How to forget someone? Emergency!!!

[newman117]

Hello.Well I know this isn't the forum for that but hell... Ok I've been lurking around this site since March and I love it. Anyway I was building my arcade machine and I met a girl. I got caught up in that and I forgot my build and I forgot everything else! I fell in love with this girl... everything was fine. There was a Guns N' Roses concert coming up and I invited her... it was fine until some started saying stuff about me and she believed him! He said that I said that she was a very horny girl (yeah... I know) and I told her don't believe the lies people tell but she didn't trust me. Anyways as time went by I told her that I was going to prove my innocence. So school was out and May came and she got a boyfriend and call me a crybaby and all but... yeah I cried alot. So graduation day came and I invited her and we were alone in a porch sitting down and we were looking at each others eyes but didn't kiss cause she told me she had a boyfriend and then she left. So later I called her and she said "Why didn't you kiss me?" I was like confused.She told me she believed me about me being innocent about the rumors that someone was spreading. Later we stopped talking. Then she called me one day and started talking again and she told me she wasn't going to leave her boyfriend cause she loved him very much. Then she called me one day and asked me if I could go with her and spent the day with her. That day I kissed her and she kissed me even though she had a boyfriend. Yeah!!! What an accomplishment!! Sorry hehe... anyways that happened one month ago. After i kissed her she told her boyfriend she needed time to think. And I kept talking to her. Until one day I asked her out and she said yes. So we were eating and one friend(girl) called me and she got very jealous and very mad she even started screaming.She left that place. And when I got home I called her and she told me she knew who I was that I was a liar and that she didn't trust me anymore. Anyway that happened right around June 20th. I haven't talked to her in a long time. And she keeps popping in my head and I really want to forget her. Any help? I know this isn't the forum for whiny guys like me so I'll probably get flamed... please guys be supportive... thanks  

[jimmy2x2x]

Occupy yourself, stay busy - too busy!

Start a project page for your cab on this forum, start discussing your plans, ask for opinions and advice

She will be on your mind for a while, and it doesn't sound like she is coming back to you any time soon.  So stay focused on the important things in your life, have a busy schedule outside of your commitments, the memory will fade in time.

[Ond]

I agree with jimmy2x2x keeping busy is good,  I'm sure you'll hear advice from various knobs like "just move on, grow a pair, be a man etc etc, ignore it it's bollocks as advice.

Here's a practical idea that will help you move on. (OND's 3 Step Method to get over the chick )  It worked for me (I won't say how many years ago  ). 

Step 1.  Admit to yourself honestly she's outta your life for good  DO NOT PROCEED TO STEP 2 UNTIL YOU"VE DONE THIS.

Step 2.  Keep a diary, just a notebook will do, every day write something in it about how you feel.  If you feel miserable and miss her write it down. This diary is for NO ONE but yourself to read so it's OK to pour all your self pity into it.  Here's why IT WORKS, when you feel good about something write it down too, every now and then read through everything from start to finish.  Even after only a few weeks you should be able to see yourself getting over her just by reading your own words. 

Step 3. When the time is right and you have 'moved on' and realised you don't need her, burn the diary. (this step is important and kinda cathartic in it's own right).

You can do it, everyone goes through loss in some way or another.  When you've done it tell someone else how you did it.

[shateredsoul]

hmm it's hard to tell how old ya are, but siince you just finished school I'd assume young since you mention school.

It matters because when you're young every girl you meet seems to be that girl, I had a girl I couldn't forget about and thought about her even as I dated other girls.  But part of what helped me get over it was realizing that it was fine if I thought about her.. I didn't need to stress about that or spend time trying not to think about her (that makes it worse). I would suggest cutting off the contact completely. This girl doesn't seem too good for yah.  If she broke up with you but she was a good person, laid back, nice, fun then I could see why you'd want to keep hanging out to see if things spark up again.  That lust and excitement you can get with other girls, but it's hard to find someone who gets you and doesn't overreact. count your blessing move on.

I agree with the other guys though, but I would add to not play video games. Well, at least not alone.  That'll just give you time to think about her! Social things work best. Exercise, hanging out, going out to play pool, beaches (if any are nearby), call up other girls and just hang out as friends, take some time to clean yourself up (depending on what type of girl you like.. your getting older, getting a better look will get you to meet more girls.  Well that's what my friend told me, but then he started a Spanish rockband and now he's back to wearing jeans and tshirts.  hah!).

This sort of reminds me of my brother.  He dated my sister in law (always a bad idea) and he would do anything for her, she would tell him come over, he would. She would do dumb jokes, he would play along. If I dated someone that was at my beck and call.. i'd lose interest.

but man, she screamed at you for no reason. Imagine if you dated for a while and got serious? How's she going to react when you guys are under real stress?

[Blanka]

Occupy yourself, stay busy - too busy!

<Sentimental chick movie modus>

Work hard, that'll save you.
Only work will see you through this.

 
                   
Don't mind him.
he's just a guy who's lost his wife.

 
                   
What I think we really need is ...
change.

 
                   
Good idea. Take a few weeks off.
take Jonah fishing.

 
                   
No, real change.
A new city.

 
                   
Some place where I don't think
of Maggie at every corner.

 
                   
Where are you gonna go?

 
                   
I was thinking about Seattle.

</sentimental chick movie modus>

He has a point though

[solidteezme]

She left you once over rumours, and again because another girl called you.

She sounds kinda pathetic.

I have had girlfriends like this before, and trust me they don't change.

The next problem that might occour (speaking from experiance) You find someone else and she will get jelous and want you back then split you up with the next girl, if your find someone else dont even talk to the girl.

[danny_galaga]

Dunno, I would start by making my first post to an arcade forum a little more relevant, and then go from there...

[DaOld Man]

First of all, dump the girl. Dont let her dump you. She is a game player and doesnt love you. Your love is being wasted on her.

Second, move on. Finish the cabinet. keep talking to other girls, trust me, you will find one who wants you and not games.

If she pops in your head, walk to bathroom, look in mirror, slap yourself. If this happens again, slap your self harder.

If you show respect for yourself, she will begin to respect you. But dont fall for her tricks again, let her boyfriend have her, you have better things to spend your time on. Dont be mean to her though, cause this aint cool. Be nice to her, but just turn off the love and the interest for her.

Now, on to the arcade cabinet.. what you got in mind man?

[CheffoJeffo]

Did I read correctly -- you answered a call from a girl while on a date in a restaurant ?

[drventure]

Dunno, I would start by making my first post to an arcade forum a little more relevant, and then go from there...

 

[Malenko]

Did I read correctly -- you answered a call from a girl while on a date in a restaurant ?

+1

ummm you cant ever make yourself forget, memories fade in time if you let them. I'd suggest heavy drinking and recreational drugs. Or just go for another chick. You lose your Vcard to her or something? Your post kinda makes you sound like a chick, you never expressly stated that youre a dude, so in my head this is a trajic lesbian high school love gone awry.

[RonnieC312]

Sleep with her best friend and/or sister..... 

Thats what I would do i PROMISE you will feel better



 

[newman117]

First of all, dump the girl. Dont let her dump you. She is a game player and doesnt love you. Your love is being wasted on her.

Second, move on. Finish the cabinet. keep talking to other girls, trust me, you will find one who wants you and not games.

If she pops in your head, walk to bathroom, look in mirror, slap yourself. If this happens again, slap your self harder.

If you show respect for yourself, she will begin to respect you. But dont fall for her tricks again, let her boyfriend have her, you have better things to spend your time on. Dont be mean to her though, cause this aint cool. Be nice to her, but just turn off the love and the interest for her.

Now, on to the arcade cabinet.. what you got in mind man?

 
I was building a lusid based cabinet, I have it sitting on my porch. Hahahahahaha wow you guys are cool! Lol no it ain't a lesbian thing... I'm a guy. And yeah I was stupid answering that call while on a date.

[hyiu]

I think its ok to answer calls on a date, even if the other end is a female friend.
but do make it brief. 
There needs to be some trust in a relationship.
just because I am in a relationship, does not mean that from now on, all my friends are male.

as for how to forget someone... I guess there's no easy way.  let time do its work.

but keep yourself busy is a good idea.
I prefer doing something that makes u feel good / success...

it could be concentrate on work, and get better pay / more $$ / promotion...

building a cab or some other hobby projects..

another thing I like to do when I have time is self-improvement.
it could be learn some new skills...
or listen to some motivation speeches...
or pick a sport and get decent with it...
get to know some new friends...

its life that there's bound to be some up time, and some down time...
just remember to keep your head up, and get thru it...
live your life, and be better than before...

[CheffoJeffo]

I think its ok to answer calls on a date, even if the other end is a female friend. but do make it brief. 

Actually, it's rather rude to answer the phone in a restaurant and really rude to answer the phone on a date.

[newman117]

I think its ok to answer calls on a date, even if the other end is a female friend. but do make it brief. 

Actually, it's rather rude to answer the phone in a restaurant and really rude to answer the phone on a date.

Yeah but isn't it rather rude NOT to answer the phone?

[CheffoJeffo]

No -- that's why God invented VoiceMail.

I miss the days when few people had cellphones and, because we were a minority, were more conscious of our manners.

[hyiu]

I guess it depends on the situation...

when you're in the middle of a show / movie / meal...
or when you're in the middle of something "intense"... lol..
of course leave it...

but normally, I don't think its rude.
just tell her "excuse  me", and briefly answer the phone.
sometimes, its something important...

but then of course, if on every date, you are interrupted by like 20 calls...
then forget it...
I'm talking about just once in a while...

in general, just be considerate....

[LLUncoolJ]

I'm one rude MF, because I answer my cell about 10% of the time.

Obviously this cat is pretty young. I quit giving a ---fudgesicle--- around 25. Then got married and had a couple of kids...now I'm really indifferent. I'll probably start caring about what chicks think in about 10 years when my daughter is a teenager. Until then, I'll sit back and enjoy the non-drama.

[CCM]

I think its ok to answer calls on a date, even if the other end is a female friend. but do make it brief. 

Actually, it's rather rude to answer the phone in a restaurant and really rude to answer the phone on a date.

+100000000


If your on a date, especially with a new or newer girl, don't be a dipshit and answer the phone.  How important do you think you are?  Turn your phone off for a few hours while you are on the the date!!  Sheesh...  and don't even get me started about the --bags of cream-filled twinkies-- that answer their phones at the movies!

I I'll probably start caring about what chicks think in about 10 years when my daughter is a teenager. Until then, I'll sit back and enjoy the non-drama.

More accurately you will be caring about what the dudes that want to date your daughter are thinking.

[Ond]

I think its ok to answer calls on a date, even if the other end is a female friend. but do make it brief. 

Actually, it's rather rude to answer the phone in a restaurant and really rude to answer the phone on a date.

+100000000


If your on a date, especially with a new or newer girl, don't be a dipshit and answer the phone.  How important do you think you are?  Turn your phone off for a few hours while you are on the the date!!  Sheesh...  and don't even get me started about the --bags of cream-filled twinkies-- that answer their phones at the movies!

+100000001  I missed the bit about the phone from the OP.  Sheesh 

[DaOld Man]

Yeah, but she freaked out because he got a call.
I'll give you that it aint nice to interrupt the date by taking a phone call, but.. she has dated another guy when this guy thought he had a chance, and she freaked out from the phone call and made a scene, which tells me the young lady has problems, or she might just be practicing the art of bee-atching

[newman117]

Yeah, but she freaked out because he got a call.
I'll give you that it aint nice to interrupt the date by taking a phone call, but.. she has dated another guy when this guy thought he had a chance, and she freaked out from the phone call and made a scene, which tells me the young lady has problems, or she might just be practicing the art of bee-atching

Now that's a guy who gets it! Thank you man!!  She made one hell of a scene too! There were other people eating and she started screaming and I tried calming but that worked a lil bit till she called her parents and left...

[DaOld Man]

Been there man.. (They dont call me DaOld Man for nothing).
Move on, there are thousands of fish in the sea..
You will get over her, and someday you will laugh and wonder how you ever fell for this girl who is now an uppity old fat Bee-Atch.
(Trust me, the last hyphenated word is the only thing that dont change on the ones who are cursed by this disposition.)
But be nice about it!

Now, on to the arcade... got any pictures?

[newman117]

Been there man.. (They dont call me DaOld Man for nothing).
Move on, there are thousands of fish in the sea..
You will get over her, and someday you will laugh and wonder how you ever fell for this girl who is now an uppity old fat Bee-Atch.
(Trust me, the last hyphenated word is the only thing that dont change on the ones who are cursed by this disposition.)
But be nice about it!

Now, on to the arcade... got any pictures?

   
Thanks! And that's a yes on the pics... I finally layed a hand today on the cab it was sitting there on the porch gathering dust and mold. The base got damaged a little bit and the cab doesn't seem to have stability cause it shakes a little... lemme see if I can get some pics now

[Ond]

Move on, there are thousands of fish in the sea..

...yeah but who wants a fish?, sorry I couldn't resist,  I used to say that years ago when people tossed me that.  Fine, so the phone call revealed her true nature
I still think 101 on how to make a better impression, (which BTW = getting the girl for those of you who don't get it) includes "make the girl you are with at THAT moment the focus of your attention".  I'd even say to her "I'm going to turn this off now so no one will interupt us"

[opt2not]

So school was out and May came and she got a boyfriend and call me a crybaby and all but... yeah I cried alot.

You know, a lot of people, both men and women have a hard time admitting this. I commend you for having the courage in doing so, that takes guts 

So graduation day came and I invited her and we were alone in a porch sitting down and we were looking at each others eyes but didn't kiss cause she told me she had a boyfriend and then she left. So later I called her and she said "Why didn't you kiss me?" I was like confused.

Right there, that should have been a sign to hit the eject button. Seriously man, as you grow older you'll find that the women who are the least-crazy are the ones that are keepers. The rest are just drama-filled wastes of time. Every woman you meet is nuts, it's their nature. They're emotional, irrational and  rely on us to be their rock. It's not sexist, it's just social-science.
You just gotta find the girl that is the least crazy out of the bunch, the one who carries the least amount of drama with her. Those are the good ones.

She told me she believed me about me being innocent about the rumors that someone was spreading. Later we stopped talking. Then she called me one day and started talking again and she told me she wasn't going to leave her boyfriend cause she loved him very much. Then she called me one day and asked me if I could go with her and spent the day with her. That day I kissed her and she kissed me even though she had a boyfriend. Yeah!!! What an accomplishment!! Sorry hehe...

What are you thinking man?!  Never "cut another man's grass", that's just going to lead to trouble.  What if her bf is the jealous nut-case type? If this was a girl you wanted to "be with" for a while, do you really want to tell people the story that you "stole" her from another guy, completely clueless that she intended on betraying him? I'm sorry, but that's ---meecrob----bag territory. Don't be so proud of yourself for this, it is definitely not an accomplishment.

anyways that happened one month ago. After i kissed her she told her boyfriend she needed time to think. And I kept talking to her. Until one day I asked her out and she said yes. So we were eating and one friend(girl) called me and she got very jealous and very mad she even started screaming.She left that place. And when I got home I called her and she told me she knew who I was that I was a liar and that she didn't trust me anymore. Anyway that happened right around June 20th. I haven't talked to her in a long time. And she keeps popping in my head and I really want to forget her. Any help? I know this isn't the forum for whiny guys like me so I'll probably get flamed... please guys be supportive... thanks 

- Keep busy like the others say.  That's what men do...we distract ourselves from the drama/emotional responses with some good ol' fashioned hard work. That's old-school. It's therapeutic, as well as productive!
- Surround yourself with stuff that you enjoy, do things you can "complete" (an arcade cabinet is a good one). This'll help keep you concentrated on something, as well as build your self-confidence. Men need more accomplishments to help us feel secure with ourselves. It sounds to me that you could use more confidence if you're still hung-up on this one chick...there are better girls out there...

It's like I always say, "be a shotgun, not a sniper rifle". You know what I mean right?  I shotgun spreads, hitting multiple targets. A sniper rifle concentrates on one target at a time. Date a bunch, get a comparative view of the catalog...don't get hung up on one target!

- Don't completely fill your head worrying about girls/sex. That'll come naturally if you let it. Concentrate on yourself, figure out who you are, what you want. I mean, you just graduated...you have so much time, and so much experiences coming your way. Do you really want to waste all your efforts on chicks?
- Lay off the pot/alcohol...this feels great temporarily, but it doesn't help you in the long run. It'll also alienate you from the world, which is the opposite of what you need...you don't wanna be in that head-space, believe me. Don't lock yourself away, drowning yourself in a bottle, or smoking yourself dumb...get out there! Which brings me to my next point:
- Go on a trip!  Even if it's to another city, or the next state (I'm assuming you're American)...just get away, get a change of scenery, even if it's just for a weekend. Going away really gives you perspective on things, and shows you how small everything really is.

I hope this helps in anyway.
Good luck.

[hyiu]

in real life, I don't turn off my phone when I'm dating my gf...

I do put it on silence / vibrate when I'm in a show / movie / dinner / ... etc.
and will check msg promptly afterwards.

but when I'm just spending time with her, but not anything too important, and the phone rings (which happens just sometimes... not often at all...)  I will answer if its a close friend / family / work...

it is to show her that I do have a life.... but I will not just leave her and chit/chat away...
I will make it brief...
to me, this is important... it is to show that:
- as much as she is important, we both have a life, and can have our own friends.
- I'm not hiding things / people from her... I think that shows some level of trust.
- in a minor way, it also shows that I have a life, and she is not the one and only thing in my life, which give me leverage, makes me a little more "attractive"...

if you turn off your phone when you are with your girl friend...
so one day you married her, are you going to turn off your phone whenever you are with her ??
if you do, then you'll be shutting off communications most of your time...
if not, does that mean she's no longer important to you ??
that's a lose / lose situation I don't want to start....

girls are naturally better in these things...
it took me a long time to get a slight understanding of it...
you don't really want to give them any excuses to start any drama....
or they will make it bigger and bigger each time... rip you apart, and b!tch u around....

as I said before, it depends on the situation...
but be true to yourself...
and let me put it this way... when I'm with her...
if her phone rings, I have no trouble letting her answer the phone, and let her take care of her business...

I myself use this policy.... (if she does to me what I do to her.... how would I feel ??)
if I'm ok with it, then in general, its a go ahead...
(of course, guys and girls are never really the same...)
so, at times, us guys needs to be a gentleman... and give some leeway...

but if you treat your girl too nice and bending over backwards in the very beginning, she will think this is normal, and for the rest of your life, you'll be bending over backward for her...
(I did that once, and will never do it again...)

you need to show your confidence, and be the alpha male that leads her...
(of course... within reasons, not in any way of abuse...)
if you do it right, she will gladly follow ur lead...

[CCM]

in real life, I don't turn off my phone when I'm dating my gf...

I do put it on silence / vibrate when I'm in a show / movie / dinner / ... etc.
and will check msg promptly afterwards.

but when I'm just spending time with her, but not anything too important, and the phone rings (which happens just sometimes... not often at all...)  I will answer if its a close friend / family / work...

it is to show her that I do have a life.... but I will not just leave her and chit/chat away...
I will make it brief...
to me, this is important... it is to show that:
- as much as she is important, we both have a life, and can have our own friends.
- I'm not hiding things / people from her... I think that shows some level of trust.
- in a minor way, it also shows that I have a life, and she is not the one and only thing in my life, which give me leverage, makes me a little more "attractive"...

if you turn off your phone when you are with your girl friend...
so one day you married her, are you going to turn off your phone whenever you are with her ??
if you do, then you'll be shutting off communications most of your time...
if not, does that mean she's no longer important to you ??
that's a lose / lose situation I don't want to start....

girls are naturally better in these things...
it took me a long time to get a slight understanding of it...
you don't really want to give them any excuses to start any drama....
or they will make it bigger and bigger each time... rip you apart, and b!tch u around....

as I said before, it depends on the situation...
but be true to yourself...
and let me put it this way... when I'm with her...
if her phone rings, I have no trouble letting her answer the phone, and let her take care of her business...

I myself use this policy.... (if she does to me what I do to her.... how would I feel ??)
if I'm ok with it, then in general, its a go ahead...
(of course, guys and girls are never really the same...)
so, at times, us guys needs to be a gentleman... and give some leeway...

but if you treat your girl too nice and bending over backwards in the very beginning, she will think this is normal, and for the rest of your life, you'll be bending over backward for her...
(I did that once, and will never do it again...)

you need to show your confidence, and be the alpha male that leads her...
(of course... within reasons, not in any way of abuse...)
if you do it right, she will gladly follow ur lead...

How did any man be the alpha male before cell phones... 




For the OP... the girl sounds like way to much trouble.  You are young, move on to someone else.  If she is this much trouble already, she ain't gonna get better!

[Ond]

I'm not quoting all that last lot from hyiu, it takes up too much space and kind of misses the point I was making anyway *sigh*

Common sense and emotional intelligence can take some learning.  I don't need an I-phone to be the alpha male   or to show that I have a life and yeah when I was dating mobiles/cell phones  didn't exist - what bliss   .

Just so you know I'm a happily married man of nearly 20 years (next year) plenty of GFs before that.  and mobile phones..... my business is IT & Telecommunications it's one of my most frequently used tools in my work, in my social life it has it's uses.  How about this then, can we agree that there are certain times  when you might favour the romantic notion that ignoring your phone might win some useful points on a date?  Is that too extreme?

[pinballwizard79]

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[hyiu]

that I completely agree...

as I said before...
there are times when I do put my phone away...
I'll just check my msgs promptly afterwards...

I think the point I want to make is...
don't get into a habit of "worshipping" her and bend over backwards and treat her like a queen...
cos she will catch up really quick and you'll have to keep topping yourself....

[Ond]

that I completely agree...

Cool, while I was typing this reply my wife rang my cell phone and asked me to call her back to spare her the call charge - which I did.  The irony of this re: this thread does not escape me 

I'm going to go play my guitar now (badly).

[Edwards80]

But seriously. Just relax and and give it time. I just recently got married and cringe about how much effort was spent on the opposite sex growing up. I was once dumped because I got a haircut. . sounds like you had a similar lucky escape here

[shateredsoul]

hmmm.. they hav a point, you should have waited to call back that friend later.  BUT, still.. she's acted weird in other instances.   Seriously, I've had situations where girls keep dumbing me then wanted to get back together, open relationships, you're more like a friend, eww no!, etc.. etc..

When you act like you don't care when they try to do some drastic break up thing  (i.e. if they say they see you more as a friend) they'll wonder if they are making a mistake and come back.. for some reason.  NOt always, but works better than "I'm sorry i'll change come on we're good together". 

Best thing you can do is ask a friend  what they think of you dating that girl, a girl or a guy... they probably can see things in her (or how you two get along) that you're too blinded to see (damn you lust! and or love!)

[Flake]

I'm one rude MF, because I answer my cell about 10% of the time.

I can vouch for this and yes you are one rude MF.

On topic though, here is my equation for girls/women: 

Young crazy girl + X years of aging/maturity = Crazy older woman.

Point is women dont change over time, if their nutso now they'll be nutso as they age.   

[missioncontrol]

I think its ok to answer calls on a date, even if the other end is a female friend. but do make it brief. 

Actually, it's rather rude to answer the phone in a restaurant and really rude to answer the phone on a date.

ding ding ding... winner

Unless the phone call is work related, I wouldn't answer it. By answering the phone you are basically letting your date know they don't mean ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- to you. Let voice mail get it, call them when it is more convenient.

[Mauzy]

So reading this over, I am quite impressed by you guys! Not that I thought you were all a bunch of jackasses, but there's some solid advice here!

So OP, I might've missed it, but sounds like you're a younger guy, probably around my age. I'm moving to college in about 3 weeks. 2.5 hours from home. My girlfriend is moving to southern Kentucky (I'm in Illinois) about 6 to 7 hours from home. ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- sucks breaking up, but at least is sounds like you have a solid break. Theres animosity involved showing a clear end. Sure you have lingering feelings, but those will subside. I'm not trying to detract from your situation, just wanting to throw a currently happening scenario in:
 With the moving and all, my girl and I are splitting up simply due to distance. Its kind of a strange feeling knowing we still care for each other very deeply, yet we know a long distance relationship at our ages isn't conducive to a truly happy relationship. We have no clean break here. I don't know what I will do if (or when, more likely) I find out she found a new man. Not that I don't trust her, but if we're breaking its only logical that she will move on to someone else. I can't see myself dating or even looking at another girl the way I look at her any time in the foreseeable future, but I suppose the same logic applies to myself.

So I talk to my brother about this, he's 25, he has a lot more life experience than I do. Like many of these fellows are saying, DISTANCE. While I know it will be hard, sheer distance will make it easier. If you can distance yourself and find something to occupy yourself (in my case, college and pinball if i can ever make it to CP), you'll be set.

[shateredsoul]

I'm one rude MF, because I answer my cell about 10% of the time.

I can vouch for this and yes you are one rude MF.

On topic though, here is my equation for girls/women: 

Young crazy girl + X years of aging/maturity = Crazy older woman.

Point is women dont change over time, if their nutso now they'll be nutso as they age.   

same goes for guys, something that we haven't talked about. Once an ---uvula--- always an ---uvula---...

actually I've met people from highschool years later who did change. 

[RonnieC312]

have you called her sister and/or bestfriend yet??