Author Topic: There are just no words... I can't comprehend this.. (Read 5798 times)

jtslade · « **on:** December 16, 2009, 06:10:11 pm »

http://cgi.ebay.com/ULTIMATE-NEO-GEO-MULTI-GAME-VIDEO-GAME-OVER-110-GAMES_W0QQitemZ130351495491QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e598df943

Bobulus · « **Reply #1 on:** December 16, 2009, 06:28:47 pm »

In the item description, he offers to paint over the sideart if you request it.

Knave Jack · « **Reply #2 on:** December 16, 2009, 06:35:01 pm »

He needs to be dragged behind a truck for several miles over crushed glass and barbed wire. And then the really bad stuff will happen.

DJ_Izumi · « **Reply #3 on:** December 16, 2009, 06:37:12 pm »

Shouldn't a NeoGeo have four action buttons plus a start button?

jtslade · « **Reply #4 on:** December 16, 2009, 06:50:03 pm »

well buttons are kinda expensive. totally see why he stopped at three.

TOK · « **Reply #5 on:** December 16, 2009, 09:04:16 pm »

I don't think its so bad. None of the art hacked, original bezel. All it needs is a control panel and marquee to appear correct.

The thing I can't comprehend is wanting to play any Neo Geo game over Defender.

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #6 on:** December 16, 2009, 09:43:49 pm »

I'm diggin' the coin door.

Deadly · « **Reply #7 on:** December 16, 2009, 11:45:41 pm »

This is easily restorable back to a Defender so I say no harm no foul. In fact it's these types of conversions that I will say is well done. How many It's comparable to seeing a crapload of Donkey Kongs that were kit'ed with Rastan "a non Nintendo title" just as this is not an Atari title.

This kind of a thread suprises me simply because this site promotes using classic machines for MAME. Not just MAME'd but heavily laden with black paint that ruins any chance of using the original stenciled artwork. But these machines get a thumbs up?

Bottom line - you can't save them all.

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #8 on:** December 17, 2009, 01:10:57 am »

Quote from: Deadly on December 16, 2009, 11:45:41 pm

This is easily restorable back to a Defender so I say no harm no foul. In fact it's these types of conversions that I will say is well done.

Not bad on the outside.
But I'm sure to restore what may be missing on the inside would mean to destroy yet another machine. These parts have to come from somewhere.

Quote from: Deadly on December 16, 2009, 11:45:41 pm

How many It's comparable to seeing a crapload of Donkey Kongs that were kit'ed with Rastan "a non Nintendo title" just as this is not an ~~Atari~~ Williams title.

Quote from: Deadly on December 16, 2009, 11:45:41 pm

This kind of a thread suprises me simply because this site promotes using classic machines for MAME. Not just MAME'd but heavily laden with black paint that ruins any chance of using the original stenciled artwork. But these machines get a thumbs up?

I wouldn't say it "promotes" the conversion of classics to MAME...... but it does encourage the use of otherwise already hacked up classics that are generally beyond the scope of "restoring", as in nothing much original left to them to begin with from earlier JAMMA conversions, etc. (which is usually where the black paint comes in)

Quote from: Deadly on December 16, 2009, 11:45:41 pm

Bottom line - you can't save them all.

This is true.
But it sure would be nice to think we could.
Trust me, I have some hacked up hopeless cabinets I'm still debating on whether it's worth "restoring" them or not.

Encryptor · « **Reply #9 on:** December 17, 2009, 05:38:00 am »

Quote from: Deadly on December 16, 2009, 11:45:41 pm

This kind of a thread suprises me simply because this site promotes using classic machines for MAME.

I would have to disagree with this statement. This site promotes building your own machine. Hence the title BYOAC. Most members here highly discourage maming a classic unless it so far gone as to be not economically restorable or it has already been converted or mutilated and ruined for restoration.

Encryptor

DJ_Izumi · « **Reply #10 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:06:09 am »

There's still the fact that the CP only have three action buttons per player when a NeoGeo CP has four! D:

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #11 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:18:01 am »

Yeah no kidding. Most of those games listed NEED the 4th button...

Malenko · « **Reply #12 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:32:33 am »

I know WHY he did it though. he's using a 1 slot mobo with a bootleg cart. 1 slot mobo is jamma (kinda) he didnt bother wiring the fourth button, prolly because he doesnt know how or care. most likely, care. Also, that cab could be converted back.

Ginsu Victim · « **Reply #13 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:55:26 am »

Other than the fighting games, did any other Neo Geo games use all four? I can't think of any off the top of my head.

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #14 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:59:31 am »

The dodgeball game...

Ginsu Victim · « **Reply #15 on:** December 17, 2009, 10:23:27 am »

Quote from: HarumaN on December 17, 2009, 09:59:31 am

The dodgeball game...

(A) Shoot/Catch, (B) Pass/Dodge, (C) Jump, (D) Faint/Provoke

Yep, you're right. I always forget this game. (A-Z journey through MAME has me in the Ns)

Deadly · « **Reply #16 on:** December 17, 2009, 11:31:29 am »

Defender parts are every where - not hard to locate and are cheap. I will stand my ground and claim the shortage is not PCB's it is the lack of dedicated cabinets.And yes Williams not Atari

And I'll retract the word promote and instead use the word encourage. Yes the name may be BYOAC but there are countless threads showing MAME machines that were made out of Stargates, Jousts, Track and Fields to name just a few of course. And the fact is these machines get "Oh wow awesome, way to go, cool" which is that not encouragement? I'm not saying the owners didn;t do a nice job on the cabinet - just pointing out a fact. How often does a remark of "You couldn;t have found a crappy JAMMA cabinet to use - or you should've sold it to someone and found another cabinet". It's your cabinet and you have EVERY right to do what you want with it ... back to the "can't save em all" mindset.

And FWIW - my MAME cabinet is actually a Defender cabinet that came from an OP that had a crapload of cabinets refurbished and all originality was lost in the process making it generic. However what few original Defender parts that actually came with it were either donated to a needy person or sold on eBay.

Ginsu Victim · « **Reply #17 on:** December 17, 2009, 12:10:15 pm »

Quote from: Deadly on December 17, 2009, 11:31:29 am

MAME machines that were made out of Stargates, Jousts, Track and Fields to name just a few

Mine was a Track and Field, but there was nothing left of Track and Field when I got it (other than the tag inside, which is still there). I wish I hadn't painted it black, though.

Deadly · « **Reply #18 on:** December 17, 2009, 12:53:08 pm »

Quote from: Ginsu Victim on December 17, 2009, 12:10:15 pm

Quote from: Deadly on December 17, 2009, 11:31:29 am
MAME machines that were made out of Stargates, Jousts, Track and Fields to name just a few

Mine was a Track and Field, but there was nothing left of Track and Field when I got it (other than the tag inside, which is still there). I wish I hadn't painted it black, though.

No offense to you or anyone else my friend. I don't mean to come across as an ass ... I cherish our beloved classics and honestly, I believe with every fiber of my being that when a person paints over a stenciled cab the chances of that getting restored is not likely to happen. You have in essence assigned this machine to an early grave. Maybe not - it's just how I view this whole scenario.

Ginsu Victim · « **Reply #19 on:** December 17, 2009, 01:06:14 pm »

Quote from: Deadly on December 17, 2009, 12:53:08 pm

You have in essence assigned this machine to an early grave. Maybe not - it's just how I view this whole scenario.

Well, whoever Jamma'd this thing out and made it a Double Dribble is responsible for the early grave, not me. Also, the sideart wasn't a stencil.

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #20 on:** December 17, 2009, 02:11:27 pm »

You should see my hacked up - half assed JAMMA-tized used to be a VS. used to be a DK used to be a RadarScope red Nintendo cabinet that now also has a 25" monitor in it.
There ain't squat left in it Nintendo, might as well be an empty shell.
She ain't pretty that's for sure..... what to do, what to do ?

But it's a prime example of "how far is too far gone" ?
And what to do with it now ?

Quote from: Deadly on December 17, 2009, 12:53:08 pm

No offense to you or anyone else my friend. I don't mean to come across as an ass ...

Same here...... just another way of looking at thing I guess.
Or at least looking at what's in front of you and deciding what to do with it from there.

Namco · « **Reply #21 on:** December 17, 2009, 03:56:16 pm »

Quote from: Kevin Mullins on December 17, 2009, 02:11:27 pm

You should see my hacked up - half assed JAMMA-tized used to be a VS. used to be a DK used to be a RadarScope red Nintendo cabinet that now also has a 25" monitor in it.
There ain't squat left in it Nintendo, might as well be an empty shell.
She ain't pretty that's for sure..... what to do, what to do ?

But it's a prime example of "how far is too far gone" ?
And what to do with it now ?

Quote from: Deadly on December 17, 2009, 12:53:08 pm
No offense to you or anyone else my friend. I don't mean to come across as an ass ...
Same here...... just another way of looking at thing I guess.
Or at least looking at what's in front of you and deciding what to do with it from there.

It makes you think that at what point does it just become an empty shell of wood? Some would say that the Defender cabinet can be saved, but some would say that it is and always was just a shell of wood.

With a gutted cabinet, what's the point of restoring a hacked-up, painted-over, no-sign-of-the-original-electronics cabinet when you can get the blueprints form jakobud and the stencils from REDACTED?

Philosophy aside... that guy's nuts, order a Defender marquee and find a nice CP on ebay and fix that mess. !!!!!

(but I'm definitely digging the ~~Williams~~ Bally pinball coindoor

, that's a keeper!)

Ginsu Victim · « **Reply #22 on:** December 17, 2009, 04:03:55 pm »

Some of them came with the Williams pinball coindoor. My friend's Defender that was lost in the fire came with a Black Knight coindoor. Everything in the cab had matching serial numbers and the coin door matched the rest.

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #23 on:** December 17, 2009, 06:43:38 pm »

But take another look at THAT particular coin door from the original post.

Ginsu Victim · « **Reply #24 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:16:53 pm »

Meh....guess I don't know enough about pins to know what I'm supposed to notice (other than them being different).

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #25 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:24:20 pm »

Meh.... it's only worth like one million dollars.

Ok, maybe not.
See if this helps.

DJ_Izumi · « **Reply #26 on:** December 18, 2009, 01:41:49 am »

For those of us who are stupid and don't have the value of every piece of arcade hardware memorized and just want to relive those memories of being a kid without any quarters, pretending to play the machine, could you just tell us what about the coinbox makes it so remarkable or 'worth a million'? The guessing games arn't any fun here.

SirPeale · « **Reply #27 on:** December 18, 2009, 02:51:22 am »

Quote from: DJ_Izumi on December 18, 2009, 01:41:49 am

For those of us who are stupid and don't have the value of every piece of arcade hardware memorized and just want to relive those memories of being a kid without any quarters, pretending to play the machine, could you just tell us what about the coinbox makes it so remarkable or 'worth a million'? The guessing games arn't any fun here.

Bally door on a Williams game? I'm just guessing here.

Namco · « **Reply #28 on:** December 18, 2009, 04:22:55 am »

Aaah, I see, I see. Here's a Bally Centaur's coindoor:

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #29 on:** December 18, 2009, 11:46:07 am »

Quote from: DJ_Izumi on December 18, 2009, 01:41:49 am

could you just tell us what about the coinbox makes it so remarkable or 'worth a million'? The guessing games arn't any fun here.

Was just poking a bit of fun at an oddity I had noticed on that particular cab.
Yes, many of the earlier Williams Defenders came with Williams pinball coin doors when they first started cranking them out on the assembly line. The chrome/stainless doors which most of us had seen before and then they went to the generic black coin doors.
But it was odd to not only see a pinball door on this machine...... but a BALLY pinball door.
So it makes we wonder who/why someone had changed it or what the story was behind it being on this machine.
And it is yet another rather important piece that would have to be replaced in order to "restore" this one. Honestly, it looks fine, just not original is all.
Heck, maybe they did use these doors on some of the machines and I'm just not aware of it. But that would make it even that much more unusual and rare of a machine I would think.

Eh, was just something to chew on is all.

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #30 on:** December 18, 2009, 11:50:04 am »

Oh... and by the way, take a look at the side art.
Give ya three guesses what's going on there.

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #31 on:** December 19, 2009, 04:48:13 pm »

Nobody want to take a stab in the dark about the side art huh ?

Ginsu Victim · « **Reply #32 on:** December 19, 2009, 06:36:31 pm »

It's backwards, other than "Defender"

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #33 on:** December 20, 2009, 12:27:42 am »

Close..... very close.
(and you shouldn't be allowed in on this one goob)

Here's pics of the left and right side of the machine to compare.

Namco · « **Reply #34 on:** December 20, 2009, 02:53:31 am »

Here's one similar to our mystery cab:

But here's 3 with the stencil reversed:

I'm too dumb to figure this one out Kevin, lets just say Ginsu is right and call it a day.

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #35 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:06:11 am »

Quote from: Namco on December 20, 2009, 02:53:31 am

I'm too dumb to figure this one out Kevin, lets just say Ginsu is right and call it a day.

Eh... it's something I learned by sheer accident..... wish I knew the whole story/history behind it. One of the many little things that changed during the assembly line production, but never really got around to finding a particular batch of serial numbers or anything like that.

Here's a couple pics of three machines I had at one time when I noticed it.
What you'll see is that it is not only "reversed", it's actually the same stencil as what what used on the left side. (which is why it appears to just be reversed) The right side stencil on the other two is actually a different stencil all together. The only thing the same is the "Defender" section. You'll also note a totally different shade of paint was used on these "odd" machines. Most people that see this odd one thinks it was repainted or something, I can confirm it was not. And after seeing more of them, I'm convinced they came off the line this way.
There are construction differences too. Some have more plywood and others had more particle wood. I forget which had what now.

Namco · « **Reply #36 on:** December 20, 2009, 04:24:04 am »

Nice. I get it. It looks like at one point, they had two different stencils, one for each side which accounts for our oddball. But at some point they used one stencil for both sides.

This animated gif shows that clearly the middle one has two different stencils while the end ones use one stencil only.

TOK · « **Reply #37 on:** December 20, 2009, 07:11:04 am »

Pretty neat. I bet they were just slapping these together as quickly as possible. If a stencil got messed up and they were able to flip one to get some machines off the line -good enough.

My Bally/Midway cab's crossmembers and stringers are made from chopped up pieces of other Bally cabs.

telengard · « **Reply #38 on:** December 20, 2009, 11:33:07 am »

Quote from: TOK on December 16, 2009, 09:04:16 pm

I don't think its so bad. None of the art hacked, original bezel. All it needs is a control panel and marquee to appear correct.

The thing I can't comprehend is wanting to play any Neo Geo game over Defender.

Ditto. The owner could easily "repent" and fix that bad boy up.

~telengard


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