Duke Nukem Forever video (NSFW language)

[Vigo]

All joking aside, I think Quake is really started moving the FPS genre. 3D environments and 3D enemies, instead of flat 2D (cardboard standee) enemies

Quake may have been revolutionary in LAN multiplayer FPS gaming scene, but I don't think it is the one responsible for the dramatic rise in the FPS genre. On the heels of quake came Goldeneye a just year later. I think breaking into the console market is really what brought FPS games into huge commercial successes.

Not to mention that quake came out at a funky time for PC computers, so it was not an initial major success. Quake was a DOS program that had high system requirements...at least for a dos game. It could be launched on Windows 95 but could not use any graphics acceleration, so the first release was slow on most computers. They did not fix up quake until Quake 2 came out a year later. I'm not dissing quake, but it just took a little while for it really take off. 

[Vigo]

Youre right, it IS a difference of opinion, but you just THOUGHT it didnt succeed, when cleary, it did.  Maybe you just didnt get the humor, or maybe youre one of those weird computer people that dont think anything is funny because youre too smart.

Just to kinda add on your thoughts, I don't even see why a PC game needs to be heavily rated on it's commercial success, anyway. Doom was easily the most popular FPS at the time, I know I played a lot of it. It really wasn't the best thing out there, though.

I used to play a ton of Marathon at the same time, which has now fallen into obscurity, yet the graphics were better, the weapons were better and there was multiplayer. You could aim with a mouse like modern FPS games, and there were neat things like varying gravities and oxygen levels, and the game could even be modded for co-op play.

It makes me think of all the cool things they could have added into Doom II, and the only improvement we got was a double barrel shotgun.

[SavannahLion]

Doom is Duke's father, no Duke without doom.. no fps without doom and therefore doom can NEVER be overrated.

You really can't be serious? Doom is definitely not the first FPS to hit the market and if Doom didn't exist, another FPS would take its place.

Sorry dude, Doom is more like the successful uncle.

[Mikezilla]

Youre right, it IS a difference of opinion, but you just THOUGHT it didnt succeed, when cleary, it did.  Maybe you just didnt get the humor, or maybe youre one of those weird computer people that dont think anything is funny because youre too smart.

Just to kinda add on your thoughts, I don't even see why a PC game needs to be heavily rated on it's commercial success, anyway. Doom was easily the most popular FPS at the time, I know I played a lot of it. It really wasn't the best thing out there, though.

I used to play a ton of Marathon at the same time, which has now fallen into obscurity, yet the graphics were better, the weapons were better and there was multiplayer. You could aim with a mouse like modern FPS games, and there were neat things like varying gravities and oxygen levels, and the game could even be modded for co-op play.

It makes me think of all the cool things they could have added into Doom II, and the only improvement we got was a double barrel shotgun.

+1

Doom is Duke's father, no Duke without doom.. no fps without doom and therefore doom can NEVER be overrated.

You really can't be serious? Doom is definitely not the first FPS to hit the market and if Doom didn't exist, another FPS would take its place.

Sorry dude, Doom is more like the successful uncle.

+1 again.

[NiN^_^NiN]

This was one of my first FPS's i played back in the PC days

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacomb_3-D

[Malenko]

not hovertank 3D?
lol

[RayB]

Wasn't Marathon the ONLY first person shooter game available for Mac, and that's why it was popular?

(note: It came out a full year after Doom.)

[Vigo]

Wasn't Marathon the ONLY first person shooter game available for Mac, and that's why it was popular?

(note: It came out a full year after Doom.)

Doom, wolfenstein and all sorts of early FPS games Came out for mac!

[RayB]

Wasn't Marathon the ONLY first person shooter game available for Mac, and that's why it was popular?

(note: It came out a full year after Doom.)

Doom, wolfenstein and all sorts of early FPS games Came out for mac!

THey were ported like YEARS later no? Every Mac owner I knew back then (which wasnt a lot) was bitching that all the good games were never available for Mac.

[Hoopz]

Wasn't Marathon the ONLY first person shooter game available for Mac, and that's why it was popular?

(note: It came out a full year after Doom.)

Doom, wolfenstein and all sorts of early FPS games Came out for mac!

THey were ported like YEARS later no? Every Mac owner I knew back then (which wasnt a lot) was bitching that all the good games were never available for Mac.

id Software always had Mac versions available pretty quickly.  That was something they did with all of their games.

Edit to fix bad quotefu. 

[opt2not]

Couple more videos released:

http://www.gamer4eva.com/2011/04/duke-nukem-forever-two-new-videos.html

Probably an April fool's thing though

[Hoopz]

End of the world?  Time to buy lottery tickets?  Who knows but it's gone gold now.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/24/duke-nukem-forever-goes-gold-will-meet-promised-june-deadline/

I don't care if it sucks or not.  I'm playing it as soon as I can.   

[Howard_Casto]

Doom is Duke's father, no Duke without doom.. no fps without doom and therefore doom can NEVER be overrated.

You really can't be serious? Doom is definitely not the first FPS to hit the market and if Doom didn't exist, another FPS would take its place.

Sorry dude, Doom is more like the successful uncle.

Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong.....

Id software was virtually the only people making fps back in the day.  Even if it wasn't an id game, the game ran on an id engine.  Wolf3D was the first, but Doom was the first one where id said "here is our engine, run with it...." and thus the modern fps genre was born. 

[AtomSmasher]

Doom is Duke's father, no Duke without doom.. no fps without doom and therefore doom can NEVER be overrated.

You really can't be serious? Doom is definitely not the first FPS to hit the market and if Doom didn't exist, another FPS would take its place.

Sorry dude, Doom is more like the successful uncle.

Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong.....

Id software was virtually the only people making fps back in the day.  Even if it wasn't an id game, the game ran on an id engine.  Wolf3D was the first, but Doom was the first one where id said "here is our engine, run with it...." and thus the modern fps genre was born. 

Your post just made this scene from Scrubs pop into my head:

[BobA]

Quote from Wired.
Duke Nukem will make his long-awaited return June 14 for Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and PC. A demo will be made available June 3, but only for customers who preorder the game.

Hope this is more accurate then the end of the world date.

[AtomSmasher]

Quote from Wired.
Duke Nukem will make his long-awaited return June 14 for Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and PC. A demo will be made available June 3, but only for customers who preorder the game.

Hope this is more accurate then the end of the world date.

The demo will also be available to those who bought the Game of the Year edition of Borderlands.

[SavannahLion]

Doom is Duke's father, no Duke without doom.. no fps without doom and therefore doom can NEVER be overrated.

You really can't be serious? Doom is definitely not the first FPS to hit the market and if Doom didn't exist, another FPS would take its place.

Sorry dude, Doom is more like the successful uncle.

Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong.....

Id software was virtually the only people making fps back in the day.  Even if it wasn't an id game, the game ran on an id engine.  Wolf3D was the first, but Doom was the first one where id said "here is our engine, run with it...." and thus the modern fps genre was born. 

Oh for Pete's sake. Can you get your facts straight before you do this? I can trace games with FPS elements all the way back into the 70's.

Doom is simply a natural evolutionary step in the genre. If Id didn't get the formula right, someone else most certainly would have.

Even John Carmack himself admits to seeing Ultima Underworld before it was released. Wow... I guess Id wasn't the only company making those kind of games. Oh wait, are we not counting BattleTank and Interceptor because those involve machines instead of a person walking? Has anybody ever seen an Interceptor? Good question. Let's see, which game was first with the neck brace? 

Here's my point. No one person invented the modern FPS as we have come to accept it just like no one person invented the modern television set. It took a lot of people from a lot of different mentalities and different specialties (and OMG! from different companies!) developing the individual components necessary so that those components can be expanded upon and eventually coalesce into a nice modern game. Something that was bound to happen with or without Id. With Id, we just got to that point a little bit faster. Ergo, Doom is the Uncle.

What next? Are you going to tell everyone Microsoft Windows is the first OS to use a mouse?

[Vigo]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but didn't the arcade game Gun Buster come out before Wolfenstein? That was a pretty standard FPS, only it incorporated light guns with the joystick controls for shooting.

Well, the first FPS game I remember playing is Delta Man for the C64 (1987?). It wasn't pretty, but it was first person, and it was a shooter. You had to dink around with a command list to pick up weapons, ammo and heath though.

[SavannahLion]

I thought some random ass Robocop game was considered the first 'real' FPS?

Besides that - who cares?

Clearly the people who responded, which, oddly enough, includes you.

[RayB]

There's a big difference between making a game that kinda fits the loose definition of a certain genre and making it right.

The fact that even AFTER Doom, other copycats couldn't get something as simple as proper controls right says a lot about what Carmack and Romero accomplished.

[Vigo]

You can't define what games are in a genre based on if the game if popular or whether or not you liked it. While ID made great FPS games, it is not they they magically thought of the idea themselves and anyone and everyone else was just a copycat. There were a lot of FPS games that came out before, during and after Wolfenstein 3D and Doom. Maybe not as fun of games, but the games were not invented with rainbow magic.

[SavannahLion]

There's a big difference between making a game that kinda fits the loose definition of a certain genre and making it right.

The fact that even AFTER Doom, other copycats couldn't get something as simple as proper controls right says a lot about what Carmack and Romero accomplished.

That's absurd, Doom is a copycat. It most certainly is NOT the first FPS. Even within Ids own doors. And proper controls? There's no Y axis in the game. Why do you think I made the comment about the neck brace?

Doom is not perfect. It refined what already existed and combined others. It's merely an evolutionary step in a long lineage of that genre. So Carmack released it in 1993 to the detriment of networks everywhere. That's his billing, nothing more, nothing less. If it wasn't for Carmack someone else would have figured it out eventually.

It is, once again, the successful Uncle of the genre. Not the God of all FPS of all time.

[Mikezilla]

So Duke Nukem came out today. Anybody get it yet? Im going to have to wait til tomorrow to get mine.

[Mikezilla]

Damn. Damn DAMN. I mean, it wasnt going to take much to impress me considering I just really want to play it cause I loved the first one so much. Hell, as long as it has the jetpack and some damn pipebombs/shrink ray, I dont even care how innovative it is. Yeah, I miss attitude in games. Everyone is so afraid to do stuff now. I think Im going to rent it.

[Xiaou2]

 Check it.  Supposedly the first FPS game.  Has 2 linked PCs.  Game said to have been created 1973 on wikipedia.. but this guy says software is stating 1979.

 Back in the day, I used to play a FPS-Like game on the C64 called "Invaders of the Lost Tomb"  (called Scarabaeus elsewhere)  which has a FPS style Dungeons. (though you cant shoot)



Sega Master System also had Phantasy Star, which has FPS maze dungeons too.

 FPS isnt really anything special.  Its simple 3d.   The controls it uses isnt special either.  The mouse has been around for a long time.  Same for any analog controller.

 Most games that were programmed before Doom didnt have the technology to pull off what it accomplished without it being way too slow, clunky, etc.

 Personally, I thought Wolfenstein was kinda fun, but FPS games grew wary and boring quickly.  The gameplay is pretty much slow, monotonous (I dont find getting lost in mazes fun), and not very challenging. 

[AtomSmasher]

I've played about an hour of the new Duke and it feels like a game from 1998 with updated graphics and physics...which is exactly what I wanted, so I'm loving it so far.  It's not revolutionary by any sense, but it's classic run and gun goodness.

[Xiaou2]

lol. Review: 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars/

[AtomSmasher]

lol. Review: 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars/

It's funny how many reviewers are offended or disgusted by the humor in the game 

[AtomSmasher]

It's funny how it never occurred to me to walk over to the toilet in the game, hunt for turds, and attempt to pick them up. 

It's funnier how the reviewer did and then had the nerve to get offended when it worked.

 

lol ya, same here.  I had no idea you could do that.

[Vigo]

It's funny how it never occurred to me to walk over to the toilet in the game, hunt for turds, and attempt to pick them up. 

It's funnier how the reviewer did and then had the nerve to get offended when it worked.

 

  It's almost like his Grandma reads his reviews and he was worried he might offend her by saying anything positive at all. It's funny how uptight he gets about killing innocent people. You do that stuff all the time in a ton of games. Nobody ever called KOTOR an offensive game.

Not saying I will like any of the humor of the new Duke game until I try it, but this dude seems to be as stiff as a board on anything this game tries to do.

[Mikezilla]

It's funny how it never occurred to me to walk over to the toilet in the game, hunt for turds, and attempt to pick them up. 

It's funnier how the reviewer did and then had the nerve to get offended when it worked.

 

  It's almost like his Grandma reads his reviews and he was worried he might offend her by saying anything positive at all. It's funny how uptight he gets about killing innocent people. You do that stuff all the time in a ton of games. Nobody ever called KOTOR an offensive game.

Not saying I will like any of the humor of the new Duke game until I try it, but this dude seems to be as stiff as a board on anything this game tries to do.

Cmon, people are so freaking uppity. Like the original one was THAT funny when it came to the humor. I rented this last night, didnt get to play it though, so Ill be putting up a review of my own tonight. I dont like though how duke can only hold 2 weapons, thats pretty ---smurfy---. That reviewer though sounds like an uppity ---tallywhacker--- that is worried what might happen if he actually LIKED the game, so he will just badmouth it like everyone else. 

[RayB]

I think the reviewer has a point, though I need to try the game out before I should really take sides. There's an art to comedy, even if it's crass toilet humour. I totally understood his comparison to "Date Movie". There's funny, and there's just plain stupid. There's an art to pulling either off, just as there is an art to creating any form of entertainment. Compare Ewe Bolle's "In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale" to "Lord of the Rings"--You'll see lots of similarities, but the Ewe Bolle film will make you want to gouge your brain out with a rusty spoon.

[Vigo]

In a way, it is a positive review. I remember back when I was in school we had to watch a schoolroom world news program in one class to keep up on current events. South Park had just come out, and there was a "news piece" that was geared at telling kids how awful and juvenile the show was, and how we shouldn't watch it. Needless to say, every kid in the classroom was an instant South Park fan from that day forward. 

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

In a way, it is a positive review. I remember back when I was in school we had to watch a schoolroom world news program in one class to keep up on current events. South Park had just come out, and there was a "news piece" that was geared at telling kids how awful and juvenile the show was, and how we shouldn't watch it. Needless to say, every kid in the classroom was an instant South Park fan from that day forward. 

I was sitting at a PC under the the classroom TV playing Doom one day in in homeroom a few days after Columbine when they started talking about what big fans of the game the shooters had been.

[Mikezilla]

So I read more reviews about this game and man. Everyone says that it sucks. Hard. Like, toothless hooker hard. I still have hope though... I guess Ill have to wait and see tonight, its not looking good though. 

[AtomSmasher]

PC Gamer liked it. Gave it an 80%.

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

I was watching a commentary/playthrough on you tube earlier and the first thing that jumped out at me was how poor the jumping animation was in a game where the protagonist likes to look in mirrors so much.

[DaveMMR]

Here's a particularly biting review...
http://www.1up.com/reviews/duke-nukem-forever-review

I don't know - I was kind of over the whole "Duke Nukem" thing by the early 00's when FPS's had fully matured.  We had already seen Half-Life and were coming up on Halo.  But I was still curious to see what was to come of the endless wait - maybe hoping for a clever reinvention (whatever that means).  Oh well.

[SavannahLion]

Yikes.... Those reviews are really nasty.

Well, I can always fall back on Alice.

[AtomSmasher]

I was watching a commentary/playthrough on you tube earlier and the first thing that jumped out at me was how poor the jumping animation was in a game where the protagonist likes to look in mirrors so much.

I loved the jumping animation when I first saw it since it's intensionally horrible to be a parody of the jumping animations from 10+ years ago.