Author Topic: arcadevga and d9200 - problematic resolutions - please help! (Read 2145 times)

zmartin34 · « **on:** July 14, 2009, 11:16:22 pm »

Hello; hoping you folks can help me here. I have a WG D9200 with an arcadevga v2 card hooked to a vista x64 machine running vmame64. Install of the arcadevga goes well and most resolutions seem to be stable except for a couple.

The one that's really got me and where I want to start is the 392x240. Every time I enable, whether in Mame or win desktop; the screen sporadically goes to black (for a second or two and then comes back and repeats). This is the ONLY res that this happens with. There is no pattern to it at all.

This has got me stumped big time! Please help, thanks in advance!

zmartin34 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:32:39 am »

Anyone? Most likely the monitor or the card? Should this be in a dif section? need a place to start thanks.

Epyx · « **Reply #2 on:** July 15, 2009, 11:55:55 am »

Hmmm I have the D9800 and it runs fine at this resolution (essentially same monitor as you). I would contact WG support, they are pretty good with issues like this (not necessarily the first person you speak to but the technicians themselves are knowledgeable).

Did you also install the Tri-synch utility from the Ultimarc website? It gives you fantastic non-interlaced 640x480 and 800x600 (no flickering). If not I highly recommend it.

zmartin34 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 15, 2009, 03:33:39 pm »

Thanks and yes I have installed the AVGA Trisync utility. 640x480 and 800x600 look great as you said.

Alright, I'll google Wells Gardner tech support and give them a shout.

Other thoughts appreciated.

zmartin34 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 16, 2009, 11:46:06 am »

Ok well called into WG and talked with someone in support. He basically just read the resolutions off of the pdf spec sheet posted to the internet and told me that 392x240 was not supported; no help at all unfortunately.

As a side note; which resolutions are you folks using for the Mortal Kombat games? When I use 401x256 I get a shaky screen w/ a very small picture. When I use 400x256 I get a much larger pic that looks great but tears. What gives? I'm trying to determine whether the other res's are right or whether I have a much bigger prob.

I've searched ---my bottom--- off and nothing; this is driving me nuts!

Epyx · « **Reply #5 on:** July 16, 2009, 12:18:29 pm »

When you use 401 X 256 for Mortal Kombat, check the following in that games properties:

Do you have a checkmark on Switch Resolutions to Fit? Or are you manually setting the screen there to 401x256?

392x240 should be supported on the D9200, I know it is on the D9800.

I will confirm my MK settings when I get home tonight and let you know how I have it configured.

zmartin34 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:18:53 pm »

Thank you Epyx. I'll wait to hear from you and duplicate your settings for that MK2. If I have issues there then I have bigger problems but at least I know what I'm up against.

What confused me was that Ultimarc states that 401x256 is the same as 400x256 only without the windows applied filter. Yet on my setup these two do not produce the same size picture and as stated the 401 shimmers pretty ugly.

FYI, I'm using vmame64 binary so I don't have check boxes but I do have .ini files for each game which I'm assuming will work if I need to set 'fit resolution'?

zmartin34 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:22:35 pm »

May be a silly question but can I hook up a regular CRT PC monitor to my cab to see if it acts the same way as my arcade monitor or are they not capable?

Epyx · « **Reply #8 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:40:22 pm »

Likely not capable as the MK mode is a 25khz mode and the pc monitor you have is likely a 31khz monitor.

zmartin34 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 16, 2009, 02:35:51 pm »

Quote from: Epyx on July 16, 2009, 01:40:22 pm

Likely not capable as the MK mode is a 25khz mode and the pc monitor you have is likely a 31khz monitor.

What about the 392x240. Could I hook up a PC (old CRT) monitor and see if the screen flashes black like on the arcade monitor?

zmartin34 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 16, 2009, 07:47:59 pm »

I'm starting to think this thing is completely driver related. I just printed out ultimarcs resolutions for the avga2 and noticed a number of discrepancies compared to the ones on my system.

First off, all of ultimarcs **1 x nnn are **0 x nnn on my system (ie the ultimarc variants of the filtered resolutions are not present and instead are replaced by the normal ones)

Next, i am missing resolutions 352 x 264, 512 x 384, 321 x 200 and 488 x 384 altogether.

I have uninstalled and reinstalled several times throughout this thing. How would I go about purging ALL prior installs thoroughly so I can reinstall fresh? Uninstall prob leaves some stuff behind.

Mods: would you mind moving this to the proper section? Thank you.

zmartin34 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 16, 2009, 08:31:09 pm »

zmartin34 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 16, 2009, 08:31:49 pm »

Epyx · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2009, 10:52:53 am »

I would use driver sweeper to ensure everything is uninstalled. Here is an excellent website that goes through a very thorough process:

http://www.playtool.com/pages/uninstallgraphics/uninstall.html

zmartin34 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2009, 11:00:40 am »

Thx Epyx. Any info on how you setup Mk? Andy notified me that in vista 400x256 is the correct res; its not called 401x256 like on the other platforms. Prob is when I use that res (400x256) its looks fantastic but I end up with screen tearing in MK2. Thoughts?

Epyx · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2009, 11:27:07 am »

Yes sorry that was the main reason I was going to reply then got sidetracked with your driver frustration

What Andy stated is correct. The screen tearing is a little tricky because while you can use Vsync you will get issues with Music and SFX if they are refreshing at a diff. rate (Ie vsync at 60hz game at 55hz). You are using the Vmame64 .ini version of Mame so not sure what it offers but in my versions I have:

Triple Buffering (-triplebuffer on yours I believe)
Sync to Monitor Refresh (sync to monitor refresh=on)
Wait for vertical Sync (-waitforsync)

Make sure you have your cards vsync driver settings turned off...not sure if you also installed the Catalyst control center etc

Try the Sync to Monitor refresh setting in Vmame64 and see if that does the trick.

zmartin34 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 17, 2009, 01:15:27 pm »

Will do and thank you!

zmartin34 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 17, 2009, 03:43:33 pm »

Well I'm happy to report that Andy tweaked the drivers and now I'm up and running with Vista x64 and the ArcadeVGA like a champion. Thank you to Andy at Ultimarc and Epyx for taking the time to help

Epyx, I havn't had a chance to try your suggestion to synctomonitor but I surely will and will report back.

zmartin34 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 17, 2009, 11:15:14 pm »

Well I looked for the synctomonitor but did not see it. So I enable 'waitforvsync' and tripplebuffer but no dice game still laggy/choppy when scrolling.

Then disabled throttle and set the speed to 0.01 (cause othewise the games would haul ass speed wise) and was finally able to get a good amooth picture. then upon trying the games further reazlied that i no longer have sound after I disabled throttle.

Not sure... about this

Epyx · « **Reply #19 on:** July 18, 2009, 01:41:55 am »

Hmmm have you thought about trying the regular windows version of Mame just to compare? Would be interesting to note...

zmartin34 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 18, 2009, 08:53:09 am »

I will give that a shot for sure.

I'll prob report back in the 'software' section if I have issues.


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