Author Topic: New Tron Movie (Read 4705 times)

Dizzle · « **on:** July 30, 2009, 11:43:46 am »

Is this old news, or are you guys just holding out on me?

(Sorry I didn't embed the video... I'm posting this from a cell phone.)

garnerb350 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 30, 2009, 11:51:05 am »

Yeap supposed to be good...Somehow Flynn son returns to save his father and when he enter the "computer world" he realizes that his father has become this...

Benevolance · « **Reply #2 on:** July 30, 2009, 01:23:46 pm »

I'm just happy the studios changed the working title to something pronounceable.

clok · « **Reply #3 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:20:05 pm »

Guys got staying power, the Tron guy has been around a loooong time. And he is cooler, not a light cycle but an Aero-plane

Garner, where did you get your Icon? it looks like its from a game, but (being a comic book fan, I know that picture is from an old Creepy or Erie (horror comics from the late 60's early 70's) I think its a bernie wrightson (artists name).. I recently moved so all my comics are packed away or I would look

I'm wondering if some video game stole (or paid) to use that Image in a game?

javeryh · « **Reply #4 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:27:26 pm »

That is someone's interpretation of Pac-Man (yellow dude and 4 ghosts - check out the shape of his helmet). I think I saw it on a t-shirt originally...

urbecrisch · « **Reply #5 on:** July 30, 2009, 10:23:54 pm »

Quote from: garnerb350 on July 30, 2009, 11:51:05 am

Yeap supposed to be good...Somehow Flynn son returns to save his father and when he enter the "computer world" he realizes that his father has become this...

OMFG! I almost pissed myself when I saw that PIC. Funny Sh**t!

Aceldamor · « **Reply #6 on:** July 31, 2009, 01:36:59 pm »

He's actually selling that plane...gratz poor economy, Tronman has to hawk his ride.

Ummon · « **Reply #7 on:** July 31, 2009, 10:39:05 pm »

Hmm. I don't recall seeing that last bit with Flynn. Bridges doesn't tend to do stupid movies, so I guess we'll see.

arzoo · « **Reply #8 on:** August 01, 2009, 08:48:24 am »

I am really looking forward to this movie! It looks like they did an amazing job reinventing the Tron world using today's high-tech movie fx's and cgi - but it's still totally authentic!

Gandalf42 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 02, 2009, 10:58:46 pm »

A buddy of mine is actually friends with Tron guy.. He apparently is one of the last remaining IBM Hercules programmers around. Go figure.

Anyway the movie looks like it's shaping up real well... it's just a shame it took them this long to get around to working on it.

Ummon · « **Reply #10 on:** August 03, 2009, 12:20:23 am »

Quote from: Gandalf42 on August 02, 2009, 10:58:46 pm

A buddy of mine is actually friends with Tron guy.. He apparently is one of the last remaining IBM Hercules programmers around. Go figure.

Anyway the movie looks like it's shaping up real well... it's just a shame it took them this long to get around to working on it.

Na, dude, it took this long for the money to come round. Tron wasn't by any means even a summer blockbuster.

RayB · « **Reply #11 on:** August 04, 2009, 01:03:07 pm »

What happened to turning 90' ?

shardian · « **Reply #12 on:** August 04, 2009, 02:47:08 pm »

Tron the movie sucked. I hate to burst any rose colored glass bubbles, but it's the truth. Disney had to wait around until the 80's retro popularity reached a pop culture peak before acting on a Tron sequel.

Flake · « **Reply #13 on:** August 04, 2009, 04:19:36 pm »

Quote from: shardian on August 04, 2009, 02:47:08 pm

Tron the movie sucked. I hate to burst any rose colored glass bubbles, but it's the truth. Disney had to wait around until the 80's retro popularity reached a pop culture peak before acting on a Tron sequel.

How dare you.....Tron was awesome. At least now I have a basis for evaluating your opinion on other movies.

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 04, 2009, 04:40:07 pm »

Wrong answer.

Tron is da Bomb.

However, I dont have high expectations for the remake. I doubt it will be as witty &
well thought out, nor interesting & fun as the original. But hey... ya never know...

I still fire up Tron on Dvd every now and then. Great movie. Way ahead of its time.

shardian · « **Reply #15 on:** August 04, 2009, 04:41:11 pm »

Tron the idea: Excellent
Tron the advanced CGI: Great
Tron the arcade game: Good looking
Tron the story: not so great

My wife was super excited to see the movie since she remembered the game (her brother had on in the early 90's), and it is prominent on the show, Chuck. She was pretty underwhelmed and mostly bored. I had to agree with her. I hadn't seen it since I was a kid. It did not age well. It was a big flop when it came out too.

Sorry, but the vast majority of the public (and many hobbyists) side with me.

Flake · « **Reply #16 on:** August 04, 2009, 04:50:03 pm »

Quote from: shardian on August 04, 2009, 04:41:11 pm

Sorry, but the vast majority of the public (and many hobbyists) side with me.

I'm sure you wouldnt like to hear about what I think of the "vast majority". Just because a movie isnt commercially successful doesnt mean it wasnt good. Its sad to say but most people are just plain idiots.

I can cite countless of examples of movies that were commercial successes and not very good movies......say almost every Wil Smith movie ever made.

And the story was awesome.......program.

shardian · « **Reply #17 on:** August 04, 2009, 04:53:58 pm »

Transformers: The Movie was a complete and utter pile of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. That is all.

I have to assume that if you think Tron is a masterpiece, then you will also think the same of Transformers.

Flake · « **Reply #18 on:** August 04, 2009, 05:00:42 pm »

I give Transformers a C. I assume you are talking about the recent version, and no not the sequel.

I give Tron an A-/B+, considering the year it was released and the types of movies being released around that time.

I'm not sure you can really compare the two. Transformers is simply an eye candy movie that just tries to keep your attention with explosions, car chases and hot chics. Tron isnt that type of movie. Not really even sure why you decided to try and compare them......

Anyway, to each their own I suppose.

RayB · « **Reply #19 on:** August 04, 2009, 05:31:38 pm »

I tried to watch Tron when I was 14. It bored me to tears asides from some of the visuals.
Would I appreciate it more as an adult?

Aceldamor · « **Reply #20 on:** August 04, 2009, 05:35:46 pm »

I would have to agree..lots of films have had better success after brief lives in theaters....insert any Bruce Campbell title here.

I think part of the problem with the original Tron, was it was kinda ahead of it's time, they attempted to try to bring the general public into it with the tease of "video games", but even then only appealed to "Arcadians".

As for the relevance to a "pop culture bubble"...they just want a piece of what Marvel, DC, the Tolkien Estate, Hasbro, or any other "Pop Culture" business is doing at the moment, I can't blame them in the slightest.

Hell, Disney themselves are "going back" and releasing the first 2d animation film in over 10 years..

I personally loved the film..it was the movie that got me hooked into 3d animation, and the reason I am finally following my aspirations to become a 3d animator now.

Don't worry Sharidan, your parachute pants and 20 zipper denim jacket will come back too.

(Yes, I am kidding...I wore the hell outa those back in the day!!)

(Edit for spelling)

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 04, 2009, 10:12:44 pm »

I wouldnt even bother watching Transformers. What a joke. The old cartoon series was
Ok.. but thats about it. The toys were fun though.

Tron was a little slow moving. However, there is great genius throughout the whole thing.
Little subtle things like how things in the pc world translated into physical counterparts.
Actual electrical / pc terminology etc.

Concepts like energy being liquid... and programs (humans) needing that to perform.
Life and death vs Deletions (de-rez), electical time vs human time. Concept of
teleportation - Into the pc as an AI program representation. Purely Brilliant!
Impossible at the time, and even now... but its getting scary how close to reality its
really getting. (aka - Matrix)

Concepts of computer games being reality. Consciousness on another level.
Religious concepts (god / users).

Mild humor such as the "BIT". (which again brilliantly responded with only
yes or no (1 or 0) )

The coolest? concept ever: Light Cycles scene. Great game concepts like Tron
Discs, and even the Recognizer tank game.

Great visual effects - use of glowing suits to represent the energy flowing within
the program itself. Low energy = life fading as brightness dims...

The tank game scene in which the guy asks if he could merge with that type of
memory. Just amazingly well thought out.

Many of Todays movies do not have a glimpse of depth like this. They are all
explosions and slow motion scenes. The story is lame, and not well thought out...
if there even is one at all. There are no subtle intricacies, nor a real reason to
ever watch them again.

Tron is a movie that appears to be only appreciated by people who have an
inner understanding of computers / electronics... as well as apreciates a great actor
like Jeff Bridges... who has that positive, funny, quirky vibe about him.

Youd have to pay me to watch a movie like Transformers. (horrible CGI, blury action,
no story, kiddie humor & intelligence...) Yet heck... Id go to the
theater and pay to see the original Tron again. Most especially if it was transformed
into full stereoscopic 3d on an Imax screen.

Ummon · « **Reply #22 on:** August 04, 2009, 10:41:13 pm »

....more simply, Tron was a well-executed, light SF flick. It's not a Pac-Man, nor is it in any way an Ooliboochu. It's like a Donkey Kong Jr.

saint · « **Reply #23 on:** August 04, 2009, 10:49:53 pm »

Quote from: shardian on August 04, 2009, 04:41:11 pm

Sorry, but the vast majority of the public (and many hobbyists) side with me.

68% on Rotten Tomatos, 4/5 stars on Amazon, 6.6/10 on IMDB.

I liked Tron all around

JayB · « **Reply #24 on:** August 05, 2009, 06:25:43 am »

I think you need to be in the right mood to sit down and watch Tron. It definitely has an appeal about it and was hugely hyped on its release. Largely down to them advertising it as all computer generated which wasn't exactly true.

The light cycles play a big part albeit a small portion of the film which most enjoy it for. The first portion is slow moving and at the time most of the general public wouldn't have had a clue what was what haha

Have been looking forward to the sequel for years since it was first rumoured. I think the timing is right and cgi will nil it now compared to if it was released in the 90's.

Daft Punk are doing the soundtrack which should be very good.

shardian · « **Reply #25 on:** August 05, 2009, 08:13:27 am »

Quote from: Flake on August 04, 2009, 05:00:42 pm

I give Transformers a C. I assume you are talking about the recent version, and no not the sequel.

I give Tron an A-/B+, considering the year it was released and the types of movies being released around that time.

I'm not sure you can really compare the two. Transformers is simply an eye candy movie that just tries to keep your attention with explosions, car chases and hot chics. Tron isnt that type of movie. Not really even sure why you decided to try and compare them......

Anyway, to each their own I suppose.

I was talking about the animated movie in the 80's. You know, the one in which they killed off all the stars and let the "c" team handle the workload.

patrickl · « **Reply #26 on:** August 05, 2009, 08:17:53 am »

What's wrong with TRON? I thought it was a solid movie. Not the "best movie evar", but still. Quite ahead of it's time.

mrbones · « **Reply #27 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:35:55 am »

I love Tron. Then and now, it's awesome. It's one of my favorite scifi movies and is one of a kind. The special effects still look great today.

isucamper · « **Reply #28 on:** August 05, 2009, 01:09:41 pm »

Effects wise, TRON was a huge accomplishment at the time it came out. No other movie had ever integrated computer effects with live action in that way, much less rendered 3D effects. It was decades ahead of it's time. They actually contracted 4 seperated companies to render the effects in time for release (I listened to the commentary track).

As far as the actualy movie goes, it's a matter of taste. I find it absolutely charming. It totally holds up today. If you are a fan of classic games, I don't see how you can't like it. There's a lot of imagination in there as to what those games would have actually looked like from the inside... if such a concept existed.

PS: If we're judging a movie's quality by their success at the box office, then Titanic is the greatest film ever made, and probably will be for quite a long time. There's a reason people remember TRON 25 years later, cause it's got that certain... something.

wp34 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:13:45 pm »

I'm guessing this could be an age thing as well. I was 14 when I saw Tron for the first time. Flynn is a geek who owns his own arcade, writes video games and gets babes. He uses his knowledge of computers to save the day. What a role model for a teenager.

It holds up for me today but I understand those who don't "get it." My kids really didn't care for Tron until the characters showed up in Kingdom Hearts II.

geocab · « **Reply #30 on:** August 05, 2009, 11:55:16 pm »

You guys are making me want to brush the dust off of my DVD and watch Tron again. I've been holding out for a hi-def release.

What's amazing about the CGI is that they didn't see what they were programming in realtime like nowadays, they had to type in a bunch of calculations to make what we saw. Cool stuff.

Xiaou, I can see how one doesn't like Transformers, but to say the CGI is horrible? I have to disagree on that one.

brandon · « **Reply #31 on:** August 06, 2009, 12:03:54 pm »

Tron was decent.. better than Transformers by leap and bounds

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/tr_review_transformers_revenge_of_the_fallen.php

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php

isucamper · « **Reply #32 on:** August 06, 2009, 12:41:34 pm »

Quote from: geocab on August 05, 2009, 11:55:16 pm

Xiaou, I can see how one doesn't like Transformers, but to say the CGI is horrible? I have to disagree on that one.

The actual effects are pretty amazing, but I hated the design of the Transformers. They were so ambigous, I couldn't tell them apart. To me, that pretty negatively effected the CG as a whole.

For the record, I have an intense... intense hatred of the Transformers movie (and Michael Bay). I never saw the second one.

brandon · « **Reply #33 on:** August 06, 2009, 03:31:37 pm »

Quote from: isucamper on August 06, 2009, 12:41:34 pm

Quote from: geocab on August 05, 2009, 11:55:16 pm
Xiaou, I can see how one doesn't like Transformers, but to say the CGI is horrible? I have to disagree on that one.

The actual effects are pretty amazing, but I hated the design of the Transformers. They were so ambigous, I couldn't tell them apart. To me, that pretty negatively effected the CG as a whole.

For the record, I have an intense... intense hatred of the Transformers movie (and Michael Bay). I never saw the second one.

Exactly! All the decepticons looked the same in robot form.. Just one bug mass of grey metal flying around. Combine that with shaky camera and you can't tell what they hell is going on!

PS. who changed my avatar?

garnerb350 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 06, 2009, 04:12:20 pm »

Quote from: brandon on August 06, 2009, 03:31:37 pm

Quote from: isucamper on August 06, 2009, 12:41:34 pm
Quote from: geocab on August 05, 2009, 11:55:16 pm
Xiaou, I can see how one doesn't like Transformers, but to say the CGI is horrible? I have to disagree on that one.

The actual effects are pretty amazing, but I hated the design of the Transformers. They were so ambigous, I couldn't tell them apart. To me, that pretty negatively effected the CG as a whole.

For the record, I have an intense... intense hatred of the Transformers movie (and Michael Bay). I never saw the second one.

Exactly! All the decepticons looked the same in robot form.. Just one bug mass of grey metal flying around. Combine that with shaky camera and you can't tell what they hell is going on!

PS. who changed my avatar?

I agree...I couldnt tell the difference of the Autobots and/or Decepticons or the junkyard scene at the end of Nightmare of Elm street 3: Dream Warriors...

Just one big walking junkyard...

brandon · « **Reply #35 on:** August 06, 2009, 04:22:50 pm »

Quote from: garnerb350 on August 06, 2009, 04:12:20 pm

I agree...I couldnt tell the difference of the Autobots and/or Decepticons or the junkyard scene at the end of Nightmare of Elm street 3: Dream Warriors...

Just one big walking junkyard...

when I hear people talk about how great the Transformers movies were I just hear Homer Simpson saying "Ooh... Shiny!"

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 06, 2009, 05:00:14 pm »

Quote

I couldn't tell them apart

I agree. I barely could tell what any of them were. The faces were horrible looking,
there seemed to be way too many useless details on each bot, and the rendering
was too contrasted.

Quote

Just one bug mass of grey metal flying around. Combine that with shaky camera and you can't tell what they hell is going on!

I also agree.

Recipe: Add a 30min of weird moving dark colored blobs, 15 min of shaking / fast
camera pans, and 1hr of Filler material, ...and bam! .. you have digital MUD.

When you watch the cartoons, you can actually make out the bots easily. You can
also easily tell what actions they are making.

And when you watch a decent films car driving scene... you can see the cars clear actions, make out which cars are which.

Yet the Transformer movie? You can barely make out anything.

It also looked as if it was the same digital modeler / artists? who made the new
StarTrek movie's "Baddie Ship". The ship that looked like a porcupines rear.
Very unrealistic, complex for the sake of being complex, ugly and purely pathetic.
Absolutely horrible designs.

And even from the preview, you can tell there just isnt that same charm the
cartoons had: The same personality and emotional connection that came from the
original voice actors + decent (though very unrealistic) writing.

Robots fighting / Transforming isnt really too exciting. It was more about
the characters various personalities that carried the toon to success. Pull up a
youtube cartoon clip, minimize it and just listen to the episode. Then re-start it,
turn off the sound... and watch the animation only.

geocab · « **Reply #37 on:** August 06, 2009, 06:53:45 pm »

I wasn't arguing about the quality of the movie itself. I liked it, but more because of my love for home theater than the movie actually being good. The sound and visuals are fantastic, especially in hi-def. I don't have a problem making out who is who watching the first one, but the second was absolutely terrible. I agree about the shaky cam BS that's prevelant in a lot of today's films, not just MB flicks, useless and takes the viewer out of the movie.

Your opinions on the bland designs are valid too, the only one I really liked was Optimus Prime. But, I thought the CGI brought out the details, even if they were added unnecessarily, quite well. And I thought the robots blended really well with the live action.

brandon · « **Reply #38 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:17:58 pm »

Quote from: geocab on August 06, 2009, 06:53:45 pm

I wasn't arguing about the quality of the movie itself. I liked it, but more because of my love for home theater than the movie actually being good. The sound and visuals are fantastic, especially in hi-def. I don't have a problem making out who is who watching the first one, but the second was absolutely terrible. I agree about the shaky cam BS that's prevelant in a lot of today's films, not just MB flicks, useless and takes the viewer out of the movie.

Your opinions on the bland designs are valid too, the only one I really liked was Optimus Prime. But, I thought the CGI brought out the details, even if they were added unnecessarily, quite well. And I thought the robots blended really well with the live action.

Optimus was the only one worth a damn.. Bumblebee would've been ok design wise. but I hated his character. He was a cross between a drooling lap dog and Herbie the Lovebug. Why he kept losing his voice is beyond me.. Does anyone else remember transformers in the cartoons urinating, crying or vomiting at any point? I swear, its like the cartoon took itself more seriously and aimed at a more mature audience than the movie did. Knowing full well that MOST people who have a fond memory of the show are well into adulthood.. Even still, the cartoon was still more "kid friendly" without the drug references, racial stereotypes, or sex and drug references.. What an EPIC FAIL... I can't wait for Thundercats!!


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