TOKN KB16 (Tiger-Heli's Testing Complete)

[Chris]

Interesting new additions to the TOKN eBay listings:

On Jun-23-05 at 00:28:22 PDT, seller added the following information:

We're the first company to provide you with this ground breaking multi-processor technology. Multi-processor means less scanning overhead and greater throughput which is a must for large scale game panels with multiple players. The scanning tasks are coordinated with Tokn Media's Smart Arbiter (tm) technology to guarantee equal access from any coordinated bank. Be sure to pick one up and get your game project going! We're now doubling your ghost protect confidence with a free diode pack and protection sw. Check in at the website. We have you covered. Bundled shipping for the polite. Today's Fun Fact: arcadecontrols message board user registration dates RandyT Feb 6, 2002 6:35pm Tiger-Heli Feb 6, 2002 12:54pm Random coincidence?


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On Jun-28-05 at 18:51:09 PDT, seller added the following information:

Pay no heed to this Tiger$Heli persona that is panicly obsessed with Tokn Media's line of encoders. He's been pushing KeyWiz products on arcadecontrols for years and pulled the exact same stunt with Ultimarcs I-PAC a few years ago.

[Tiger-Heli]

This gets better and better!!!!.

We're now doubling your ghost protect confidence with a free diode pack and protection sw. Check in at the website. We have you covered. Bundled shipping for the polite.

So he is now providing a free diode pack for his encoder that has no ghosting.  Nice gesture.

Today's Fun Fact: arcadecontrols message board user registration dates RandyT Feb 6, 2002 6:35pm Tiger-Heli Feb 6, 2002 12:54pm Random coincidence?

This one's good.  I've been on here since around 2000.  RandyT has probably been around a similar, but not equal amount of time.  Date new software was installed on BYOAC - um, I'm guessing Feb 6, 2002.  Message board registration dates for some 1,000 or so members - Feb 6, 2002, I'm guessing.  Random coincidence - hardly.  (I've been on the boards six hours longer than RandyT if it comes to bragging rights, though  )

Pay no heed to this Tiger$Heli persona that is panicly obsessed with Tokn Media's line of encoders. He's been pushing KeyWiz products on arcadecontrols for years and pulled the exact same stunt with Ultimarcs I-PAC a few years ago.

Clever using Tiger$Heli, so he can deny anything if he pushed it.  I didn't pull any stunts with anyone, nor am I panicly obsessed.  I reviewed it and tried to help some people out.  I have been recommended the KeyWiz b/c I think it's a great product.  I didn't do anything with the I-PAC except to point out the KeyWiz as an alternative when I thought it was appropriate.  The I-PAC at least works as advertised, and would be recommended over the KeyWiz if you really wanted USB or an active pass-thru, or EEPROM, or LED's.  Anyone can review my post history and verify any of this.

[KevSteele]

Heh...well, I can vouch that RandyT and TigerHeli aren't the same person (although both are very enthusiastic about the KeyWiz products!)

Love the fact that he's now adding diodes to double "your ghost protect confidence." I wonder what sort of software he's added to the mix, as well.

I just wish he'd been more open up front about the design and it's possible limitations, and also not kept insisting that there was no ghosting when there were three different people telling him they could easily reproduce it...

Kevin

[Tiger-Heli]

He made a typo, I've been on here since February 26 (just like Saint  ).  But no point expecting Mattp to let the facts interfere with a good conspiracy.

I just wish he'd been more open up front about the design and it's possible limitations, and also not kept insisting that there was no ghosting when there were three different people telling him they could easily reproduce it...

But if he did that, how could he get the newb's to pay $25 for them?   

[Chris]

What I don't understand is how diodes are supposed to allow simultaneous keypresses for keys that would ordinarily ghost or block?  Has anyone ever actually used diodes to get around ghosting and blocking successfully, or is it just theoretical?  Can you actually add diodes to a TOKN16 and get 16 simultaneous keypresses?

--Chris

[monkeybomb]

So he'll use your work and explanation on how to fix his product, but still be a jerk about it.  Why not just come out say thank you for the info and let everyone know that the product has a fix for the problems? He could easily get people on his side.

If tiger and Randy are the same, why on earth would Randy have explained to a competitor how to make his product better through the use of diodes.

[Tiger-Heli]

What I don't understand is how diodes are supposed to allow simultaneous keypresses for keys that would ordinarily ghost or block?

Read through this -
http://www.dribin.org/dave/keyboard/

Has anyone ever actually used diodes to get around ghosting and blocking successfully, or is it just theoretical?

Yes, has been done.  Works on the LPT Switch, and on the ButtonBox (www.surf.to/buttonbox).  KeyDog has mentioned that they can be used.  Works on early (pre 1989) keyboard hacks that don't use blocking.

Can you actually add diodes to a TOKN16 and get 16 simultaneous keypresses?

Haven't tried it, but I'm tempted to.  Theoretically it should work with no problems, but you're still paying more for a 16-input encoder than RandyT charges for a 32-input.  You just don't have to worry about ghosting.

[Tiger-Heli]

So he'll use your work and explanation on how to fix his product, but still be a jerk about it.  Why not just come out say thank you for the info and let everyone know that the product has a fix for the problems? He could easily get people on his side.

Too much negative info in my review for a simple thank-you (and too much anti-me stuff that he's posted before for him to save face and admit I'm right).

If tiger and Randy are the same, why on earth would Randy have explained to a competitor how to make his product better through the use of diodes.

Building Good Will???

[KevSteele]

If tiger and Randy are the same, why on earth would Randy have explained to a competitor how to make his product better through the use of diodes.

Building Good Will???

AHA! You admit it! You're Randy!

 

[Tiger-Heli]

If tiger and Randy are the same, why on earth would Randy have explained to a competitor how to make his product better through the use of diodes.

Building Good Will???

AHA! You admit it! You're Randy!

 

The better question is probably how I manage to tighten up the level of witty comments and sarcasm when I post as Randy and tone it down when I post as Tiger.

Please no one (not the NBA guy) take this too seriously.

[narf]

i bought one of these today before reading this and see it mentions diodes installed now to prevent ghosting anyone tested the newer ones

got it for $6.13 to possibly use in a basic cab

[Tiger-Heli]

I haven't tested the newer ones, but I did see that it has diodes on the board now, which should take care of the ghosting isssues.  Probably okay for a basic cab (for that price).

[narf]

cheers i got a free cab that would suit one of these things today perfect

[rovingmind]

I've got one still in its mailer un-used.  Might have to try the diodes out and make a 4-way single stick cab with it later.

must maintain focus. Must NOT start another project now.