Re: I am now a blackbelt!

[Xiaou2]

 We were talking the Best Fighters in the World.   And that is my point.
The best fighters are trained to both attack vitals, as well as defend against them.

 MMA or pretty much any Sport fighter, does Not have to worry about such attacks,
so can Not be considered anywhere near a  "Best Fighter".

 Half the things they do in the MMA ring, would get you killed on the real streets...
yet they get away with it.. and then have the audacity to diss traditional arts.
Its a huge joke.

 Btw - Im surprised they allowed the toe lock.  They dont allow finger breaks...
but hey... these guys cant even block a punch let alone preform captures and
joint destruction.
 

[hypernova]

and not an immediate full mass dump.

I always love a good dump.

I feel lighter and faster afterwards.

[northerngames]

ahh so they do allow finger break's in karate or martail arts tournments then right and if not what and why was that even mentioned as I am sure brock and many others can break finger if it were allowed standing or on the ground.

I know there are more rule's then what I listed as I am not a ufc or mma official but i do know for a fact more rules apply to ground move's then standing up.

jumping over some guy if even possible is not going to win a fight either I would laugh ---my bottom--- off seeing some guy diving and rolling all over the ring or cage like a fish out water or a cat when they get spooked and caught of guard and they do that crazy leap for no reason instead of using traditional footwork and moving around like most fighter's do.

more then likely his oppenent would stand their with his hand's on his hip's wondering what the hell this other guy is doing and to let him know when he's ready to fight.

there's also an old saying that everyone has a plan going into a fight but that all change's soon as you get hit hard.

I have seen alot of modern fighter's get rocked and keep going where I am not to sure about these guys that spend their time jumping around on a mat as training and as bruce once said boards don't hit back. I say neither does mat's or bag's...

[danny_galaga]

This is STILL going? Geez.

I don't agree with Xiaou about many things, but in fighting he probably knows his stuff. I accept a lot of what he is saying about fighting, except maybe that baby elephant thing, there is a corresponding story about Johnny Weisemuller gaining his strength by lifting a calf up every day when he was young. He kept going until it was a bull, where he was still able to lift it. Which seems rather unlikely...

I've never actually been in a fight. I think i've missed out on an important part of growing up  

I think i found the right room for this argument

[Xiaou2]

ahh so they do allow finger break's in karate or martail arts tournments then right and if not what and why was that even mentioned as I am sure brock and many others can break finger if it were allowed standing or on the ground.

 I do NOT support Sport fighting.  I do NOT support Tournaments.  I DO SUPPORT
realistic Combat Training.

 It was brought up, because the UFC/MMA fighters were said to be the
"Best Fighters in the World".  Its just one more reason they are Not.

jumping over some guy if even possible is not going to win a fight either I would laugh ---my bottom--- off seeing some guy diving and rolling all over the ring or cage like a fish out water or a cat when they get spooked and caught of guard and they do that crazy leap for no reason instead of using traditional footwork and moving around like most fighter's do.

 LOL.  Man, you are getting your arguments all mixed up.   I merely put up
Acrobatics to show that Lee (and others) are capable of extreme abilities.
This Does show that their athleticism is thus superior... which actually Does in fact
lead to them having better control and accuracy in a fight.  However, that does
not mean Tony Jaa is going to do well in a real fight.  The training is completely
different.

there's also an old saying that everyone has a plan going into a fight but that all change's soon as you get hit hard.

 Id laugh in that persons face that said that.  A True fighter can not go into a
fight with a Plan.  A fight is Dynamic.  It changes constantly.  A good fighter
adapts to every situation as its happening.  If you try to make an opponent do
something... or Try to make a certain move work on them, your gona end up
rocked out... counting sheep.

 Getting hit does not change One thing.  You man up, suffer through it, and
return to good form.  Its the inexperienced that duck and cower after getting hit
hard, and fall into poor structural form.  This only makes it worse for them.. and
they end up getting hit twice as often.

I have seen alot of modern fighter's get rocked and keep going where I am not to sure about these guys that spend their time jumping around on a mat as training and as bruce once said boards don't hit back. I say neither does mat's or bag's...

 Umm..  I have no idea what you are arguing about now.

 A good artists trains all aspects of fighting.  You need just as much time hitting
hard wall-bags as you do live targets.  People are not made of jello, and your
hand isnt always going to have a nice soft glove on when something goes down.

 You can hit kick a bag and punch a sandbag much harder than a live opponent.
As if you did punch that hard on a training partner... you would need a spare room
to store all the bodies afterwords.  Thats why you train light to med. power / speed
on a live opp, and Heavy force on the targets. (and or speed too, depending
on the kind of training you are doing)

 As for Jaa, I have not dug deep enough to really confirm his total jump height.
However, watching Ongbak makes one thing this guy probably can do it.

 Btw - Thanks danny_galaga.
(and that pic scares me for some reason  hehe)

I've never actually been in a fight. I think i've missed out on an important part of growing up

 You didnt miss much.  Its usually some pre high school roll in the dirt. Nobody
really gets that hurt.  Its more of an ego bruising event.

 However, sparring is probably the closest thing you get to a real combat situation,
and hey, there is always a martial arts class around the corner     Its not for
everyone... but if you can get past the initial stage where getting hit ceases to
really bother you  (takes a while to go from a marshmallow body to "Terminator")...
then the experience is just awesome.  There is little that gets your adrenalin
pumping like the challenge and stresses of combat.

[saint]

Meh, take this outside (i.e. off the forum)

[eds1275]

Congratulations on getting your black belt. I'm a master at tiger style kung fu, and was thrilled when I became one. You must feel honoured and proud of yourself - it's a lot of work and discipline, and in this crazy world it's unbelievable to find the time to devote to something like this.   

[Malenko]

Congratulations on getting your black belt. I'm a master at tiger style kung fu, and was thrilled when I became one. You must feel honoured and proud of yourself - it's a lot of work and discipline, and in this crazy world it's unbelievable to find the time to devote to something like this.   

you wanna post this in the OTHER black belt thread.

[CCM]

[Xiaou2]

Sad Indeed.

 Firstly, the whole thing is more than likely staged.  Cause If this guy is for real,
then Im scared for this world.

 The decision to keep the guy out is well warranted.  If you cant throw a MT kick
without landing on your butt... then you probably have never had to defend
against one... and are not well equipped to fight against such persons yet.

 Also, being that he was so uncoordinated shows he lacks proper balance,
flexibility, awareness, and structure... to be a decent fighter.

 The attitude displayed was pure BS.  No person of any real skill level would
be such a crybaby.  Nor would want to even participate in a cheezy sport event...
let alone beg to get entrance.

 If it were me, and I were so inclined to make a point, I would have challenged
the dude personally... stating that if I Knocked him out, I would be instated.

 They were quick to silence the dude when he quipped up, but never once
schooled him... which I find interesting.  As usually, these guys are itching to
do just that.

 
 Anyone can pull up any style, and find some lackie with a big mouth that
cant back it up with proper execution and technique.  You can see it immediately
with the way they move.
(Especially if you are in that style, and know the correct ways)

 But individuals do not matter.  Its the tools and science that Do matter.

 A $100 paint brush isnt going to produce master artwork for everyone.  It
takes years of hard earned efforts to gain that mastery.  However, if you
give a professional a crap brush... his works will suffer in comparison.  Same

 You can give a guy a plain old sponge... and they can end up cranking out
paintings which drop jaws.  But, give that same guy a real nice brush... and
he will raise to a whole new level of output.


Realistic Qualifications:

1) Do you know it (style/science)?  How Well?

2) How much effort invested? (Actual total training/sparring Hours, not yrs as an
artist)

3) Perfected all techniques? (Instant reactions: no need to 'think'?. Full power,full speed, perfect accuracy - every time?)
  
4) Tested all techs against:  

  a) Various other styles against high belt/level fighters?
  b) against people stronger / taller / longer reach  than you?
  c) against people faster than you?
  d) at full speed, decent to heavy power?

5) Body conditioned to take heavy strikes in all areas of the body?
6) Able to control the mind to free of thoughts and emotions?
7) Willpower, to endure past pains and difficulties?
8 ) Proper Breathing techniques
9) Proper power deliver techniques (reducing almost all losses)
10) In decent physical shape? (required mostly for Sport interaction)


 As Ive said before, I could take any typical MMA guy, and make him 10 times
as good as he currently is in about a year of Wing Chun training.

 Wing Chun was originally developed to take down an entire army of highly
trained fighters.  It was most likely taught to people who were already
good/great fighters. Meaning, they didnt have to learn the basics..  And, the
fighters trained a lot 'out of class'.   Todays modern Wing Chun in many places
has not caught on to these facts, and or does not care about the students
potentials. There are some too, that really are brainwashed, and perpetuate
illusion over substance.  Real technique, but nothing sound to rest it upon.

 This does not change the power and advantages found in the Wing Chun systems.
Hence why many fighters have turned to it, and never looked back.

 The post above shows the typical childish ignorance of a low level fighter who
is offended by his own lackings.  Instead of learning what makes the style special,
which may in fact make you a better fighter... You simple decide to close off
your mind and stay stagnant.  A Defeatist Attitude.

 Personally, Ive always had a Positive attitude.  I have managed to learn, and
even teach myself things from other arts than the original art that I started out
with.  And I continue to learn more and more all the time.  Im not satisfied
with being good at one One small window of technique... and I believe in
researching and testing whatever may help me become even more skilled.

 Im not threatened or Jealous, so I dont need to post insults and childish
drivel.  I will admit I too was a bit stubborn in my own past... but, Ive long since
become wiser to the realities of the arts which I, at one time, least
understood.

 I suggest you re-access your own attitude...
And expand your depth of skill and knowledge in the process.

[Xiaou2]

I just thought Id mention...

 Tonight I decided to go to the mall... and hit up the bookcenter.  I found a
relatively new book on Lee, called "Bruce Lee Conversations"   (nov 09)

 http://www.amazon.com/Bruce-Lee-Conversations-Fiaz-Rafiq/dp/0955264898/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269490358&sr=1-1

 I must have spent 3hrs pouring thru the thing    heh

 Whats cool about this book, is that its firsthand accounts from people who
were there training and playing with Lee.  From his students, actors, friends..etc.

 There were at least 3 personal accounts which verified a fight he had against a
5th degree blackbelt in Karate, in which he beat him in less than 11 seconds.
(About 9 of which were spent pummeling the guy - till Lee was Asked to stop)

 Another highlight, was that I got to see a picture of the heavy kick bag Lee
trained on.  Its 3.5 ft diameter, and was believed to weigh about 300lbs...
which is probably one big reason why lee could kick so damn hard.

 There were validations from his students, that do tell the truth about his
power punch.  Outright states that his 1" demo was used as a push,  and
that in reality, the real version barely moves a person.  Something Ive known
and found myself... Its nice to see one who trained under lee verify it in print.

 There were many things I didnt know... but suspected.  Turns out that while
he did teach many people... he held back things, and held back certain things
to certain people.  Turns out he didnt want to train people to be able to defeat
him.  Very interesting... though a little sad.  Some students realized it, and eventually left to do their own things.

 I found it funny as hell to read Frasier's commentary.  He's got a massive ego,
and couldnt stop talking about how good he was, and how many fights he
won.  Never really fought lee, and yet thinks lee wasnt all that tough.  This
dude had no real clue.  Lee never fought him, cause a guy like this wouldnt
stop till he was in the grave.  His ego simply wouldnt allow it.  He said
that he messed up by not talking part in Lees offer to be in the movies...
(cause he didnt want to be seen losing on film) Yet, he passed the blame
off to people who advised him, rather than simply admitting it was really
his Ego which caused his major losses.

[polaris]

I met bruce lee once and kicked the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- out of him in 8 seconds flat.

[danny_galaga]

This thread is useless without

[Cakemeister]

Everybody have fun tonight!
Everybody Wing Chun tonight!

[northerngames]

rampage the mma fighter supposedly has the hardest recorded punch following tyson then foreman and these were officially recorded but I cannot find the official paperwork yet but getting the same search results.

I did not see any wing chun or fajin in there for hardest punch's or any mention of them although there is a guy that does one of the two that hold's the record for the most punch's in a set time frame for 1 minute but that dont make power punch's like above by any means.

 

[Xiaou2]

 Just because there has not been measurements made, does not mean it
does not exist, and that it does not succeed the most common practiced ways. 

 You know, there are scientists who recently discovered evidence of an
ancient civilization who made a certain mixture of ingredients, and was able
to grow massive luscious food crops, on the desert sands.

 They are Still researching this mixture, as to this date, nobody has figured
out how to duplicate it.

 This is an example of your whit.  In your mind... if someone told you that there
was a way to grow entire fields of crops in the desert, you may have immediately
pointed to all the past attempts that failed... and citing no evidence (that
you knew about), immediately claimed it to be a lie and a joke.

 This mixture was not really a secret back then... however, it was lost to time..
and even though we are hundreds or more years beyond the date... we lack
the knowledge to replicate it.   Meaning, just because we are more advance,
does not mean the past holds no (or MORE) value.  Nor does it mean we know
and understand everything.

 While the crop mixture probably was not a secret to the people who made and
used it... (unless only certain people were privy to it...)  Fajin, Dim Mak, and
other such technologies were secretive, because back in those days, there
were no guns, wilderness was plenty, and more times than not... you had
to rely on yourself to defend you, your loved ones, and your valuables.

 Also, it was still kept a secret to many, merely as an Advantage over others.
Hence, if they tried try to pull rank and or fight seriously, you could disable
them.  Up until like the 1960s, If you challenged the master of a Chinese martial
arts school, he would have to give his school and students over to you, if you
won.  If he didnt accept the challenge, he might lose credibility, and public
humiliation... The Chinese back then placed a Lot of value on public appearances,
and couldnt stand to look bad / humiliated.

 Fajin may not have been measured with devices, but ya know, Its not
surprising really... considering that most scientists care less about human
power output... and the ones that do... are pretty much clueless.  Not to
mention, as stated above, that most people doing Fajin in the recent past,
have kept it a secret.

 Still there plenty of credible personal accounts, and places where you can
experience it for yourself.  And if you happen to have the equipment, maybe you
can ask for a reading.
 
 Just remember how to do the math properly.  IE: 200 lbs  force dumped in
one-hundredth of a second, is far more damaging than 500 lbs in 1 second.

 Then add in how much the person weighs, the distance they started from,
and how fast the strike traveled at.

 Remember, even the strongest puncher in the world, wont do any damage if
the guy cant hit you... and the more distance it takes to generate all that power,
means its easier to evade / deflect / redirect.   

 A Jab coming from the lead hand
however, can be very easy to land at close fighting range... and if
that jab has even the power of a pro boxers cross, you are going to have a
huge advantage in landing percentages alone.

 Most fighters, when close, are limited in the power they can generate... so
they are forced to grapple, throw, and try to get to the ground.  The rest play
in and out strategies... hoping that they wont get caught when they try to
enter close.  Yet, to be able to take someone out of commission even when they
are nose to nose with you, is a skill that is a real necessity of real combat.

 Of course, without any good defensive abilities, and safe ways to enter a
fighters space... it wont matter much what kind of power you have.

 Whenever you see a MMA fight, any standup is pretty much two fighters
trading blows.  Very rarely does either man have a good defense besides
ducking and moving... which does not work well at close range.

[shateredsoul]

link us to that article.. surely if this is true it would be in a peer reviewed research journal... this is big news

[lilshawn]

The Ultimate Battle
 
 
Scene 1:   

Dark smoke fills the scene and pump up music slowly gets louder.  The audience sees a ninja and his girlfriend eating at a super expensive restaurant.  The girlfriend is so hot that steam is coming out of her mouth or hair.  Some old idiot is sitting by the couple.  The idiot is giving the girlfriend "the eye" and popping like 16 boners.  But the ninja sees the boners and the music really pumps up.  The audience knows this guy is dead meat for sure.  But out of nowhere, the old idiot pulls off his jacket to show that he is a pirate with lasers and everything.  The ninja is like yeah right who cares and then pops the biggest boner ever, bigger than the biggest blackest boner alive.  The ninja's boner smashes the entire restaurant.  Every single one of the pirate's boners explodes while making a whistling sound.  The ninja looks back at his girlfriend.  She smiles and they pork

bwah hahahaha haha hah  i think i peed

[Hoopz]

link us to that article.. surely if this is true it would be in a peer reviewed research journal... this is big news

You're not allowed to ask for sources.  That's rule #1 of dealing with X.

Kinda like his ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- Star Wars yoke that never worked.   

[Xiaou2]

 
 I saw it recently on one of those history / discovery channels on HDTV.
I think it also popped up on yahoo news as well.

 I didnt copy the name of the stuff, not realizing I would have to justify the
Zombie courts of Idiocy.

 Ill try to web search it regardless.  It is really awesome news actually...
IF they can figure out how to reproduce it that is...

[Malenko]

is this thread still going? can we post hell it already?

[DillonFoulds]

My thoughts exactly. I regret having posted in here previously. Xiaou2 doesn't know when he's being trolled, and it appears even after saint said take it off the forums, people continue to troll.

Xiaou, they're yanking you along. You'd be best to ignore this thread. All you're doing is giving the trolls food, and they're just going to use it to discredit you in other sections/threads of the forums. It's just what trolls do.

I guess that's the nature of the internet, though. Would be nice to see this thread locked, at the very least.

[Xiaou2]

Terra Preta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_preta

also known as Biochar

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/ancient-soil-technique-offers-hope-to-store-carbon-underground_100132315.html


 Btw - I found a really cool Interview with Bob Wall on Lee:

http://www.cityonfire.com/features/bobwall/

[danny_galaga]

Terra Preta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_preta

also known as Biochar

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/ancient-soil-technique-offers-hope-to-store-carbon-underground_100132315.html

Interesting stuff. Although that article says that it is basically a variation on 'slash and burn'. And the Amazon could hardly be considered a desert 

[northerngames]

I would not consider getting something to grow in the amazon some old secret either.

[Xiaou2]

 Could have sworn the doc said desert... but I guess I wasnt paying enough
attention at the time.  It was running in the background while I was doing pc
work.

 Also:

"Terra preta sites are also known in other South American areas (Ecuador, Peru, Guyana),[15] in West Africa (Benin, Liberia), and on the South African savannas[3]. Similar soil was found in late Roman Britain — see dark earth."

 Anyways, according to whats said, is that the sheer number of population
that was witnessed by the elder explorers, is said to be impossible
,by modern scientists, to feed using standard agricultural methodologies in
that area.  The Terra Pretta was the only thing that made it possible to
grow so much food in such infertile soils, and not have the soils destroyed
in a short time period.

 The Secret, is not only in the results, which rival current soil and fertalizer
methods, but also its production.  If you Read and understood the article in
its entirety, you would have realized this and more...  But I have this feeling
you have the mind and attention span of a child, and so this stuff is way
beyond your comprehension.

 There are plenty of people much smarter than you interested in this
discovery.  Wiki list about 4 universities and 3 companies currently working
to discover its secrets.

 And this is far from the only technological secret that has been lost to history,
that rivals some current tech we have today.

[shmokes]

you have the mind and attention span of a child, and so this stuff is way
beyond your comprehension.

 There are plenty of people much smarter than you interested in this
discovery. 

Xiaou, I love that you're the one insulting people's intelligence after claiming that there was an ancient recipe for growing crops in desert sands only to provide the links to enriching soil with charcoal.  You're right.  Enriching soil is neat.  It's also a far cry from

an ancient civilization who made a certain mixture of ingredients, and was able
to grow massive luscious food crops, on the desert sands.

[Xiaou2]

There is a Huge difference between getting a detail wrong, than in actual
thought processes, logic, reasoning, and attitude.

 And no, there is not too much difference:

 an ancient civilization who made a certain mixture of ingredients, and was able
to grow massive luscious food crops, in a soil depleting environment.

 Without the mixture, their crops would have failed in a short time, and
when was working, never would have been able to grow the amount of crops/food
that they did manage to grow with the mixture.

 Also, the mixture is more than simply charcole... else there would be no need
for 4 universities and 3 companies working to figure it out.
 
 It is no Surprise that competent thinking is beyond you as well.

[shmokes]

 It is no Surprise that competent thinking is beyond you as well.

Xiaou, you should take a sample LSAT exam (law school admission test).  Unlike most exams of this sort you don't need any specialized knowledge.  It tests logical reasoning (2 sections), analytical reasoning and reading comprehension.  It's actually sort of a fun test -- like taking those online IQ tests, only much more rigorous and well designed.  You can get a free sample exam here:  http://www.lsac.org/pdfs/test.pdf.  Remember, no cheating.  Exactly 35 minutes per section.  Since the LSAT requires no specialized knowledge, time is the only thing keeping you from a perfect score.  Almost anybody could get a perfect score given enough time since the answers are contained within each question.

Who knows . . . maybe you'll realize that you're perfectly suited to law school.  Let me know how well you do.  I'm curious to know how much more competent a thinker you are than me.

Edit: Fixed link

[patrickl]

I'm afraid we are no match for the mystical powers/imagination of X

[danny_galaga]

 It is no Surprise that competent thinking is beyond you as well.

Xiaou, you should take a sample LSAT exam (law school admission test).  Unlike most exams of this sort you don't need any specialized knowledge.  It tests logical reasoning (2 sections), analytical reasoning and reading comprehension.  It's actually sort of a fun test -- like taking those online IQ tests, only much more rigorous and well designed.  You can get a free sample exam here:  http://www.lsac.org/pdfs/test.pdf.  Remember, no cheating.  Exactly 35 minutes per section.  Since the LSAT requires no specialized knowledge, time is the only thing keeping you from a perfect score.  Almost anybody could get a perfect score given enough time since the answers are contained within each question.

Who knows . . . maybe you'll realize that you're perfectly suited to law school.  Let me know how well you do.  I'm curious to know how much more competent a thinker you are than me.

link no work. Yo got my curiosity. I wanna give it a go!

[ammitz]

 http://www.lsac.org/pdfs/test.pdf

without the last dot

[HaRuMaN]

Oh great, why don't we just drag out our SAT scores, too?   

Ok.  You first.   

[shmokes]

Oh great, why don't we just drag out our SAT scores, too?   

I went through most of the graduate school entrance exams (GMAT, GRE, LSAT) and got the same percentile on all of them +/- 5 points.  The slants were all a little different but they all more or less peg you the same.

The other exams test specific knowledge, such as how well you know algebra.  The LSAT isn't concerned with knowledge.  It just tests your thinking skills.  Like I said, the answer to EVERY question is provided within the question itself.  Outside knowledge won't help you at all.  A person 30 years out of college can take the LSAT and there won't be a single time when he looks at something and says, "Hmm . . . I'm sure I used to know this."  The closest thing you get on the LSAT is the essay (because it requires a knowledge of grammar, etc.) but the essay isn't even graded.  It doesn't affect your score.

[shmokes]

They unquestionably cannot be trusted.     You'll never find a group of people with a larger concentration of type A, ultracompetitive people who will do anything to win.  There are lots of lovely people here in law school.  I have lots of really good friends.  But I've never in my life known a group of people with such a large proportion of whom I dislike.  And I mean dislike in a fundamental way . . . as in, "You are a crappy human being," dislike. 

It's kind of weird.  In terms of ethical behavior, there is not a more regulated profession in existence.  We take ethics VERY seriously.  But because of the type of people disproportionately attracted to the law, there is not another profession that so badly needs it.

[shmokes]

Also, I'm not saying that any of those other tests are inferior to the LSAT, or will produce substantially different scores.  I'm just saying that they are not as relevant to this discussion.  For that matter, I may even be wrong about that.  Maybe any of them would be just as accessible as the LSAT in terms of prerequisite knowledge.  So what?
 

[Xiaou2]

 Not sure I want to waste 30+ min doing that, but maybe later.
 
 I recall in my old school days getting called to the principles office...
He thought I was being lazy, because I placed so high on the
reading comprehension section of the tests.

 I was never that good in school.  Didnt care, slow learner, bad memory...
just barely passed... so I was shocked to hear such a comment.

 I was also amazed when I was taking that part of the test, at how
easy it was.   I mean, as you said... they outright give you the answer.

 I guess when I think about it... I had one other such experience.
Always hated history class.  Boring, couldnt remember the dates,
couldnt care less.  Nearly failing the class.   A substitute comes in..
has some actual passion. Starts asking "Theoretical" style questions
about what the people in that time may have been thinking, and feeling...
 And it became interesting.   I answered a lot of those kinds of questions
easily and happily. 

 The guy came to me after class and said I should go into
history. Said I would be good.  I told him I was basically failing the class...
but he didnt seem to be phased by it.  Was impressed with how I
thought about and reasoned things out.  If only I had more permanent
teachers like him, I would have been so much better off today.

 In the school I attended, many of the teachers there were just
there for the paycheck.  No passion in the fields they were in, and
couldnt teach very well either.   Then again... most of school is not meant
to test your thinking (shocking ehh?!)... You simply have to Remember
things, and repeat them back.  And people wonder why we need a zillion
warning tags all over things...  lol
 

 The written laws are filled with injustices.  Defending it at times, is
just about immoral as it gets.  The only thing more immoral is probably
the people behind & making of laws.    heh

[shmokes]

Not sure I want to waste 30+ min doing that, but maybe later.
 

Just so you know . . . it's 35 min per section, four sections.  So you will be wasting 2+ hours.  

Buuuuuuuut . . . it really is kind of a fun test, in the same way those online IQ tests are sort of fun or how Sudoku is fun.  Each question is a sort of game (except the questions in the reading comprehension section . . . they primarily just test how well you absorb and retain information when you read it).  In fact, one of the sections is universally (other than on the test itself) referred to as "Games".  That section is a ---smurfette---.  

Here's an example (look at the clock . . . you have 7 minutes and 30 seconds to read the set-up and answer all 5 questions):

An amusement park roller coaster includes five cars, numbered 1 through 5 from front to back. Each car accommodates up to two riders, seated side by side. Six people — Tom, Gwen, Laurie, Mark, Paul and Jack — are riding the coaster at the same time.


Laurie is sharing a car.

Mark is not sharing a car and is seated immediately behind an empty car.

Tom is not sharing a car with either Gwen or Paul.

Gwen is riding in either the third or fourth car.

Question 1
Which of the following groups of riders could occupy the second car?
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(A) Laurie only
(B) Tom and Gwen
(C) Laurie and Mark
(D) Jack and Tom
(E) Jack, Gwen, and Paul

Question 2
If Gwen is riding immediately behind Laurie's car and immediately ahead of Tom's car, all of the following must be true EXCEPT:
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(A) Gwen is riding in the fourth car.
(B) Paul is riding in the third car.
(C) Tom is riding in the fifth car.
(D) Laurie is riding in the third car.
(E) The first car is empty.

Question 3
Which one of the following statements CANNOT be true?
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(A) Neither Tom nor Gwen is sharing a car with another rider
(B) Neither Mark nor Jack is sharing a car with another rider.
(C) Tom is sharing a car, and Jack is sharing a car.
(D) Gwen is sharing a car, and Paul is sharing a car.
(E) Tom is sharing a car, and Gwen is sharing a car.

Question 4
If Paul is riding in the second car, how many different combinations of riders are possible for the third car?
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(A) one
(B) two
(C) three
(D) four
(E) five

Question 5
Assume that a seventh rider is riding with Jack in the first car, but that all other rules remain unchanged. Which of the following is a complete and accurate list of the riders who might be riding in the fifth car?
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(A) Mark
(B) Gwen, Paul
(C) Tom, Laurie, Paul
(D) Tom, Laurie, Mark
(E) Tom, Paul, Laurie, Mark

Answers:

Question 1: D
Question 2: B
Question 3: A
Question 4: C
Question 5: D


edit: Fixed the time period . . . I gave you one too few minutes

[Xiaou2]

 
 Thats nothing like the reading comprehension test I remember.  Thats more of
a math / IQ test.

 Its not that I couldnt figure it out, I really dont find that kind of monotony
(work) fun.   Plus, my mind is more visual and artistic... When I read amusement
cars, I get wrapped up with picturing an actual scene, and what each persons
name listed, might look like.

 I did take an IQ test one day to see how I would do.  I was kinda surprised
actually, cause I thought I was gona be Gump level.  I did decent, tho,
Im not sure how real the test was.   Lots of geometric shapes which you had
to be able to find relationships with.

Ah well, I tested well and I'm a broke, bitter jackass so don't sweat it Xiaou2.

 This sentence makes little sense man.  Your economic and emotional content
do not really reflect level of intellect.
 
 One of my friends is bitter as hell, but I swear has a genius IQ.  His attitude
however is what defeats his potential though... and probably will end up
ruining his life.

 My uncle is worse... Hes was actually programming computers in ways
they were not designed to operate, back in the day... but instead of ending
up working for Atari/Apple... his Inflexibility, anger, poor attitudes,low
responsibility, and inibility to handle pressure... caused him to quit and
fix bowling machines instead.  Hes such a mess, that he cant go a day without
drinking half or maybe a full case of beer, every day.  His father, WAS a
genius... but drank himself to death at like age 33.  According to the stories,
he got into so many scraps due to his obnoxiousness, that he was lucky to
last that long without getting knifed or shot, in the bars he frequented.

 With me, its quite the opposite. I have very little to work with upstairs, but
my attitudes are reasonable, and so in many ways, Ive done much better in life.
At very least, Ive learned how to be 'content', (even though Im a poor and ugly
sob.     heh )  Which is far more important in life than pure mental brawn. 

 I can tell you, it wasnt easy.  When I was 6, I was so bitter, jealous, mean,
and downright evil.  I remember seeing this woman at the local diner, who was
smiling constantly.  I hated that.  I angerly and cynically spat out "Why do
you smile so much!"   She was shocked, and wasnt so happy after that bitter
bolt.  I probably didnt really smile happily (for Good reasons)  till about 6th grade...
when I finally started to break out of the dark clouds that I had created
around myself.

[shmokes]

 Thats nothing like the reading comprehension test I remember.  Thats more of
a math / IQ test.

 Its not that I couldnt figure it out, I really dont find that kind of monotony
(work) fun.   Plus, my mind is more visual and artistic... When I read amusement
cars, I get wrapped up with picturing an actual scene, and what each persons
name listed, might look like.

That's just an example of one of the three sections of the exam.  The funny thing is that that section is visual.  In fact the best way to do it is to draw a diagram (the test almost always gives everyone a name starting with a different letter so it's easy to think of them as like G, O, S, T and L or something . . . makes it easier to diagram.

One section is a reading comprehension section that is probably exactly what you expect.  You read a passage about some random topic, maybe a story about digging up dinosaur bones or a bit about Picasso's early life.  Then there are 6-8 multiple choice questions about what you just read.

The third section is logical reasoning.  There are two of these sections (I guess logical reasoning is twice as important as reading comprehension and analytical reasoning).  These questions test your ability to apply basic logic.  Examples (6 minutes to complete these 5 questions):

Question 1
People should be held accountable for their own behavior, and if holding people accountable for their own behavior entails capital punishment, then so be it. However, no person should be held accountable for behavior over which he or she had no control.
 
Which of the following is the most logical conclusion of the argument above?
 
(A) People should not be held accountable for the behavior of other people.
(B) People have control over their own behavior.
(C) People cannot control the behavior of other people.
(D) Behavior that cannot be controlled should not be punished.
(E) People have control over behavior that is subject to capital punishment.

Question 2
As any economist knows, healthy people pose less of an economic burden to society than unhealthy people. Not surprisingly, then, every dollar our state government spends on prenatal care for undocumented immigrants will save taxpayers of this state three dollars.
 
Which of the following, if true, would best explain why the statistics cited above are not surprising?
 
(A) The state's taxpayers pay for prenatal care of all immigrants.
(B) Babies born in this state to undocumented immigrant parents are entitled to infant care benefits from the state.
(C) State benefits for prenatal care serve to promote undocumented immigration.
(D) Babies whose mothers did not receive prenatal care are just as healthy as other babies.
(E) Pregnant women who do not receive prenatal care are more likely to experience health problems than other pregnant women.

Question 3
Beautiful beaches attract people, no doubt about it. Just look at this city's beautiful beaches, which are among the most overcrowded beaches in the state.
 
Which of the following exhibits a pattern of reasoning most similar to the one exhibited in the argument above?
 
(A) Moose and bear usually appear at the same drinking hole at the same time of day. Therefore, moose and bear must grow thirsty at about the same time.
(B) Children who are scolded severely tend to misbehave more often than other children. Hence if a child is not scolded severely that child is less likely to misbehave.
(C) This software program helps increase the work efficiency of its users. As a result, these users have more free time for other activities.
(D) During warm weather my dog suffers from fleas more so than during cooler weather. Therefore, fleas must thrive in a warm environment.
(E) Pesticides are known to cause anemia in some people. However, most anemic people live in regions where pesticides are not commonly used.

Question 4
Our school district should not spend its money on the new Verbal Advantage reading program. After all, our students get all the reading practice they need by studying history and science.
 
The argument above depends on which the following assumptions?
 
(A) The Verbal Advantage program would not help the students learn history and science.
(B) Other reading programs are just as effective but less expensive than the Verbal Advantage program.
(C) The Verbal Advantage program involves only reading practice.
(D) Teaching students history and science is more important than teaching them reading skills.
(E) The students can already read well enough to study history and science.

Question 5
Newspaper publishers earn their profits primarily from advertising revenue, and potential advertisers are more likely to advertise in newspapers with a wide circulation — a large number of subscribers and other readers — than with other newspapers. But the circulation of the newspaper that is currently the most profitable one in this city has steadily declined during the last two years, while the circulation of one of its competitors has steadily increased.
 
Any of the following, if true, would help explain the apparent discrepancy between the two statements above EXCEPT:
 
(A) Advertisers generally switch from the most widely circulated newspaper to another one only when the other one becomes the most widely circulated newspaper instead.
(B) Advertising rates charged by the most profitable newspaper in the city are significantly higher than those charged by its competitors.
(C) The most profitable newspaper in the city receives revenue from its subscribers as well from advertisers.
(D) The circulation of the most profitable newspaper in the city is still greater than than of any of its competitors.
(E) The number of newspapers competing viably with the most profitable newspaper in the city has increased during the last two years.

Answers:

Question 1: B
Question 2: E
Question 3: D
Question 4: C
Question 5: E