yet you say that pirated roms bothers you, even though you have modded several xboxes.

That doesn't make any sense.  Does it?  Especially when you "obtained" BAED roms to play in your modded xboxes. 

Like you I buy all my commercial Xbox games.  Retired 8/16 bit console games are fair play in my book, for personal use.

I'm sure you have quite a [legitimate] collection, but I do not believe you do not have a Mame library in your PC/Xbox, whatever, regardless of your [unbelievable] self-imposed professional constraints.

[WhereEaglesDare]

Lets all go to the lobby... and get ourselves a snack!

[ChadTower]

That doesn't make any sense.  Does it?  Especially when you "obtained" BAED roms to play in your modded xboxes.  

Heh, I did that.  I wanted to see if the emulators worked well enough so my kids could play the NES SMB games without hassling with a blinky NES.  It doesn't follow the letter of the law but yes, I own about 10 copies of SMB and 5 each of SMB2/3, so it does follow the spirit.  The emulator isn't fast enough so we probably played that disc 3 times.

Retired 8/16 bit console games are fair play in my book, for personal use.

They are sold for use on the Wii Virtual Console.  That makes the software very much still revenue generating intellectual property.

I'm sure you have quite a [legitimate] collection, but I do not believe you do not have a Mame library in your PC/Xbox, whatever, regardless of your [unbelievable] self-imposed professional constraints.

You can believe what you want.  I only own one raster vid and really don't have much interest in them.  My whole collection, other than a Berzerk/Frenzy, is Atari vectors and pins.  I plan on eventually building a couple VectorMAME cabs and I'll deal with the morality of it when the time comes.  What I won't do is march around pretending I didn't pirate the games.  That's my whole point.  Every person can choose what they do but if one isn't honest with everybody else at least that person should be honest with himself.

Lets all go to the lobby... and get ourselves a snack!

[language warning]

[gnateye]

Wrong answer.  My XBOX has never seen a game since I've owned it.  Period.  Legal or otherwise.  I modded it to use with XBMC as a cheap media player.

Pirated movies.  Whatever.   

I have several hundred movies on my media server. Not a single one is pirated. They are all ripped from my original and safely kept DVDs. My originals are safe from the destruction my kids heap upon media, and movies can be accessed anywhere in the house there's a network connection. I don't use a modded console for that, but I considered it.

Not everyone is a pirate...

+1

+2, i have 3 modded original Xboxes that just run XMBC, to play my legally owned and ripped music and movies, anywhere in my house. its much cheaper to buy a 20$ xbox (or three) and do a softmod, then to buy a HTPC or any of the set top boxes floating around,

but,

i agree the heart of the matter is whether we as product OWNERS can do whatever we want to our "purchased products". we are modders and tinkerers, we are curious about how things work and how they can be made better, or used more to our personal needs.

the double standard of "certain people are allowed to mod and the rest not. or heads of industry can pirate music and movies and not get in trouble the rest of us can't", needs to stop. arrest people for pirating, not for making things that can be used for pirating.... we didn't kill all ship builders to end piracy on the 7 seas, we went after pirates, and made the world a different place, where pirates were not effective or needed...


i've ranted enough for today that's just my 2 cents and it wont change anyones ideas or opinions but i thought we needed another vote for modded non-pirate xboxes

[Malenko]

And before anyone asks, yes, I've ripped a couple of rented DVDs in my day.  It doesn't bother me.  I don't have a MAME machine because as a software developer the idea of pirated ROMs does bother me.  I have several modded Xboxes to watch those movies on but have no pirated Xbox games.

I, erm, don't usually bother to convert them myself.  Y'argh.

I guess if you made movies only then would you not steal them.

[Dartful Dodger]

Sadly, PBJ and Artful are both missing the point. It's not about roms or illegal copies. It's about buying a product (the 360) and having the choice to do what you damn well please with it.

It's illegal to modify a semi-automatic rifle. It's even illegal to modify sinus congestion medicine.


As far as those of you who are claiming you never played illegal video games on your modified Xbox's, that's as believable as Clinton claiming he didn't inhale when he smoked Marijuana.

[Vanguard]

I'm glad someone brought guns into this discussion.

Prosecuting this guy for modding xbox's is like prosecuting a gun dealer for bank robber after a gun he sold is used to rob a bank.

[RonnieC312]

were are all going to jail

LOL

[Dartful Dodger]

See, even Vanguard's understands that people who want illegal work done on a product so they can use that product for illegal reasons.

[Vanguard]

See, even Vanguard's understands that people who want illegal work done on a product so they can use that product for illegal reasons.

I don't think Dartful understands or can write...English.

[SavannahLion]

See, even Vanguard's understands that people who want illegal work done on a product so they can use that product for illegal reasons.

I don't think Dartful understands or can write...English.

I think that's what the DMCA authors are counting on.

[Dartful Dodger]

I don't think Dartful understands or can write...English.

I understand that this isn't P&R.

Maybe I needed to explain my post so the non-Americans on this board could understand what I've said.

I used two examples to prove my point about modifying products. One that was obvious followed by one that wasn't.

Sinus cold medicine is a product used to help and heal, but it can easily be modified into America's most addictive and deadliest narcotic.

[Vanguard]

I don't think Dartful understands or can write...English.

I understand that this isn't P&R.

Maybe I needed to explain my post so the non-Americans on this board could understand what I've said.

I used two examples to prove my point about modifying products. One that was obvious followed by one that wasn't.

Sinus cold medicine is a product used to help and heal, but it can easily be modified into America's most addictive and deadliest narcotic.

Ah, I see.   So you believe that gun dealers should go to jail for the crimes criminals commit with their guns.  Got it.

[Dartful Dodger]

See, even Vanguard's understands that people who want illegal work done on a product so they can use that product for illegal reasons.

[atomikbohm]

Ah, I see.   So you believe that gun dealers should go to jail for the crimes criminals commit with their guns.  Got it.

See, even Vanguard's understands that people who want illegal work done on a product so they can use that product for illegal reasons.

Dartful Dodger, I have 2 problems with your last comment. 

1) Your comment could be seen as belittling to Vanguard, if that was your intent send it in a PM I don't want to read it.
2) Regarding your reasoning ... wha??? read the the quotes above and explain to me how you arrived at your conclusion.